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Title: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: lanux128 on August 10, 2011, 09:45 AM
"Anonymous" have scheduled Operation Facebook on Nov 5th 2011, when they plan "delete" Facebook. seems like a case of setting their bars lower..  :-\


• Source: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/if_anonymous_kills_facebook_who_will_tend_farms
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: tomos on August 10, 2011, 10:25 AM
Wow, they got big heads :huh:

It all seems a bit gratuitious, I won't miss it though if it does die.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Renegade on August 10, 2011, 10:45 AM
Well, I use Facebook daily, and like it, but I can see their point.

I'll look forward to seeing what happens.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: rgdot on August 10, 2011, 11:14 AM
Announcing something like this months in advance is funny and nuts at the same time
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 10, 2011, 11:54 AM
Announcing something like this months in advance is funny and nuts at the same time
-rgdot (August 10, 2011, 11:14 AM)

It may get a rise out of some people in advance however. Which is a small 'win' in the event they can't make good on their promise to shut FB down.

Ah...little children and their toys. :-\

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Shades on August 10, 2011, 11:58 AM
"Remember, remember...the fifth of November" - from the movie 'V for Vendetta (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/)'.

Likely they used it for inspiration. Good (enough) movie at least  :)

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 10, 2011, 12:25 PM
Kind of a shame all the good people that will get 'punished' (and all the social advocacy and charitable activity that will get knocked offline) if they do pull it off.

I always have to admire self-appointed champions who act as judge, jury, and executioner.

In that respect, they behave much like most governments - except there isn't even the possibility they're acting with the consent of the governed.

But I guess that's being a little too nit-picking since they're answering to a "higher truth," isn't it? :-\

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Renegade on August 10, 2011, 12:28 PM
"Remember, remember...the fifth of November" - from the movie 'V for Vendetta (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/)'.

Likely they used it for inspiration. Good (enough) movie at least  :)
-Shades (August 10, 2011, 11:58 AM)

Good to bring that up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

Makes it all the more important... And all the more serious...
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Renegade on August 10, 2011, 12:31 PM
In that respect, they behave much like most governments - except there isn't even the possibility they're acting with the consent of the governed.
-40hz (August 10, 2011, 12:25 PM)

Ummm... And governments act how? :P :D

In the best interests of the people?

Please don't say yes, as I'll laugh myself into a vomiting hysteria.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 10, 2011, 12:40 PM
In that respect, they behave much like most governments - except there isn't even the possibility they're acting with the consent of the governed.
-40hz (August 10, 2011, 12:25 PM)

Ummm... And governments act how? :P :D

In the best interests of the people?

Please don't say yes, as I'll laugh myself into a vomiting hysteria.
-Renegade (August 10, 2011, 12:31 PM)

No need to puke. All I'm saying is they're assuming authority to act as judge, jury, and executioner. Just like the government they claim to despise does.

How did that line at the end of Orwell's Animal Farm go? Let's look it up:

"No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

 :)

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Renegade on August 10, 2011, 01:33 PM
In that respect, they behave much like most governments - except there isn't even the possibility they're acting with the consent of the governed.
-40hz (August 10, 2011, 12:25 PM)

Ummm... And governments act how? :P :D

In the best interests of the people?

Please don't say yes, as I'll laugh myself into a vomiting hysteria.
-Renegade (August 10, 2011, 12:31 PM)

No need to puke. All I'm saying is they're assuming authority to act as judge, jury, and executioner. Just like the government they claim to despise does.

How did that line at the end of Orwell's Animal Farm go? Let's look it up:

"No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

 :)
-40hz (August 10, 2011, 12:40 PM)

Maybe for this thread, and maybe for another... But very ranty...
There is a very big difference between the governors and the governed. To hold them to the same standards is nuts.

Why should the government be held blameless? The current governments in the west act as "judge, jury, and executioner" anyways. What's the difference? We KNOW that our current governments are f**king us up the tarhole. Could it be worse? No. It really couldn't. They CONTINUALLY limp from one crisis to the next. They're utterly incompetent. In any sane society we'd execute them and be done with it, then move on to some semblance of sanity.

The current systems have failed. Utterly. Completely.

We can't go from one crisis to the next and claim any remote semblance of competence. The world economy is a complete f**king shambles. DEBT IS NOT A STRATEGY!

There isn't a company on the planet that would put up with this level of incompetence and idiocy without firing everyone! Nobody is that stupid... Except for the masses... They'll take it up the tarhole again and again and again and again... Or will they?

And when they get fed up? What do we call them?

Cowards?

Terrorists?

Thugs?

Criminals?

What did people expect? Force people's hands, and then demand they be docile while they get raped? F**k that.

This is NOT about the MICRO-PICTURE. This is about the MACRO-PICTURE.



I trust Anonymous more than any politician. Have you ever known a politician to tell the truth? Fat chance.


Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: wraith808 on August 10, 2011, 01:41 PM
Have you ever known a politician to tell the truth?
-Renegade (August 10, 2011, 01:33 PM)

Actually.. I have.  Not overly successful politicians, but yes.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Carol Haynes on August 10, 2011, 01:48 PM
Have you ever known a politician to tell the truth?
-Renegade (August 10, 2011, 01:33 PM)

Actually.. I have.  Not overly successful politicians, but yes.
-wraith808 (August 10, 2011, 01:41 PM)

I have too - they are usually sacked fairly promptly and disowned by their colleagues as "disloyal"
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: wraith808 on August 10, 2011, 01:54 PM
Have you ever known a politician to tell the truth?
-Renegade (August 10, 2011, 01:33 PM)

Actually.. I have.  Not overly successful politicians, but yes.
-wraith808 (August 10, 2011, 01:41 PM)

I have too - they are usually sacked fairly promptly and disowned by their colleagues as "disloyal"
-Carol Haynes (August 10, 2011, 01:48 PM)

I've noticed that the honesty of a politician is inversely proportionate to the amount of power he or she wields.  Of course, that's a maxim rather than a theory, but still...
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 10, 2011, 02:23 PM
I trust Anonymous more than any politician. Have you ever known a politician to tell the truth? Fat chance.
-Renegade (August 10, 2011, 01:33 PM)

I knew a total of two.  

One served one term. Didn't run for a second. The other served two terms and didn't run for a third. In both cases it was for medical reasons.

Draw whatever conclusions you will from that.  :)

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: fenixproductions on August 10, 2011, 03:54 PM
Two thoughts:
1. I hate when someone is doing something I've never asked for "for my good".
2. Can't think about anything good coming from: My name is Legion (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+5:9&version=NIV)

Both of these combined are TWTF for me :o
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: JavaJones on August 10, 2011, 04:04 PM
I for one can't wait to see what happens and would be thrilled to see them pull it off. For the lulz! I think it would be very funny indeed. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: vlastimil on August 10, 2011, 04:07 PM
I would not miss Facebook if it were gone. It has wasted so much time of so many people... very much like the real drugs do...

But I doubt Anonymous can really shut it down for more than a few hours.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: nosh on August 10, 2011, 04:43 PM
If they must do something to embarrass FB, I hope it's slightly more creative/entertaining than a DDOS. Facebook offers lots of possibilities. 8)

PS: Setting Guy Fawkes as everyone's profile pic would be pretty funny. NTM memorable.  ;D
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 10, 2011, 05:00 PM
They can only shut it down until the DNS registers the new nameservers/IP's - Pretty sure Facebook has plenty of both to play with if Anon do try anything.

Nobody is FORCED to use facebook, people have chosen to...so what they are doing makes zero sence.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Renegade on August 11, 2011, 05:25 PM
Nobody is FORCED to use facebook, people have chosen to...so what they are doing makes zero sence.
-Stephen66515 (August 10, 2011, 05:00 PM)

I'm not so sure.

I think it's more like setting a poisoned steak in front of a dog then blaming the dog for eating it.

People are more like animals that what we'd like to think people are. While we consider ourselves "sentient" and capable of "free thought", I think a lot of that is quite delusional.

People do not always behave rationally or in their own best interests. With the increasing complexity of determining what is in one's own best interest, it becomes less and less reasonable to say that people must be responsible for making decisions that are not in their own best interest as the sheer complexity of some issues is well beyond the ability of most people to understand.

Sure, the dog may understand that poison is bad, but connecting that faint smell with the overwhelming lure of a big, fat, juicy steak? Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 11, 2011, 07:05 PM
it becomes less and less reasonable to say that people must be responsible for making decisions that are not in their own best interest
-Renegade (August 11, 2011, 05:25 PM)

Love ya R-Man! But I don't buy it.  ;)

If that becomes accepted wisdom, it provides the justification for setting up a 'prole' class like in 1984.

If people can't be asked to make intelligent decisions - and be expected to act in their own best interests - then we might as well hang it up and restructure our society along the lines of an ant colony. Because that's what we'll have become.
 :P :Thmbsup:

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 11, 2011, 07:39 PM
Wow...just thought...imagine how many people this going to affect OUTSIDE of facebook...

All those websites that use Facebook Connect to allow customers to play games, share data etc...bye bye accounts lol
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: kyrathaba on August 11, 2011, 07:45 PM
I have a FB account, but I still think it'll be hilarious if they succeed.  And truthfully, I don't use FB that much, so I won't miss it.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 12, 2011, 08:03 AM
Seems like an unjustifiable amount of collateral damage is about to be inflicted on a huge number of undeserving people.  And all in the name of "teaching a lesson" to a large corporation . One which is not going to change anything it does in the wake of it - except possibly push for even greater government regulation of the Web. And likely cooperate even more with government law enforcement than it (allegedly) already does.

So tell me...what do they rationally expect to accomplish by trying to do this?  :huh:

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: tomos on August 12, 2011, 08:36 AM
So tell me...what do they rationally expect to accomplish by trying to do this?  :huh:
-40hz (August 12, 2011, 08:03 AM)

ego enlargement
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 12, 2011, 08:53 AM
So tell me...what do they rationally expect to accomplish by trying to do this?  :huh:
-40hz (August 12, 2011, 08:03 AM)

ego enlargement
-tomos (August 12, 2011, 08:36 AM)

Reminds me this one kid I grew up with. He couldn't walk down a sidewalk without going out of his way to find, and step on, some defenseless little bug.

The innately mean personality blossoms early.



Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: Stoic Joker on August 14, 2011, 10:59 AM
Seems like an unjustifiable amount of collateral damage is about to be inflicted on a huge number of undeserving people.  And all in the name of "teaching a lesson" to a large corporation . One which is not going to change anything it does in the wake of it - except possibly push for even greater government regulation of the Web. And likely cooperate even more with government law enforcement than it (allegedly) already does.

So tell me...what do they rationally expect to accomplish by trying to do this?  :huh:
-40hz (August 12, 2011, 08:03 AM)


Anon has affectively made a declaration of war against FB. And given their opponent a (roughly) 3 month lead time to backup and fortify as (they see fit) necessary. if apathy prevails...Well...

I've been "warned", and have taken appropriate steps to ensure that all pictures of my granddaughter the wife has in her FB account are also stored in an alternate location. My work is done (se above)...

The corporations have been and will continue to milk people for every ounce of marketable information regardless of any silly concerns about the privacy and well being of the individual. Unless someone gets their attention by making it a less tantalizing an option.

I fail to see any reason to fear a "reprisal" that is the inevitable out come of the current trends. Knowledge is power. It always has been. ...And properly subjugated drones do not have it. Hence the access to information as we have it today, must be stopped. To allow our corporate overlords to gain an appropriate level of control over the thronging (not them and therefore unwashed) masses.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 14, 2011, 11:13 AM
@JJ - I wonder what's really worse. Having a corporation play games with my information - or having a bevy of script-kiddies decide to take it upon themselves to smash something I'm using just because they don't like it.

Everybody who uses Facebook registered for an account and basically asked to be there.

I don't know anybody using Facebook that asked anon to try and crash it.

How about you?
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: nosh on August 14, 2011, 12:43 PM
i don't mean to nitpick here but I have heard of cases of identity theft on FB where the authorities haven't done anything to help the victims despite several people reporting it. Perhaps not for lack of trying, but I suppose the policy is "when in doubt, f### it!" I'm sure a few of those victims would be delighted to see FB go down in flames.

The bottomline is, FB, like most of the Intertubes, is unregulated - even if an imposter is eventually stopped, a lot of irrevocable damage can be incurred.

This cat and mouse game, IMHO, is unavoidable. Even necessary for future security. I'm just glad Anon is keeping itself busy with the likes of FB and (hopefully) not messing with the local nuclear plant.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: wraith808 on August 14, 2011, 01:35 PM
^ But are those cases of identity theft caused by FB?  Are they the reason that they happened?  Or is it just that the act was enabled by facebook existing?  Sort of like the route that the RIAA and MPAA take- prosecuting the means rather than the people that are actually behind it...
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: nosh on August 14, 2011, 02:01 PM
I was responding to 40s comment about everyone on FB having opted in. I don't have a dog in this fight, I just think what's happening is unavoidable. If not anon, it'd be someone else down the line.

I do believe a lot of people have blind faith in services like Facebook and don't realize all the implications of putting their personal info out there. They could definitely use a wake up call. Having their faith in FB shaken a bit can't hurt.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: wraith808 on August 14, 2011, 02:30 PM
I do believe a lot of people have blind faith in services like Facebook and don't realize all the implications of putting their personal info out there. They could definitely use a wake up call. Having their faith in FB shaken a bit can't hurt.
-nosh (August 14, 2011, 02:01 PM)

I think that a lot of people just don't think about it.  But just because they don't, why is it anyone's right to try to make them?  And yes, for some people it can hurt.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: nosh on August 14, 2011, 02:44 PM
It isn't anyone's right to make them think about it. I'm not defending anon or hacking in general.

And yes, getting you account hacked can definitely hurt. Realizing that Facebook is vulnerable to hacks, scams, whatever could help. They're two distinct aspects, you don't necessarily need to be the victim of hacking to have your faith in FB shaken. Simple bad press may get the job done.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: 40hz on August 14, 2011, 04:05 PM
FWIW - I don't have a dog in this fight either. I don't do social networking (FB/TwitterG+ et al.) and I have no intention of ever opening an account on any of these services if I can possibly avoid it. But much as I dislike these social networks, the companies behind them - and, in many cases, the user/advocates for these services - I still don't argue they should be shut down or avoided just because 40hz personally doesn't care for them.

What I do object to is the arrogance and hubris of a group of people who flatter themselves by thinking they're neo-vigilantes, and who seem to feel they have the right to crash a system they can individually avoid and ignore if they want to.

Sorry, but I'm one of 'those people' who doesn't appreciate people who presume to speak or act on my behalf without my explicit consent. I have enough respect for myself and MY freedom that I don't willingly cede its support and maintenance to anyone - be they a big faceless government, or a group of trashers. Especially when their rhetoric about the "clueless masses" sounds just like the attitude of contempt towards humanity you perceive in the actions of so many of those already in power.

Just my tuppence. :)

Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: wraith808 on August 14, 2011, 06:25 PM
Sorry, but I'm one of 'those people' who doesn't appreciate people who presume to speak or act on my behalf without my explicit consent. I have enough respect for myself and MY freedom that I don't willingly cede its support and maintenance to anyone - be they a big faceless government, or a group of trashers. Especially when their rhetoric about the "clueless masses" sounds just like the attitude of contempt towards humanity you perceive in the actions of so many of those already in power.

-40hz (August 14, 2011, 04:05 PM)

Agreed.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: kyrathaba on August 14, 2011, 08:58 PM
I agree as well.  I suppose what I will find hilarious is Facebook's embarrassment as they're forced to admit that their "security precautions" are lame.  What I don't find amusing is that individual FB users have no choice in this.
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: J-Mac on August 14, 2011, 11:45 PM
Hey - I didn't opt in by choice! Well, technically I did but in reality I signed up because someone here a DC formed a "Software Users" group - something like that - and asked DC members to join. So I did, and... hardly anyone else did! And NO ONE here has ever gone any further with it. I posted about a couple times, trying to stir up a little interest but there wasn’t any. And that was back a ways before FB was anywhere near as popular as it eventually became. I still belong but I never even bother to log in - except when I have to go and opt-out of all those nice new Auto opt-in lack of privacy "features" Mark Z. keeps tossing at me!

Jim
Title: Re: Operation Facebook (will you rejoice?)
Post by: vlastimil on August 15, 2011, 03:37 AM
Same with me. I joined not because I wanted, but because it was expected of me... Can you run a micro-business without having a facebook profile? How many invitations from your supporters can you ignore?

I was terrified when I visited some unknown web for the first time and there I saw my picture. Clicking on in revealed that they have a "special" relationship with facebook and facebook made the information about me available to them to make their services "better". (This is not the same as the facebook comments you see on many sites.) I opted out of this program, but how many will? How many do care about these things? Now I carefully log out every time I leave facebook and I should probably purge the long-duration cookies as well.