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Title: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 07, 2013, 12:49 PM
YouTube have been annoying me for a long time with trying to persuade me to use my real name. The other option was to continue with my YT name - but *both* options led to the creation of a google+ account. So, I always 'X'd out of it, as I didnt want a google+ account.

Finally today, I was given the choice: create a google+ account or do not comment!
So I created a google plus account with my youtube name.

Immediately after, I got this banner:
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Already having regrets, I clicked on the undo option.
Got this option:
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so I tried the "Temporarily disconnect..." and got this:
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- all blurred out names there are the same - which is a little confusing. I didnt go through with it though because
1) it said "Temporarily disconnect..." (my emphasis)
2) I reckon the G+ account is already created so wont make a whole lot of difference
3) it would disconnect the two but then I would probably be back where I started - unable to comment in YT
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 07, 2013, 01:02 PM
Apart from not liking to be forced to do something; and my lack of enthusiasm for the 'social' web after my experiences with Facebook - well, I dont actually mind having a G+ account that much.

I have particular interests in music and sport and follow these to a certain extent on YT. I can imagine enjoying having all of my comments and maybe likes/favourites/etc. available in a possibly more accessible manner. We'll see. But I'm not ready for the approach where I dump everything I do on the web into one page for the world to see. I dont think I'll ever *want* that - I mean if I want to share my interest in e.g. Old-Time or Bluegrass music - I pretty much only want to share it with people I know are interested.

So, I have mixed feelings about this. Will see how I get on.

One thing I already hate G+ for:
it steals the Ctrl+PgUp/Dn shortcut for moving through the tabs in Firefox >:(
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: dr_andus on November 07, 2013, 01:22 PM
Is this just about commenting?

So, for people who don't care about commenting (and don't want Google+), could they maintain their dual identity?

Or is the writing on the wall?

In which case the only viable option for someone who don't want to merge it with their real name would be to delete their Youtube a/c, I presume (if that's even possible)?
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: app103 on November 07, 2013, 01:30 PM
I don't mind needing a G+ account to comment, since I rarely ever comment on youtube.

But what I do mind is how when I share a video on G+, or comment on a video on G+, all the comments from the videos will now appear on Youtube. And this is retroactive. And it also means that if anyone replies to a G+ imported comment thread on Youtube, it will now appear on the original thread on G+.

Be really careful what videos you share on G+. If the quality of the comments are poor on Youtube, or there is a whole lot of trolling and flaming going on, you can now expect that type of comments to spread to your G+ like a disease.

Is this just about commenting?

So, for people who don't care about commenting (and don't want Google+), could they maintain their dual identity?

Or is the writing on the wall?

In which case the only viable option for someone who don't want to merge it with their real name would be to delete their Youtube a/c, I presume (if that's even possible)?
-dr_andus (November 07, 2013, 01:22 PM)

I have a youtube account that is not associated with my real name/G+ account. Google forced a secondary G+ identity on me that exists as a Youtube channel under my main account. It allows me to keep them separated, but not have to deal with having 2 google accounts to do it.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 07, 2013, 02:24 PM
I have a youtube account that is not associated with my real name/G+ account. Google forced a secondary G+ identity on me that exists as a Youtube channel under my main account. It allows me to keep them separated, but not have to deal with having 2 google accounts to do it.
-app103 (November 07, 2013, 01:30 PM)

so do you have two G+ accounts with one gmail account?
That sounds like a good solution - I suspect it wont be offered to those who have no prior G+ account though...

Is this just about commenting?
-dr_andus (November 07, 2013, 01:22 PM)

so far anyway.
Re deleting accounts - you can delete your youtube account. It may be more difficult to create a (new) YT account separate from any current gmail accounts - you might have to get creative :-)
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Fred Nerd on November 10, 2013, 04:49 AM
So basically it's all moving towards everything being linked in. I'm just glad I guessed it would happen and have several fake identities that were created a long time ago.
Even now I have too much with my real name. I have changed it on Facebook but I know it remembers it. It told me I could only change it once more so make sure I put my real name in. Suffice to say I didn't.
It's not that I don't like everything tied together, it's just that if everyone does, it will get more and more enforced. If everyone kept creating false accounts, and untying everything, they wouldn't try to force it so much.

Not to mention the issue of identity theft.

And the whole attraction of the internet was so you could post anonymously. You can say honest things. Such as on this forum no-one knows me, so I could tell you things that happen locally, and report it exactly without worrying about offending anyone. If this was linked to FB or G+, this would be posted there and someone could take offence.
I want to be allowed to post that I think shooting kangaroos is a good idea without losing my friends who disagree.

If we let things link, we'll get a lot of yes people, or a lot of fashionable haters.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: nosh on November 12, 2013, 08:19 AM
This guy makes a pretty valid rant about the Google+ - Youtube clusterfuck.

Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: TaoPhoenix on November 12, 2013, 09:22 AM
I don't mind needing a G+ account to comment, since I rarely ever comment on youtube.

But what I do mind is how when I share a video on G+, or comment on a video on G+, all the comments from the videos will now appear on Youtube. And this is retroactive. And it also means that if anyone replies to a G+ imported comment thread on Youtube, it will now appear on the original thread on G+.

Be really careful what videos you share on G+. If the quality of the comments are poor on Youtube, or there is a whole lot of trolling and flaming going on, you can now expect that type of comments to spread to your G+ like a disease.
...
I have a youtube account that is not associated with my real name/G+ account. Google forced a secondary G+ identity on me that exists as a Youtube channel under my main account. It allows me to keep them separated, but not have to deal with having 2 google accounts to do it.
-app103 (November 07, 2013, 01:30 PM)

Yeah that's REALLY unfortunate because except for some misc thing I never comment on YouTube. But G+ (why did we get addicted to +1?) was supposed to be the "Geek's Facebook" ... with a higher standard of user! So with sneaky changes like this, it's mashing basement dirt YouTube comments with what might be carefully curated G+ account! And mess up one little feature, or some strange click box, and Boom! You just wrecked your G+ account!

Facebook has their own evils, but I don't know of anything comparable on their side that can cause that much damage! (Instagram maybe?)

Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: 40hz on November 12, 2013, 12:03 PM
I suppose it's easier to insist on a G+ account when you own the service requiring it.

Feedly, that popular alternative for the now defunct  GoogleReader service, tried to do the same recently - and got their collective butt handed back to them by their subscribers.

Feedly has since reversed course and admitted it was a mistake.

More on that GoogleReader[/i]]here (http://[i) and here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/feedly_kills_google_plus_login/).
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 12, 2013, 03:17 PM
This guy makes a pretty valid rant about the Google+ - Youtube clusterfuck.
-nosh (November 12, 2013, 08:19 AM)

wow, I didnt realise that things are *that* bad.
I didnt understand why weird comments were top of the list - if you go to that video on YT, someone did a test where they replied 500 times to a post complaining about the new sorting system. Oh, cant see it any more - the video has gone viral folks. Including swastikas and god knows what else in the comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQjocZXHOg4

The marriage of Google+ and YouTube is in big trouble by the looks of it ....
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: mouser on November 12, 2013, 09:18 PM
Google is all about shoving it's stuff down our throats and doing whatever they have to do to lock everyone into their products.  They use sneakier tactics than others, but the intent seems clear -- buy and get your tentacles into enough stuff and slowly make it impossible to use the internet without being dependent on google technology.

NSWF (language):



Note:

I don't have particular complaints about any one specific google product or decision.  I just think when you put it all together what you see is a smarmy, greedy company whose goal is to get their grubby hands into everything and push out all competitors, and then worry about how to take advantage of us (or inundate us with advertisements) once we're locked in and the competition is killed.

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record -- but it wouldn't be so upsetting if a company came in and said: "ok here is our service, and here is how we're going to pay for it"  but instead what we see, over and over again is a big company like google comes in, kills all the competition and establishes a monopoly by offering a free service with no advertisements.

Then after they capture the marketplace and spend a few years happily losing money and killing off the competitors who don't have as deep bank accounts, then they turn on the ads and start changing the terms of service, and using one service as a platform to push their other services.

And the worst thing about all this is that these companies make it virtually impossible for any small companies to compete with them -- it's a winner take all world and without the bankrole to bleed millions a year for a decade, you have no chance.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: IainB on November 12, 2013, 11:42 PM
This guy makes a pretty valid rant about the Google+ - Youtube clusterfuck.
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-nosh (November 12, 2013, 08:19 AM)
wow, I didnt realise that things are *that* bad.
I didnt understand why weird comments were top of the list - if you go to that video on YT, someone did a test where they replied 500 times to a post complaining about the new sorting system. Oh, cant see it any more - the video has gone viral folks. Including swastikas and god knows what else in the comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQjocZXHOg4
The marriage of Google+ and YouTube is in big trouble by the looks of it ....
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-tomos (November 12, 2013, 03:17 PM)
Amazing, I had been trying to avoid the almost coercive push by Google to get me registered on g+, but now I'm on it. It became impossible to avoid unless I shut down my google account.
Because I rarely use YouTube except to download/watch the odd video, I had not realised that it had become an apparently monumental clusterfark - as suggested by boogie2988 (the fat guy with the beard in a post above) and SONSofLIBERTYIII (the "Hot Girl" singing with the ukulele in the above post).

I can see why @mouser has the opinion that he does ^^ about Google, and I suspect he's probably right in what he says, but I would give Google some credit for introducing quite a lot of disruptive technology that has changed the landscape of the Internet in several novel and beneficial ways.
Google have at least tried to create or acquire some entirely new things - for example, Google Desktop Search, Picasa, Google Reader, Google Docs (was Writely) and WAVE - and by releasing lots/most (all?) of their stuff as "Beta" and with lots of hype, were able to mobilise large numbers of Internet users to put their prototypes through the hoops. Of course, this means that when people like boogie2988 complain and ask Google to "fix" the YouTube clusterfark, it doesn't really matter, because boogie2988 is not a paying customer - he's one of Google's millions of unpaid resources.
The real customers are presumably the advertisers and others who directly pay Google for their services. The market in which they play is one of Google's creation and it is ubiquitous, though I am unsure as to whether it is a "monopoly" per se (by strict definition).
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: CWuestefeld on November 14, 2013, 04:15 PM
a big company like google comes in, kills all the competition and establishes a monopoly by offering a free service with no advertisements.
-mouser (November 12, 2013, 09:18 PM)

I don't see how you get to this. Google achieved dominance by having search results that were incredibly better than its competition at the time (Yahoo, Alta Vista, etc.). And back in those days, much of the web had no advertising, as the companies were trying to establish mindshare first.

I also don't see how you can claim that Google is a monopoly in any of the services it performs. For search there's Bing and numerous smaller players; for video there's Vimeo and others; for email there's Outlook.com and too many others to even think about; for social networking, they're playing second fiddle at best; and so on.

So where you're using Google, it's because, in one way or another, you believe they've got a superior product.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 14, 2013, 05:01 PM
^ pretty much agree there.


So where you're using Google, it's because, in one way or another, you believe they've got a superior product.
-CWuestefeld (November 14, 2013, 04:15 PM)

I think that would be generally true of the type of people who come here.
I dont use their search much any more myself, I find others superior.
I've been bribed to the tune of 15GB to use their email and am happy enough to allow that. That *used* to be a superior offer at any rate :-)

As for YouTube:
the problem for both google and the people who use YouTube, is this sudden deterioration - i.e. it's no longer superior. I dont know was it ever superior - is it not a bit like FB in that: everyone goes there simply because everyone goes there (?)
(I dont actually know the history of YT.)
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Stoic Joker on November 14, 2013, 06:16 PM
NSWF (language):

-mouser (November 12, 2013, 09:18 PM)

Bummer...comments and ratings have been disabled for that video ... Guess Google isn't listening through the right hole..

Good voice, can carry a tune, kinda cute ... She should do more videos (hehe).
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 14, 2013, 06:30 PM
Here's the original - with comments still enabled, and a few more views than the other one ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Stoic Joker on November 14, 2013, 06:54 PM
Here's the original - with comments still enabled, and a few more views than the other one ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4
-tomos (November 14, 2013, 06:30 PM)

Thanks tomos!
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: IainB on November 14, 2013, 07:49 PM
...So where you're using Google, it's because, in one way or another, you believe they've got a superior product.
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-CWuestefeld (November 14, 2013, 04:15 PM)
I'm not sure that's necessarily a true/provable statement - e.g., in my case, it wouldn't be.
It's presumably based on the assumption of consumer choice and ease of switchability.
However, there are likely to be cases where, at the time one started using a Google product/service, Google might have been the only provider of such a  product/service of its type, so there would have been no option/alternative - until maybe later, that is. If that is what happened, then one might currently be stuck using said Google product/service - e.g., waiting to migrate to some better option that might be currently available but which one feels one cannot access due to lock-in or time/effort invested in the said Google product/service.
Banks, which are always p#ssing off their customers by milking them through the use of usury and of extortionate practices, have a whole marketing strategy that relies on this - it's called "customer inertia"; "The devil you know" for example.

There's a thing called "Brand Loyalty" that they teach in Marketing 101. It's a combination of two concepts:
(a) "Brand".
(b) emotional bias/loyalty/attachment to a specific brand.

I would suggest that Google could have managed to offend/p#ss off so many users by now (especially post SnowdenGate) that there could probably be minimal or no brand loyalty amongst the greater majority of them.
The product/service might be regarded/used as just a utility now, and there are others/alternatives out there - and utilities don't engender brand loyalty.
Microsoft arguably led the way in this offending - e.g., I wonder how many people recall that admitting to having a "hotmail" address could often be something of a social embarrassment? No wonder the "hotmail" brand has been quietly expunged. A lot, if not most people would probably have regarded it with distaste at one time or another and probably would not have touched it with a bargepole.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on November 14, 2013, 08:37 PM
So where you're using Google, it's because, in one way or another, you believe they've got a superior product.
-CWuestefeld (November 14, 2013, 04:15 PM)

Wrong answer.

At one time gmail was superior.  Now, not so much.  But when all of your data is with a service, it's hard to change.  Especially when its compatible with work, because they've bought into the google platform.  Youtube?  It wasn't google... now it is.  Same with several other services.

Basically, google has done a lot of what Microsoft did.  They were just more subtle and were able to ride the anti-microsoft side of the wave.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: TaoPhoenix on November 14, 2013, 10:49 PM
-wraith808 (November 14, 2013, 08:37 PM)
At one time gmail was superior.  Now, not so much. 
...
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Going all Weakest Link here...

"Is gmail superior? Maybe not. But it's the Votes that count"

That's the devastating news of 2014.

I've been using Yahoo Mail for a decade. Sure, it's had a couple hacks. But as an Anti-Google thing for a decade, not bad for a "newbie"! I won't discuss any superiority of anything. It's terrible. Only LAST WEEK did Melissa Mayer (new head of Yahoo) roll out the first new changes in three years. But it's Not-Google.

Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: CWuestefeld on November 15, 2013, 01:12 PM
At one time gmail was superior.  Now, not so much.  But when all of your data is with a service, it's hard to change.
-wraith808 (November 14, 2013, 08:37 PM)

That's part of the point. It may not be superior in the list of features it supports, or in the responsiveness of its UI, or things like that. But taken as a package, the total product they offer, is demonstrably better than others. We know this is true, because if it weren't, you would have switched.

Apparently for you (and for most of us), the convenience of having our old emails in there is a compelling feature.

(And from a technical perspective, it is possible to download all of your email history from Gmail. You could, if this need was greater than your disdain for other parts of the service, do this. But apparently your disdain is less than the convenience factor derived from not having to go to the trouble.)
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on November 15, 2013, 01:43 PM
At one time gmail was superior.  Now, not so much.  But when all of your data is with a service, it's hard to change.
-wraith808 (November 14, 2013, 08:37 PM)

That's part of the point. It may not be superior in the list of features it supports, or in the responsiveness of its UI, or things like that. But taken as a package, the total product they offer, is demonstrably better than others. We know this is true, because if it weren't, you would have switched.

Apparently for you (and for most of us), the convenience of having our old emails in there is a compelling feature.

(And from a technical perspective, it is possible to download all of your email history from Gmail. You could, if this need was greater than your disdain for other parts of the service, do this. But apparently your disdain is less than the convenience factor derived from not having to go to the trouble.)
-CWuestefeld (November 15, 2013, 01:12 PM)

Historical use is not demonstrative of superior ability.  If such indicators were indicators of anything other than a placid userbase or historical entrenchment, then IE has been the superior browser for YEARS.

You're conflating superior attributes with a lack of a willingness to do anything else.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: CWuestefeld on November 15, 2013, 02:10 PM
No, wraith. You're just insisting that the only things that should be considered are technical specifications, and I'm trying to point out that the quality of a product encompasses the entire user experience.

Consider that many people are willing to spend $1000+ on a purse, just because it has a certain name on it. There is no objective measure that makes it better - it's not more versatile, more durable, more comfortable to carry. It just confers on the owner a certain status. Just that cachet of status is a feature of the product that people consider when deciding which product to use.

Similarly, the convenience in the ability to keep a repository of historical email is a factor when deciding to keep using gmail or change to, say, Outlook.com. The fact that Google has seen fit to hold onto your email for you is a benefit of their product. And that benefit is tipping the scales, making it so that all things considered, you want to keep using Google. For your needs, using it is superior to using an alternative.

And if Outlook.com, etc., were smart, they'd make it easy for you to upload the repository that it's possible for you to download from gmail.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on November 15, 2013, 03:11 PM
The fact that you have used something before is emphatically not a feature of the software.  It is a consideration in your choice to move, but it is not a feature that would indicate quality of the software or features thereof.  This is one of the things that people complain about when they talk about cloud solutions- the ability to port those solutions to other platforms and the ownership of data.

Countercase 1:
One reason that Microsoft Office has become the defacto standard is not because of anything that is a feature that is qualitative in the software.  It is because of a historical monopoly in that arena, and the fact that others utilize it- so interoperability between itself and others that use that software.  Is that a feature of Microsoft Office?

Countercase 2:
Google reader.  Many people used google reader as an aggregator, if not the interface, because of the fact that Google was a large player, and able to aggregate from different sources.  When google reader died, so did a lot of RSS readers that had nothing to do with Google other than they used its API.  Their software was built around an infrastructure that was not their own, so collapsed when that lynchpin was removed.  This is because Google Reader was not a feature of the software, but rather a dependency.

Gmail is not superior to other alternatives.  And I know this.  My laziness in moving to something else has nothing to do with Google as a platform, but rather my own choices not to be proactive on that front.  That is not a feature of gmail, and therefore has nothing to do with its superiority as a platform.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Stoic Joker on November 15, 2013, 04:54 PM
And if Outlook.com, etc., were smart, they'd make it easy for you to upload the repository that it's possible for you to download from gmail.
-CWuestefeld (November 15, 2013, 02:10 PM)

If by Outlook.com you mean the hosted Exchange, then yes they have many rather exceptional import options.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 15, 2013, 05:02 PM
I was actually considering starting a thread for alternatives to gmail. If a moderator doesn't split the last few posts into a new thread, I would politely ask people to stick to, or get back to, the YouTube topic :-)

Thank you!

(https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/8Thanks/bunnyty.jpg)

^that was to shock you into submission :)
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: xtabber on November 15, 2013, 05:56 PM
Google also now requires users to sign in with a Google+ account to rate Android apps in the Play Store.

I find that a lot more disturbing than requiring it for YouTube, because I really don't care what anyone says about a video, but I do care about who gets to rate apps I might be considering.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Stoic Joker on November 15, 2013, 09:46 PM
What annoyed me was having to login to watch a video ... Since when did motorcycle racing become a "monitored" topic?? Is the elementary school PTA handling the rating systems these days? That BS needs to stop like yesterday!
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: TaoPhoenix on November 15, 2013, 10:51 PM
...
I also don't see how you can claim that Google is a monopoly in any of the services it performs. For search there's Bing and numerous smaller players; for video there's Vimeo and others; for email there's Outlook.com and too many others to even think about; for social networking, they're playing second fiddle at best; and so on.

So where you're using Google, it's because, in one way or another, you believe they've got a superior product.
-CWuestefeld (November 14, 2013, 04:15 PM)

Heh ... well that's why I use Yahoo, because they're Not-Google! Even though they had Inferior Products for a decade!  ;D

But there's a nebulous zone of Near-Monopolies, where theoretically there are some bit players, but it's "almost a monopoly". The rough def of Monopoly is % based.

For example, in Microsoft the newly-returned from his Submarine Mine job over at Nokia, I think Stephen Elop was pondering killing Bing. So while it's *currently* there, it might be gone soon! Yahoo is already "powered" by Bing on the back end. For email, basically only like four companies have been around over a decade, mainly Google, Yahoo, MS, and your choice of a fourth.

Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Deozaan on November 19, 2013, 09:13 AM
The Youtube/Google+ drama summarized:

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Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on November 25, 2013, 02:44 PM
^Yeah, I guess the baby will just get used to it... (phew, I'm getting sea-sick with that thing going non-stop).

I'm still struggling with the implementation. (I'm using a g+ account with my YT name.) They are trying to force YT/G+ users who aren't using their supposed real name, to either create a second 'real name' a/c (which will always be favoured over any other g+ a/c), or to change their account to their 'real name'.

For example, if I am currently logged into both YT and google (gmail etc) - I cannot [g+] anything - it tries to get me to open a real name account - in spite of having my g+ homepage open in the same browser.

So, the g+ dream is sort of along the lines of Facebook I guess. I guess they'll drive me away eventually, just like FB did before them.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on January 10, 2014, 02:48 AM
if I am currently logged into both YT and google (gmail etc) - I cannot [g+] anything - it tries to get me to open a real name account - in spite of having my g+ homepage open in the same browser.
-tomos (November 25, 2013, 02:44 PM)

That's with a G+ account in my YT name.

Now I see that, even if I'm logged out of my gmail/ close all gmail tabs - I still cant G+ anything - I *always* get directed towards opening a g+ account in my real name.
[G+ hate builds... it's a pity, I much prefer it to FB]
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: nosh on January 10, 2014, 08:00 AM
G+ hate builds...

And then, this happened...  ;D

Google is today making a change to Gmail that will further bake in Google+ to its webmail product in a way that’s actually somewhat practical, though also potentially invasive. Going forward, you’ll now be able to directly email your Google+ contacts from Gmail, even if you don’t know their email address. And by default, anyone on Google+ will be able to email you as well, thanks to this new option, if you don’t adjust your settings.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/09/new-gmail-feature-allows-anyone-on-google-to-email-you-vice-versa-but-opt-out-is-provided/

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Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: TaoPhoenix on January 10, 2014, 08:08 AM
G+ hate builds...

And then, this happened...  ;D

Google is today making a change to Gmail that will further bake in Google+ to its webmail product in a way that’s actually somewhat practical, though also potentially invasive. Going forward, you’ll now be able to directly email your Google+ contacts from Gmail, even if you don’t know their email address. And by default, anyone on Google+ will be able to email you as well, thanks to this new option, if you don’t adjust your settings.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/09/new-gmail-feature-allows-anyone-on-google-to-email-you-vice-versa-but-opt-out-is-provided/
 (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=36493.msg346578#msg346578))

-nosh (January 10, 2014, 08:00 AM)

My college class on boiling frogs starts in two weeks... It's a "Business" class!

((Just Kidding!!))

Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: cyberdiva on January 10, 2014, 10:09 AM
I've just run into a Google+ runaround.  A couple of years ago, a good friend persuaded me to join Google+.  I did so, using my secondary Gmail account, since I'd read some disturbing accounts of Google+ inappropriately using the contacts in a member's Gmail account, and my secondary account has very few contacts.  A few months ago,  I bought a Nexus 7 tablet and put both of my Gmail accounts on it.  But the account from which I have logged into PlayStore to buy apps is my first Gmail account.  Well, a few days ago I tried to post a review of an app that I bought and love.  I tried to post it from my main Gmail account, but I was told I had to join Google+ to post a review.  So I switched to the secondary Gmail account, only to be told "you have to install the app before you can review it."  Apparently, even though both Gmail accounts are on the tablet, and both are in my name, only the first account is recognized as having the app   I surely don't want TWO Google+ memberships, nor do I want to expose my primary Gmail account to the vagaries of Google+.  :mad:
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: dr_andus on January 10, 2014, 11:19 AM
A few months ago,  I bought a Nexus 7 tablet and put both of my Gmail accounts on it.  But the account from which I have logged into PlayStore to buy apps is my first Gmail account.  Well, a few days ago I tried to post a review of an app that I bought and love.  I tried to post it from my main Gmail account, but I was told I had to join Google+ to post a review.  So I switched to the secondary Gmail account, only to be told "you have to install the app before you can review it."  Apparently, even though both Gmail accounts are on the tablet, and both are in my name, only the first account is recognized as having the app
-cyberdiva (January 10, 2014, 10:09 AM)

Hm, I was thinking of doing something similar with a Chromebook I was planning to get. But this now makes me wonder how easy it is to operate with two or more Google/Gmail account identities within one Chrome machine...

Mind you, I'm not on Google+ and neither do I want to get on it.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Deozaan on January 10, 2014, 02:12 PM
It's easy to operate multiple Google/Gmail accounts on one device.

But of course when you buy/install something on the Play Store it is linked to only one account. Otherwise you could put all your friends accounts on your device and buy an app/movie/album and everyone would have free access to it.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on January 10, 2014, 02:51 PM
And you don't have to have a G+ account to run gmail and such.  They're just adding features as G+ grows in popularity.  Mine was set to circles only already- which was the same setting I had for who could e-mail me from my G+ profile page.  Not sure if it's the same in general.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: bit on January 10, 2014, 04:01 PM
^agree with every posted criticism of Google & Youtube, don't use Google or G-mail anymore (use Startpage (https://startpage.com/) instead), and don't visit Youtube nearly as much as I used to and absolutely never post anything to it anymore.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Deozaan on January 10, 2014, 06:17 PM
Google is today making a change to Gmail that will further bake in Google+ to its webmail product in a way that’s actually somewhat practical, though also potentially invasive. Going forward, you’ll now be able to directly email your Google+ contacts from Gmail, even if you don’t know their email address. And by default, anyone on Google+ will be able to email you as well, thanks to this new option, if you don’t adjust your settings.
-http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/09/new-gmail-feature-allows-anyone-on-google-to-email-you-vice-versa-but-opt-out-is-provided/

Actually, it's kind of cool. Now I can get people to email me without giving out my e-mail address and risk them including it in a mass-forwarded-whatever, spreading it out even further into the recesses of the internet for spambots to find.

People who I have already screened (by adding them to my circles) and who want to e-mail me can send me a message without me taking on any risk associated with giving out personal information. And I can easily block them from sending me more messages. What's not to like about that?
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: nosh on January 10, 2014, 07:35 PM
It's just the way they're going about things, in this particular instance by making the default choice 'everyone'. G+ is the jackass brother to pretty sisters. You have to tolerate his uninvited appearances and constant mouth-breathing if you want to keep seeing the girls. :D

I personally find Youtube invaluable these days. I called up my satellite TV provider and had my account suspended just yesterday after realizing I haven't used the service for over a month. I'd be happy to pay for Youtube instead. But Google would rather annoy me with a service I have no use for than take my money.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 26, 2014, 04:34 PM
I'm using G+ so far more or less as my YouTube account.

Trying to keep it minimal, not "subscribing" to too many people. One guy uploaded about 60 videos in two days, so yesterday I tried to mute his posts - his posts from today are shown twice [edit] in notifications [/edit] (but in fairness, I haven't seen much bugginess apart from that).

A strange thing about G+ is that you can follow anyone - I'm not clear what exactly this means - can they still post stuff yet hide it from certain, or all followers?
That aspect doesnt actually bother me, but there's a streak of being a stalker in 'following' - I follow you: you have no idea who I am, or why I might be following you. You check out my site, maybe I dont make public posts (I do, as it happens).

I nearly prefer the FB approach where you make a request. But either way, my ideal would be that you would have to type a few words when choosing to follow someone. That person might not even read it - but if they choose to, and are interested in what you say, they could then follow up on you (apologies for the sort-of pun), and maybe even follow you.

I can see it being more suited to more wordy posts. Meaning I dont see it as being particularly suited to YT. Mind you I prefer to look at my G+ page than my oversubscribed YT page :-\

But I aint particularly happy with either.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 26, 2014, 04:50 PM
On another note:
what I find unforgiveable is, that they have stolen the Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown keys for their own purposes :down:
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on February 26, 2014, 06:56 PM
Basically, when you follow someone, you can by default see their public posts.  They can block you, but this is very much a singular and manual process.

When you share something, by default you share it publicly, so that anyone can see it- even those that are not following you- because it's public.

You also make circles from the people that you are following.  You can put as many or as few people in circles- those not in circles don't really mean anything to you.

If you change the default share to point to one of your circles, then the people in that circle can see the content; it's no longer public.  You can share with more than one circle at a time.  And people can be in more than one circle.

So I might have you in a DoCo circle, and skwire in a DoCo and Development circle.  He doesn't know what circles he's in of mine... only that I've circled him.  you, skwire, and mouser follows me.

If I share to public, all of you can see my posts.  If I share to Development- skwire can see them, but you and mouser can't.  If share to DoCo, you and Skwire can see it... but mouser can't.  If I add development to that share, nothing changes as far as you are concerned.

Does that make a bit more sense?
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 27, 2014, 03:21 AM
They should give you a job wraith!
It's not as intuitive as they think (I did look at a few introductory videos and pages when I started) and the interface (as usual) could do with a bit of work.

Anyways, I'll stick with it for YT, and possibly expand it into other areas of interest. But the fact that google doesnt not allow me to g+ articles unless I use my real name is a big turn-off there. I'm not even looking for workarounds there - it pisses me off enough that I just wont currently expand my use of it. FWIW, I'm considering using my real name i.e. my google account name, but I hate the pressure, I find I stop thinking objectively about it ;-)

Another thing that bugs me is the content of the advertising - they keep suggesting that I follow people like Britney and her ilk :o I thought they had a little intelligence: they know my YT viewing history; I do very occasionally watch a 'popstar' video, but the music I watch is 99.999% either older (rock/pop/reggae/punk etc.), or traditional (Irish etc.), or Bluegrass, or jazz recommended on dc, i.e. *nothing* that is currently mainstream. Maybe they are at a loss what they could to sell me!

But anyways, I really just wanted to talk about the experience, and in general (in spite of my moaning), I've gotta say I'm enjoying it.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on February 27, 2014, 12:00 PM
I've never given google my real name.  And because of that, I'm not affected by that part.  But yes, I can see how it would be annoying.  I remember when they had their 'real name' kick being concerned about that (and YT still asks me to link them... but I don't).
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: rgdot on February 27, 2014, 12:59 PM
If you own an Android you don't have to have given your name in the sense that you do when signing up for gmail or other service ... they have it and will use it
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on February 27, 2014, 01:07 PM
If you own an Android you don't have to have given your name in the sense that you do when signing up for gmail or other service ... they have it and will use it
-rgdot (February 27, 2014, 12:59 PM)

I don't have an Android device... but haven't you actually given it during setup?  I mean- it has to get it from somewhere.  So either your cellular provider is giving it to them (bad) or you did it during setup.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: rgdot on February 27, 2014, 08:23 PM
Yes I have. I meant you can't escape giving your real name if you own Android.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on February 28, 2014, 12:49 PM
Yes I have. I meant you can't escape giving your real name if you own Android.
-rgdot (February 27, 2014, 08:23 PM)

Ah... I guess any thoughts I had of switching have now gone out the window.  Makes me feel better.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: 40hz on February 28, 2014, 02:12 PM
It was a no-brainer for me. I decided I really didn't want to comment if that was the condition for doing so.  8)
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on February 28, 2014, 02:45 PM
Exactly.  There have been several times that I've been about to click to reply to something... then it asked me to link a FB account.  Or link my google account.

It's saved me a lot of brain cells in engaging in a debate.  And in many cases, saved me a location to go to in order to read things too.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Stoic Joker on February 28, 2014, 03:28 PM
There have been several times that I've been about to click to reply to something... then it asked me to link a FB account.
-wraith808 (February 28, 2014, 02:45 PM)

 :Thmbsup: - I react to that like a vampire to a garlic flavored wooden cross with a UV light and a pointy end. :D
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on May 09, 2014, 03:30 PM
Bugginess in the YT/G+ world lately. Dont know if they're making changes again or what.


Both pretty major bugs to me. Maybe my standards are too high, but one of the things that attracted me to g+ was the fact I could look back over my YT comments and thereby maybe find a video or maybe a user I replied to - or the uploader, or whatever.

They seem to do a push every once in a while to try and get me to use my real name: being forced again and again to chose between my real name and my YT one. Ironically they seem to hassle me less when my gmail account is open in same browser...
They also seem to have a sense of how far they can push - I was getting seriously pissed off with them last week - and there's been absolutely no problems that way since.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on June 09, 2014, 10:41 AM
[edit] maybe I'm too quick on the draw here. The situation is this: from my home, I can only see my YT comments if I am logged into and using my g+ account. Otherwise they just dont show. As in gone. I will try from elsewhere tomorrow to see if they visible from another location [/edit]

OK, their latest 'approach' is to censor your YT comments if you dont use your full name.
No-one can see my comments on YT :tellme:
That is extreme...

I discovered this by accident:
they are silently logging me out of my g+ account when I look at YT pages (I think it's after hibernating the laptop) - they show instead my email address, and prompt me to open new g+ account. But anyways, I couldnt see my comment on a particular video, and actually thought the video uploader had censored my comment (which was mildly critical). Turns out that no-one can see my comments - only me, and then only when I'm logged in, and (presumably :tellme:) people who are following me.

I know I'm expecting the worst here (but with good reason). I guess it could be a bug, but a very odd one...
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Deozaan on June 09, 2014, 01:49 PM
It could also be related to your sharing settings. For example, if someone posts a YT video on Google+, it will show up as a YT comment. And any replies made to the Google+ post will also show up as YT comments, but only according to the sharing settings.

In other words, any public posts and comments will show up for anyone. Any private posts and comments will only show up for the people they're shared with.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on June 09, 2014, 03:04 PM
It could also be related to your sharing settings. For example, if someone posts a YT video on Google+, it will show up as a YT comment. And any replies made to the Google+ post will also show up as YT comments, but only according to the sharing settings.

In other words, any public posts and comments will show up for anyone. Any private posts and comments will only show up for the people they're shared with.
-Deozaan (June 09, 2014, 01:49 PM)

not in this case, all comments/posts were public when made; unless they've made some change & screwed up those settings - better check...
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on June 12, 2014, 02:21 AM
Summary:
commenting in YT using my g+ account; public settings:
the post/comment is only visible on YT when I am logged into my g+ account. Otherwise it doesnt show.

It could also be related to your sharing settings. For example, if someone posts a YT video on Google+, it will show up as a YT comment. And any replies made to the Google+ post will also show up as YT comments, but only according to the sharing settings.
-Deozaan (June 09, 2014, 01:49 PM)

the sharing setting are set when making the post - by default, 'Public' & 'Share on g+' are selected here - when posting in YT at any rate. My posts/comments have always been public. I dont see any way of changing that setting after the fact i.e. no way of now making them private (or have I missed something in settings?)

This is not related to not using my real name btw (my paranoia :)).
Anyone else having this problem? (A google search doesnt show anything...)


[edit] is happening to others all right - google YT forums (https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/youtube/public$20comments$20not$20showing|sort:relevance/youtube/ud2K7lI5xg8) - thread degenerates into censorship conspiracy theories, but I dont think I qualify as being worthy of censorship. At least I presume google knows about the problem, whether they do anything about it remains to be seen.
So,
my sole reason for using g+ is gone :huh: [/edit]
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on September 09, 2014, 12:48 PM
Well, they fixed my last problem and seem to have introduced a half-dozen others...

I've read that they have recapitulated on the realname thing, but I've got to say I'm not sure what they're at.
This has been going on for a while now:

Machine #1:
Windows 7; Firefox/PaleMoon; logged into gmail account; in g+/Youtube with my Youtube name; no Java installed:



Machine #2 (differences are: Java *is* installed, and OS):
Windows 8.1; Firefox/PaleMoon; logged into gmail account; in g+/Youtube with my Youtube name; Java installed:



At this stage, I suspect this is a combination of pure incompetence, and an unwillingness to let go of the ideal of having gmail and g+ and YT using the same name.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: Renegade on September 10, 2014, 04:24 AM
At this stage, I suspect this is a combination of pure incompetence, and an unwillingness to let go of the ideal of having gmail and g+ and YT using the same name.
-tomos (September 09, 2014, 12:48 PM)

I'm going to go with incompetence.

I cannot use YT in OF ALL BLOODY BROWSERS... CHROME!!!  :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

No replying. No liking... Pfft. It's idiotic. In CHROME!

Now, in Opera, liking and replying work. But... The volume control always resets to 100% every time for every new video. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

For that one, I'd probably chalk it up to maliciousness rather than incompetence. Google/YT has a vested interest in Chrome and seeing users leave Opera. Incompetence there is possible, but maliciousness wouldn't be unprecedented, e.g. Microsoft with Netscape, etc.

I could be wrong about that, but... I'm just pulling these opinions out of my ass. They're based on jack as I don't have access to inside information and it's all just pure speculation worth pretty much nothing.

Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on September 26, 2014, 08:21 AM
At this stage, I suspect this is a combination of pure incompetence, and an unwillingness to let go of the ideal of having gmail and g+ and YT using the same name.
-tomos (September 09, 2014, 12:48 PM)

I'm going to go with incompetence.
-Renegade (September 10, 2014, 04:24 AM)

that was funny with Chrome :huh: :)

hasn't improved since either (with FF/win7 at any rate):


so, definitely seems like incompetence
Title: Gmail users no longer have to embrace Google+
Post by: IainB on September 27, 2014, 11:01 AM
Lots of media now talking about this.
(Copied below sans embedded hyperlinks/images.)
Gmail users no longer have to embrace Google+ ... The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2371313/gmail-users-no-longer-have-to-embrace-google)
That’s a positive

By Dave Neal
Mon Sep 22 2014, 10:26

GOOGLE HAS STOPPED requiring that new subscribers to its services join its social network Google+.

Google+ is something of an also-ran among social networks and does not have the same traction as Facebook or Twitter, for example.

Perhaps hoping to increase user numbers and generate network momemtum, Google insisted that its new Gmail users adopt its social network by signing up for Google+ accounts, and it has been doing so since the beginning of 2012.

That requirement is no more, and neither is Vic Gundotra still the Google executive in charge of the network. When he departed this spring the suggestion was the Google+ might follow him.

Now, according to a report on Larry Kim's Wordstream blog, the writing is on the wall, although unfortunately for Google, it's probably on a Facebook wall.

Kim said that the requirement was dropped quietly this month, and Google confirmed this move over the weekend.

A Google spokesperson told The INQUIRER that the requirement to sign up for both Gmail and Google+ has been changed, but added that Google+ is still a thing and that if people want it, they can still get it.

"We updated the signup experience in early September," said the spokesperson. "Users can now create a public profile during signup, or later, if and when they share public content for the first time (like a restaurant review, Youtube video or Google+ post)."

A new "No thanks" button will now allow users to skip creating a Google+ account when they signs up for a Gmail, Google Docs, or other Google account.

Gundotra's Google+ account still exists and remains active, so thats something. µ
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: rgdot on September 27, 2014, 12:10 PM
Going on a tangent:

I, as many others, said early on that if G+ is aiming to reach Facebook level activity within a handful of years it is being delusional.

But it is by no means empty or deserted. 'Sharing with family' type updates is probably what keeps Facebook going more than any other. G+ was never going to just capture that market.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on September 27, 2014, 03:20 PM
Going on a tangent:

I, as many others, said early on that if G+ is aiming to reach Facebook level activity within a handful of years it is being delusional.

But it is by no means empty or deserted. 'Sharing with family' type updates is probably what keeps Facebook going more than any other. G+ was never going to just capture that market.
-rgdot (September 27, 2014, 12:10 PM)

While this is true... I think its more because they tend to serve different purposes.  Facebook is a more archaic form of social networking- grouping things in one location no matter who they are from and what its purpose is.  And that familiarity is the very reason that G+ had a long uphill climb ahead of it.  But, people predicting its demise are also doing it for one self-serving reason or another.  For connecting with groups of people and having communities, I think that G+ is a lot better in functionality and form.  For connecting with individuals?  Not so much.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on October 30, 2014, 07:40 AM
My YouTube/G+ account uses my YT name, but is connected with my 'real-name' gmail address.
Here's what I now see when in G+ which is under my Youtube name (clicking the icon top-right of page; Win7 x64; Firefox)

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Notice that the gmail account + real name is labeled 'default'.
I think this is simply a bug (it works different in Win8) but I'll chance asking:
Anyone know if there's any way of changing this, and making my YT/G+ name/account the default ?

it's slightly different on a YT page

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

   1) my email (no name)
   2) my YT name
   3) just my email again

If I click on the 'change' after my YT name I just get brought to my G+ page
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on October 09, 2015, 05:55 PM
I'm just posting to note:
it looks like one can no longer paste text in a YouTube comment box -- I presume this is to protect against people pasting aything (especially anti-google?).

Workaround:

via computerforum.com (http://www.computerforum.com/threads/why-cant-i-paste-a-comment-in-youtube.235568/)


PS I have resigned myself to the YT/G+ situation.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 07, 2016, 08:04 AM
I see my YT comments haven't been showing on my g+ page since last August. I dont have a lot of interaction via my g+ account but used to have some (none since August though).
I care, but not a whole lot.
The g+ page was good for giving me an overview of my recent YT activity -- that's what I miss most.

Comments on YT *are* visible when not logged in.
Comment history is no longer shown on my YT channel.

I did check g+ settings: everything was as it should be.
(I did disable and re-enabled some settings, so should check see if that made any difference with new comments -- older comments still not displayed on g+.)

So, g+ and YT alienate me yet again :down:
Probably not a bad thing, because who knows how long g+ is going to last anyways...
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: wraith808 on February 07, 2016, 08:28 AM
Probably not a bad thing, because who knows how long g+ is going to last anyways...
-tomos (February 07, 2016, 08:04 AM)

Hopefully a while.  There's quite a bit of activity on there, no matter what all of the pundits who are waiting for it to fail say.  And their communities are better than boards in the format of them, and definitely better than facebook.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 07, 2016, 11:34 AM
Probably not a bad thing, because who knows how long g+ is going to last anyways...
-tomos (February 07, 2016, 08:04 AM)

Hopefully a while.  There's quite a bit of activity on there, no matter what all of the pundits who are waiting for it to fail say.  And their communities are better than boards in the format of them, and definitely better than facebook.
-wraith808 (February 07, 2016, 08:28 AM)

Yeah, I can see that, but I was thinking what with google's history of killing off stuff that isn't fully successful...
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 17, 2016, 03:40 PM
It's getting weirder:
if I go to my g+ page, without being logged in to google, I see one [1] post - and am no longer able to access the about page. Almost all my g+ posts were via Youtube -- *nothing* from Youtube is displayed. The about page had a link to my YT account and some scraps of info -- all gone. No info about followers or views are shown (settings only have an option to show views which is ticked).

I checked my settings:
Settings >Manage g+ activity:
here I can click on a dropdown that will show stuff like 'Comments', '+1 on posts', '+1 on comments', etc.
All this information is very dated. And none of it can be seen by visitors.

It really does look to me like google has decided to kill any connection between Youtube and g+. Alternatively this could be just on some accounts...
Either way, pity for me because that was my main use of it.
Title: Re: YouTube finally forces creation of google+ A/C to comment
Post by: tomos on February 22, 2016, 10:30 AM
It really does look to me like google has decided to kill any connection between Youtube and g+. Alternatively this could be just on some accounts...
Either way, pity for me because that was my main use of it.
-tomos (February 17, 2016, 03:40 PM)
turns out I'm behind the times,
this from the official youtube blog, Monday, July 27, 2015:
With today’s announcement from Google+, you’ll see more changes. The comments you make on YouTube will now appear only on YouTube, not also on Google+. And vice-versa. This starts rolling out today.
http://youtube-global.blogspot.de/2015/07/youtube-comments.html

Unfortunately they no longer show comments made on videos in your YouTube channel (the 'recent activity' option no longer includes comments). In other words, AFAICS there is no easy way to keep a record of your YT comments. If you make a comment, you will have to bookmark it search for it if you want to find it again...

Damn. It wasnt a lot, but I did have something going there. Gone. Ah well.