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I've been waiting for this because I wanted to see what they did with the newest version of Cinnamon. This release has version 2.0.
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Detailed release announcement from the dev team can be found here (http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_petra_cinnamon_whatsnew.php).
Downloaded and ran the live 64-bit version for about an hour last night and it looks to be very solid. :Thmbsup:
You can read more about Linux Mint and find download links here (http://www.linuxmint.com/index.php).
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interesting news, my personal preference is MATE (http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_petra_mate_whatsnew.php) though. if i am not mistaken, i am still running LM 14 on my old netbook.
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Clem is doing an excellent job! :Thmbsup:
Couldn't even load previous version on live DVD.
Do think i'll stick to Windows 7 though (peripheral issues but also shareware hard to do without now).
In all practicality... i found ElementaryOS to be the best so far with regards to peripheral compatibility issues.
Just don't like their forum and the fact that the top panel can't be set to autohide (annoying on laptops).
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interesting news, my personal preference is MATE (http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_petra_mate_whatsnew.php) though. if i am not mistaken, i am still running LM 14 on my old netbook.
-lanux128
The MATE version is also available now. :)
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Nice!
Anyone know if there will be any more work on the Debian-based flavor?
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good to see that the recent allegations by an Ubuntu dev did not take away from the wind from their sails. more about that here (http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/11/answering-controversy-stability-vs-security-is-something-you-configure/) but with more and more distros becoming an attractive alternative to existing desktop OSes, the comments are likely to be more frequent. *shrug*
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Nice!
Anyone know if there will be any more work on the Debian-based flavor?
-ewemoa
IIUC, LMDE works off a semi-rolling release model that uses Mint created update packs based on Debian's "testing" repositories. So there really aren't specific LMDE versions like there are for the Ubu-based flavors of Mint. The last LMDE update pack (#7) was issued around the end of September of this year, so it looks to be still active.
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Ah, thanks for the explanation -- I guess that means one starts off with an ISO and then performs at least one update.
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If it's based on "Testing" I'd say there's more than one update ;)
I do an 'aptitude update/full-upgrade' every week or so and it's always huge. And in the past couple of months, they've been obsolete-ing tons of packages.
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The "update" I was referring to was the LMDE update pack -- do you do additional "from-Debian" updates as well?
Sorry I wasn't clear in my original post -- I was referring to the process of installing from scratch.
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Ah, I should have been more clear as well... I am running Debian "Testing", not Linux Mint. I used to be a Ubuntu fan, but it has gone downhill since 9.10, IMNSHO. I went back to Debian and I've gotten along with it so well that I intend to stay.
Though I will admit Mint looks pretty slick...
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If I were running a server I'd be using Debian as well -- for non-server-related development, I've been finding Arch to be easier from the perspective of creating, installing, and uninstalling software cleanly.
I tend to use Mint via booting one of its isos, so it'd have been nicer not to have to apply an update after booting from the LMDE iso.
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I tend to use Mint via booting one of its isos, so it'd have been nicer not to have to apply an update after booting from the LMDE iso.
-ewemoa
Wouldn't setting it up as a VM image be easier? That way, you could have a tweaked and updated clean image for software testing anytime you wanted.
8)
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When the machine in question is broken or I don't trust its content, booting from ISO seems like a better option -- also when it's someone else's PC...
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When the machine in question is broken oir I don't trust its content, booting from ISO seems like a better option -- also when it's someone else's PC...
-ewemoa
Yup. That pretty much answered my question. Boot from media it is! ;D
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Windows cpu was going bananas today (searchhost thingy) so i decided to give Elementary another try (for some reason tweak tool is no longer available) so i decided to go a bit deeper into LinuxMint Cinnamon - surprise! No more CPU issues.
Any tips on monitoring CPU on LM?
If i could only get that sufferin' suckatash CanonLide70 to work with LM! :(
That's okay. Dual boot isn't all that bad. :)
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How does using the following seem?
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A bit of a digression...
I got to thinking whether remastering the LMDE iso with the latest update applied might be worth considering.
Has any one tried this?
I've come across a few options for remastering, but haven't tried any of them:
refracta has some relevant-looking tools (http://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/documentation/)
remastersys fork (http://system-imaging.blogspot.co.uk/)
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@ewemoa, not too obvious! :-[
Do hope to find the LXLE has it set up on the top right hand corner, like a transparent gadget...
BTW, Cinnamon CPU has been spiking.
'Funny' thing yesterday, CPU on Windows 7 was going tilt all day long, then when i decided to give Cimmanon another spin, it stopped! :huh:
Can computers read your mind?
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Quick rundown of Mint 16 Cinnamon can be found here (http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/linux-mint-reviews/linux-mint-16-cinnamon/). Lots of pretty pictures! :)
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Nice catch 40hz! :Thmbsup:
First i've seen of that webpage and such a long well done presentation too!
Other than the first glitches expected on installation, standby mode failed at first try.
Now if i can figure out how to make Cinnamon boot second to Windows... boot config is read only and i always have a hard time to remember how to get into root mode. Not easy after 50!
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Now if i can figure out how to make Cinnamon boot second to Windows... boot config is read only and i always have a hard time to remember how to get into root mode. Not easy after 50!
-dantheman
With Ubuntu derivatives there's seldom (if ever) any real need to run as root. At least most times. If you prefix a command with sudo (or gksudo) that will give you temporary admin privileges on anything you do with that command once you enter your password. (Ex: sudo gedit will open the text editor with root privileges.)
Might be easier for you to use Neosmart's EasyBCD as your boot profile manager. It's free for non-commercial and home use. Info and download link here (http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/?ModPagespeed=noscript).
:Thmbsup:
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I got to thinking whether remastering the LMDE iso with the latest update applied might be worth considering.
-ewemoa
Wow! You're certainly nix-hardcore aren't you? :tellme: ;D
If you have the technical chops, time, and the interest to do something like that, might it make sense to create your own Debian spin? It would probably be easier than trying to reverse engineer what the Mint people did and remaster from there.
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Thanks for the reminders 40hz - think i might just keep LM as default.
Although i've seen a few complaints on LM blog about problems with Cinnamon 16, it has never been better as far as i can recall!
Everything is basically 100% faster than before. Yes!!
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Thanks for the reminders 40hz - think i might just keep LM as default.
Although i've seen a few complaints on LM blog about problems with Cinnamon 16, it has never been better as far as i can recall!
Everything is basically 100% faster than before. Yes!!
-dantheman
Yeah. That was my impression too. And especially obvious once I took it off a VM and installed it on real iron. In this case, 'real iron' is an HP Pavilion dv7 laptop (i5/8Gb RAM) which I inherited when the original owner (a client) tossed it because the HD went bad. I recovered it (with his permission) from the trash bin it was sitting in. Even got the power brick that went with it. After putting in a nice spankin' new 1TB HD I had sitting on the shelf, I was set to go. And all without me dorking with anything I was currently using.
Haven't had any problems (so far) with the new release or Cinnamon either. Knock wood!
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Woo-Hoo! This beastie (it's huge) just might end up being my new main 'desktop" machine...
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Now i understand your initial enthusiasm.
Glad to hear about you finding that free gem!
Lucky guy! ;D
For some reason, standby or hibernate modes don't like my little ol' machine.
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@Dan - I think these may mostly be issues with a specific laptop's hardware.
I have Mint 14 running on a Dell Inspiron where the restart option doesn't work correctly. It always hangs on shutdown. Since I can just do a regular shutdown + hit the power switch to restart (and logoff session works fine) I haven't bothered to try and get to the bottom of it.
Sometimes you just need to weigh the effort required in light of solving one glitch on one machine. As I get older I get lazier when it comes to my own PCs.
:-[
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Not that a new version of LM will fix wifi issues necessarily but may be I should burn 16 and see if it is better than 13...
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Not that a new version of LM will fix wifi issues necessarily but may be I should burn 16 and see if it is better than 13...
-rgdot
Interesting...one of the first things that swayed me towards Mint as a general purpose and new-user distro was how well it worked with wifi. At least for me. Guess it's yet another example of how YMMV when it comes to Linux...
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40hz,
If you can help out on this, i'd appreciate it!
1. i find graphics grainier than say, PCLinuxOS (changing monitor settings doesn't do anything to improve).
2. how to change font and even better, make title bars disappear (or autohide) in Firefox for example?
I've got "toolbar autohide" which works just fine in Windows but not on Linux Mint Cinnamon 16.
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Not that a new version of LM will fix wifi issues necessarily but may be I should burn 16 and see if it is better than 13...
-rgdot
Interesting...one of the first things that swayed me towards Mint as a general purpose and new-user distro was how well it worked with wifi. At least for me. Guess it's yet another example of how YMMV when it comes to Linux...
-40hz
At least partly a case of which wireless card is in there. If it was a desktop I would be willing to change any or all components to fit but laptop less so. Even with firmware update, wireless card not soldered and compatible replacement it's still hit and miss in my (limited) experience.
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40hz,
If you can help out on this, i'd appreciate it!
1. i find graphics grainier than say, PCLinuxOS (changing monitor settings doesn't do anything to improve).
-dantheman
@DtM - I'll try.
Without knowing your hardware configuration, there's not much I can suggest other than to say it sounds like the screen resolution is being set incorrectly or the video driver you're using is generic and your GPU doesn't like it.
If you have an NVidia card there have been documented problems with some of the drivers recently.
How about a little more detail: screen type, native resolution, graphic system etc.?
You can run inxi -Gx in a terminal window to see what Mint thinks you have running. If there's a mismatch, that's where we'll need to start looking.
2. how to change font and even better, make title bars disappear (or autohide) in Firefox for example?
I've got "toolbar autohide" which works just fine in Windows but not on Linux Mint Cinnamon 16.
Never used Toolbar Autohide before, but I just installed it. (Nice add-on btw!) Once I did I had to put the cursor in the toolbar area, right click and put a checkmark for Maximized Autohide. Works like a charm for me.
Let me know if it does for you. :Thmbsup:
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Here it is :
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA G96M [GeForce GT 130M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
X.Org: 1.14.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: nouveau Resolution: [email protected]
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NV96 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.2.1 Direct Rendering: Yes
(something is missing or failing).
That Toolbar Autohide is working just fine. Here it is at work:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/modthumb/163/hz66.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/hz66.png/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
I've got the LM panel sent to the top, could this have an impact?
Thunderbird behaves in same manner.
Not very nice when you a black theme and nice long greyish horizontal bar.
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BTW, glad i could have been of some use to you 40hz!
It's odd that Chromium has the option to hide system title bar and borders.
Guess Dedoimedo is right on his recent rant about Mozilla ?
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Have been trying Mint 16 Cinnamon (64-bit) in VirtualBox version 4.3.2 (portable edition) but it isn't that stable to be honest, not nearly as stable as ElementaryOS 0.2 (Luna).
In my VirtualBox setup (both VirtualBox and Mint use the default settings) Mint really starts behaving crazy when I try to play a DVD. I'm not blaming Mint all the way for this behavior as it could be the DVD itself (yeay, misusing DVD book conventions for the DRM beast).
Have not been able to successfully connect my USB hard disk to the virtual machine in VirtualBox, perhaps I should try a different file manager that supports SMB:// better. For some (strange?) reason the default manager doesn't find my Windows shares.
I did install VLC into Mint, even after downloading and installing each requested package the DVD would pass through its menu system and plays the first minutes, but only in black and white, so I didn't check if the DVD plays completely, to be honest. Closing VLC crashed the virtual machine with Mint. The virtual machine with ElementaryOS, VLC and the DVD didn't crash after closing VLC, but VLC kept playing the movie in black and white as well. Also in this VM all the requested packages were installed.
The DVD is 'The Life and Death of Peter Sellers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352520)'.
Browsing the internet and all that kind of stuff went well in Mint, however the default fonts the default browser used, I didn't find that nice to look at. As I have seen websites in other linux distro's (CentOS and Fedora) display text of a website more clearly than Windows PC's years ago, I know this can be better. ElementaryOS does this (only marginally) better.
My Windows host machine uses an AMD Radeon 4650 video card (old, but very reliable and it has 1GB of RAM on it). The rest of my PC is from the same "computer epoch", so that could be the reason for instability as well ;)
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Graphics: Card: NVIDIA G96M [GeForce GT 130M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
X.Org: 1.14.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) FAILED: nouveau Resolution: [email protected]
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NV96 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.2.1 Direct Rendering: Yes
(something is missing or failing).
-dantheman
@DtM - Looks like the Nouveau driver can't set the screen for the resolution given at the 60hz clock frequency. Try installing the NVidia control panel utility. It's in Software manager. Do a search for nvidia-settings. Hopefully a tweak there will solve the problem. If you need to manually replace a driver, post a message on the Mint forum since that can get a little hairy if you need to remove the old one first.
But first check <System Tools><System Settings> and scroll down to the hardware section. Open the Device Drivers panel and see if there's a proprietary driver available for your video subsystem that needs to be enabled.
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@40zh
That's better!
Went to the nvidia319 (recommended) in settings, rebooted things look better.
Thanks! :Thmbsup:
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well it looks good ,
I have been using mint13 cinnamon for sometime , So how does one update to newer version without losing all settings ?
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This tutorial seems to have made some happy people:
http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/62
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This tutorial seems to have made some happy people:
http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/62
-dantheman
Just be careful with doing that. Ubu-based distro upgrades don't always have happy endings when doing an apt-get-distro-upgrade. A lot of times you'll have a semi-broken or flaky system afterwards if you have a lot of libraries loaded from ppas as opposed to the official repositories. And especially if any of those ppas are Ubu version specific (i.e. there's one for Ubu Raring, one for Saucy, etc.) Those will all need to be manually updated to the correct versions before you run do a distro upgrade using apt if you want to avoid problems down the road.
Best bet is to backup your data (Note: most but not everything will be in the home directory so make sure you know where your apps store their data! Same thing goes for Windows upgrades btw.), have apt give you a list of what's installed, make a copy of your repository info - and ideally make a disk image of your entire machine in case total disaster strikes and you need to get back to where you were.
A clean or fresh "update" (i.e full clean replacement) is always your safest move.
It may be a pain, but it's a small pain that's worth putting up with where your own data is concerned.
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(P.S. I've never had a real catastrophe going from one version or distro to another. But there's always a first time so I still go all "Sunday School" and take the most cautious and conservative approach whenever upgrading an OS. And that also goes for any upgrades I do with Windows, OSX, or BSD. Nothing is ever perfect - and "stuff" happens. :huh:)
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Another good review of Mint 16: Petra can be found here (http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com/2013/12/linux-mint-16-petra-cinnamon-and-mate.html?m=1). Courtesy of the Linuxed (http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com/) blog ("Exploring Linux Distros"), it's well worth the read.
Linuxed is a good site to check before trying a new distro. They've saved a few downloads by identifying things that would be showstoppers for me. :Thmbsup:
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40hz, i believe the 'here' link is missing.
On the same wintery slope of reviews... i don't recall Dedoimedo ever so enthused about a linux distro here (http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-mint-petra.html).
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^thx Dan! Fixed now. :-[
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No problem and... thank you for introducing me to another good linux webpage! ;)
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I didn't really want to post this!
LinuxMint 16 Cinnamon installs the driver for the HP 1018 printer but it can never print anything.
Tried out Pinguy and there's no support for that printer either.
ElementaryOS (even if it keeps asking for user p.w. to install a driver at boot) works just fine.
Even if the later is nice and fast too, i still prefer LinuxMint Cinnamon.
Can't have your cake and icing.
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I didn't really want to post this!
LinuxMint 16 Cinnamon installs the driver for the HP 1018 printer but it can never print anything.
Tried out Pinguy and there's no support for that printer either.
ElementaryOS (even if it keeps asking for user p.w. to install a driver at boot) works just fine.
Even if the later is nice and fast too, i still prefer LinuxMint Cinnamon.
Can't have your cake and icing.
-dantheman
@Dan - before you get to this point:
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Lets try installing hplip and hplip-gui using either Synaptic or the Mint Software Manager.
Then, from the start menu, go to <Preferences><HPLIP Toolbox> and try installing your printer from there.
Luck! :Thmbsup:
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@40hz!
I really wasn't expecting any kind of miracle to happen here, but you just made my day!
hplip was already there so i went onto the next step hplip-gui and there was one item missing.
Installed that, then went to preferences and the HP toolbox told me i was missing a driver i managed to download from 'recommended' option and it worked!!! :Thmbsup:
Woohoooh!!! 8)
You should apply for a job a LinuxMint!
Muchos gracias hermano!
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@Dan - de nada
As you get more familiar and comfortable with Mint and Linux in general, pay the favor back to the community by helping someone else. Thats what this 'thing' is (supposedly) all about.
Onward! :Thmbsup: :)
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That's what i always try to do 40hz.
In fact, i went over to LM forums, not only post link and text of your solution but also [Solved] in the header (proper étiquette).
Suppose the CanoScan LiDE70 is a hopeless case though.
But that's okay, i'm not into big scanning projects lately.
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I looked up the LiDE70 because I have a LiDE30 that works flawlessly, and you are correct. The LiDE70 uses a different set of hardware altogether (Phillips chipset) and Canon's attitude toward Linux has been *ahem*... less than charitable. I got my 30 at a thrift store for $5.99; I bet you could probably find a similar deal on a more compatible scanner. Take this page (http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html)* with you on your phone or tablet for a quick check. :Thmbsup:
* http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html
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Thank you for the excellent footwork Edvard!
That webpage is another keeper for sure!
At least 40hz has spared me from doing what that bird did to its computer.
Quite the depiction that was! :D
Have that exact want when obliged to work with someone who still has Vista. :down:
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Too bad ScreenShotCaptor doesn't work in Linux.
With its own scan driver, it could have done the job replacing CanoScan's ?
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Ah, I should have been more clear as well... I am running Debian "Testing", not Linux Mint. I used to be a Ubuntu fan, but it has gone downhill since 9.10, IMNSHO. I went back to Debian and I've gotten along with it so well that I intend to stay.
Though I will admit Mint looks pretty slick...
-Edvard
Right before I lost interest entirely in Linux (but not the respect!) I became grumpy with uBuntu because at one particular point the box I was on simply stopped working between upgrades. Aka I had matching CD's in hand and whatever older copy of Ubuntu worked, the next couple of new ones didn't. (Provable, I loaded each like three times.) But at the time Linux Mint wasn't working for me either.
I ended up with some really obscure sub-sub-variant of Ubuntu with extra drivers added by the package dev by hand, and that worked. Presumably during whatever update of official Ubuntu that was, ____ driver got dropped or something.
But I hate to say it, I'm just stuck on Windows because as distractible as I am, Linux adventuring proved to be one too many things to handle! : ( So now I'm just on Windows because I'm tired/lazy because of all the little widgets that are on my comp.
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I have been playing more with a virtualized version of Mint and I must say that after installing the Krusader file manager the Mint experience improved 10-fold...for me at least. The default file manager wouldn't (or couldn't) connect to my shared drives using SAMBA. With Krusader there was no problem accessing the same drives. Apparently all file managers that come standard with any OS are too crippled to be of any use :P
There is still something to fix, though. VLC plays all videos on my (shared) drives fluently...in black and white. The other player that comes by default with Mint plays the same videos in color but 'choppy', no matter how much video RAM I make available to VirtualBox. And yes, all updates that come with VirtualBox, that have to be installed into the guest, are installed. A puzzle that is likely caused by the fact that I run it on a virtual machine that is molded into a portable version by the software of a 3rd party.
Anyway, I am convinced that Mint would do even better on "bare metal" and will advice others to use Mint if they want to jump ship or guide them with installing it on their system(s). Mint 16 has shown me that Linux has come a far way, since I have been trying it (my first distro was the official boxed set of Suse 7.0 which sold through the better book stores).
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@TaoPhenix,
Do tend to let myself be uselessly distracted by gadgets.
It's hard 'cause our eyes always want to see more and all the other senses too!
Windows 7 is truly one of the best Microsoft has ever come out with and i still don't know it as good as i should.
Too busy dabbing with various Linux distros and now, with a Google Nexus 7!
Handy stuff but also time consuming...
Must admit though, that LinuxMint 16 (especially Cinnamon), worthy to be installed over old Vista.
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Right before I lost interest entirely in Linux (but not the respect!) I became grumpy with uBuntu because at one particular point the box I was on simply stopped working between upgrades. Aka I had matching CD's in hand and whatever older copy of Ubuntu worked, the next couple of new ones didn't. (Provable, I loaded each like three times.) But at the time Linux Mint wasn't working for me either.
I ended up with some really obscure sub-sub-variant of Ubuntu with extra drivers added by the package dev by hand, and that worked. Presumably during whatever update of official Ubuntu that was, ____ driver got dropped or something.
But I hate to say it, I'm just stuck on Windows because as distractible as I am, Linux adventuring proved to be one too many things to handle! : ( So now I'm just on Windows because I'm tired/lazy because of all the little widgets that are on my comp.
-TaoPhoenix
Well, I'm glad you settled on what works for you instead of endless twiddling for more effort than worth. Never a good idea no matter what your loyalty. I have had experiences like that where certain computers and the attending hardware just would not play well with Linux, no matter what distro or combination of drivers. However, my tenacity was such that I usually ended up using a lower-spec box that ran relatively hassle-free rather than switch back to Windows, but that's just me :Thmbsup:
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Is it just me?
I find the sound from Youtube comes out better on headsets in LinuxMint.
Can't say the same for integrated speakers though.
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A friend of mine has Windows 8 and i tried to work with it - all i can say is 'yuck'!
Now i want to propose she dual boot with LM 16 but it's not a LTS so i was wondering if it is possible to upgrade when the time comes or is it better to re-install?
Wonder if 40hz has made it his definite OS?
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Too busy dabbing with various Linux distros and now, with a Google Nexus 7!-dantheman
You're installing Linux distros on your Nexus 7? O_o
Which ones?
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Windows 7 and Nexus 7 are mine.
The Windblows 8 is my friends.
Sorry Microsoft but i just can't appreci8.
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Too busy dabbing with various Linux distros and now, with a Google Nexus 7!-dantheman
You're installing Linux distros on your Nexus 7? O_o
Which ones?-Deozaan
Windows 7 and Nexus 7 are mine.
The Windblows 8 is my friends.
Sorry Microsoft but i just can't appreci8.
-dantheman
If that was a response to my above quote, I meant which Linux distros are you installing on your Nexus 7? But now I see I misunderstood what you wrote. You said you were busy dabbling with a Nexus 7. Not busy dabbling with putting various Linux distros ON a Nexus 7.
My mistake. (c:
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Not a problem! I've unfortunately done the same in the past. Apology accepted.
Did do some more homework and checked out at LinuxMint forums - the solution to dual booting Linux with Windows 8 is not an easy one!