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Title: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on November 10, 2008, 04:02 AM
At work, it looks like we will have to edit finished PDFs generated by a proprietary program.  Does anyone have any experience with the full version of Acrobat, or one of the other programs that claim to edit PDFs?  Is there anything that works like a normal editor/word processor does but with PDF as its standard format?

Thanks...

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Edvard on November 10, 2008, 04:47 AM
I'd have to give Acrobat (https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-US&event=displayCatalog&catalogOID=1647992) the benefit here. Expensive as it is, there really is none better.
You could try Foxit's pdf editing software (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/pe_intro.php), but I have no experience with it.
If it does what it says on the tin, then it's a steal at $99 usd, compared to Adobe's base price of $299 for Acrobat Standard to $699 for Acrobat Pro Extended.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: tomos on November 10, 2008, 04:54 AM
I remember Zaine recommended a couple of cheaper alternatives in his older (windows) Software list - maybe someone remembers or knows how to use google to find older webpages
(was one by Abby - Fine Printer people .. not sure though)
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: urlwolf on November 10, 2008, 04:55 AM
I'd Say PDFXchange. Not as expensive as acrobat, works well.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on November 10, 2008, 09:25 AM
Thanks, folks!   :)

The company decided to go with Acrobat 9 Standard Edition, which claims to be able to convert things into Microsoft Word format as well as do minor editing on the PDFs directly.  If the Word conversion works, it'll be useful in itself, as the third-party programs and services I'd tried for that have been hit or miss.  If there was less urgency to get the job done, I'd have looked harder at alternatives.

@tomos
Take a look at the Wayback Machine Internet archive (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php).  The trouble is, you need the original URL (or you did last time I looked) and of course, you're unlikely to still have it when you need it.

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on November 25, 2008, 05:12 AM
An addendum to this thread: the company bought Acrobat 9 Standard, and to my dismay, it can't really edit PDFs as you'd expect a word processor to.  This from its Help:


"It’s a fact that Adobe® PDF is unlike other document formats, in which you can freely copy, paste, and move text and images on a page. Instead, consider a PDF as a snapshot of your original file. Use Adobe® Acrobat® 9 Standard to touch up and enhance the file for readability and distribution, and reserve more substantial revisions for your source application."

The Advanced Editing TouchUp Text Tool is very hard to use.  It deleted text I hadn't marked, and screwed up formatting when I tried to add anything or to close up gaps.  Adobe 9 does not really convert into Word DOC format either.  The DOC output is only RTF with the extension changed, and very minor internal changes from "official" RTF output.  These RTFs do not always import properly into Word, which sometimes locks up with "This application is not responding" messages.  Strangely, they will import into WordPad 5.1, and if saved in WordPad, will then import into Word.  They needed much editing, especially of tables, so much so that it might have been better to get a skilled person to type parts of the file from scratch.

I briefly looked at the PDFXchange Web site, but it didn't look as if it offered editing.  Maybe I was in too much hurry.  Next I tried Edvard's suggestion of Foxit PDF Editor (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/pe_intro.php) - three cheers  :Thmbsup:, it works very well by comparison to Acrobat 9.  Editing still tends to be fiddly and time-consuming, but at least I can get what was wanted done.  At the time of writing Foxit are still offering a 10% Thanksgiving promotion, reducing the cost from $99 to $89.

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: f0dder on November 25, 2008, 06:00 AM
Perhaps you'd been better off using ABBYY FineReader (http://www.abbyy.com/) to OCR the documents into word format? :) Iirc it supports PDF source, and it has definitely worked wonders for the OCR jobs I've used it for at the museum. Not exactly cheap, though.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on November 25, 2008, 08:11 AM
Perhaps you'd been better off using ABBYY FineReader (http://www.abbyy.com/) to OCR the documents into word format?

I didn't think of that...  I more or less gave up on translation to Word after Acrobat itself, Zamzar (http://www.zamzar.com/) and Convert PDF to Word.net (http://convertpdftoword.net/Default.aspx) all failed to give usable results.  Sometimes I've wondered if there's a problem with the originating app.  I suppose the more complicated the source, the harder conversion will be.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Lutz_ on November 25, 2008, 10:32 AM
PDF editing is obviously very iffy - since PDF is a dedicated output format.
That said in my experience Adobe Acrobat is the worst product I have tried (horrible interface). I can only imagine it is need for some high, high, high end options that perhaps others do not offer. For everyday tasks I believe other programs are far better; I have tried the Foxit editor (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/pe_intro.php) and was impressed; I am using Nitro PDF Pro (http://www.nitropdf.com/professional/overview.htm) (got it very cheap at Fry's) and am very satisfied.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on November 25, 2008, 11:56 AM
Lutz_, no doubt I've asked this question and received an answer (from you or others) in the past, but does Nitro PDF also convert pdfs that are comprised of scanned images into searchable pdfs? Essentially, this would require the developer to ship Nitro PDF with OCR capabilities... I need a PDF solution for my XP machine and Scansoft won't do it (somehow manages to mess up the text in some of my applications - renders dialogues and things like the taskbar icon text into KOREAN?!).

Like the new avatar, BTW  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Lutz_ on November 25, 2008, 03:18 PM
Hello Darwin,
no, Nitro PDF does not do any OCR at all. It just embeds bitmaps and the created PDFs are consequently not fully searchable. I guess you have tried omnipage OCR?

Hope the avatar shows off my brain capacity.  :huh:
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on November 25, 2008, 03:27 PM
Hello Darwin,
no, Nitro PDF does not do any OCR at all. It just embeds bitmaps and the created PDFs are consequently not fully searchable. I guess you have tried omnipage OCR?

Hope the avatar shows off my brain capacity.  :huh:

As does mine! Actually, Amud 1 has the highest recorded cranial capacity of any known hominin... However, given that it's empty space... you get my drift!

At any rate, I have Omnipage Pro and ReadIris Pro and both work well  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: mateek on December 03, 2008, 12:37 AM
Everyone missed a PDF editor I've been using for a few years: PagePlusX3 (http://www.serif.com/pageplus/) is about three years more advanced than my version, but i don't do all that much PDF editing to care.  It's going for $100.  You're always going to run into locked and uneditable PDFs, but this puts out great looking rebate forms, or whatever you happen to need professional looking.  I like the interface, but I hope they've improved the page manager. 

I don't have any ads on my websites, but two of Serif's programs impressed me enough to make it the only advertisement on my website, unsolicited.  Of course, it doesn't hurt that I got emails for great bargains on out of date versions.

As for OCR, I've used ABBY and Omnipage, and I'd say it's pretty much a toss up between the two.

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Antonimo on December 03, 2008, 02:02 AM
Not sure if the OP is still interested, but ABC Amber PDF Converter might be worth a look. They make converters for almost anything - I have used / bought several in the past and they have been excellent.

Here is their opening blurb:
ABC Amber PDF Converter is a powerful tool which allows you to convert PDF to any document format (HTML, CHM, RTF, HLP, TXT, DOC, DBF, XML, CSV, XLS, MDB, DB, etc.) easily and quickly. You can export all pages or just selected pages, as plain text or as preview pictures.
http://www.processtext.com/abcpdf.html
Price: $12.95
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 03, 2008, 03:35 AM
Not sure if the OP is still interested, but ABC Amber PDF Converter might be worth a look.

I'd briefly looked at just a few programs and services, and decided that while Zamzar (http://www.zamzar.com/) came very close, none of them did a perfect job.  Besides, though I'd forgotten it when I started on this, Gizmo's TechSupportAlert premium edition newsletter did a group test of a number of converters.  He came to the same conclusion as I did, though he rated one of the commercial ones best, a whisker ahead of Zamzar.  However, at some point I suppose I'll have to take another look, making sure to try before I reach for my credit card this time...

@mateek:
I thought PagePlus was a DTP program, not a PDF editor?

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 03, 2008, 03:46 AM
does Nitro PDF also convert pdfs that are comprised of scanned images into searchable pdfs? Essentially, this would require the developer to ship Nitro PDF with OCR capabilities... I need a PDF solution for my XP machine

Darwin,

Have you looked at Able2Extract Professional (http://www.investintech.com/prod_a2e_pro.htm) ($129)?  I haven't tried it, but the Web site seems to suggest it has what you're looking for:


Able2Extract Professional 6.0 adds scanned (image) PDF conversion capabilities to the Able2Extract 6.0 feature set. For users working with documents that are paper based and need to be scanned or, have already been saved as image PDFs, Able2Extract Professional is the choice.

[Edit]
They have some cheaper options if you only need to convert to Word, not Excel or HTML or whatnot.  See their Product Comparison table (http://www.investintech.com/products/comparison/).
[/Edit]




Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: mateek on December 03, 2008, 09:20 AM
@mateek:
I thought PagePlus was a DTP program, not a PDF editor?

rjbull, it is a DTP, which I tend to forget, because I've never used it for anything but PDF editing.  Like I say, my version in about 3-4 years back (PagePlus11), and the interface was fairly crisp, so I didn't get distracted by other features at all.  That may have changed.  Serif doesn't seem to offer a trial, just a money back guarantee.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Dormouse on December 03, 2008, 10:41 AM
Of course, there's a whole range of PagePlus versions available - from SE (free) which won't export PDFs to 9 (which will) and 10, 11 to X3 which is the most recent. 9 is fairly cheap (under £10). All Serif software seems well recommended by its users for functionality and value, but I don't use it myself and so don't know the best value way in. The do use free older versions as a marketing technique and do appear to give discounts on newer versions to people who are upgrading.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 03, 2008, 10:59 AM
@mateek, Dormouse:

I've never tried Serif (http://www.serif.com/) stuff, but have never heard anything bad about it.  It tends to do fairly well in magazine group tests, for what those are worth, though seldom wins, and it sometimes turns up on "free" cover disks in the UK.

Maybe worth investigating, then; an interesting out-of-the-blue suggestion, too.  Thanks!   :)



Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Grorgy on December 03, 2008, 02:38 PM
Not sure how easy it is to find their free and cheap site so here it is if you haven't got it, http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/software/PagePlus/default.asp   

Looks like the free one won't do PDF but version 9 will which is under 10 dollars (or pounds) and version 10 is also very cheap compared to the new one.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 04, 2008, 04:34 AM
Not sure how easy it is to find their free and cheap site so here it is if you haven't got it,

Home page for Free Serif Software (http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/default.asp) which includes PhotoPlus, DrawPlus, 3DPlus and WebPlus as well as PagePlus.

Looks like the free one won't do PDF but version 9 will which is under 10 dollars (or pounds) and version 10 is also very cheap compared to the new one.

Thanks, Grorgy!  :)  I couldn't see any link to their older free offerings from the main Serif page...  On the free Serif software page I see SE and version 9, but not version 10.  Is that in limbo between low-cost 9 and PagePlus X3, waiting for an even newer version before it gets "remaindered?"

Turns out I had a disk with version 8 on it, but that's probably a bit too old now.


Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Grorgy on December 04, 2008, 05:16 AM
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/store/default.asp

No, they didn't make a mention of it, they aren't particularly forthcoming about their free and cheap stuff, anyway its in the value store, the link is above, v10 is $29.99.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cranioscopical on December 04, 2008, 09:09 AM
FWIW Serif PagePlus version 11 is advertised @ $29.99 at this link (http://www.serif.com/pageplus/pageplus11.asp?MC=SERPPCPP2_US).

What the blurb says of it
PagePlus 11 offers a range of new DTP features, including possibly its most powerful improvement ever: PDF import and editing! Now you can edit and save PDF files, just like any other PagePlus 11 document. This fantastic flexibility cannot be found in any other DTP program – at any price – you’ll wonder how you ever completed your desktop publishing projects without it!


I haven't any experience of this software so cannot comment on how "fantastic" this claimed ability might be.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 04, 2008, 10:23 AM
its in the value store, the link is above

Weird... a three-tier way of doing business?  Yet it seems to work for them.

Thanks for the Serif Value Store (http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/store/default.asp) link!


Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Grorgy on December 04, 2008, 10:36 AM
Yeah I agree, it does all seem a bit weird, I've only ever played with a bit of their software I've got off magazine cover disks, always seems ok but I've not used any of it long term.  But I am interested in this PDF editing ability, sounds particularly useful.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 04, 2008, 10:36 AM
FWIW Serif PagePlus version 11 is advertised @ $29.99 at this link (http://www.serif.com/pageplus/pageplus11.asp?MC=SERPPCPP2_US).
-cranioscopical (December 04, 2008, 09:09 AM)

£19.99.  Even stranger, they're offering 10 and 11 at the same prices.  Very hard to find your way around their latest and greatest offers.

I'd be interested to hear anyone's experiences of using Serif PagePlus 11 for editing PDFs, as if it works, it would be an unusually cheap approach.  Foxit PDF Editor is $99, for example, about £67.


Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cranioscopical on December 04, 2008, 02:03 PM
I'd be interested to hear anyone's experiences of using Serif PagePlus 11 for editing PDFs, as if it works, it would be an unusually cheap approach.  Foxit PDF Editor is $99, for example, about £67.
-rjbull
From the illustration on their site, showing pdf editing, it looks as though pdf editing is less flexible than one might hope... it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 04, 2008, 02:16 PM
I've got X2 installed and have *tried* to use it for PDF editing. It works, but not nearly as well as a dedicated PDF application. As Chris, notes, it lacks flexibilty. The few times I've tried using it to edit pdfs, I've wound up switching to Scansoft PDF Converter Pro.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 05, 2008, 05:01 AM
I've wound up switching to Scansoft PDF Converter Pro.

Is that the Nuance one?  I seem to remember someone complaining about problems with it?  Have you compared it with Able2Extract (http://www.investintech.com/)?
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 05, 2008, 09:21 AM
I've wound up switching to Scansoft PDF Converter Pro.

Is that the Nuance one?  I seem to remember someone complaining about problems with it?  Have you compared it with Able2Extract (http://www.investintech.com/)?


Er... yes, to the first two points! And I've complained about it from time to time - but then it usually comes down to me complaining about something! I've got it running very smoothly, now. THere is a system wide glitch with it under XP that took me YEARS to solve (I was looking in other places for the fault - realised where fault lay when I uninstalled PDFCP a while back) - certain programs default to (in my case) displaying titles, taskbar titles, and open and save dialogs in Korean (or some other language, presumably, on other systems). Works BRILLIANTLY under Vista, though.

Haven't had a chance to look at Able2Extract, yet. Will do so soon (deadlines to meet today).

Just had a look at the developer's product comparison table (http://www.investintech.com/products/comparison/) - AFAICT, Nuance's PDF Converter Professional 5 (http://www.nuance.com/pdfconverter/matrix/) (wish they'd do a matrix on one page) is much more feature rich, comes in one package and, as a result, is much cheaper. You can get PDFC Pro 5 for $99 (there's an Enterprise version with even more features for $149) - if you pay full price (usually not necessary) and it does everything on that table. To approximate the feature set of PDFC Pro, you'd need to buy both Sonic PDF Creator ($174.95) and Able2Extract Professional ($129).
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Lutz_ on December 06, 2008, 01:11 PM
Darwin, do you know if the PDF converter Pro has any advantages over Omnipage? - I had the impression that the Converter functionality might be a subset of the  tools of the omnipage package. I would certainly give it a try if there are some extras.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 06, 2008, 01:37 PM
Well... PDF Converter Professional can do a number of things, such as make a pdf searchable, allow you to modify and move blocks of text and pictures around, encrypt pdfs, etc. I actually have Omnipage as well, it will certianly do some of these things, but not as easily or as conveniently. I'm not an Omnipage power user by any stretch, so others may be able to provide more insight.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 08, 2008, 03:53 AM
Nuance's PDF Converter Professional 5 (http://www.nuance.com/pdfconverter/matrix/)

Thanks, I'd better take a look at it.  I hate these systems that won't let you download without you fill in a form and an e-mail address, though.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cranioscopical on December 08, 2008, 07:02 AM
Nuance's PDF Converter Professional 5 (http://www.nuance.com/pdfconverter/matrix/)

Thanks, I'd better take a look at it.  I hate these systems that won't let you download without you fill in a form and an e-mail address, though.


Let us know what you think if you do try it, please.
As for the form and e-mail address, that's just the modern way of selling your soul.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 08, 2008, 08:12 AM
Well... what's worse about Nuance (unless they've changed their tune of late) is that they won't let you run a trial of their software - you MUST buy it. The upside is that they've got a generous 90 day no questions asked return policy, which I have used without fanfare or drama twice. BTW, they should have most of their stuff on sale over the next two months - you might want to hold off in anticipation of that...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 08, 2008, 10:16 AM
Well... what's worse about Nuance (unless they've changed their tune of late) is that they won't let you run a trial of their software - you MUST buy it.

I admit I did that with Instant Text, and haven't regretted it (other than wishing I had it ten years ago).

The upside is that they've got a generous 90 day no questions asked return policy, which I have used without fanfare or drama twice.

Twice???   :o

BTW, they should have most of their stuff on sale over the next two months - you might want to hold off in anticipation of that...

If I can: my hand may be forced.  Do Nuance routinely have a winter discount?  Price is $99 as of this morning.  Unless you visit their UK site, in which case the price is £99, about $147   :mad:

I took a very quick look at a couple of their videos, but couldn't see what I was looking for.  Does the program have an editor-style search-and-replace, or would one have to work on every repeated text object separately?  In the latter case, it would probably be better to convert to Word .DOC.


Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 08, 2008, 10:52 AM

Twice???   :o

BTW, they should have most of their stuff on sale over the next two months - you might want to hold off in anticipation of that...

...Does the program have an editor-style search-and-replace, or would one have to work on every repeated text object separately?  In the latter case, it would probably be better to convert to Word .DOC.

In both cases I bought the software only to be offered large discounts at a later date, so I simply returned them and bought them again  :-[

RE: discounts, my experience is that they usually offer a discount around the middle/end of Decmeber. Often, this precedes a new release, but not every year. I guess you've nothing to lose, really - if you buy now and the sale DOES happen, you can pull my little stunt and return it, then buy at the discount!

Finally, in place text editing/search-and-replace... I'm going to test it now. I'll post back in a few minutes  :)

UPDATE: AFAICT there is no replace feature. However, you can both Find and Search throughout a document - Find functions more or less like Find in Word while Search reports back with a list of all occurences of the search term:

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Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 09, 2008, 03:55 AM
In both cases I bought the software only to be offered large discounts at a later date, so I simply returned them and bought them again  :-[

 ;D ;D

UPDATE: AFAICT there is no replace feature. However, you can both Find and Search throughout a document - Find functions more or less like Find in Word while Search reports back with a list of all occurences of the search term:

Thanks for checking!  Find sounds helpful.  At least you can easily get to the next point where you need to make a change.  There's nothing like that (AFAICS) in the current version of the Foxit PDF Editor.  Sounds like Search is like a grep.



Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: MikeMcLoughlin on December 09, 2008, 06:14 AM
Just to chip in - I have used Serif PagePlus X3 for editing some fairly complex PDFs (CAD drawings, forms with images, etc) and have found it to work extremely well. I think there's a trial version and there's normally discounts available from various sources.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 09, 2008, 09:22 AM
Thanks for posting that, Mike. I just gave my copy of PagePlusX2 a shot and it does have a very nice find and replace function. Almost makes me regret not jumping at the $29 upgrade to X3 I was offered recently! I"m going to play around with X2 some more - I've only test it with a pdf I generated from a text file - and report back here  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: mikiem on December 11, 2008, 10:27 AM
FWIW...
1 thing to remember when talking about, rating, trying PDF conversion &/or editing software, is that there are several ways, programs to create PDFs now days -- the PDFs created are not always the same internally. What works for PDFs created in one program might fail miserably on the output of another. There are quite a few cheaper PDF conversion programs out, but in my experience how well they work, or if they work at all depends on what created the PDF you feed them. A few examples with ratings/comments for Quick-PDF [http://www.quick-pdf.com/] can be found here [http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/category/quick-pdfcom/].

FWIW RE: Serif...
AFAIK -- & from what I can recall (which may not be *totally* accurate) -- Serif was started years & years ago by Russian coders going up against Adobe & quite possibly Aldus (it was that long ago) (assuming anyone else is old enough to remember Aldus). They had excellent products, but not a lot of marketing clout in a then very closed-minded publishing & graphics arts community, where it was felt your professional credibility rested on the price of your tools, not your results. I think they then started licensing code or collaborating on niche products like a vector-based Dinosaur Drawing program one of my boys used back in a grade school project, eventually I believe turning over marketing (or selling themselves?) to one of the mass marketers similar to Broderbund. Their initial DTP program was dumbed down a little to compete with the brand new Microsoft Publisher, over the years becoming the PagePlus discussed here. You'll usually find deals on their software on various shareware &/or PC magazine sites like vnunet, at software surplus sites, at discount PC parts & accessory sites, & sometimes in the cheap software racks in retail stores.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 11, 2008, 12:24 PM
@rjbull - I received an offer on PDF Converter Professional 5 today - $69.95. PM me if you'd like more information.

On other fronts, I wrote and thought I had posted a brief update on Serif PagePlus X2. Can't see/find it anywhere, so must be further down the path to senility than I thought  :o

At any rate, PP X2 is quite nice WRT its PDF editing capabilities. However, there are a couple of limitations that I'd like to highlight (though admittedly they are probably more related to entrenched perceptions of how things should be done on my part, thanks to years of working with first Adobe Acrobat and then the Scansoft/Nuance offerings):

1. I can see no way to scroll though a document a la Word procesor (and yes, I am aware that PP X2 is NOT a Word processor  ;)). True, one can view pages tiled across the work space, but this is not the same thing.
2. Unless one has an OCR application installed, there is no way that you can open a pdf that has been generated from image files together and edit the text. This is a serious limitation for many PDF editing applications.

Just my two bits.

I like PagePlus X2, but am much happier using PDFCP 5 to edit PDFs....  :P
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 11, 2008, 12:27 PM
PS to rjbull - should have noted that you can often pick up boxed versions of Nuance apps in places like Staples cheaper than the on-line discounts. I paid $79.95 US for the upgrade from PDFCP 4 to 5, having missed the opportunity to buy it for $79 Cdn. at Staples. At the time the Cdn. dollar was around parity so I didn't really care, and suspect that I saved a bit because I didn't have to pay any taxes on the download version! Besides, it's the "green" thing to do - who needs CDs/DVDs and all the packaging. But still...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cchian on December 11, 2008, 02:24 PM
Last week I recall Amazon.com and Buy.com advertising PDF Converter Professional 5 for about $62 shipped. Newegg has a downloadable version for $64.99. Prices seem to fluctuate often. The documentation indicates this product uses online activation. I am trying to decide between this product and Acrobat 9 Standard which I can get as an upgrade for $99.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 11, 2008, 02:57 PM
Last week I recall Amazon.com and Buy.com advertising PDF Converter Professional 5 for about $62 shipped. Newegg has a downloadable version for $64.99. Prices seem to fluctuate often. The documentation indicates this product uses online activation. I am trying to decide between this product and Acrobat 9 Standard which I can get as an upgrade for $99.

There you go! Can't really comment on the PDFCP vs Adobe Acrobat Std issue, though... My vague understanding is that PDFCP is roughly equivalent to Acrobat Standard, but I could be wrong about that. I no longer have any idea what features are included in what versions of Acrobat, so...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cchian on December 11, 2008, 03:29 PM
One feature Acrobat 9 Standard does that its previous version does not is the creation of Forms. You had to get Acrobat 8 Professional in order to do Forms.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 15, 2008, 04:39 AM
what's worse about Nuance (unless they've changed their tune of late) is that they won't let you run a trial of their software

They've changed their tune!  They just told me they now offer a 15-day trial, and also that it's a personal license to this extent:
The software is licensed per user so as long as it's no concurrent use you could use it at home and at work as long as it was licensed to the company.
   :up:




Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cchian on December 15, 2008, 04:40 PM
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on PDF Converter Professional. Bought it as a downloadable copy from Newegg.com for $64.99 plus today only (while funds last) they have a 15% back offer if you pay using PayPal. You would get the credit sometime in January.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 16, 2008, 05:02 AM
PS to rjbull - should have noted that you can often pick up boxed versions of Nuance apps in places like Staples cheaper than the on-line discounts.

We do have Staples in the UK, but I hardly ever get to places like that.  In fact I think I'd more or less forgotten about buying software from a retail outlet, expecting everything to be done online, and certainly anything worthwhile.

Thanks for the heads-up.  I'll try to make a detour next time I'm anywhere near a Staples, just to see what's on offer.

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: c0ltran3 on December 17, 2008, 12:49 PM
From this offer

http://web.avanquest.com/special_offers/2008_calendar/calendar.cfm?country_id=5&tr1=AQ_IT_EM_AD_EPDF_171208

you may download EpertPDF 4

ftp://ftp2.avanquest.com/pub/2008/IT/expertpdf_v4_avantquest_retail_ita.exe

code  5E34-C29C-916A-49AD-C29F-C5A7

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 23, 2008, 03:46 AM
Last week I recall Amazon.com and Buy.com advertising PDF Converter Professional 5 for about $62 shipped. Newegg has a downloadable version for $64.99.

@Darwin & cchian:

I'm in the UK.  I read the Newegg FAQ, contacted them about what it said, and this is part of their reply:

Unfortunately Newegg.com does not ship internationally at this time; we only deliver within the United States and to Puerto Rico. Perhaps in the future we will open our virtual shopping cart to other parts of the world but, at this time, we do not have the processes or man power to do so. We apologize greatly for the inconvenience this has caused.

Since we do not ship internationally, we also do not accept international credit/debit cards. We only accept credit/ debit cards that are issued in the U.S., from a U.S. Bank.

This despite the offer being a download rather than physical shipment.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 23, 2008, 06:26 AM
Crap! I can't even offer to get this for you and send you the download link as I don't qualify either  :o
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Dormouse on December 23, 2008, 06:37 AM

Since we do not ship internationally, we also do not accept international credit/debit cards. We only accept credit/ debit cards that are issued in the U.S., from a U.S. Bank.

This despite the offer being a download rather than physical shipment.


Have you tried a virtual debit/credit card such as paypal's?
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 23, 2008, 09:22 AM
Have you tried a virtual debit/credit card such as paypal's?

I didn't spot a PayPal link, though I wasn't looking for one.  Did I miss it?

@Darwin: the bottom of the Newegg page says "Shop by Region: United States  Canada  China"  so you should be all right.  Are Newegg confused about their own policies?

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Dormouse on December 23, 2008, 12:52 PM
I didn't spot a PayPal link, though I wasn't looking for one.  Did I miss it?

I think they stopped doing PayPal.
A virtual debit/credit card is not the same as paypal even if it is one done by paypal. Their one works as a standard Mastercard, but you only have the amount of money you are spending with that retailer on it. It's a system to avoid giving your real credit card details to retailers you aren't sure of, but it seems it might circumvent this difficulty.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cchian on December 23, 2008, 02:09 PM
I just checked and can confirm that Newegg still takes PayPal, on the payment screen I see the following options: Credit Card, Paypal, Mail Payment. I received my download link and serial number the day after placing the order.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on December 28, 2008, 04:24 PM
But as I'm in the UK, my PayPal account is PayPal Europe, which is in Luxemburg.  So Newegg  could still say that it's a "foreign" payment.  Oh, well.

Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Dormouse on December 28, 2008, 05:11 PM
See here
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: cchian on December 28, 2008, 11:57 PM
I guess in the end it depends on each store. You could also check on eBay...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 29, 2008, 10:25 AM
Avanquest US is flogging Nitro PDF Professional for $49.95 at the moment (couldn't find Nitro on the UK site). I've purchased from the UK store in the past (from Canada), so assume that you should be able to buy from the US store? At any rate, worth a look, I think. The only thing that I can see that is not "built in" is OCR functionality, but that's easily overcome if you have an OCR app on your computer (if you even care about it?).
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 29, 2008, 11:09 AM
PS Both Carol and Zaine have had good things to say about NitroPDF in the past...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Lutz_ on December 29, 2008, 11:44 AM
Nitro PDF, even free today (after  mail in rebate; US only):
http://shop3.frys.com/product/5756842
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on December 29, 2008, 12:01 PM
- I seem to have forgotten what homepage it is that will make my browser appear as if I am situated in another country. Can someone tell me the name of it, please?

Edited:
I should state that it was not a desktop solution, but an online page. It was not mentioned at https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=12455.0
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on December 29, 2008, 12:40 PM
Nitro PDF, even free today (after  mail in rebate; US only):
http://shop3.frys.com/product/5756842

- the link in the rebate giving pdf form is >webate.avanquestusa.com<, which no browser will find.
Did you use the offer yourself, Lutz?
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 29, 2008, 01:29 PM
That's weird, Curt, webate.avanquestusa.com opens fine for me. It won't help you much, though, as the rebate is only available to people located in the US and Canada (you'll need a US/Canadian postal address as the rebate cheque will be posted to you).
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on December 29, 2008, 01:40 PM
- yes, it opens fine, now, I see, but I was trying to reach it from the inside of the pdf, and Firefox+PdfXchange Viewer wouldn't let me - said there could be no such link.

Rebate cheque by postal service? Hmm... so it really is a short termed loan?

Besides, the normal price for a new Nitro Pdf PRO at Avanquest-USA(server placed in UK)'s is listed as $80, not the $60 FRYS.com is telling. Wonder if they are trying to sell out an older version? It wouldn't be the first time!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 29, 2008, 04:05 PM
FWIW - Firefox + Adobe Reader 9 did let me open the link from within the pdf  :P

The pricing of NitroPDF is confusing - it's usually listed as $99. Avanquest's offer is based on a discount from $79.95 and Fry's is offering it for $59.99... Makes one wonder about the markup on software!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Lutz_ on December 29, 2008, 08:53 PM
Crazy rebate deals are "normal" at Fry's.  The products are usually perfectly up to date. Just some good old fashioned price dumping to get the customers into the store (the deals are more frequent in their brick and mortar outlets).  AFAIK, the majority of the customers then never fill out the rebate paperwork and they still make some money.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: patteo on December 29, 2008, 09:30 PM
A Spanner in the works - Just in case anyone is interested Nitro PDF Professional for $49.95 after applying Coupon: NITRO30

Nitro PDF Professional
   $49.95

Create, convert & edit PDF documents 300% Faster than Adobe Acrobat.
http://www.avanquest.com/USA/pc-utilities/pdf-ocr/Nitro_PDF_Professional.html?tr1=AQ_US_EM_NITRO_1208&cc=NITRO30&utm_source=aqlist&utm_medium=email&utm_content=infolink&utm_campaign=nitropdf
Tue Dec 30 2008 11:27:36 GMT+0800
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Carol Haynes on December 30, 2008, 05:30 AM
My only comments about NitroPDF are that it isn't as comprehensive as Adobe's products and the license is fairly restrictive (unless they have loosened it considerably since I last used it). Very much locked to one machine. Also upgrades are expensive to future versions. I found that NitroPDF doesn't support all the objects that can be embedded into PDF files. This may or may not be a problem for you but I bought a commercial eBook on my digital camera which included some animated effects that did not work in Nitro. Nitro doesn't play well with Adobe products installed at the same tiome so you may find you have to remove current reader software (I seem to recall it automatically removed Adobe Reader when I installed it).

Another commercial product worth considering is www.jawspdf.com

Their desktop suite is cheaper than NitroPDF, their upgrades regular and realtively cheap and their software is solid. I haven't used recent versions of Jaws products but the only downside I remember was that the editor was slow to open PDF files - but PDF creation via the Print menu was as fast as anything I'd seen.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Carol Haynes on December 30, 2008, 05:34 AM
PS - even if you are in Euro zone or the US if you buy from Jaws pay in UK pounds. At the current exchange rates it will be cheaper in pounds as they don't seem to have recently updated the prices. (Currently £1 is worth 1 Euro, give or take a cent, and $1.47)

Note Jaws does not support Vista64 platforms but does support XP64
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: blikksem on January 07, 2009, 09:00 AM
I received an upgrade discount offer (60%) for Expert PDF 6 , so it works out at about $22.
It has quite a few PDF editing features.
Is anyone using it or can anyone comment about this release?
The version I have is V3
Thanks
Edit:
visagesoft expertpdf features (http://www.visagesoft.com/products/expertpdf/features.php)
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on January 07, 2009, 12:41 PM
Hi bklikksem - I received the same offer this morning and have the same questions... I have no recollection of having any earlier release installed, so can't really compare - even by looking at the spec sheet. Hopefully someone else will come along with an answer!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on January 07, 2009, 02:21 PM
- I am using it. I don't think about it; it does the job. I am not sure why I upgraded to version 6, version 5 worked well. I guess it is the same old syndrome: it is new, and that is the reason! Actually, I just might recommend any other pdf editor as well. I am using this one because I almost never bothers to EDIT my pdf files, but I will very often "print to pdf" - which it does well.

Edited:
- oh yes, and I use it because it has this "add to file". Select some text on the Internet or in another file, and have it added to the text in a pdf file from your store. Nice feature!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on January 07, 2009, 02:41 PM
That feature does sound nice, Curt. Does it work with Firefox? I ask because all of my internet archiving solutions (AskSam, NetSnippets, and Evernote 2) are unavailable to me in FF  :(
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: blikksem on January 07, 2009, 02:48 PM
Curt, thanks for the feedback
I'm still not sure if it's worth the $22 though.
Pity they don't have a trial version
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Carol Haynes on January 07, 2009, 04:03 PM
Why is Evernote2 missing FF ? (And NetSnippets if it comes to that).

OK the add-ins may say they are incompatible but it is worth giving them a try any way (just switch of compatibility testing in about:config). I bet you find both work just fine (I know Evernote 2.2 does).
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on January 07, 2009, 04:06 PM
Why is Evernote2 missing FF ? (And NetSnippets if it comes to that).

OK the add-ins may say they are incompatible but it is worth giving them a try any way (just switch of compatibility testing in about:config). I bet you find both work just fine (I know Evernote 2.2 does).

 :-[ Never thought to do that... Right, off to give it a go now!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Carol Haynes on January 07, 2009, 05:40 PM
A better way of doing it is to update the version number in the add-on (just rename the xpi installer file to a zip extension, unzip it, finsd the relevant text file with the version numbers and extend the life of the add-on to the current version of FF you are using, then zip it all up again, change it back to an xpi file and install it).

Alternatively install MrTech add-on and it adds the option to Make Compatible in the extensions context menu. This doesn't require that the about:config is tweaked to ignore compatibility issues.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: nontroppo on January 11, 2009, 09:32 AM
I often get asked for PDF annotation software by friends. On OS X, Preview can fill forms, and the magnificent Skim can annotate and add arbitrary text all for free. Payware-wise, PDFPen Pro is really nice.

On windows, most of the things I've tried are clunky. However I recently tried PDF-XCHANGE viewer, and it seems to be the best of the bunch for free. Most importantly, the annotations are later editable which is good, and I can get interoperability with PDFPen on OS X for collaborative notes cross-platform.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on December 29, 2009, 01:05 PM
edited: on second thought this may be for existing customers only - they only ask you to paste your existing license code AFTER the purchase has been made - but I am really not sure.
----

Back to the initial subject: a recommendable pdf EDITOR:

Nitro PDF Professional v6 + OCR upgrade

will be launched in January 2010 but is on offer right now:
http://www.nitropdf.com/newsletters/end_year_50off.htm

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Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 29, 2009, 02:37 PM
This could be a winner, Curt. If they retain the OCR version price as the upgrade price for future versions, it will be a bargain. For now, I'm sticking with Nuance's PDF Converter Pro, but I have two licenses for Nitro PDF Professional 6 that I have installed on other computers. Quite impressive, though I am under-whelmed with its start up speed! Another plus is that they offer true 32 bit and 64 bit versions, which classes them ahead of Nuance. With OCR, they will be very competitive. Crumb, I'm quite tempted to pre-order the OCR version...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on December 29, 2009, 05:57 PM
I should add that my price ended at $92 because of VAT and a $10 "OCR upgrade assurance" (whatever that might be). This price made me a little sad.

Also, the reason for Nitro's slow launching is of course, that it doesn't have a speed launcher placed in Start! hahahadobe.

I was looking at Nuance and was tempted, but the price tag kept me from even trialing it.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 29, 2009, 11:08 PM
I was looking at Nuance and was tempted, but the price tag kept me from even trialing it.

I usually buy it on sale - often I can buy the full version (not an upgrade) for less than Nuance's normal upgrade pricing if I wait for one of their (frequent) sales. Thus, I bought a full copy of version 6 Pro for $59.99! However, Curt, I think that you are onto a good thing with Nitro  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on December 30, 2009, 02:55 AM
- thanks for the positive thoughts, Darwin. I hope you will be right, because those $92 made it my single most expensive upgrade!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on December 30, 2009, 11:15 AM
- thanks for the positive thoughts, Darwin. I hope you will be right, because those $92 made it my single most expensive upgrade!

Glad to help! BTW, I think the $10 OCR upgrade assurance gives you a year of free upgrades should they decide to release Nitro Pro OCR 7.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on January 27, 2010, 10:43 AM
I don't know if this is recommendable as it is being promoted by Avanquest; but I am a little impressed that it actually offers to edit the text in PDF files:

http://www.avanquest.com/USA/software/lightning-pdf-professional-127164?meta=pc-utilities&cat=pdf-converter-software

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The Fastest, Easiest Way to Create, Convert & Edit PDF Documents!

Lightning PDF Professional is the complete PDF alternative to Adobe Acrobat specifically designed for business users. All PDF files created are 100% industry-standard and fully compatible with any PDF viewer. It includes these amazing features:

    * Create PDF files from 300+ file types
    * Edit PDF content - fix typos, remove and change text & graphics
    * Quickly convert PDF files for use in Microsoft® Word
    * Control how people use PDF files you share using 128-bit encryption
    * Built-in PDF file viewer for reviewing PDF files

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Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: 134679aa on January 28, 2010, 05:54 AM
¸Ðл, Grorgy :D ;D
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 28, 2010, 06:37 AM
I don't know if this is recommendable as it is being promoted by Avanquest; but I am a little impressed that it actually offers to edit the text and images in PDF files:

Are you going to give it a go Curt? I'd be interested in how it goes converting back to Word, RTF or whatever...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on January 28, 2010, 06:50 AM
- no, thank you, I just spend an awful lot of money on Nitro 6 Pro OCR, so I am stuffed...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 28, 2010, 06:57 AM
 :) Elegant sufficiency I hope
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on January 28, 2010, 08:30 AM
- oh yes, thank you.
Nitro Pro is also a very capable converter.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on January 30, 2010, 02:44 PM
   * Edit PDF content - fix typos, remove and change text & graphics

I'd be interested to know what they mean by "Edit."  By the looks of what they say, it sounds a bit like Foxit.  Yes, you can change things, but it's a bit like using peelable Letraset, or a kindergarten cut-and-stick job.  It isn't remotely like using a word processor.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on January 30, 2010, 05:33 PM
..., you can change things, but it's a bit like using peelable Letraset, or a kindergarten cut-and-stick job.  It isn't remotely like using a word processor.

so you feel sure it will treat the pdf as if it is an image and not a text file?
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: dcm on January 31, 2010, 04:45 PM
I tried Lightning PDF Professional, but it would not install without removing another PDF tool - maybe Expert PDF 6.

When I asked support if Lightning was an upgrade from Expert, they could not tell me.

I asked for a refund and was given another long distance number to call, and they asked for a lengthy response to a "Letter of Destruction for Avanquest Software".

Now I have to wait up to 30 days for a refund.

Just a warning...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on January 31, 2010, 05:23 PM
..., you can change things, but it's a bit like using peelable Letraset, or a kindergarten cut-and-stick job.  It isn't remotely like using a word processor.

so you feel sure it will treat the pdf as if it is an image and not a text file?
Without trying Lightning PDF  I obviously can't be certain, but, Foxit PDF Editor knows what the component objects of a PDF are.  I haven't tried its graphics abilities, but it can edit graphics (sort of simple form of Paint, I think).  It knows text objects are a different kind of thing, and allows you to perform actions on them like delete individual letters or add new ones, or, to move the whole text object complete.  That last feature is like you had that block of text printed on a transparent sheet, and moved the whole sheet to a different location as a unit.  Foxit also has various features like alignment that I didn't discover when I was using it at work (haven't had to use it for a while, going rusty).
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on March 09, 2011, 04:48 PM
Earlier versions of Serif PagePlus were criticised for not handling PDF files properly (or at all), but "now" Serif is making a big noise about the "new" (almost half a year old) PagePlus X5's PDF capabilities:


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Impressive PDF Editing

Import and edit documents from anywhere and enjoy real compatibility with customers, colleagues, business partners, web browsers and print shops!

Edit Everything in PDFs
Break the mould for a desktop publisher and edit PDF documents as if they were regular PagePlus publications: change text, fonts, layout, colors, images, page order, add and delete pages, merge PDFs, add new content, correct changes in PDFs you receive, and more!

Publish Designs as PDF for Professional Compatibility
PDFs made by PagePlus can be optimized for professional printing, desktop printing, viewing online, highly optimized for email, and can be viewed on other PCs, Macs, tablets, laptops, netbooks and smartphones. Plus you’ll get accurate prints thanks to PDF/X-1a compliance for commercial presses and print shops!

Create Interactive e-Brochures, Forms and Documents
Add hyperlinks and more to traditional documents to make attractive electronic brochures you can publish as efficient PDFs for easy sharing or hosting online. PagePlus’ forms are also printable PDFs so a design can be filled in by hand and sent by post, or completed electronically… with the completed form data sent to you by email, for free.

...
-Serif PagePlus

The offer's link included my email address, so you will have to find the proper page yourself.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: iphigenie on March 10, 2011, 03:21 AM
I have both Nitro Pro and PDF Annotator - both are useful in different ways - happy to answer some questions if anyone is curious
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: rjbull on March 10, 2011, 03:00 PM
Serif is making a big noise about the "new" (almost half a year old) PagePlus X5's PDF capabilities

Hmmm...  I have X4, maybe I should consider responding to their e-mails about upgrading, as long as I can use a coupon.  On the other hand, I already have both Foxit and Infix...
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on April 16, 2011, 11:22 AM
... PagePlus X5's PDF capabilities
Hmmm...  I have X4, maybe I should consider responding to their e-mails about upgrading, as long as I can use a coupon.  On the other hand, I already have both Foxit and Infix...

-maybe, and maybe not.

A relative advanced PDF file (that my genuine pdf editors had no problem with) made PagePlus X5 give these messages:


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Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Ath on April 16, 2011, 02:03 PM
A relative advanced PDF file (that my genuine pdf editors had no problem with) made PagePlus X5 give these messages:

Isn't the first message the most informative? There it says that it doesn't support all those advanced new pdf features after Pdf1.3 :o
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on April 16, 2011, 05:05 PM
-and what pdf version are we using now?
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Ath on April 16, 2011, 05:26 PM
Depends on the Pdf creator you're using, I guess, but here's the wiki page on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on April 17, 2011, 04:54 AM
-thanks

Adobe's PDF specifications

Adobe changed the PDF specification several times and continues to develop new specifications with new versions of Adobe Acrobat. There have been nine versions of PDF with corresponding Acrobat releases:

    * (1993) – PDF 1.0 / Acrobat 1.0
    * (1994) – PDF 1.1 / Acrobat 2.0
    * (1996) – PDF 1.2 / Acrobat 3.0
    * (1999) – PDF 1.3 / Acrobat 4.0
    * (2001) – PDF 1.4 / Acrobat 5.0
    * (2003) – PDF 1.5 / Acrobat 6.0
    * (2005) – PDF 1.6 / Acrobat 7.0
    * (2006) – PDF 1.7 / Acrobat 8.0
    * (2008) – PDF 1.7, Adobe Extension Level 3 / Acrobat 9.0
    * (2009) – PDF 1.7, Adobe Extension Level 5 / Acrobat 9.1

The ISO standard ISO 32000-1:2008 is equivalent to Adobe's PDF 1.7.
Adobe declared that it is not producing a PDF 1.8 Reference.

PDF 2.0

A new version of PDF standard is under development under the name ISO/NP 32000-2 - Document management—Portable document format—Part 2: PDF 2.0 (as of January 2011). Adobe has submitted the Adobe Extension Level 5 and Adobe Extension Level 3 specifications to ISO for inclusion into the next version of the ISO 32000 specification. Adobe declared they have all been accepted for part 2 of ISO 32000
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: CleverCat on April 17, 2011, 05:34 AM
This may not do 'everything', but I find I'm using it more and more! Especially the pdf preview(Free Version)

Look for the Free version if you're 'short of cash'  ;D

http://www.debenu.com/quick-pdf-tools/index.php

CC
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on April 17, 2011, 07:30 AM
http://www.debenu.com/quick-pdf-tools/index.php
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Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: CleverCat on April 18, 2011, 03:16 AM
 :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: anodyne on May 05, 2011, 09:31 PM
I was looking for a PDF editor to fix some irritating typos and inaccuracies in PDFs of boardgame rules before printing them (many specialty boardgame publishers provide additional copies of their rules in freely-downloadable PDFs).  I had tried PDFEDIT (GPL'd software) under Linux, but it was quite buggy and the user interface was horrible.

So I downloaded demo versions of a couple of programs that work under WinXP: Nitro PDF Professional 6 (demo is full version, limited to 14 days), and Foxit PDF Editor 2.2 (demo version puts an "evaluation mark" at the corner of each page).  The non-crippled version of each has a purchase price of $99.

Using the PDF I currently wanted to fix, I first tried Nitro.  I could not edit text successfully (perhaps because the font was an embedded subset, but that's pure speculation based on general ignorance of PDF technology), and gave up after about an hour fiddling with different things.  I then tried Foxit on the same PDF, and it worked like a charm.  I was able to change text and add text immediately. Later I added a transparent graphic, also very easily. It was easy to learn to use, and the user interface was intuitive. The program Help was very good, and the 140-page manual seems to cover things pretty well.

For reference, the PDF I used was marked as PDF 1.6, produced by QuarkXPress 7.5.

My impression is that the Foxit Editor is oriented towards modification of existing PDFs rather than creation of new ones (though it can do that).  Since that's what I want it for, it looks perfect for me.  The only issue (for the amount of use I will make of it) is the price, although it's only one-third of the cost of Adobe Acrobat.

Based on an extremely limited sample of PDFs :), I give a :Thmbsup: to Foxit PDF Editor 2.2, and I expect I will end up forking out that $99 (after I've tested compatibility with a few more PDFs).
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: ewemoa on July 26, 2011, 04:39 AM
I had tried PDFEDIT (GPL'd software) under Linux, but it was quite buggy and the user interface was horrible.
I've used it a bit for minor edits.  I've been lucky enough to not hit any bugs so far, but agree that the UI is less than stellar.

Still, I'm happy to have something!
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on July 26, 2011, 08:15 AM
I was looking for a PDF editor .... So I downloaded ... Foxit PDF Editor 2.2
The non-crippled version has a purchase price of $99.

It has been less than 3 months, but already the $99 Foxit version 2.2 is gone and has been replaced by a $129 Foxit PhantomPDF Standard or a $199 PhantomPDF Business. For editing, they recommend the Business model.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/products/phantomPDF/

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Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Tuxman on July 28, 2011, 09:41 AM
I've been using Nitro PDF for a while now. Although its UI is bloated and slow, I like it ..  :P
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on July 28, 2011, 10:10 AM
-@Tuxman, do you print to pdf from your Internet browser and much too often find that Nitro has made the proper title of the file disappear and replaced it with Untitled.pdf?
Mine does this quite often, and it is disappointing. I have not been able to spot any pattern in when it does or doesn't.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Tuxman on July 28, 2011, 10:14 AM
Hmm, while the file name defaults to Untitled.pdf, I haven't experienced title loss yet. Maybe I should keep an eye on that.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on April 27, 2012, 04:15 AM
Due to the normal asking price, I have not yet tried this myself:

PagePlus X6 also makes for a killer PDF editor, with functions that include the ability to open, edit, and save PDFs, share PDF forms, and more.
-Bits du Jour

"50% off" -deal coming "soon": http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/pageplus-x6/

Full PDF editing and broad compatibility

Fully edit PDFs from anywhere, with more flexibility than any other desktop publishing software – ideal for updating and refreshing existing documents or correcting errors in PDFs before they are distributed or printed. Full PDF editing power lets you move, resize, recolour, replace anything in the design, add new text and images, include bookmarks and notes, merge multiple PDFs, manage pages, and add security. It’s like editing a normal PagePlus file – there is nothing you can’t do!

Editing PDFs is easy with PagePlus X6 (see video)
http://www.serif.com/pageplus/
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: TaoPhoenix on April 27, 2012, 07:20 AM
This is one of the longer running threads, so I'll bring up the topic of Adobe again. Much earlier posts remarked on interface problems - for Acrobat 10 Adobe put about half of the features into a sliding command bar on the right side. It looks simple enough to me. Meanwhile, a big new feature in Adobe Pro is it can mostly compare two PDFs and annotate a report with the differences. So sometimes if the "flagship program" in a field can keep innovating, it knocks out a lot of the alternatives.  So for editing, it's Adobe Pro for me.

But for reading, I like exploring some of the smaller apps.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: CleverCat on May 06, 2012, 03:07 AM
If you don't have an aversion to Facebook... ;D

http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-get-50-pdf-creator-free.htm
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on May 06, 2012, 08:46 AM
Courtesy of my employment at a community college, I bought a $90 license for Adobe Acrobat X Pro and it's a thing of beauty. This post constitutes my  :Thmbsup: +1 to TaoPhoenix' commet above.
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on May 06, 2012, 10:39 AM
I bought a $90 license for Adobe Acrobat X Pro

-I must get myself a new job!
The price in Denmark is DKK 5,212.50 = US $920  :o
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Tuxman on May 06, 2012, 10:48 AM
Buy Nitro PDF instead.  8)
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Curt on May 06, 2012, 10:56 AM
-I already have Nitro 7 Pro, but have reached the level where I no longer am satisfied. It is a very fine editor and converter, but the virtual printer (print homepage article to pdf) is not impressive. Of course the sinner could be Firefox, I don't know for sure.


Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Tuxman on May 06, 2012, 11:04 AM
Ask the devs? :)
Title: Re: Editor for PDFs: recommendations, please?
Post by: Darwin on May 07, 2012, 08:05 AM
I bought a $90 license for Adobe Acrobat X Pro

-I must get myself a new job!
The price in Denmark is DKK 5,212.50 = US $920  :o


The MSRP regular price here in Canada is north of $450... which is insane. $920 is ludicrous :(