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Title: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2013, 10:09 AM

I thought we might try adding a new section of the forum specifically for discussion of non-Windows software (and hardware), so here it is!

I know we have lots of people on DC that love linux, embedded hardware like Raspberry Pi, mac, android and ios, and it's probably time we had a special section for such discussions.  It would also be a good place to discuss cross-platform software, and may also be a good place to discuss non-windows related hardware.

Don't be shy about posting here -- it may take a little while for this section to reach critical mass.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Gothi[c] on August 30, 2013, 10:24 AM

The lengths you will go to just to get me to post... :D

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2013, 11:28 AM

(https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/5Large/TFR1E0.gif)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: rgdot on August 30, 2013, 12:32 PM

Can I add my +1 to a Linux and Android section?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2013, 12:42 PM

No need for any more +1s, the section has already been added and we're in it :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Gothi[c] on August 30, 2013, 01:12 PM

I'm kind of hoping this forum section doesn't get hijacked by the tablet/phone crowd :(

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2013, 01:13 PM

Come on gothic, there's plenty of room for everyone. :P

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 30, 2013, 01:13 PM

Ok...no +1.

How about:

ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!
ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!
ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!
ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!ThankYou!

 :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 30, 2013, 01:15 PM

Is that w

I'm kind of hoping this forum section doesn't get hijacked by the tablet/phone crowd :(

-Gothi[c] (August 30, 2013, 01:12 PM)

Amen. :Thmbsup:

Come on gothic, there's plenty of room for everyone. :P

-mouser (August 30, 2013, 01:13 PM)

Also true. ;D

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Gothi[c] on August 30, 2013, 01:28 PM

Come on gothic, there's plenty of room for everyone.

Actually, as it stands now on most of the unmoderated internet, there isn't.
Postings related to popular technologies and platforms drive out the more obscure things (which is logical because they are popular).
The problem with this is that there is no place for people who are actually interested in these obscure things.
When anything is allowed, the "wisdom" of crowds governs, which in practice drives everything towards monoculture.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: rgdot on August 30, 2013, 01:49 PM

Thank you

Spoiler

NOW someone help me with Ubuntu/Mint wifi performance :D

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 30, 2013, 01:57 PM

Come on gothic, there's plenty of room for everyone.

Actually, as it stands now on most of the unmoderated internet, there isn't.
Postings related to popular technologies and platforms drive out the more obscure things (which is logical because they are popular).
The problem with this is that there is no place for people who are actually interested in these obscure things.
When anything is allowed, the "wisdom" of crowds governs, which in practice drives everything towards monoculture.

-Gothi[c] (August 30, 2013, 01:28 PM)

Agree. The gravity well generated by the appearance of the "most mediocre choice" rivals that of a black hole.  ;D

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2013, 03:28 PM

Come on gothic, there's plenty of room for everyone.

Actually, as it stands now on most of the unmoderated internet, there isn't.
Postings related to popular technologies and platforms drive out the more obscure things (which is logical because they are popular).
The problem with this is that there is no place for people who are actually interested in these obscure things.
When anything is allowed, the "wisdom" of crowds governs, which in practice drives everything towards monoculture.

-Gothi[c] (August 30, 2013, 01:28 PM)

but dc hasn't typically been like that, has it?**


**edit/ or maybe that's the way you see the current software board - what with it being windows focused lol

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: ewemoa on August 30, 2013, 08:15 PM

I'm kind of hoping this forum section doesn't get hijacked by the tablet/phone crowd :(

-Gothi[c] (August 30, 2013, 01:12 PM)

May be that can be grounds for the creation of a non-tablet, non-phone, non-windows section ;)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: rsatrioadi on August 31, 2013, 02:43 AM

This is great news! :D

I've been a DC lurker for years, but since I fully switched to Linux a couple years ago (plus a Mac just about a month ago), most software discussions and coding snacks here no longer apply to me. This new section will definitely change that. :Thmbsup:

(Interestingly my phone is a Lumia. Talk about diversity. :P)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: cyberdiva on August 31, 2013, 08:59 AM

I'm kind of hoping this forum section doesn't get hijacked by the tablet/phone crowd :(

-Gothi[c] (August 30, 2013, 01:12 PM)

I'm somewhat apprehensive, too, but perhaps for the opposite reason.  I'd love to see a separate forum section devoted to the "tablet/phone crowd," and a separate one for the Linux folks, and perhaps other separate ones as well.  Having one section devoted to tablets/phones/Linux/mac/etc. doesn't seem to me much of an advance over having no "others" section at all.   I should note, however, that I'm often very wrong in my predictions, and perhaps that will be the case here as well.  :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 10:07 AM

I want a FreeBSD section.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: rgdot on August 31, 2013, 10:40 AM

Where is OS/2 section?  :mad:




 :P

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 10:43 AM

No one uses OS/2.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 11:03 AM

I want a FreeBSD section.

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 10:07 AM)

Start making solid informational posts on a regular basis about BSD and maybe Mouser will give one. :mrgreen:

(Ditto to everybody else who wants their own special sections. ;) 8))

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 11:10 AM

I'm still looking for a solid informational post about Linux here.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 11:12 AM

Suggestion:

Since this is a potpourri section right now, how about if we prefix all threads with a tag in all caps?

Something like: ANDROID, BSD, FOSS, IOS, LINUX, MAC, MULTI (for multi-platform), SOLARIS, etc.

Example: LINUX: Remmina - superb remote access client

That should let people to quickly zero in on what interests them, and allow for easier searches down the road.

 :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2013, 11:15 AM

good idea 40hz.

if the section gets active enough we can consider splitting it up into multiple sections.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 11:16 AM

"Linux" and "minor Linux rip-offs"?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 11:17 AM

"Linux" and "minor Linux rip-offs"?

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 11:16 AM)

I'm still looking for a solid informational post about Linux here.

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 11:10 AM)

And I'm still hoping for some actual content - and a few less snarky comebacks - from some folks.

Guess we all have a dream... :-\

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 11:21 AM

You know what happened to the guy who had a dream?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Gothi[c] on August 31, 2013, 01:12 PM

I want a FreeBSD section.

You can also post about FreeBSD in this section.
I tried to tell mouser that writing that this section is for "Linux" and whatever else he has listed is a bad idea, but he tends to ignore my advise :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 01:16 PM

Also, "embedded" includes Windows.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Edvard on August 31, 2013, 01:41 PM

The "etc." at the end of the topic heading "A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc." and the fact that the section is entitled "Non-Windows Software" would apparently include FreeBSD, [whatever]BSD, OS/2, Haiku, FreeDOS, VisopSys, Amiga (yes, it's still being developed and hardware produced), FreeVMS, KolibriOS, AROS, DearGodMakeItStopOS, etc. and all flavors of GNU/Linux you can dream up.



So quit yer bitchin'  >:(

I'm still looking for a solid informational post about Linux here.

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 11:10 AM)

Be my guest...

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 01:42 PM

So "cross-platform" means "every platform except Windows" too?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 02:25 PM

Cross-platform (in my world) means something available for more than one OS (e.g. Filezilla, which has versions available for Linux, Mac and Windows); or something like NASA's World Wind which is not OS dependent since it runs under Java.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 02:29 PM

So FileZilla (available for Windows) is allowed here, embedded Windows is not although this is called "embedded"?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2013, 02:57 PM

Any software that runs on any operating system/device that is not Microsoft Windows desktop operating system is suitable for discussion in this section (even if it also runs on Windows desktop).

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 02:59 PM

Does WINE count then?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 06:53 PM

There are times when I sincerely wonder why I bother posting anything here at all.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Edvard on August 31, 2013, 08:22 PM

WINE itself would count, because it is software intended to run on a non-windows system.  Discussing things like how to make [software package] run on WINE may be a gray area, and (in my opinion) MUCH better discussed on the WINE boards.  Software that runs on WINE... read the section heading and do the math.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Edvard on August 31, 2013, 08:28 PM

I would also say that discussion of cross-platform software here would be best limited to it's performance on non-Windows systems. 
For example, discussing Firefox in general would be more appropriate on the main software board.  Running Firefox on Haiku would be preferably discussed here.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 08:31 PM

Why should cross-platform software (like Firefox) behave so different on Haiku that it should get a separate subforum?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: barney on August 31, 2013, 09:24 PM

People!  The management announced a new area.  Instead of kvetching about it and trying to microdefine it to death, why not post something relevant?!?  You got Linux?  Post Linux-ish.  You got BSD?  Post BSD-ish. You got OS/2?  Post OS/2-ish.  This thread is on page two (2), approaching page three (3), and I've yet to see anything productive posted save for the initial announcement and a few desktops.  Quit trying to micromanage it and start posting.  If you get outside the section parameters, I'm certain that someone will so inform you.  In the meantime, quit trolling.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

quit trolling

-barney (August 31, 2013, 09:24 PM)

+1

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 09:27 PM

The problem is that the posting rules here are not defined clearly enough, and before I receive a warning for off-topic posting in this sacred Linux-friendly area (seriously, did we actually need this?!), I'd like to get to know the actual restrictions. According to the description of this section, everything is allowed here. Where to post "embedded Windows" topics? There is no area for that.

(We could all get rid of this two-page discussion if mouser had announced this area before so we as the board members could have made the rules...)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 09:35 PM

^There aren't rules so much as there general conventions which almost everybody here seems to understand without the need to have them spelled out in extreme detail.

in this sacred Linux-friendly area (seriously, did we actually need this?!

Most of us here just see Linux as another OS - not some religious battle that you seem to see it as.

Seriously, does anybody here really need you when you get like this? :-\

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 09:37 PM

Feel free to put me on your filter list if you don't need me. Where exactly do I put tirades against Linux? I'd assume reading is not one of your strengths?

"We don't need a Linux section" means that I don't like Linux? Get real.

"General conventions" are fine, but they need refinements to be applicable. Non-applicable conventions are bullshit.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 09:39 PM

Here we go again folks!

(And BTW, this forum doesn't support filtering the posts of specific members - just their PMs.)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 09:43 PM

"General conventions" are fine, but they need refinements to be applicable. Non-applicable conventions are bullshit.

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 09:37 PM)

Ditto non-applicable comments. :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 09:45 PM

Like yours? While I guess I gave you a couple of reasons why this section in its current state (with the current "rules") is pointless, I see no reason from your side why I am wrong, except "ZOMG EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS DAT!!1". I'm not quite convinced, sorry.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2013, 10:00 PM

I'm not quite convinced, sorry.

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 09:45 PM)

It still stands whether you're convinced or not. Your personal agreement is neither relevant nor required for the purposes of this particular sub-board. Or any other, really. And that just about wraps it up for me. Please feel free to continue on by yourself if you like. Good-night.
 :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 10:02 PM

My personal agreement needs refinement, which is something the staff here should care about. According to your profile, you are not a staff member but a random spammer with an ugly penguin in the badges. Now what? Good night.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: barney on August 31, 2013, 11:47 PM

My personal agreement needs refinement, which is something the staff here should care about. According to your profile, you are not a staff member but a random spammer with an ugly penguin in the badges. Now what? Good night.

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 10:02 PM)

Perhaps I missed something, but just what does your personal agreement have to do with matters?  This is something that was decided, without your personal approval, I'll grant, but you are not a staff member either.  If you don't like things, leave.  The rest of us can do without trolling.  This ain't your personal ballpark ... the rest of us play here, too.  We'd prefer to do it without constant contention.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 11:50 PM

You dislike being pointed at wrong assumptions?

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: barney on August 31, 2013, 11:58 PM

You dislike being pointed at wrong assumptions?

-Tuxman (August 31, 2013, 11:50 PM)

No.  I dislike trolls, your antagonistic approach.  And, those assumptions are yours, not mine.  I'll have no more to do with you, sir or madam.  Fare thee well.

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: Tuxman on August 31, 2013, 11:58 PM

Bye then!

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: app103 on September 01, 2013, 06:46 PM

Stop worrying about it and nitpicking over hypotheticals. Just post something!

And if you post it to the wrong section, a moderator will just move it to the correct section, without putting you through a meat grinder and barbequing your remains.  :)

Title: Re: A new section for Linux, cross-platform code, embedded, mac, android, ios, etc.
Post by: wraith808 on September 03, 2013, 02:10 PM

^ thanks app. :)