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Title: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: Paul Keith on September 03, 2008, 01:26 AM
Unorthodox Notetaker/To Do:

Is there a better version of Incollector for both Windows and Linux?
Quality:

1. Easy to export
2. None-notepad like (template box)
Problem:

As much as Incollector is my preferred bookmarking and snippets taker because of it's non-writing notes feel and easy on the eyes preview of contents, it doesn't have a one box template where you can just write something without putting a title on it.

How do you use Wiki-style notetakers? (I can’t seem to get my head around on how a wiki-style’d note is easier to read than other kind of notepads. In Wikipedia alone I can find myself clogging my browser with 100 tabs opened all from starting with one Wikipedia article)
Is there a similar but better program than YeahWrite? Often times when I paste paragraphs in Outline mode, each paragraph break gets inserted into an Outline so I have to re-edit it. Also I like the cross between Latex style formatting and word processing because I’ve yet to learn Latex yet.
Other Problems:

I couldn't get YeahWrite to work in Wine but it's probably because I don't know how to import fonts in Wine. At the same time though, I'm also starting to see breaks in my Yeahwrite on Windows. I wonder if it's because I started changing the language for non-unicode programs into Japanese in the regional settings of my Windows.

Exporting is also hard to figure out with all the letters and stuff.

Is there a to do list/notetaker aimed at the “important but not urgent” “Important but urgent” “not important and not urgent” and “not important and urgent” system? I know that this can be done on paper but I’m looking for something like a grid over grid software.
Ex. You create 4 full squares with entries fitting each of these criteria on a specific category but then it zooms out and scales off and handles all your entries into another box.

What’s the best software for organizing quotes? I always seem to fail when using paper, word processors or spreadsheets because the output is not that of a level of an offline quote database. Yes, I love popup wisdom but am looking for something less random and more structured in categories.
Is there a to do list software which can organize a to do list into “must do” and “like to do” column after the entries were inputted? Sort of like ThinkingRock’s process item section. No tagging please.
Backup:

How to determine which free/freemium online file storage is reputable and won’t die down one day. I’ve heard of ftp but I don’t know how those work.
Quality:

Won't suddenly store all your backups if you've become dirt poor and can't afford their monthly subscription services. After all, what's the point of having an online backup service if it's only while your rich or can afford to pay it? Might as well settle for an external hard disk.

P.S. It's only for personal usage.
Currently considering:

Jungledisk
Problem:

I need to shell out cash to test it out.


Writer Tools:

Are there any other free novel writing software besides ywriter4?
Problem:

Novel writing software can be hard to get used to as is so i'm hoping to get a selection of different softwares to see the difference and realize what makes for a quality novel writing software that would work for me.

I’ve never understood word processors and spreadsheets programs. What are the advanced options available to it that might be of use to a casual surfer or writer? I ask this because I can never fathom how a newbie (as in someone with totally no idea except for a keyword) can go to Google and do “internet research” and become slightly less credible than an expert but you tend to hear that many things that require books can be found free on the internet, you just have to go look for it. Unfortunately when I do, it often gets pushed back in a corner of my bookmark or some place else. I know often times it can fall just under sheer determination but I was just wondering if there’s a key in notetaking or using word processors that allow people to do proper research and proper learning especially in this information overload age.
RSS:

What offline rss reader has the best specs or is configured for lots of rss but slow reading (I think online rss readers tend to remove articles of a certain date or number)
I'm currently using Google Reader now but to be honest I'm not really comfortable using it. I much preferred the lightweight feeling of a desktop rss reader outside my browser but when I try to set all my feeds to update, it just slows down my 1gb ram pc.

At first I settled for Opera's RSS Reader but then I got annoyed because I realize I still needed to open a browser everytime and I'm already in tab hell. Then I settled for nfreader and at first it was the lightest rss reader I used but then it slows down too. This isn't helped by the fact that I have a disorganized list of RSS that I'm still organizing that has around 300 feeds. Around 50 probably not so important ones like programming blogs because I don't know how to get into that and hope to gleam some information from those, craigslist and other blogs for monitoring and the usual about.com, wired.com kind of feeds with several categories.

Memory Hogs:

Is there a lighter version of ThinkingRock?
Quality:

Cross-OS
Template Box-Style entering that doesn’t disappear once an entry has been entered (allows for quicker addition of items)
Exportable
Filter Mode or Process Thoughts Filter as the program calls it (This is the key for me to stay organized as notepad like GTD programs are too hackish to make me comfortable to jot down notes on them and leave them be because their structure produce temptations to turn them into black holes)
Problem:

It's a Java program so I can't multitask with it because I usually have around 200 tabs opened which slows down my 1gb PC and I don't know what specs is recommended to alleviate this problem. (100 tabs in Firefox, 100 tabs in Opera sans sessioned tabs)

Research Tools:

Is PDF the key to having a basic highlight/annotation word reader? What else can be used that way? Alternatively, is there a better alternative to the Scrapbook firefox extension for annotating/highlighting webpages and saving them? I can’t seem to quite grasp the export - import option and it’s the only thing I’ve found that can have one kind of highlight overlapping another highlight without hacking a word processor's macro.
Also is there an offline equivalent to Diigo that is just as easy to use?
Problem:

Online applications are slower and needs browser to be opened and highlights webpages only.
I've just found out recently that diigo prioritizes annotated highlights over normal highlights so in the expand view of the bookmarks page, if you try to use Diigo as a cliff's notes viewer of what you want, the end result is that the page is disorganized because the annotated highlight is on top instead of how the article entries are order based on their locations on the webpage.

How do you use Zotero?
I also should probably ask this in the Zotero forums but I'm not sure if this is a bibliographical or citation newbie question or a Zotero question. Also I read a topic here that once praised this forum over Opera's own because it's friendlier so I thought I'd start here for all my software questions.

Customization:

Programs with plugins, is there an easier way to learn them? Besides the new FF3 plugin search, every program with plugins seems to be overwhelming to figure out. Sure, some are manageable because there are few plugins or that a non-expert can differentiate between a plugin that they need or don’t need but once it devolves into something like Miranda plugins or bblean, plugin searching devolves into looking for pages and pages of features trying to sort them out and often times asking for help results into what I need but many of the plugins I want often times come from me not even considering them. (Ex. FF Taboo’s firefox extension) or worse, from me realizing that I don’t need them or I'm so messed up that I don’t realize I need to learn them first but have tried them already. (Ex. Losing Scrapbooks because I never thought of focusing on exporting/importing because at the time I wasn’t educated to the need for backups)
Is there an easier way of previewing RAM without using a RAM optimizer?
How do you use advanced clipboard manager’s options? One of the features or habits I’m looking for is to be able to copy paste multiple entries in any order and then be able to re-arrange them so that each ctrl+v results into the next entry and the next entry being pasted but using basic clipboard managers, I only go so far as two copies before I have to self organize the entries.
Windows Vista: Why do people prefer it over a dual boot Xp and Linux?
I know the common reasons, I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial because it seems it should be a disaster but I read people using it.


Applications with the feature “from commandline”? How does that work?
What can I say, commandline tools seems like the most minimalistic programs but I have no idea how to quickly get the frame of mind to use them. File managers especially. I keep reading this real men's file managers over real men's file managers but for the love of God, I'm already losing my vision staring at a dual pane and asking myself "How am I productive because of you?"

Is there a Windows equivalent to PCMan File Manager?
Do you recommend any guides for setting up a minimal OS for a casual user?
I've tried Puppy before but somehow I ended up botching things up and I can't reboot from my session from a livecd and it's not set up for hard disk installation from what I read in the past. Besides that, I find Linux to be a poor minimalist OS right now because you either have to be an advanced user or you'll always hit the deadend of the problematic AbiWord/OpenOffice syndrome.
Meanwhile I'm really aiming for bblean but that is also like trying to tackle a Linux interface. It's taking time and I have to probably have to lurk in their forums to understand all the plugins thing and how it is different from litestep and other things.
Basically what I really want is a free desktop with a PIM, MS Word fast word processor or even better a Yeah Write like fast word processor, both ThinkingRock and Compendium opened and both Firefox and Opera opened each with 1000 tabs (ok, that's a large estimate but it would be oh so nice if there's an OS that can handle that) and have all these small systray apps like Incollector, Pop-Up Wisdom, Antivirus/Antispyware if necessary, launchy, desktop lighter, pop-up wisdom, firstcap, process explorer, ram optimizer and virtual desktop all without slowing down but I don't know how to set this up.

Security:

Public computers. They still scare me because of the threat of keyloggers. If needed to sign into an account, what’s the best option/software to securely do it? Does copy pasting from a password manager really work because I use a clipboard manager and it still captures the entries.
Problem temporarily solved:

I now use LastPass and it has a virtual keyboard so that makes me feel safer but I'm still not sure if that's enough. I would try portable browsers but they can be a bitch to customize and I have no idea how the whole Tor thing works.

What’s the key difference between anonymous browsing and private browsing and are the benefits worth it?
Misc.

What is the 2nd best most efficient and cheapest way to take notes while showering
Obviously I can use my brain but I was wondering if there's a cheap trick to getting a notebook that doesn't get wet without buying a customized one. It seems anytime I have an idea, it's when I'm showering and it can get highly annoying to forget what I write but then again, I still haven't solved the mystery of how anyone could have a dream journal because when I try to have one, all I can do is input keywords with my eyes closed otherwise it becomes too much a bother.

What is a Newsgroup reader?
I think I know what a Usenet group is but I just don't get how useful a reader is when you can just go to a browser and visit Google Groups or Yahoo Groups.

What are some recommended softwares for making forum formatting easier?

I've already tried jotting notes down and re-organizing them but as you can see, with this level of texts, it just too much to format at times and it still comes out jumbled.
Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: tomos on September 03, 2008, 02:26 AM
I get the feeling you might be better starting a few different threads ( otherwise we could simply move most of the forum into this thread ;D )
or at least number your questions so it's easier to respond & keep track of who's talking about what - it's actually very difficult to see where you move from one major question/theme to the next

Have you tried the search here -
there's lately been a few good threads about online backup for example, a good mini-review of Jungle Disk
another thread was titled something with Carbonite
Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: Paul Keith on September 03, 2008, 02:59 AM
Yes, I have. Actually I've been talking to someone on the DC chatroom and I've pretty much concluded to let this topic stay here for awhile as I try to to separate the threads since I was recommended to post some of the notetaking questions in this thread (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2362.0) but I haven't finished reading it.

Thanks for the reference though. I did read both topics and unfortunately neither of them gave any clues as to what would happen if I suddenly got stranded on an island, lost all my money and 50 years later come back to the service. I know it sounds extreme but I just don't see the point of online backup services if their level of reliability is just a costlier external disk that you have to regularly maintain with your wallet.


Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: tomos on September 03, 2008, 03:55 AM
I just don't see the point of online backup services if their level of reliability is just a costlier external disk that you have to regularly maintain with your wallet.

it's an interesting point - would you hope that they simply hold the backup until you pay up ?
Obviously better than deleting it all - of course if they do this too quickly they'll get a bad rep very quickly
Impression I get is that people feel more secure with paid backup options than free ones but that's not much help really

- I'm using JungleDisk/Amazon S3 myself - do you know you dont actually need JungleDisk to use S3 backup facilities - there is an open source (I think) S3Drive (http://www.s3drive.net/) which works in a similar way - I havent heard anything about in a while but got good reviews over the last couple of years. Cost of actually trying out S3 is minimal unless you're uploading hundreds of GBs straight away :-)
You may have to read terms of agreement etc (scary thought) to find out what happens if you dont pay

Still think you should separate the topics more within the first post - I get a headache trying to read it !
Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: Paul Keith on September 03, 2008, 04:40 AM
it's an interesting point - would you hope that they simply hold the backup until you pay up ?

I don't think that would fly from a business sense (sorry if you were being sarcastic) but to be honest I don't know how these online backup services appeal to anyone in the first place.

It would probably be interesting if they added in something like extra cash = permastorage but I can just see the rich ones abusing that feature and leaving them dry. Also in order for that to be convenient, a company would have to break your privacy by allocating some data as a permanent storage and others on a subscription level and it does seem rather stupid that you would charging your paying customer an additional charge for basically the same purpose.

I did read something like that but I haven't heard of S3Drive before. Based on the screenshots, it reminds me of GDrive using S3. (I'll be honest, I don't really have the techie knowledge to understand what S3 is)

That's my dilemma though. I just don't feel that extra security for paid storage because I'm not notable enough to need extra security and I bet most poor or middle class people are in the same position. I think what these paid services appeal to me is stability and longevity but the model...I don't know. I can't envision an alternative model for a lifetime backup though and for the occasional back-up if not external hard disks, there are lots of free software with syncing features already.

Ex.:

Evernote for Notes
Google Docs for Documents
Topic Scape for Mindmaps
Diigo for bookmarks, annotations and highlights

That pretty much encompasses what I really need to back-up with the exception of some quirky file extensions like ThinkingRock and Compendium exports and I'm just looking for a safety net service of sorts besides my own memory because you never know when these services can fall. That holds true for the back up  service too but that's why I made a thread asking about this.

I think everyone has potentially the capability to have notes and other PC snippets that would be useless to everyone else but would be valuable to them to the extent that their greatest fear isn't to lose these files because someone manage to extract these data because they didn't use TrueCrypt but rather because they fear that one day, they won't be able to gain the luxury of the internet or a PC and that keeping their usb sticks or external hds aren't really the most reliable way to store their back ups especially in a disaster scenario. I probably fall under that and it might sound paranoid but I wouldn't really categorize it as any less different than someone who uses TrueCrypt or other ways to make file access inconvenient for them for the sake of security.

Still think you should separate the topics more within the first post - I get a headache trying to read it !

Same here that's why I added this last entry:

What are some recommended softwares for making forum formatting easier?

I've already tried jotting notes down and re-organizing them but as you can see, with this level of texts, it just too much to format at times and it still comes out jumbled.

Any suggestion would be much appreciated. I'm still reading that notetaking thread.

Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: tomos on September 03, 2008, 06:52 AM
1. no, I wasnt being sarcastic :)

(I'll be honest, I don't really have the techie knowledge to understand what S3 is)
about my level :)
all I know is I can backup stuff there - they did run into some trouble lately with it but people were in general impressed with how they responded (they were very open about the problems & how they were fixed) and nothing was lost.

JungleDisk does make it very simple
The S3Drive makes it very simple too - but I dont know how simple it is to set it up
some screenshots here (http://www.suchwerk.net/sodcms_S3Drive_at_work.htm).  I had a tutorial bookmarked or saved at some stage but cant find it ...
Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
Post by: tomos on September 03, 2008, 07:01 AM
re formatting -
one way could be to use the table button

click edit on your post
then select say, the first batch of text
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
then click the table button (top of image there)
you end up with this
[table]TEXT HERE[/table]

e.g
  • Is there a lighter version of Incollector for both Windows and Linux?

Quality:

1. Easy to export
2. None-notepad like (template box)

Problem:

As much as Incollector is my preferred bookmarking and snippets taker because of it's non-writing notes feel and easy on the eyes preview of contents, it doesn't have a one box template where you can just write something without putting a title on it.
    -
    • How to determine which free/freemium online file storage is reputable and won’t die down one day. I’ve heard of ftp but I don’t know how those work.

    Quality:

    Won't suddenly store all your backups if you've become dirt poor and can't afford their monthly subscription services. After all, what's the point of having an online backup service if it's only while your rich or can afford to pay it? Might as well settle for an external hard disk.

    P.S. It's only for personal usage.

    Currently considering:

    Jungledisk

    Problem:

    I need to shell out cash to test it out.
    but it's not such a big deal ...[/list]
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 03, 2008, 07:39 AM
    Thanks. I'll try to do that.

    Edit: Phew! How's that?
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Lashiec on September 03, 2008, 10:17 AM
    Take notes in the shower? What the...? :huh:. I'll try to answer a couple questions, anyway.

    What offline rss reader has the best specs or is configured for lots of rss but slow reading (I think online rss readers tend to remove articles of a certain date or number)

    I'm currently using Google Reader now but to be honest I'm not really comfortable using it. I much preferred the lightweight feeling of a desktop rss reader outside my browser but when I try to set all my feeds to update, it just slows down my 1gb ram pc.

    At first I settled for Opera's RSS Reader but then I got annoyed because I realize I still needed to open a browser everytime and I'm already in tab hell. Then I settled for nfreader and at first it was the lightest rss reader I used but then it slows down too. This isn't helped by the fact that I have a disorganized list of RSS that I'm still organizing that has around 300 feeds. Around 50 probably not so important ones like programming blogs because I don't know how to get into that and hope to gleam some information from those, craigslist and other blogs for monitoring and the usual about.com, wired.com kind of feeds with several categories.

    We already have a few threads about those (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=search2;search=rss+reader) around here, but personally I recommend Feed Demon. It's quite fast, with an excellent interface, and various features to control how you read the feeds, and when they should be eliminated from the system, although by default it stores up to 200 entries per feed subscription. It's also the one that gives fewer problems with feeds, others tend to have problems with certain feeds, or ignore parts of them. You can do all the reading inside it as well, as it uses tabs and the IE engine to show them. But feel free to try the rest as well, I also recommend Newzie, for its unique set of features.

    Programs with plugins, is there an easier way to learn them? Besides the new FF3 plugin search, every program with plugins seems to be overwhelming to figure out. Sure, some are manageable because there are few plugins or that a non-expert can differentiate between a plugin that they need or don’t need but once it devolves into something like Miranda plugins or bblean, plugin searching devolves into looking for pages and pages of features trying to sort them out and often times asking for help results into what I need but many of the plugins I want often times come from me not even considering them. (Ex. FF Taboo’s firefox extension) or worse, from me realizing that I don’t need them or I'm so messed up that I don’t realize I need to learn them first but have tried them already. (Ex. Losing Scrapbooks because I never thought of focusing on exporting/importing because at the time I wasn’t educated to the need for backups)

    Don't even try to go through all plugins of a certain application, most times you are just losing time. The best approach IMO is to search for a plugin that provides some functionality you need, trying everything is fun for a while, but no recommendable. Like, "Wow, I'd like to do x with the browser", and you go to the plugin page, and search for it.

    Is there an easier way of previewing RAM without using a RAM optimizer?

    The Task Manager?

    How do you use advanced clipboard manager’s options? One of the features or habits I’m looking for is to be able to copy paste multiple entries in any order and then be able to re-arrange them so that each ctrl+v results into the next entry and the next entry being pasted but using basic clipboard managers, I only go so far as two copies before I have to self organize the entries.

    That sounds like Skrommel's ClipStep (https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/index.html#ClipStep). Or try ClipX (http://bluemars.org/clipx/) if you want some basic interface to manipulate clipboard contents, apart from extending it.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 03, 2008, 10:32 AM
    That sounds like Skrommel's ClipStep (https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/index.html#ClipStep). Or try ClipX (http://bluemars.org/clipx/) if you want some basic interface to manipulate clipboard contents, apart from extending it.

    that's been worked on a good bit since by TWmailrec -
    http://twm.dcmembers.com/

    first post looks a lot better all right Paul  :Thmbsup:
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 03, 2008, 01:34 PM
    Are there any other free novel writing software besides ywriter4?

    re: Writing Software

    (Ah! A topic near and dear to me!)

    Could you narrow down what writing function(s) you're looking for? The Writer's Store uses the following categories, which could give you some ideas to start with:

        * Story Planning
        * Craft Development
        * Outline / Brainstorming
        * Script Formatters
        * Word Processing
        * Film Production & Business

    If you could give me an idea of what you want to do, I'd be glad to make some suggestions. :)

    re: Zotero


    The best place to look would be back at the mothership itself. Zotero documentation can be found at the following link:

    http://www.zotero.org/documentation/
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 03, 2008, 04:04 PM
    Take notes in the shower? What the...? . I'll try to answer a couple questions, anyway.

    Yeah, it's something I dare not ask the planner people but I probably should. I just felt like putting it in since many dabble here in notetaking and in the past it hasn't stop sites like Lifehacker which focuses mainly on software to have a topic on it. (Although I couldn't find the topic on Google now. It referred to an uncomfortable for outside while it's raining notetaking utility.)

    We already have a few threads about those around here, but personally I recommend Feed Demon. It's quite fast, with an excellent interface, and various features to control how you read the feeds, and when they should be eliminated from the system, although by default it stores up to 200 entries per feed subscription. It's also the one that gives fewer problems with feeds, others tend to have problems with certain feeds, or ignore parts of them. You can do all the reading inside it as well, as it uses tabs and the IE engine to show them. But feel free to try the rest as well, I also recommend Newzie, for its unique set of features.

    Yeah, I've read many of those kind of threads both from within and outside DC. Are you sure Feed Demon can? I've tried it before and it looked heavy in comparison to something like NFreader although I wasn't able to fully try it because I'm using a XP with a botched attempt of removing IE only to find that IE is more than a browser then I had to reinstall it only now it doesn't show images so I never got into fully importing all my RSS into Feed Demon.

    With Newzie, it's just not for me. I've heard of it before, read some of it's past bugs (not sure if it's more stable now) but all those features is most likely going to take it's toll on my system.

    Again I don't doubt you and I don't have adequate knowledge or patience to count how much specific memory consumption Feed Demon uses but I'm rather skeptical because we're talking about a fully featured desktop rss reader possibly being able to consume less memory than a bare bones portable rss reader with the same amount of feeds.

    Don't even try to go through all plugins of a certain application, most times you are just losing time. The best approach IMO is to search for a plugin that provides some functionality you need, trying everything is fun for a while, but no recommendable. Like, "Wow, I'd like to do x with the browser", and you go to the plugin page, and search for it.

    The problem with this is that often times there might be a functionality I might dearly need but I wouldn't know of until I switched programs.

    Take the history feature of Meebo which saves previous conversation or a logging feature of a irc client. Little features that I find useful if things go too fast for me or I need to recall something but since I don't have a technical framework to understand how to have this feature in, I often suffer through just reading stuff like "Miranda/Pidgin is the best once you have all this plugins set up or yeah <insert x> Mirc scripts/plugins is awesome without really knowing what these people are talking about since I do want all these great features they're talking about but I'm just an average user who was indoctrinated to messengers with the Yahoo Messenger and used Mirc before because it was a program that allows you to chat that I keep hearing.

    The Task Manager?

    To be honest, I don't know where it is in the task manager. I'm using Process Explorer btw. If you mean the default task manager, don't you have to open it first which by the time your apps are eating too much, would be too late?

    That sounds like Skrommel's ClipStep. Or try ClipX if you want some basic interface to manipulate clipboard contents, apart from extending it.

    Yeah, those are the applications that led me to ask because I don't even know where to begin with all the features in them. All I use now is Ditto for Windows and Klipper for Linux and the only advanced feature I know of how to use is to set up groups.

    first post looks a lot better all right Paul

    Whew! Thanks. That was a pain to redo but at least I've learned something new. I've never tried putting tables before.

    (Ah! A topic near and dear to me!)

    Could you narrow down what writing function(s) you're looking for? The Writer's Store uses the following categories, which could give you some ideas to start with:

        * Story Planning
        * Craft Development
        * Outline / Brainstorming
        * Script Formatters
        * Word Processing
        * Film Production & Business

    If you could give me an idea of what you want to do, I'd be glad to make some suggestions.

    Wow...err... I honestly don't know which to choose. I'm just a writer who hasn't really finished a story and one day said "that's it, I'm going to surround myself with the right environment and poop out a passionate turd!" and novel writing software just sounds to me like something that would help instill good writing habits within me at a less costlier price than workshops because I don't know one near here.  I have read articles and books on writing though, I just at this point want to really do what it takes to up the quality and content of my stories aside from just writing often to get better.

    All I know is that a novel writing software based on reading ywriter4 is a story planner and a future editor for when things needed to be changed so that's probably my primary intention when looking for one but story planning is such a vague term in itself. From the way it sounds it can fall under brainstorming either and yet at the same time it can also fall under such vague things like listing down your characters which is something I don't naturally do when I write/type before.

    Craft development is something I haven't heard of before and I don't quite understand.

    An outliner is something I want but not for the reasons of outlining but more for getting a better preview of what I've written which I don't find easy on many tree-based outliners so I'm on the fence with this one.

    Brainstorming...I wouldn't mind suggestions but not having really used a novel writing software with suggested brainstorming before, I'm not sure I really need this because I rarely have problems with writer's block. More often it's writer's idea overload which leads to writer's too much self criticism leading to procrastination leading to unfinished work.

    I probably don't need Script Formatters and Word Processors because I'm not intending to go pro (although it's more like I don't know how to) unless these features aren't what I assume they are which is something that formats my writing to a standard of some sort.

    Film Production and Business... I'm on the fence with this one. If it's something that can help me output a more professional level story than it's always in line with quality and I want that but it can be just again a less competent editor and I already edit my work. Film Production I'm assuming is script writing and while I don't intend to be a scriptwriter, I do want to make a Visual Novel/Ren'ai game using Ren'Py so it's something I want but it's not something I thought of when requesting for alternatives because I thought they were a separate program from novel writing software.

    The best place to look would be back at the mothership itself. Zotero documentation can be found at the following link:

    http://www.zotero.org/documentation/

    Yes, I have seen that before but the problem with someone on a non-techie level like me is that often times I drift between "How to use this mode" and "whether to use this mode" because I have no foundation or idea on what the hell the software is about but I'm drawn to the term "researcher's tool" so this documentation never makes sense to me.

    I know it sounds like a bad case of "RTFM" avoidance but I since realize that some people just might need other ways of introducing applications to them to get them hooked and willing to look into it further and some don't because they are hooked but they don't know how to start while in between thoughts, they're wondering whether this is what they're really looking for. I think a good example is a PC user who wouldn't touch Linux because it's complicated but would use it once it's installed for him even though the real reason he's not getting into problems is because he just uses his PC for the basic stuff which most user friendly distroes like Ubuntu already has set up by default (which if he has tried, he would know that it would be just as easy to install as Windows if he did it by himself)

    For me, my main issue with Zotero is the lack of formal background on how to do proper research. You see, I can never tolerate nor understand the value of bibliographies, footnotes, citations, timelines and reports but would be willing to learn those if the right program shows me that this would help me in my research.

    Zotero is the reverse of that. It's the program that gives these options to those who already know the value of all these things and can tolerate them so when looking at the documentation, I can only be left wondering if "This is just Evernote with report and bibliography support" which I definitely don't need but then there's a risk like many seemingly unorthodox programs and services like Opera (from the perspective of a user who's only been introduced to IE), Diigo, Linux, Launchy, Pop-up Wisdom that they can not only be just what I'm looking for but something that would fuel my desire to not only consume information but be able to transform those information into something that would help make me remember and go back to them and value their information instead of just a black hole.


    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 03, 2008, 06:21 PM
    re: writing

    Sounds like your heart and head are in the right place. OK, a couple of things. :)

    1. Scoot over to http://www.writersstore.com/products.php?categories_id=128 and take a gander at all the stuff they sell. I'm not suggesting you need to buy anything. But at least it will give you an idea of what's out there. Once you have a feel for this class of software, you'll be better prepared to search for freeware equivalents.

    Scope out the various offerings - and Google anything that looks interesting or potentially useful. The product homesites usually have demos you can download to try before you buy. If something intrigues you, take them up on the offer. FWIW - most of these apps are idiosyncratic in the way they do things. If you don't think like they do, you won't be able to work with them - so check them out before you plunk down cash.

    2. Now for some recommended freebies to get you started:

    One app I use a lot for getting things down is WriteMonkey. It's free - and it works the way I need it to for what I need it for.

    http://pomarancha.com/writemonkey/index.php

    There was a bit of discussion about it here at DC:

    https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.msg121288

    Scroll down to read my post (40hz) and also to follow the responses it got. I love it. Not everybody does.  ;)

    For screenwriting/scripting (including games and graphic novels) you could take a look at Celtx. This is a free script formatter/organizer that is somewhat similar to FinalDraft in form and function.

    http://celtx.com/index.html

    Let me know what you think.  8)

    (You can also PM me if there's something you want to ask/discuss that would just muddy up this forum thread.)

    re: Zotero

    I know it sounds like a bad case of "RTFM" avoidance

    Not at all. And I doubt you'll find anyone at DC that would ever offer that most unhelpful of replies to a question. I just provided the link since a lot of people who install Zotero via Firefox's Add-on feature don't know there is documentation for it.

    If you've looked at the documentation - and it still doesn't make sense, then so be it. You're not alone.
    I have wanted to like Zotero. I have tried to use Zotero. I have installed and uninstalled it a dozen times. But in the end, there is something about it that just doesn't work for me.

    I keep most of my references in an SEO Note file. I simply cut and paste as needed. Not very sophisticated or efficient - but it works for me. ;D




    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Shades on September 03, 2008, 09:11 PM
    Customization:
    Here in South America a lot of computers are being sold through super markets. They use the gOS operating system. This (linux-based) O.S. is light on resources and comes with practically all a casual user would need. The interface is easy on the eyes (at least to me) And it seems to be a solid base for expanding it to your specific needs.

    For more info: gOS (http://www.thinkgos.com/)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 04, 2008, 01:11 AM
    from another thread:
    to figure out (in Process Explorer) how much ram your process is using:-

    .. IIRC, it's the Private Bytes figure you really have to look at if you want to know how much the process is REALLY using, since the working set is the amount of RAM allocated to the process + some shared (or to be used) by other processes.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 04, 2008, 04:47 AM
    That sounds like Skrommel's ClipStep (https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/index.html#ClipStep). Or try ClipX (http://bluemars.org/clipx/) if you want some basic interface to manipulate clipboard contents, apart from extending it.

    that's been worked on a good bit since by TWmailrec -
    http://twm.dcmembers.com/

    check out that webpage - he has a thread here too (it's probably linked too or do a search) - if you cant figure it out I'm sure he'll help
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Dormouse on September 04, 2008, 12:22 PM
    For novel writing etc., it is worth looking at Liquid Story Binder (http://www.blackobelisksoftware.com/) and its Forum (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Liquid_Story/). Has been on both BitsduJour and GAOTD recently.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 04, 2008, 01:41 PM
    What is the 2nd best most efficient and cheapest way to take notes while showering

    I'd suggest getting yourself an inexpensive notes recorder that is voice activated. Shop Staples, Amazon, OfficeMax etc. for selection and pricing. I like Sony, but there are lots of other makes out there.

    [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

    Also effective while driving, on long country walks, and when your laptop battery goes dead.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 09, 2008, 07:35 AM
    Customization:
    Here in South America a lot of computers are being sold through super markets. They use the gOS operating system. This (linux-based) O.S. is light on resources and comes with practically all a casual user would need. The interface is easy on the eyes (at least to me) And it seems to be a solid base for expanding it to your specific needs.

    For more info: gOS (http://www.thinkgos.com/)

    Thanks Shades but I'm just not into gOS. My tech level's on that of a casual user level but I think my requirements run more along that of a productivity/PIM/notetaker searcher and gOS is like the OS version of Chrome on Linux to me. It's not a bad choice, just that it's user interface doesn't bring anything special to me.

    I'd suggest getting yourself an inexpensive notes recorder that is voice activated. Shop Staples, Amazon, OfficeMax etc. for selection and pricing. I like Sony, but there are lots of other makes out there.

    I've never had one before 40hz. Could you give me an idea on what quality to look for? The closest I got to a voice recorder was from a PocketPC and that was very clunky both to use and to import data of.

    First Impressions on Several NovelWriting Software based on their Demos

    At first I thought I'd import the screenshots but I've made a mistake and copied them to OneNote so now I don't have a jpg to attach them into. Every one of these I found only through writerstore.com (where a demo was available) and from the replies located here.

    Final Draft:

    Very MS Word like which could be a plus for some people but a minus for me since I never learned MS Word and I barely use Wordpad. Skimming the help file only yielded very basic bookmarking and indexing functions which doesn't really benefit me much as I don't know the basics of scriptwriting. The minimal interface would have been a plus if I wasn't already using YeahWrite and Q10 or even Akelpad as a text editor which are more minimalistic.
    Power Structure:

    Ahh… this is more like it. The beginning options are a definite plus but only because I have never seen anything like it. At the same time, it can be a minus because unless you follow the manual and choose novel format, it can be pretty scary and confusing. I'd really be more comfortable if there were at least some tooltips available while choosing the options.

    I love the font size slider but the size limit really leaves a lot to be desired since I find that 10-15 pt were the only sizes that were readable in my PC.  (1152 x 864)

    It doesn't bother me that much but I would prefer something like 20 pt for when my eyes get tired staring at the screen.

    Drop down category lists are great but I find I need to re-click them instead of the entries being highlighted and allowing me to scroll through them using the mouse wheel.

    The characters view looks like a user friendlier screen of ywriter4 and I'm still not really sure about these kind of things. On one hand, I like the challenge of needing to create depth with my characters and on the other, I find these things really tedious to work with. I just don't feel anything special about a character inputted through these methods. If I need something like this, I feel more comfortable with Compendium's Dialogue Mapping Style of Creating Things because then I could create entire scenarios for a single character and preview it all in one page with my preferred order instead of trying to conform my mind to this tree-based hierarchy which is just not for me.

    Don't get me wrong, I do have a need for these type of templates, Power Structure's way is just the wrong kind of template for me. It's too focused on being rigid, on trying to make a format that would make sense if you show these texts to someone in this screen, on trying to write a biography and when I write, I'm going in the other direction. I write so that the story becomes good enough to be the character's biography. I write as if the character had forgotten themselves and only remembered when they were in a dilemma and in need of remembering who they are. I write asking what is the current state of the character in line with the current story and I connect the dots from there. But Power Structure assumes that I care whether I am in Chapter 1 or not. It assumes I'm more interested in a format that would allow me to create a Dungeons and Dragons character and then transport them into a Chapter-based format. It assumes the problem I have most with stories are in separating the parts so I can import them when my main stumbling block often comes from exporting them.

    Actually the format doesn't prevent me from doing that but it also doesn't help me to begin improving on my story. It's more like now, not only do I have a big bunch of text to deal with, I also have several tabs distracting me from actually writing my story. This can be fixed by copying the text from another text editor or word processor but by then, I'm usually more worried editing my work than spending time separating them into snippets.

    It really comes off more as a professional story marketing program than a novel writing software. All these options can make it easier for editing if you can't find your text but for me, if you can't find what part of your story needs editing then chances are, the to be edited part is not just the problem but also the actual content of the story otherwise why wouldn't I want to reread what I wrote? (Yes, there's time constraints but I find that I have no problem rereading the books that I'm really into.)

    Also if it's only purpose is finding the edited portion, then ywriter4 is free and this isn't so even if this is more user friendly, I think it just doesn't benefit me enough for me to want to pay for it. In the end, I think this is something that I might look back on because the fill in the box approach especially combined with the questions approach can be really addicting but there's a fine line between addicting and helpful especially when it comes to payware.

    Movie Outline:

    Now, right off the bat, I felt the introductory documentation is a whole let better here. It confirms my suspicion that there is a reason for why Power Structure and ywriter4 have a glaring similarity. "Step-outlining", I still haven't been explained enough value from applying it but a word is a better start than a quick start guide. Of course, either programs could have mentioned this later on or in their main sites, but I think it's something a newbie can easily miss that the right way to put it is definitely when the program first begins.

    Overall, the interface looks like a more polished hybrid of FinalDraft and Power Structure. A bad thing in my book because it makes many of the options on Power Structure complicated but at the same time, it's less specific question templates are both a bane and a blessing. On one hand, I'm glad I'm free from the more specific questions Power Structure asks of me but at the same time, many of the questions are obvious and are made easier in Power Structure because they turned these questions into options.

    In the end, Movie Outline preys on the inadequacy of my writing, making me considering on choosing it for the temptation of using it's analyses programs to draw me in but at the same time, I'm not sure if a rejected review from a publisher is much more worthwhile advice.
    Storymind/Storyweaver:

    This is probably the first program I really felt comfortable with. Links to videos (though I never tried them), light and finally a simple offer without trying to paint complexity into the program. At first, I was confused because the whole thing looked like a help file and I thought I downloaded the wrong thing so I went to a different site to download the same thing and I was scratching my head for a while there until I finally got it.

    If there's anything keeping me from buying this, is that I haven't tested it to the end to see whether it was all really worth it but the questions here are definitely less rigid than both Movie Outline and Power Structure and they are written in much more details that makes it more invigorating to answer them than the other two. If there's a con to this program is that it begins assuming you don't have a story in progress and starts you from scratch but that’s also the pro of this program as it's very difficult to be attracted to a program that assumes you already have a story you want to be massacred into a complicated hedge of step outlines.
    Dramatica:

    I'd say this is 2 for 2 as far as checking this applications made by Melanie Anne Philipps. There's just something reassuring about her writing style that clicks with me that the shock of finding out that she has a transgender support site didn't phase me after all. I'm not anti-Transgender but I'm a straight guy and as much as I want to stay as objective as possible, these things should bother me so when it didn't, it in turn gave me more faith that these applications are written by someone who was interested in elevating their story rather than just due to a damn good marketeer. Of course, I've been wrong before so we'll see... (I'm a sucker for infomercials)

    Interface wise, it draws on my curiosity because even though it's different from StoryMind's, it's actually much clearer as an app this time but at the same time, it gives me that Civilization 2 like feel that I just want to click on the buttons and it's probably the first app that really made me want to click on Help even though I find all the description texts, too small.

    All I can say is that I've only tried the StoryGuide in the beginning and I like that it reads like an interactive fiction on helping you to create a story. I also like that from the get go it warns me that the level 3 path would take 3 to 4 days which makes it easy to set aside time when further testing this product.

    All in all, the thing that keeps me from using this is the small fonts, the lack of scrolling through arrow keys and that's it. Among all that I've written about at this point, this made the best first impression.
    Storyview:

    Very MS Word like. Not my thing. A let down compared to Power Structure and FinalDraft.
    WriteMonkey:

    Thanks. It can never hurt to know more about these programs but I already use Q10 so while I do plan to make a feature by feature comparison of these two someday, I'm not really foreign to these types of software and it's a good editing platform to string along with rewriting my story on paper but it's not something that I can live with on it's own.
    CeltX:

    This looks very promising but I can't see it's similarities with FinalDraft but I'm judging purely on the UI. This is definitely something I'd like to get a chance to explore someday but right now, I can't really tap into many of it's options since I don't really understand anything about pre-production and without that, the value of being able to preview something just isn't there. Even trying the sample comic book didn't really give any clue as to how this would help me as the slideshows aren't really any different from creating a comic book panel by panel and putting them all into images. I'm really tempted to request for a guide to pre-production but at the same time, I'm not sure I can absorb the information well. The whole feel of the program just screams "more than one person". I really don't see why I couldn't do what the program offers with any outliner on a single person basis.
    Liquid Story Binder:

    Umm…wow. I need someone to teach me how to work this thing.  This looks like the GIMP of novel writing software and unfortunately I haven't even graduated from Photoshop.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: mouser on September 09, 2008, 10:14 AM
    Nice post Paul.. i'm sure others will find your first impressions useful  :Thmbsup:
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: mouser on September 09, 2008, 10:15 AM
    We should really split up this thread into dif topics since there is some useful information in some of these posts that will never get discovered because of the topic title.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 09, 2008, 10:54 AM
    I've never had one before 40hz. Could you give me an idea on what quality to look for? The closest I got to a voice recorder was from a PocketPC and that was very clunky both to use and to import data of.

    I've had the best luck with Sony. They seem to pack the most bang for the buck where I live. Olympus is also a good choice. I hesitate to recommend specific units since a model "year" in this market seems to be about four months. ;D

    I would look for a USB output port and a reasonable number of hours recording time based on how I use it. Anything over eight hours would do it for me since I only use my recorder for notes. And I'm unusually good about copying them off onto my PC. Which leads to another major consideration for me: compatibility with Dragon Naturally Speaking voice recognition software.

    The arguments for and against voice recognition software could flood a forum thread. From what I've seen, it either works for you or it doesn't. For my PC (and my voice), it's a marriage made in heaven. It did take a lot of work to get it set up, but it's repaid itself several times over for me.

    Note: DragonNS is an interesting product that puts me in an unusual position. I use it and I think highly of it. But I would never recommend it to someone. That's because it is somewhat of a crapshoot. It's expensive; there are no demos available; and not everyone can use it. So unless you're willing to risk a few hundred dollars and commit to the time necessary to "train" it, you're better off forgetting about speech recognition.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Darwin on September 09, 2008, 10:59 AM
    +1 in thanks for posting your observations about those notetakers/PIMs/writing aides. Very useful. I had the same reaction to LiquidStoryBinder, by the way  ;D Sadly, I'd already bought it  :( when before trying it, but it was on sale at Bits du Jour (60% off) ;) I love the GIMP analogy - hadn't thought of it that way myself, but it fits!
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 09, 2008, 11:07 AM
    We should really split up this thread into dif topics since there is some useful information in some of these posts that will never get discovered because of the topic title.

    Maybe even a child board with the individual topics under that. ;D

    I get the feeling you might be better starting a few different threads ( otherwise we could simply move most of the forum into this thread ;D )


    I think tomos hit the nail on the head with that one! It's a Salt Doll.;D


    A man was walking on the beach one day, carrying his shoes in his hand. He sat down beside a tidal pool and looked at the shells and seaweed left in it. Then he noticed, just above the water line, what looked like a pile of salt. But the salt seemed to have the form of a woman. Then she opened her eyes, smiled, and sat up.

    "Are you our salt doll who disappeared into the ocean?" he asked. "Or are you now the ocean itself?"

    "I am both," said the salt doll. "I always was."

    "How could you have come back from the sea?" the man asked.

    "My purpose brought me back," she said. "I came back to tell you about the ocean. And to tell all you people something you don't seem to know about yourselves. I am no different from you. You are all salt dolls."

    The man looked down at his bare foot, and for a moment it looked like it was made of salt.

    (Note: this was given to me so I don't know who wrote it. -40hz)

    In the end we are all and forever "newbies." 8)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Darwin on September 09, 2008, 11:16 AM
    Deep. No pun intended  :D

    Seriously, cool little story, 40hz, thanks for sharing it with us. FWIW, I think that you and Tom are right - this thread is begining to encompass the entire forum!
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 09, 2008, 12:02 PM
    Thanks everyone. I'm glad I can contribute and I hear you but so far no luck.

    I'm testing a new format after luckily being pointed to the personal area by mouser and finally discovering a forum writer (http://www.pawsoft.com/?p=fass/home) around the same day because I got lucky with the keywords in Google.

    Unfortunately several problems rear their head up. The writer isn't compatible with all the options on DC and it has the wrong previews. I'm glad I tested it before I finished writing all the text because the large format which looks large in the in-built preview screen becomes extra large in DC and I had to change the size to make them less intrusive in DC. (Largest size = 14, large size = 7)

    Aside from that, this is probably the first topic of this magnitude that I've been able to test because I remember in a different forum when I made like just a list of 10 questions, the person replying told me that I probably wouldn't get any replies because I was asking too many questions so in the case with this, it took me a long time to dare to ask these questions and also to register on a forum like these where I have a tendency to ask these length of questions again. It didn't help that many software kept updating and I find my questions kept changing that it really was DC's friendly community (I've been an on and off lurker) that gave me the courage to try this again.

    As for the new format, I intended it to be a table of contents topic where topics that were answered would be at the top, topics that were partially answered below and then finally old topics + some new additional topics I've thought of and each area would be all separated by a reply so I can permalink them to a separate new topic and only paste back the useful comments on to the thread but this is harder than it sounds.

    I'm also considering how to separate these questions but many of them (to me) are so directly related that I risk repeating myself or posting another link just to connect both threads to provide the full context. I really want to avoid a case where I forgot to ask the question because everything wasn't in front of me.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 09, 2008, 12:08 PM
    Deep. No pun intended  :D

    Seriously, cool little story, 40hz, thanks for sharing it with us. FWIW, I think that you and Tom are right - this thread is begining to encompass the entire forum!

    I think Mssr. Keith should start a blog. He writes well; his questions and observations are both intelligent and interesting; and he has the rare gift of "knowing what he does not know."

    I'd bookmark him. :)

    P.S. Thank you Paul. You bring a lot to the forum! :Thmbsup:

    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 09, 2008, 12:12 PM
    I've never had one before 40hz. Could you give me an idea on what quality to look for? The closest I got to a voice recorder was from a PocketPC and that was very clunky both to use and to import data of.

    I've had the best luck with Sony. They seem to pack the most bang for the buck where I live. Olympus is also a good choice. I hesitate to recommend specific units since a model "year" in this market seems to be about four months. ;D

    I would look for a USB output port and a reasonable number of hours recording time based on how I use it. Anything over eight hours would do it for me since I only use my recorder for notes. And I'm unusually good about copying them off onto my PC. Which leads to another major consideration for me: compatibility with Dragon Naturally Speaking voice recognition software.

    The arguments for and against voice recognition software could flood a forum thread. From what I've seen, it either works for you or it doesn't. For my PC (and my voice), it's a marriage made in heaven. It did take a lot of work to get it set up, but it's repaid itself several times over for me.

    Note: DragonNS is an interesting product that puts me in an unusual position. I use it and I think highly of it. But I would never recommend it to someone. That's because it is somewhat of a crapshoot. It's expensive; there are no demos available; and not everyone can use it. So unless you're willing to risk a few hundred dollars and commit to the time necessary to "train" it, you're better off forgetting about speech recognition.

    Damn, model "year" is kind of short. What does a USB output port do? I tried Googling but the images don't ring a bell.

    Yeah, speech recognition is overkill to me since what I mainly want is something waterproof that can be used in the shower, probably something with a long battery life and something bare bones but sturdy and would last a while. I really don't mind jotting down my notes since I will probably be using this more often for quick notes and 1 or 2 mid-length conversations which is more to help me remember the conversation rather than for turning it into text.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 09, 2008, 12:30 PM
    I think Mssr. Keith should start a blog. He writes well; his questions and observations are both intelligent and interesting; and he has the rare gift of "knowing what he does not know."

    I'd bookmark him. :)

    P.S. Thank you Paul. You bring a lot to the forum! :Thmbsup:

    Thanks to all of you too. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for all of you making this a great forum to post in.

    As for a blog...thanks for the suggestion but the few articles I've tried have not done well enough to reach the finished status.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Grorgy on September 09, 2008, 12:40 PM
    The USB output just lets you connect the notetaker to your PC through a USB port, dont have to play around trying to record it onto the pc some other way.  Mine came with some bundled software to make the exchange easy.

    Short model years can be good, I got a superseded model for less than 1/2 its original price, ok its not quite as flash as the newer models but its better than the ones at the same price i got this one for  ;)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 09, 2008, 12:54 PM
    Oh, I see. Good point. I guess I hate them because it can be a pain for consumers to choose especially when no one knows what to look for and am short in cash. Take MP3 players for example. Those gave me a headache because early on I was just given a player as a gift and I had little liking to music but then I had to stick my nose where it doesn't belong and I went down hell just trying to become an audiophile after I found out that the "sound" can be better based on the format but that there were even these things called lossless formats and there was an app called Rockbox and then there were customized music stations like Pandora and Last.fm. That whole ordeal led me to wearing a tinfoil hat on hardware ever since. It was so bad to this day, I have nightmares adding any hardware into my life other than ones that sell bare bones right to the point features and even those nowadays have some little quirk that separate them from each other. 
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 09, 2008, 01:01 PM
    re: Voice Recorder

    What does a USB output port do? I tried Googling but the images don't ring a bell.

    Sorry. The USB cable works in conjunction with the supplied Digital Voice Editor software. It allows you to archive and organize your voice notes. (It does not do voice recognition.)

    From Sony:
    Overview of Digital Voice Editor Version 3.1 functions:

        * Saving and adding recorded messages:
             1. Save messages recorded by the IC recorder onto your computer hard disk by messages or by folders.
             2. Add messages from the computer to the IC recorder.
        * Editing recorded messages:
             1. Divide a message into two messages or combine up to five messages into one.
        * Converting file formats:
             1. Convert the file format of a message saved in the computer and save it as a new file.
             2. Convert a message recorded by the IC recorder into an MP3 file.
        * CD burning function (CD Burning Tool for DVE):
             1. Add messages from the Digital Voice Editor or Windows Explorer window to the CD Burning Tool for DVE window, and then burn the data to a CD-R/RW as an audio or data CD.
        * CD recording function (CD Recording Tool for DVE):
             1. Convert a CD track into a file format compatible with the Digital Voice Editor software and then save the converted file on a computer hard disk.


    One thing I also use my Sony VR for is to test the sound and flow of dialog. I try to have someone read any dialog I've written. In a pinch, I'll do it myself. Amazing how something that looks so good on a page sometimes sounds so awful when you hear it read back to you.

    I have found this is especially useful if I can get my friend Alexis to read back sections of dialog or narrative belonging to a female character. Men and women seem to use language differently. It's hard to define exactly how. But most women can spot when a guy is putting words in a female character's mouth. Hearing a character speak in the appropriate gender's voice helps me catch a lot of subtle differences and improve my characters verisimilitude. Robert Heinlein seems to annoy a lot of women with his dialog. I've often heard women say, "All his women sound like men - no woman would ever talk like that." after reading a Heinlein story.

    Considering the number of women I've met who don't enjoy Heinlein's female characters - and the number of guys who do  - there just might be something to this. ;D
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: superboyac on September 09, 2008, 01:01 PM
    Whoa mama!  I just saw this thread.  You are crazy Paul!  I'm going to have to set aside some time in my schedule to read this thing.

    Seriously, though.  I like your ambition.  But a lot of this stuff is around the forums here somewhere.  It's easier to deal with this (at least in forums) if you break it down as much as possible and address one issue at a time.  But there's always a time and place for large general threads also, so whatever.  I'm one to talk, I've started two enormous threads here myself!

    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 09, 2008, 11:32 PM
    One thing I also use my Sony VR for is to test the sound and flow of dialog. I try to have someone read any dialog I've written. In a pinch, I'll do it myself. Amazing how something that looks so good on a page sometimes sounds so awful when you hear it read back to you.

    I have found this is especially useful if I can get my friend Alexis to read back sections of dialog or narrative belonging to a female character. Men and women seem to use language differently. It's hard to define exactly how. But most women can spot when a guy is putting words in a female character's mouth. Hearing a character speak in the appropriate gender's voice helps me catch a lot of subtle differences and improve my characters verisimilitude. Robert Heinlein seems to annoy a lot of women with his dialog. I've often heard women say, "All his women sound like men - no woman would ever talk like that." after reading a Heinlein story.

    Considering the number of women I've met who don't enjoy Heinlein's female characters - and the number of guys who do  - there just might be something to this.

    Thanks for the tip! Alexis must be quite a gal to be able to mimic a wide range of voices. Haha, that's another thing I might need to search for.

    I've finally got my feet wet and opted for Olympus instead of Sony because of their reputation and am considering the DS-50 (http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/voice_recorders/digital_rec/ds50/) but it is quite pricey and still no sign of whether it can handle being held by wet hands. What do you think?

    Whoa mama!  I just saw this thread.  You are crazy Paul!  I'm going to have to set aside some time in my schedule to read this thing.

    Seriously, though.  I like your ambition.  But a lot of this stuff is around the forums here somewhere.  It's easier to deal with this (at least in forums) if you break it down as much as possible and address one issue at a time.  But there's always a time and place for large general threads also, so whatever.  I'm one to talk, I've started two enormous threads here myself!

    Haha, yeah, I'm only at page 6 on your General Brain-Storming on Notetaking Software thread but I don't know about many of these. Maybe I'm just using the wrong keywords but the ones that I know have been discussed before like Online Backups, I need more opinions on and the ones that I ask, I don't find many topics of.

    Take for example an offline version of Diigo. I still can't find any alternative to it, I'm almost considering trying to experiment with Surfulator or other web capturing tools in combination with that page but boy, web capturing, that's another head scratcher. Outside of annotation capabilities and highlights, I still haven't found an application that really has a separate preview mode from edit mode that can handle large chunks of data without printing or exporting it to a .txt and exporting that .txt to a PocketPC. (The Kindle is just overpriced on my end in relation to it's value.)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: gtoal on September 10, 2008, 05:14 PM
    How do you use Wiki-style notetakers? (I can’t seem to get my head around on how a wiki-style’d note is easier to read than other kind of notepads. In Wikipedia alone I can find myself clogging my browser with 100 tabs opened all from starting with one Wikipedia article)

    Personally I made wiki-like notes with a text editor, then run a makefile to convert my notes into HTML with a little utility I wrote.  It's lightweight but it does all I need.

    http://www.gtoal.com/src/hakihaki/hakihaki.c.html (drop the .html for the plain source)

    G
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 11, 2008, 12:52 AM
    Thanks gtoal but how do you use it?
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 11, 2008, 02:28 AM
    Thanks gtoal but how do you use it?

    this might help:
    have a look at the review of Wikidpad notetaker review here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=12062.0) at dc

    I'm completely ignorant of them but Perry & others tried to explain it to me - here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=12062.msg99511#msg99511)

    I'm presuming that Wikidpad is similar in how it works to other wikis but maybe not - seems very popular here anyways
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 11, 2008, 04:40 AM
    I read the links tomos but I still don't get it. Saying it's not an outliner only confused me but it could be because I'm not sure whether the text there refers it to being not an outliner = not a notetaker or not an outliner = not tree-based hierarchy like.

    Some of the core issues that confuse me with it are:

    -The lack of specific and concrete samples
    -The lack of specific and concrete samples WHILE seeing someone access it after a long time has passed

    As for being confusing, I don't know if you're familiar with Tomboy Notes which is pre-installed at least in Linux Mint by default but if Wikidpad is confusing I recommend trying that one out because it doesn't require any syntax. You just set a link and basically you can move towards the next page of an article per se that normally wouldn't be the next page.

    It can be also used as a novel writing software which is probably why ywriter4 was also recommended. In essence, it's very much Wikipedia for yourself.

    Sorry, if you know this already. I'm not sure if you wanted to know about the program, didn't really care for the program or were referring to some of the advanced stuff within the program which I also don't know because I never tried it long enough.

    Another similar example but different approach to Wiki-style notetaking is found within Compendium. An aspect which it calls transclusive linking. The core idea is basically you can paste a section into another section and have the information sync between it. The benefit is basically an item that can be on two folders without needing to be organized through tag filtering thus the convenience of a more orthodox approach to information accessing.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 11, 2008, 04:44 AM
    ... if Wikidpad is confusing I recommend trying that one out because it doesn't require any syntax ...

    so are you saying that you understand technically how to use Wikidpad/wikis, but want to see how it is used ???
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 11, 2008, 05:11 AM
    Well not technically (I didn't bother to learn the syntax) but basically, yes.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 11, 2008, 10:37 AM
    ... if Wikidpad is confusing I recommend trying that one out because it doesn't require any syntax ...

    so are you saying that you understand technically how to use Wikidpad/wikis, but want to see how it is used ???

    Well not technically (I didn't bother to learn the syntax) but basically, yes.

    Yeah, me too. I am beginning to think I'm the only person in the world that doesn't "get" wikis.

    I've read the literature (The Wiki Way et al.). I've played with them. I've set them up for other people. But there's something about the whole wiki concept that I just can't seem to get my head around. Does that make me some kind of control freak? :tellme:

    Maybe somebody who is a wiki-wonk could start a new thread to try and enlighten those of us who frankly admit to being clueless.

    (BTW: I wanted to say 'paradigm' instead of concept - but I'd probably be dragged out behind DC headquarters and stoned to death with dead hard drives for uttering that word.) ;)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 11, 2008, 12:23 PM
    re: Voice Recorders

    I've finally got my feet wet and opted for Olympus instead of Sony because of their reputation and am considering the DS-50 (http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/voice_recorders/digital_rec/ds50/) but it is quite pricey and still no sign of whether it can handle being held by wet hands. What do you think?

    Can't speak from much experience on Olympus since all I own is one of their micro cassette recorders. That being said, I was very happy with it - and still have it. I'll probably give it to my Mom now that I remember I own it. She likes to record things - and cassette tapes are about as complex a bit of tech as she'd be willing to put up with. ;D

    I am currently using a Sony ICD-P520. It's been discontinued and superseded by other models. It does what I want it to do, and I got it for something like $25 at my local Staples' close-out counter.

    One MAJOR caveat with Sony is their software. They're DRM freaks so their software has some issues when you want to burn files to CD. I guess they're worried about people recording a Brittany Spears concert. You can burn to CD, but it's a major pain.

    You also MUST use their software to access recordings on the device. That would have been a showstopper for me if I knew about it beforehand. Unlike a friend's Olympus, this Sony doesn't come up on your PC as a mass storage USB device. So you can't just drag and drop files. Still, for twenty-five bucks I can't really complain. Too much anyway.

    I have gotten the 520 moderately wet (rainy day walking) without ill effect. I doubt I'd want to make a habit of it however.

    Talking to people I trust, there seems to be a consensus that Olympus products are a much better way to go. That will probably be what I buy when my 520 finally dies or I have some extra money to burn.

    Alexis must be quite a gal to be able to mimic a wide range of voices. Haha, that's another thing I might need to search for.

    She is, although she doesn't do much in the way of dramatic interpretation. She just reads it back in that precise contralto of hers and I take it from there.

    As far as searching, I'd suggest getting one of those tall outdoorsy redhead types. Got me one of those and never regretted it. Look for versatility and performance. The particular model I've have is perfectly at home either in an English saddle, or slamming out some serious blues on her Fender Strat. Goes from zero to Stevie Ray Vaughan in under four seconds flat!

    Check what's available in your area. Highly recommended! :Thmbsup:

    .
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 11, 2008, 12:55 PM
    Maybe somebody who is a wiki-wonk could start a new thread to try and enlighten those of us who frankly admit to being clueless.

    Yeah, I second that. Would be well appreciated to see a screencast that expands beyond this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnL00TdmLY) video.

    BTW: I wanted to say 'paradigm' instead of concept - but I'd probably be dragged out behind DC headquarters and stoned to death with dead hard drives for uttering that word.

    Haha, sounds like a great story to tell the kids.

    Update:

    I still haven't begun any new reorganizing as the whole new format's really making me procrastinate. Makes me wonder how programmers could handle making an entire site as just seeing that one BBCode page for just an hour is driving me nuts.

    Anyways, I'm just writing this here in case anyone knows of a simple solution because I'm back to the dark days of when I was searching for a PIM (only this time I'm really looking for a PIM than a notetaker) and the more I move, the more I sink into the quicksand of features and my search for an offline Diigo has morphed back into looking for an app that combines the web capturing capabilities of Surfulater/EverNote/Scrapbook FF along with their highlight and annotation capabilities combined with the features of IdeaMason (http://www.ideamason.com/default.htm) (who knew that program was hidden in a topic about diaries) and a way to print the data within them into a self formatted book for easy reading. (so yeah, it's also technically a novel writing software now.)

    Frankly, I'm not sure if a program like that exists so I'm trying to stay the course of an offline Diigo but if you guys have anymore ideas even if they're through combining several different programs, please reply.

    One MAJOR caveat with Sony is their software. They're DRM freaks so their software has some issues when you want to burn files to CD. I guess they're worried about people recording a Brittany Spears concert. You can burn to CD, but it's a major pain.

    You also MUST use their software to access recordings on the device. That would have been a showstopper for me if I knew about it beforehand. Unlike a friend's Olympus, this Sony doesn't come up on your PC as a mass storage USB device. So you can't just drag and drop files. Still, for twenty-five bucks I can't really complain. Too much anyway.

    Yeah, I read this (http://www.amazon.com/review/R23UNVECAKCEJP/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R23UNVECAKCEJP) review before switching over to preferring Olympus.

    As far as searching, I'd suggest getting one of those tall outdoorsy redhead types. Got me one of those and never regretted it. Look for versatility and performance. The particular model I've have is perfectly at home either in an English saddle, or slamming out some serious blues on her Fender Strat. Goes from zero to Stevie Ray Vaughan in under four seconds flat!

    Check what's available in your area. Highly recommended!

    Haha. Unfortunately we don't get much redheads here. A blonde is rare enough but advise taken into consideration.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 12, 2008, 07:33 PM
    re: Writing Tools

    eeeek! Can't believe someone hasn't has mentioned Storybook yet! It's free and open source.

    http://storybook.intertec.ch/?g_page=home&g_lang=en

    Curt had a post sometime back about it:
    https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=11917.msg103468#msg103468

    I found Storybook's interface and methodology to be a little cumbersome. But there are two people in my writer's group that think it's the best thing to happen since White-Out. MBW trying out.  ;)

    I'm currently in the process of getting my arms around Liquid Story Binder. I got a free copy a while back. I really want to like this app. Consequently, I'm putting a lot more effort into using it than I normally would for this type of software. My usual procedure for selecting writing software is to give the candidate app about a week's worth of exercise. If it seems useful - and it doesn't encounter any showstopper issues - I'll usually keep it. Otherwise the superb Revo Uninstaller makes it's appearance, and the little bugger is history.

    Some things I like about Liquid Story Binder are:

       Can be run from a USB (I'm big on portable apps.)
       Uses non-proprietary file types (RFT,TXT,etc. Great for sharing with my Mac & Linux cohorts.)
       Nice outlining features (Do all my brainstorming in outlines)
       Full screen minimalist editor (aka WebMonkey - one of my favs)

    and finally
       
       That drop-dead gorgeous (to my eyes anyway) interface. It invariably turns a few heads whenever I'm out someplace. Perfect for striking up tech conversations; or (to return to our previous 'searching' discussion) breaking the ice with that random attractive intellectual type seated across from you. :Thmbsup: (We get inspired and motivated however we can! ;D)

    LSB gathers so many neat things under one roof that I am really bent on using if I possibly can.

    In case you're interested, my current Writer's Suite is:

    Software:

      - Dramatica Pro - IMHO the single best piece of software for writing that's out there :-*

      - WebMonkey - the ultimate no-frill first draft editor

      - PowerWriter - a writer's outliner on steroids

      - Microsoft Office Word - the ubiquitous text tool

      - FinalDraft - the sui generis script formatter. (No point fighting it. It's what gets used in 'the biz.' )

      - SEO Note - yet another tree-based notes organizer. (I just happen to like this one.)

      - PrimoPDF - Your basic PDF generator. Adobe Acrobat without the tariff!

      - FileHamster - version control for when you don't need something as powerful as Subversion

      - Allway Sync Portable - folder synchronization tool. Perfect for USB flash drives.

      - USB Disk Ejector - excellent utility. The safest, easiest  way to unmount your flash drives.

      - A drawer full of reference CD/DVDs (dictionaries, encyclopedias, e-books, etc.)

      - Dragon Naturally Speaking - voice recognition software. (See my caveats in earlier post above)

    Non-software:

      - My home library - as you might guess, I have a huge number of books!

      - Digital voice recorder

      - A ring full of 2 & 4 GB USB flash drives. One project per drive for when I'm on the road.

      - A big box of index cards of various colors

      - 3 Corkboards (homemade) and a big box of pushpins

      - The biggest magnetic whiteboard I could afford

      - Post-It Notes - used in conjunction with a whiteboard, it's an unbeatable combination

      - Pilot G5 gel pens in various colors. (IMHO the best pens in the world!)

      - Gevalia Coffee - my favorite poison. Ridiculously expensive. (and worth every penny as far as I'm concerned!)

    Wetware:

      - A bunch of 'writerly' friends - to bounce things off (and share a Guiness with)

    and

      - Alexis - my Blast-proof BS Detector and personal 'reality check' ;D

    Wish list:

      - One of those new subnotebooks to replace my aging Compaq laptop.

    My current favorite is the MSI Wind. (What I actually end up getting will be determined by what's out there when I finally get around to buying one. I've been dropping hints since the holiday season is coming up. Be interesting to see if anybody takes the bait. ;D)

    So there you have it! 8)






    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 13, 2008, 04:18 AM
    Woah man, very nice! I'm jealous. Always wanted a space large enough to host a library but I couldn't afford it.

    Yeah, I can't believe I missed Storybook also because I've read that topic before. I think it was the java software that gave me amnesia but the app is surprisingly fast at least when I tried the sample but it looks like a jazzed up ywriter4 so I ended up back to it.

    If sharing suites might help, here's mine currently:

    Currently considering:

    Storyweaver and Dramatica Pro just like I wrote in my first impressions

    Currently trying to replace:

    YeahWrite which replaced MS Word for me both due to speed and the fact that the color lay-out and portability makes my text flow. At times it even beats Q10 for jump starting on a story because I could just spend hours looking at the non-traditional and less strain on the eyes screen.

    Incollector for snippets collecting. It might not replace EverNote for web capturing but the box based and tag based design feels more comfortable to me than the toilet paper design or sticky notes design of other applications.

    Compendium for outlining. Tree-based hierarchies just don't do it for me. I feel more at home with a structure I can pattern myself.

    Q10 for the nostalgia and the memories typewriting sounds give me.

    ywriter4 in case I ever need to re-organize in a rigid structural way.

    and finally the ubook reader for the final "read aloud" test.

    Coincidentally this also functions as my productivity suite and notetaking suite currently. I know many of these are repeated points but I thought maybe posting this could help spell out better to people of what I need and the type of person that I am.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: anne_r on September 13, 2008, 06:35 AM
    Windows Vista: Why do people prefer it over a dual boot Xp and Linux?
    I know the common reasons, I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial because it seems it should be a disaster but I read people using it.

    Well, I haven't used either XP or Linux, so I can't say if Vista is better or inferior to those. All I can say, is that I've had Vista now for 1,5 years it has not crashed once.

    I repeat that: Windows Vista has NOT crashed once in 1,5 years.

    I have had no problems installing my old, favourite software (I still use Word 97  :)). No problems with drivers or peripherals.

    Of course Vista needs lots of RAM and such. You can't install it on any old computer. That's what I've heard people complain about.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: suleika on September 13, 2008, 06:46 AM
    Have you tried all-weather paper?  There are a lot of products out there.  For the odd short reminder I have a chinagraph pencil in the shower (aka grease pencil or wax pencil) and write on directly onto the wall - it cleans off perfectly.

    Yeah, speech recognition is overkill to me since what I mainly want is something waterproof that can be used in the shower, probably something with a long battery life and something bare bones but sturdy and would last a while. I really don't mind jotting down my notes since I will probably be using this more often for quick notes and 1 or 2 mid-length conversations which is more to help me remember the conversation rather than for turning it into text.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 13, 2008, 07:13 AM
    Have you tried all-weather paper?  There are a lot of products out there.  For the odd short reminder I have a chinagraph pencil in the shower (aka grease pencil or wax pencil) and write on directly onto the wall - it cleans off perfectly.



    I've heard of the paper but I really didn't feel like they were an affordable option especially for short note taking but a chinagraph pencil, there's something I haven't heard of before. What are the things to look out for when buying such a pencil?
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 13, 2008, 09:49 PM
    Compendium for outlining. Tree-based hierarchies just don't do it for me. I feel more at home with a structure I can pattern myself.

    Thanks for mentioning that. I thought I knew every outliner out there, but this is a new one for me.  :Thmbsup:

    I webbed over to their homepage, and while I was happy to see that they have since released Compendium as a free product, the download links no longer work. You get a 404 no matter what. I tried e-mailing, hoping that maybe this is a temporary case of a bad link on the site.

    From the feature list (it has a few unique ones), Compendium may be the general outliner application I've been looking for.

    Fingers crossed...

    Woah man, very nice! I'm jealous. Always wanted a space large enough to host a library but I couldn't afford it.

    Don't be overly impressed. Library is a bit of a misnomer. It more closely resembles a medieval monastery book collection than your local public library.

    I do have a nice little office area with several shelves of books neatly arranged and within arm's reach. But the bulk of the "library" is spread promiscuously throughout the rest of my living space. There are piles and rows of books in every available room and storage space.

    The thing that makes this arrangement work for me is a very nice little library program from Norway called BookCAT. It's published by FNProgramvare.  ( www.fnprg.com ) Complete documentation and a fully functional evaluation copy are available for download.

    BookCAT is a powerful book collector database program which will help you catalog a book collection of any size. BookCAT is used by book-lovers, schools, churches, clubs, and business libraries. Using BookCAT you can quickly catalog your books by downloading information from the Internet. BookCAT will help you track what you have in your library, where it is (including books out on loan) and the total value of your collection.

    BookCAT has a comprehensive set of fields, enabling you to catalog a wide range of information: author, title, publisher, ISBN number, publish date, number of pages, editor, original title, translator, binding, edition, type of book (fiction, non-fiction, etc.), category and sub-category, purchase date and price, current value, condition, status (own, want, for sale), personal rating, owner, location, keywords, awards and nominations, comments, synopsis, reviews, and more.

    Other features include customized entry fields, a loan module (to keep track of books on loan), flexible searching, a report designer, more than 80 pre-defined report formats, a HTML generator, a sample data base to get you started, pop-up menus for quick feature access and navigation, and comprehensive context-sensitive on-line documentation available at the touch of a button.

    About a year ago I bit the bullet and got my entire collection entered into BookCAT.

    I was motivated to do so by two separate 'incidents'. The first was the discovery that several irreplaceable books I owned were missing. I vaguely remembered loaning some of them out, but I couldn't even begin to recall to whom or when. (I'm suffering from the early stages of an affliction called AGE.) The other 'incident' was my discovering that I had duplicate copies of a dozen or so fairly expensive books (SAMS and O'Reilly titles!). Apparently, I bought, forgot I owned, and then re-bought some books! Not the most cost effective way to do things.

    Getting the books entered took about two weeks of parttime effort with me crawing from place to place with my laptop and a cup of coffee when I had nothing better to do. It wasn't as big a chore as it could have been because the program supports online information lookups using the ISBN number. Pop in the ISBN and you can download all the publisher details into your database.

    Using a database for a book collection is liberating. Retrieval is the critical issue - not storage. Once you have a reliable reference and location tool, the whole issue of physical storage and organization becomes almost moot.

    Now it no longer matters where I put a book - or who I loaned it to. I can even keep my lesser used titles in numbered boxes up in the attic. And they don't even need to be organized or categorized before they get put away. Titles can be shelved, stored, and stashed at will. I can find any title quite quickly as long as I keep its current location updated in the database.

    One interesting feature: BookCAT uses MS Access as its database. The documentation that comes with the program gives full details on the database table structure. This allows for extensive customization of the application should you have sufficient expertise using Access.

    A fine program. Not free, but at $40 US it's very reasonable. Highly recommended. :up: :up:
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 15, 2008, 09:04 AM
    Well, I haven't used either XP or Linux, so I can't say if Vista is better or inferior to those. All I can say, is that I've had Vista now for 1,5 years it has not crashed once.

    I repeat that: Windows Vista has NOT crashed once in 1,5 years.

    I have had no problems installing my old, favourite software (I still use Word 97  :)). No problems with drivers or peripherals.

    Of course Vista needs lots of RAM and such. You can't install it on any old computer. That's what I've heard people complain about.

    Hi Anne, sorry I missed this post of yours. If it's not too much hassle, besides stability, could you point out one possible plus of Vista over XP? I'm really considering upgrading my PC entirely but I've heard Linux has some problems with 64 bit which is keeping me from switching to it entirely (also my Linux partition currently won't boot so that's leaving a sour taste in my mouth right now and I'm pre-occupied with this topic to pay any attention to the problem) and Vista as far as I've heard has still no exclusive functionality going for it yet. Not to say that stability isn't important but I'm really looking for something to convince me to switch to it besides it's hardware support.

    Thanks for mentioning that. I thought I knew every outliner out there, but this is a new one for me. 

    I webbed over to their homepage, and while I was happy to see that they have since released Compendium as a free product, the download links no longer work. You get a 404 no matter what. I tried e-mailing, hoping that maybe this is a temporary case of a bad link on the site.

    From the feature list (it has a few unique ones), Compendium may be the general outliner application I've been looking for.

    Fingers crossed...

    Hmm... the download link seems to be working for me though I didn't test it because I have to input another e-mail again.

    http://kmi.open.ac.uk/projects/compendium/download/indexAlpha.cfm

    I only downloaded the Windows version though.

    I wouldn't try the app looking for an outliner though. It's just not that kind of program... Closest I could call it's outlining capabilities are that it's an outline exporter but there's really no easy way to really get any kind of full outline view from it.

    Instead what you get is a dashboard/file explorer with optional visible arrows connecting each item to the entry that gets people into mistaking it as a mindmapping software even though it's not and it can be very difficult to see everything all in one screen like an outliner. Why it works for me though is that often times I can't see anything other than titles from a traditional outliner and all the text makes my brain hurt and in Compendium, the file explorer style just makes it easy for me to browse through reference files and reference texts much more conveniently than I would in a real file explorer because of the arrows. As a stand alone outliner though, it would probably give me a headache once I go beyond notetaking as the tagging system there is mostly for search filtering rather than browsing and you would probably overclutter your bookmark just to get to a quick node.

    Ex.

    Say you have Introduction followed by Features by Quick Start in a normal outliner/notetaker. When you want to switch to them, it's just as easy as opening a sidebar to get the tree or the tag cloud. In Compendium, the sidebar requires some right clicking just to get to that entry. If you want to manually switch pages, you also have to remember your previous pages because if you close the window, you might not be able to return to that page unless you close all the other windows unless you have a set up a My Documents Folder in your bookmarks (which the program calls a node) so you can't really quickly switch between information unless you index a text file and write the outline there or over-abused the in-built multi-page text editor to find what you want but it's like reading a windowed notepad with back and forth buttons. Both still are inferior to an outliner program. Not to mention there are certain import and export features in the program that are still buggy but I haven't confirmed with the makers yet on what is the most stable way to back up your files.

    However, say you're not sure how many flaws and features your story character or project has. Then it becomes a better outliner in the sense that instead of a text box where you put in their flaws, you can create a node pointing that to the character and because it's not restricted to a text box, you can then point those flaws to a Chapter and then you have a visual pattern for your character's growth or your project's pros and cons. This makes the program great for having a default set of templates which you can surround with answers and structure it in ways that makes you view it your way.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 15, 2008, 03:50 PM
    Cancelled Choices:

    StoryMind/Dramatica

    At first, I liked the way the applications introduced me to the whole process but after trying Dramatica's Level 1 Story Guide on an article I was planning to write, I was really underwhelmed by the end result. Yes, it's really not meant for writing such things but the article I was testing it on fits the basic needs of a story with characters, transitions, chapters and the works except I could get away with just one sentence or paragraph to fill most of what the program asks so I saw it as a decent test for what it could produce.

    Unfortunately, the end result is very outline-ish and this is bad for me because I really was expecting the program to unearth something while doing all these process but the events it produced were nothing I couldn't have thought of on my own using any kind of snippet taker. After trying IdeaMason, the entire thing just didn't feel like it was worth paying for. (though the bonuses that come with StoryMind is a nice offer)

    StoryMind is basically a subsection in Dramatica's Story Guide and it basically asks you to type something and lets you see it later on for reference but compared to IdeaMason's plethora of ways to insert footnotes/citations and references, it really came short.

    Note that part of my decision was influenced by the fact that I felt I could reproduce the same thing in Compendium by copying the questions and answering it through the program's user interface and I would get a more concrete view of my content because of it's mapping structure.

    IdeaMason

    At first this is my Liquid Story Binder/Offline Diigo and I really came into it feeling like I was just shy of cashing out on it and the drag and drop way of doing things really really felt so tempting to use and the ability to basically have a YeahWrite entry only the tabs working per item rather than per entry really REALLY got my hopes up but once I tried it, I found it was too rigid in it's structure. For ex. I want the reference to be basically a blank notepad like Opera's notes panel but with the ability to remove the folder view but the program insists on puttng an entry box when entering the information to satisfy such rote questions as the name of the link, etc. etc.

    In the end, what I end up getting was a jazzed up combination of a notetaker combined with the Form Letter Machine except with drag and drop rather than copy to clipboard. Even the links which I at first thought had Web Capturing wasn't to be. One thing it got slightly right was the mini-preview mode but the fact that I couldn't find a way to get a fullscreen preview/reader mode really made it feel like I was better off with Compendium. Not that I was looking for this program to replace Compendium but it really made me feel like it was the Compendium equivalent to my search for a YeahWrite/Diigo replacement and by that I mean, Compendium was one of the programs I really found invaluable to me and if the program now were to be made lighter and more stable with the exact same features, it would be almost be an ideal program that doesn't have any glaring flaws for my own purposes. (though it still wouldn't be good enough to be the only notetaking program I would use.)

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    Two-pane Notepad

    Through using these programs, I ended up feeling that maybe there was a much simpler solution to what I needed. IdeaMason's Composition Drag and Drop feature which allows one to first filter contents before dragging the snippets into a full article really made me realize the value of a two pane outliner and it reminded me of how for a long time Opera's notes panel felt really useful to me despite it's bare bones feature and I finally got why it was that way.

    Basically the freedom I got from Opera's Notes panel was the fact that aside from a preview/reader mode, it really was a good basic user interface design for my needs if you replace the browser area with a notepad section. Add in the tabs and light mem consumption of YeahWrite with a better export and I really felt it would be good enough to replace Diigo and Yeahwrite for me even if the snippet area might not have the capability and features of Surfulator.

    All I really need is to replace Diigo with any highlighter app like Scrapbook and Wired Marker, copy paste the highlights and then paste them into the program and voila! The hideable notes panel means I can get my full screen view of the contents and as long as it can be set for preview mode, I really believe it would be good enough to work.

    Unfortunately, I can't find such a program as most of the outliners I've seen waste too much screen real estate by adding a tree-hierarchy to it's 2nd pane while others like creating a two column template for OneNote fall short because you can't hide one side with ease and really OneNote has too many advanced features that doesn't bode well for experimentation. Case in point, I was curious by what the linkify feature's use was and used it but I ended up having my entire snippets turned into links which I couldn't undo because OneNote has no unlimited undos to my knowledge.

    The Form Letter Machine + EverNote/Surfulator + Advanced Clipper

    Well the core functionality is basically the same as above. I only mentioned this because I'm currently trying to manage through using the combination of Scrapbook + The Form Letter Machine as my alternative to Diigo but it's so clunky because it has no web clipping functionality but it does so many things right like a previewable non-editable reader with a mini-edit box as opposed to the reverse which makes it really great for reading the snippets that pretty much my only worry is it's lack of a backup and export feature and it's lack of an auto-save but it will have to do for now. I also haven't tested how well it handles tons of information especially without a tagging feature.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 16, 2008, 06:50 PM
    *sigh, I've been really procrastinating for awhile but just a quick bump.

    For those wondering why I want a grid over grid program, I forgot to include a picture.

    [attachthumb=#1][/attachthumb]

    The core idea is to have a program that creates a larger version of this image encompassing a smaller version of this grid, encompassing an even smaller version of this grid with the end result aiming to have a way to not only prioritize but also segment the different items that are to be included in this concept.

    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 16, 2008, 07:37 PM
    re: Writing

    Thanks for the info on Compendium. I've downloaded it and I'm putting it through it's paces. A very interesting application to say the least, even if you need to install MySQL to use it. Now that I've played with Compendium and gotten a feel for it's methodology I'm beginning to see the potential for a lot future use. A definite find! :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

    BTW: The reason I couldn't originally download Compendium was because Google directed me to Compendium-TA by mistake. Compendium-TA is an outliner. Their website can be found at: www.compendiumdev.co.uk/compendium-ta/default.php

    (And yes, the download links for that app are still broken.  Boo hiss!!!  ;))

    In the meantime, you might want to take a look at Papel. Papel is a free-form note taking and organizing tool that uses a desktop-like metaphor.

    [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

    Publisher's Description
    A new software tool designed for authors of fictional stories. It allows you to write creatively and intuitively without logical tasks interfering with the flow of your ideas.

    Rather than using lists and tables to keep track of the various parts of your writing project, it works visually, just as Windows does.

    You simply create new papels in the main project window, name them and set their type (described below). Papels are easily identifiable, as each type has it´s own icon, and the descriptive name you gave it is displayed with it.

    Papel allows you to keep track of all the scraps of writing you create along the way, and instantly reminds you of what goes where by the way you group them in your project. Papels can be moved around with your mouse, renamed, and the type changed if you wish. Once everything is ready for publishing, you simply import the text files into your word processor for final formatting to the desired publishing standard.

    Features:

        * Visual on-screen representation of your writing project sections.
        * Drag & Drop interface for easy grouping of related pieces of work, notes, etc.
        * Individual icons for each piece of work, including Chapter, Scene, Male Character, Female Character, Plot Outline, Dialogue, and Note.
        * Simple papel naming system, with automatic file saving under the given name.
        * Find, Replace, Word Count,Spell Checking & Thesaurus in editor.
        * Multi-sizeable project window with up to 8 times your screen size.
        * Configurable and saveable Editor font and size.
        * Saveable default Application and Editor window positions.


    Downloading Papel can get a little tricky since the product's homepage seems to have gone missing recently.
    This download link does work however:

    http://download.freewarefiles.com/files/Papel_Setup.exe

    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 17, 2008, 03:18 AM
    The core idea is to have a program that creates a larger version of this image encompassing a smaller version of this grid, encompassing an even smaller version of this grid with the end result aiming to have a way to not only prioritize but also segment the different items that are to be included in this concept.

    Notebox disorganiser is in this direction at any rate - never have used it properly (& that a couple years ago) so cant say more

    I don't think Notebox Disorganizer (http://www.geocities.com/goosnargh37/) has been mentioned so far.  It's aimed at writers, and is truly weird.  Here is part of a third-party review (http://lists.topica.com/lists/editorium/read/message.html?mid=1718594264):

    No, seriously, you should check out NoteBox Disorganizer:
    It's an amazingly useful program.

    NoteBox Disorganizer is tailor-made for quickly jotting down notes and
    ideas, organizing those notes and ideas, combining selected notes into a
    document, and exporting that document for publication. It's truly my
    favorite writing program, and I've tried pretty much everything out
    there. Here are some of the things that make NoteBox Disorganizer so
    outstanding:

    * Notes are kept in a spreadsheet-like grid that is easy to understand
    and navigate. And that means all your notes are spread out in plain
    sight; nothing is hidden away in a database or lost in an outline
    "tree."

    * It's possible to name each column, so you can easily categorize your
    notes under the columns where they belong. Have a note that belongs
    under more than one category? Clone it! Change a clone, and that change
    is reflected in all of the others.

    * It's also possible to name each *row,* so you can lay out a book's
    structure before you even start writing.

    [...]

    I love the side-by-sideness of all this, which gives me a sense of
    overview, organization, and control that I don't get in any other
    program.

    * If you need finer "granularity" in categorizing notes, you can include
    note ~keywords in the text (and keep an alphabetical list of those
    ~keywords) and then do a "bounded" search for them. In Boolean terms,
    that's an "And" search, which finds notes that include all of the
    specified ~keywords. Don't want to fuss with ~keywords? You can still
    use a bounded search to find notes that contain several terms.


    more info:-
    http://www.geocities.com/goosnargh37/category.html
    http://www.geocities.com/goosnargh37/docs.html
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on September 17, 2008, 03:23 AM
    Here's what it looks like here ... with greetings :)

    [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

    edit/ hmmm - What's that top of the window :huh: looks like advertising, very strange (screenshot made using minicap/FARR combination, FF was behind, tried again & was normal but will leave it here - nothing to do with Notebox I dont think)
    BTW - it's portable
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 17, 2008, 08:14 AM
    Yeah, tomos. I just recently tried the program myself. Ironically after having finally reached that portion of the text that you quoted in the notetaking thread.

    I don't know if it's just me not knowing how to use Excel but I really tried to like the program but found it too confusing to use.

    The addition of the excel three pane pretty much meant that I had to scroll down each row in order to find an item or sacrifice my notepad size by dragging it down. Even then, I feel like I'm back to why I hated three pane rss readers.

    P.S. Yeah, I know it can be made into a one screen click preview but when I do that, now I have all my headlines in views but no way to quickly move through the notes without closing one after another just to get back the excel view.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 17, 2008, 04:51 PM
    #1
    The thing that makes this arrangement work for me is a very nice little library program from Norway called BookCAT. It's published by FNProgramvare.  ( www.fnprg.com ) Complete documentation and a fully functional evaluation copy are available for download.

    #2
    About a year ago I bit the bullet and got my entire collection entered into BookCAT.

    I was motivated to do so by two separate 'incidents'. The first was the discovery that several irreplaceable books I owned were missing. I vaguely remembered loaning some of them out, but I couldn't even begin to recall to whom or when. (I'm suffering from the early stages of an affliction called AGE.) The other 'incident' was my discovering that I had duplicate copies of a dozen or so fairly expensive books (SAMS and O'Reilly titles!). Apparently, I bought, forgot I owned, and then re-bought some books! Not the most cost effective way to do things.

    Getting the books entered took about two weeks of parttime effort with me crawing from place to place with my laptop and a cup of coffee when I had nothing better to do. It wasn't as big a chore as it could have been because the program supports online information lookups using the ISBN number. Pop in the ISBN and you can download all the publisher details into your database.

    Using a database for a book collection is liberating. Retrieval is the critical issue - not storage. Once you have a reliable reference and location tool, the whole issue of physical storage and organization becomes almost moot.

    Now it no longer matters where I put a book - or who I loaned it to. I can even keep my lesser used titles in numbered boxes up in the attic. And they don't even need to be organized or categorized before they get put away. Titles can be shelved, stored, and stashed at will. I can find any title quite quickly as long as I keep its current location updated in the database.

    One interesting feature: BookCAT uses MS Access as its database. The documentation that comes with the program gives full details on the database table structure. This allows for extensive customization of the application should you have sufficient expertise using Access.

    A fine program. Not free, but at $40 US it's very reasonable. Highly recommended.

    This post highlights how far we’ve all strayed from the ocean and the difficulty of separating a topic like this because of the risk of never encountering these kinds of tales and experiences and yet at the same time, the necessity, of doing so because of the risk of lesser people willing to comment and share these kinds of experiences.

    It’s very interesting because I’ve never linked my search for these programs to a single inspiration or source before until I read what you said here and now that I think about it, if I ever even had a library the size of a medieval monastery as opposed to these small plastic storage boxes, I too would probably be using a catalog program and maybe not even pay much attention to these database/outliner/highlighter programs that I’m so adamant on discovering. Not that I didn’t know this after your reply on Zotero but I had an “aahhh....” moment when half-way through reading your post, I was about to write something along the lines of “I could never get into these kind of programs” only to stop myself after reading through your explanation and I finally gained this epiphany, this realization that the reason I couldn’t get into cataloging but instead am so attached to a database sort of program is because I was never attached to my books...but I was attracted by the information it contained inside.

    It doesn’t sound shocking when I write it but inside my head, I really had to spend some time contemplating this...”truth” because I’ve always love stories, I like reading lots of texts and I’m like a kid in a candy store around anything that has lots of books, be it a bookstore or a library...and yet...deep down, I was never really that guy who reads enough to be a bookworm, never been that one who you can hand me a large text of book and had no trouble repicking and rereading it all again. I was never all that.

    In fact, I dream of one day being able to read all my books and be able to participate in Book Crossing (http://www.bookcrossing.com/) and just forget about all of them and I think having a small storage had that effect on me. What really attracted me to this search wasn’t really just outlining information, what really attracted me to these programs was because I wanted to redefine the library because I never got one and I never ever wanted one even though before this, I was jealous and believed that I wanted to have one.

    What I wanted wasn’t just a library, I wanted a journal...but I don’t want that either because it feels like I’m cataloging my life. No, what I wanted was something that is a cross but...not really either because my main interest in wanting to extract something from highlights and it being my main motivation for reading through on something, almost being an obsession that have crippled me from reading a real book after I’ve gotten used to doing this with webpages using Diigo screams like I wanted something more along the lines of a Casual Researcher Tools but also not that, because it’s oxymoronic to think that there’s such a thing as a Casual Researcher and that it is not just a play on the words, Poor Researcher so the truth is, I still don’t know but now it feels like I know more than before I read your post so...thank you.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 17, 2008, 05:55 PM
    I was taking a philosophy course as part of my University Core requirement when the whole topic of knowledge, learning, and gnosis came up. It made for an interesting week's worth of finely honed discussion.

    But what was even more valuable came at the end of the week when some of the class took Prof. Blakely up on his offer to "continue this discussion over over some stuffed quahogs and a pint (more like eight actually)  of Guinness Stout."

    In the course of a long and very pleasant evening, the Good Professor gently engaged us in a dialog about what we aspired to in the course of our lives. I had a bit more of a problem clarifying what I was trying to accomplish than most of the others.

    The closest I could get was saying I wanted to "grasp the larger pattern" of things.

    "Ahhh," Professor Blakely said, and laughed. "So you aspire to omniscience, do you?"

    ***

    Yeah. That sounds about right. I do.


    FWIW: There was a great essay about databases in the (long defunct) Whole Earth Software Catalog that made an interesting observation: Databases will save you or they'll bury you. I don't think truer words were ever spoken. Because deep down inside, many of us know that all these tools (databases, outliners, thinker-toys, etc.) are some of the most addictive drugs ever created.

    And much like chemical drugs, they can keep creative people from doing anything other than enjoying the 'fix' they provide. They make you think you're being creative, when many times all you're doing is making superfluous preparations to start creating. Or learning...

    I love all these neat tools. I just have to be careful to keep them in perspective.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Grorgy on September 17, 2008, 06:28 PM
    I love all these neat tools. I just have to be careful to keep them in perspective.

    This is so true 40hz and you can find comments about that sort of thing  on almost any of the productivity sites/blogs and no doubt on the writing sites.  When it all boils down, if you want to write or be productive or whatever it is, then the tool you use is probably the least important thing (though its also perhaps the most fun to try and find, and to put off what it is you are really trying to accomplish)

    Photography is another good example, people have been making excellent images long before photoshop turned up, long before computers turned up, a good photographer will take a good photograph with any old camera, they will maybe make a better one with a fancy modern camera, but its their creativity and knowledge of what makes a photo good not the tools they use to do it.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 17, 2008, 08:25 PM
    I agree with both of you though I'm not sure if what 40hz posted was a koan or a real life recent incident.  :D

    I don't think a life record are in the same category as creativity and productivity though. Both of those things can be channeled at a whim with no previous experience but a record...that's something that becomes an inconvenience the farther it strays from a methodology the person absorbing the information reacts well to.

    Yes, anyone can grab a journal and read it but at what point does it become just another book that the person could have read? and if it becomes just another book, then at what point does the reader know that they could be spending better time reading something else and not miss a crucial information at the end? and at what point does every book stop being a journal of the person writing it? and if this is the case, then at what point does a journal become something that buries it's reader rather than prepare him for the present?

    To what end must every man need to sacrifice himself before he learns from the past and not be held back by the lack of concrete chainlinks between the paradigm shifts that have occurred in his culture, in his society and in his environment?

    The obsession of productivity and creativity...I think every person can begin without ever reading a book on it. They may even excel and discover something new because of it.

    A link to the past though... A link to the present though...

    How far can you go without obsession to unearth the heart of those who've passed when even something as simple an event as the state before "The September that Never Ended" could not be gathered without occupying one's time entirely at a single Google page full of quality links?

    I ask you dear sage; would you learn just as good about how forums work and how bloggers differ if you knew less software like the man who created the line by painting downwards on the walls of a cave?

    I ask you again, how many of you are here and now because you were forced by circumstances and how many of you are here because you are who you are: a person who learned where your lesser brethren failed?

    No, my dear Professor. Omniscience is the stuff of youth and the grail of all who've achieved greatness.

    "I shall not wait for the dice roll to turn me into a Demi-God. Born from a creature of greatness by which whom shall leave grains of knowledge for me to gather."

    No, my dear Professor. Omniscience is unreachable to those who are suffering through failure but hoping that one day we would get amnesia and be able to pass on our life to our identity without damning the rest of our lives through translation. However, the desire to tell our failures to our future clones who are about to fail...those are within our grasps and yes, Professor, just as we all eventually die, we all would eventually fail. It's just a matter of when we start thinking that and when we are able to capably pass on our future tales to those of us in the future so that they may add their failures to their future selves that counts. May they one day be twice the failure that we have become.
     
    P.S. Sorry for the melodramatic post but the thread went into such a twist that I couldn't resist.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 17, 2008, 10:19 PM
    re: Writing

    Thanks for the info on Compendium. I've downloaded it and I'm putting it through it's paces. A very interesting application to say the least, even if you need to install MySQL to use it. Now that I've played with Compendium and gotten a feel for it's methodology I'm beginning to see the potential for a lot future use. A definite find! :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

    BTW: The reason I couldn't originally download Compendium was because Google directed me to Compendium-TA by mistake. Compendium-TA is an outliner. Their website can be found at: www.compendiumdev.co.uk/compendium-ta/default.php

    (And yes, the download links for that app are still broken.  Boo hiss!!!  ;))

    I don't think you need to have MySQL. I just use the default Derby database but then that's because I don't really know what MySQL is other than it's a database and I don't have a server.

    The Compendium Outliner is quite an interesting beast. I couldn't find it anywhere near the top results when searching for just Compendium but typing Compendium Outliner shows it at top and it looks and feels so similar to the other Compendium if the searchee doesn't know any better so I'm wondering if there's some plagiarism involved.

    In the meantime, you might want to take a look at Papel. Papel is a free-form note taking and organizing tool that uses a desktop-like metaphor.
     (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=14696.msg130426#msg130426))
    Publisher's Description
    A new software tool designed for authors of fictional stories. It allows you to write creatively and intuitively without logical tasks interfering with the flow of your ideas.

    Rather than using lists and tables to keep track of the various parts of your writing project, it works visually, just as Windows does.

    You simply create new papels in the main project window, name them and set their type (described below). Papels are easily identifiable, as each type has it´s own icon, and the descriptive name you gave it is displayed with it.

    Papel allows you to keep track of all the scraps of writing you create along the way, and instantly reminds you of what goes where by the way you group them in your project. Papels can be moved around with your mouse, renamed, and the type changed if you wish. Once everything is ready for publishing, you simply import the text files into your word processor for final formatting to the desired publishing standard.

    Features:

        * Visual on-screen representation of your writing project sections.
        * Drag & Drop interface for easy grouping of related pieces of work, notes, etc.
        * Individual icons for each piece of work, including Chapter, Scene, Male Character, Female Character, Plot Outline, Dialogue, and Note.
        * Simple papel naming system, with automatic file saving under the given name.
        * Find, Replace, Word Count,Spell Checking & Thesaurus in editor.
        * Multi-sizeable project window with up to 8 times your screen size.
        * Configurable and saveable Editor font and size.
        * Saveable default Application and Editor window positions.


    Downloading Papel can get a little tricky since the product's homepage seems to have gone missing recently.
    This download link does work however:

    http://download.freewarefiles.com/files/Papel_Setup.exe

    Unfortunately Papel doesn't bring anything new that Compendium couldn't do. It could possibly be more lightweight but it's also much more rigid and the whole application feels more like something users comfortable with FreeMind would want because of the insert key hotkey but I found it very constrained and too basic on top of all that.

    I also didn't try putting lots of items in it but I don't think it can handle that because I didn't see any Aerial View option out in the open.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 18, 2008, 06:05 AM
    I agree with both of you though I'm not sure if what 40hz posted was a koan or a real life recent incident.  :D

    Koan? Koan? We don't need no steenking koans! ;D

    "Lets see," he said, puffing as he hauled out the box that contained his collection of old college papers and daybooks...

    Wednesday, 10/17: Chestnut Hill MA. Professor Blakely/Introduction to Metaphysics Outing Invite. (He's buying!!!) Blakely, Doc, Gina, Mary-Phil, Tom, me, and all 3 Steves. We started at Durgin Park for seafood, and wound up over in Cambridge at a place near 33 Dunster Street ...

    <<*** Cue Soundtrack: Time Passages by Al Stewart**>

    I'm not enlightened enough to be making koans. The occasional zinger is as close as I ever get.  ;D
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 18, 2008, 06:20 AM
    I'm not enlightened enough to be making koans. The occasional zinger is as close as I ever get.  :)

    Don't worry, I'm not enlightened enough to know the difference.  ;D
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on September 18, 2008, 06:24 AM
    I'm not enlightened enough to be making koans. The occasional zinger is as close as I ever get.  :)

    Don't worry, I'm not enlightened enough to know the difference.  ;D

    Makes two of us then ;D

    Oh well, duty calls... One more client's Windows 2000 Server (that should have been upgraded to Windows 2003 two years ago >:() is refusing to reboot.

    Off to Stamford for another fun-filled day! :)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 18, 2008, 06:42 AM
    Have fun. Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out whether to get back to Diigo or not. The highlight order are back to normal again. No mails, no replies just back to the way it used to be before. I'm not sure what to think.  :huh:
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 20, 2008, 01:26 PM
    Currently Considering:

    1) PageFour

    and

    2) SQLNotes

    Might take a week or two to try SQLNotes in depth before coming back to this thread so aloha everyone.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Dormouse on September 20, 2008, 03:25 PM
    If you are looking at PageFour, I'd suggest you also look at TreeDBNotes
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 20, 2008, 05:22 PM
    Thanks for the warning Dormouse. I've actually tried TreeDBNotes before and it wasn't for me. The reason I actually planned to test out PageFour was because it looked like a simple novel writing software based on the screenshots but if it's just another tree based outliner, I think I'll skip it and focus on SQLNotes instead
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 20, 2008, 06:24 PM
    Ok, just another quick update: If anyone knows of a Windows equivalent to this program, please post here.

    http://homepage.mac.com/toddvasquez/Ready-Set-Do!/Personal93.html (http://homepage.mac.com/toddvasquez/Ready-Set-Do!/Personal93.html)


    edit by jgpaiva: corrected url (why do people build webpages with strange characters to their urls? bah!)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on September 22, 2008, 12:41 AM
    Just another quick update:

    After reading this (http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/760/0/beeswax--blast-from-the-past) topic about an old school PIM, it struck me that there isn't a definite minimalistic standard a data dump application should have but obviously people have their core set of definition judging by the popularity of RTM, Google Notebook and EverNote over more feature filled alternatives so I just like to inquire what's everyone's preferred minimalistic apps or feature list to gain some insight on my own needs.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on October 03, 2008, 04:30 AM
    Hi, feeling really sick right now so just a quick bump.

    -Still trying to figure out SQLNotes though I've been feeling too weak to get the motivation to read the SQLNotes thread.
    -Planning on testing Sciral's Consistency and searching for other desktop variations of habit trackers. Thanks to Apps' AnotherOneDone for reminding me of these kinds of softwares.
    -Planning to do a review on Hordit
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Armando on October 03, 2008, 09:02 AM
    Hi, feeling really sick right now so just a quick bump.

    -Still trying to figure out SQLNotes though I've been feeling too weak to get the motivation to read the SQLNotes thread.



    Take care of your health and then go have a look there (http://sites.google.com/site/infoqube/Home) (http://sites.google.com/site/infoqube/Home) and there too : http://sqlnotes.wikispaces.com/


    SQLNotes is in the process of changing name (slowly getting out of its beta phase) to become InfoQube or IQ.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: superboyac on October 03, 2008, 01:10 PM
    Hey!  Good choice for the name, I like it!

    Paul, you and mouser are probably having similar difficulties with SQLNotes.  I had the same issues in the beginning (probably more).  Put in the effort to figure it out.  Most likely, if SN can't do what you're trying to do, there probably isn't another information management system available yet that can.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: suleika on October 05, 2008, 06:58 PM
    Have you tried all-weather paper?  There are a lot of products out there.  For the odd short reminder I have a chinagraph pencil in the shower (aka grease pencil or wax pencil) and write on directly onto the wall - it cleans off perfectly.

    I've heard of the paper but I really didn't feel like they were an affordable option especially for short note taking but a chinagraph pencil, there's something I haven't heard of before. What are the things to look out for when buying such a pencil?

    Sorry I didn't notice your question till now.  I got my chinagraph pencils from a serious stationary store.   Chinagraph pencil is basically like wax crayons but less soft and wrapped in a protective way.  I don't know where you're from and it might be called something different, but you can probably find it once you search for the correct term.

    As to the all-weather paper - from what you describe, you could have a rolling notebook, where you write, and then transfer your notes elsewhere.  Then you simply cross out the original entry and you wouldn't need to start a new page or waste paper.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Darwin on October 05, 2008, 07:11 PM
    Chinagraph pencil is basically like wax crayons but less soft and wrapped in a protective way.

    You could also invest in either a Fisher Space Pen (http://www.spacepen.ca/cdn-english/history.htm) or a Fisher Space Pen Refill (http://www.spacepen.ca/StoreBox/spacepenrefills.htm)...
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: suleika on October 05, 2008, 08:23 PM
    You could also invest in either a Fisher Space Pen (http://www.spacepen.ca/cdn-english/history.htm) or a Fisher Space Pen Refill (http://www.spacepen.ca/StoreBox/spacepenrefills.htm)...

    I always meant to buy a Fisher Space Pen.  Every now and then I want to write on a non-horizontal surface and drive myself mad jiggling and shaking my rollerball. The space pens seemed much more expensive back when I first became aware of them.  I think I shall get one now - thanks for the reminder!

    The point of the chinagraph pencil is not just that it is waterproof and writes on vertical surfaces, but that on non-porous surfaces (glass, plastic, laminate, photographic paper, mylar) it is completely non-permanent; it lays a waxy deposit that wipes off cleanly.  I've seen it used in conveyor-belt sushi restaurants and other places where they need to temporarily mark time-codes.  And it's cheap.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Darwin on October 05, 2008, 09:09 PM
    And it's cheap.

    Cheap is good. Very good. I was just thinking that for jotting down notes in the shower, a pen would be easier to use than a wax crayon. However, if one could write ON the shower stall, transfer one's notes at a later time, and then clean the shower stall - BETTER  :Thmbsup:
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: 40hz on October 06, 2008, 08:06 AM
    And it's cheap.

    Cheap is good. Very good. I was just thinking that for jotting down notes in the shower, a pen would be easier to use than a wax crayon. However, if one could write ON the shower stall, transfer one's notes at a later time, and then clean the shower stall - BETTER  :Thmbsup:

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    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: gtoal on October 07, 2008, 11:12 PM
    Thanks gtoal but how do you use it?

    compile it, then write a batch file with commands in it like

    hakihaki < file.txt > file.html

    any time you update file.txt, just double-click the batch file.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on October 17, 2008, 01:51 AM
    Hey, sorry for letting this topic run dry. Still not feeling well but mostly it's because I've been caught in the Twitter/Plurk net that I haven't replied.

    I'm also going to have to set this aside as I recently realize that my lifestyle was in fact way more unproductive than I originally thought so I'll be checking off things in my growing to do list for awhile until I reach this entry just to be more focused on editing this.

    Hi, feeling really sick right now so just a quick bump.

    -Still trying to figure out SQLNotes though I've been feeling too weak to get the motivation to read the SQLNotes thread.



    Take care of your health and then go have a look there (http://sites.google.com/site/infoqube/Home) (http://sites.google.com/site/infoqube/Home) and there too : http://sqlnotes.wikispaces.com/


    SQLNotes is in the process of changing name (slowly getting out of its beta phase) to become InfoQube or IQ.


    Thanks but I was referring more towards the DC thread on the program as I skimmed those notes. Based on my conversation with Tomos, the documentation falls short due to the program being constantly updated so I decided to skip that.

    Nice change of name. I admit I still don't get the whole cubifying information since you can't simultaneously achieve the effect but it's a less scarier name for those of us who don't know what SQL is.

    Paul, you and mouser are probably having similar difficulties with SQLNotes.  I had the same issues in the beginning (probably more).  Put in the effort to figure it out.  Most likely, if SN can't do what you're trying to do, there probably isn't another information management system available yet that can.

    Yeah, I read your post about it. It's too bad I haven't reached the part where it solved this issue for you. (although the guys were quick to give you an example with the basketball thing)

    Sorry I didn't notice your question till now.  I got my chinagraph pencils from a serious stationary store.   Chinagraph pencil is basically like wax crayons but less soft and wrapped in a protective way.  I don't know where you're from and it might be called something different, but you can probably find it once you search for the correct term.

    This thing looks like it's rarer than I originally expected. Do you know of a cheap online store that sells these in sets?

    As to the all-weather paper - from what you describe, you could have a rolling notebook, where you write, and then transfer your notes elsewhere.  Then you simply cross out the original entry and you wouldn't need to start a new page or waste paper.

    This is true but how do you keep the other pages from getting wet?

    compile it, then write a batch file with commands in it like

    hakihaki < file.txt > file.html

    any time you update file.txt, just double-click the batch file.

    Oh, I meant the actual content of the wiki.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on October 17, 2008, 01:54 AM
    Btw here's (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844653/board/nest/117618690?d=120192575&p=3#120192575) a quote that supports my case that many of the novel writing software I tested didn't get:

    Similarities will be found between any fantasy story. Finding a story that is 100% unique is probably impossible. But I agree that sometimes Goodkind is a little too blatantly obvious. But then, when trying to tell a story I am sure you will end up with a solution that works great, then realize that soemone else have already used that exact solution. What are you gonna do? scrap your project?

    The difference between SoT and WoT is that SoT tells a story and have things come in as they are needed, while WoT tells a story in a set world.

    SoT have a distinct theme for each book (its stated by Goodkind on his website). Everything in the book is based on supporting that theme. An effect of this is how certain places and people are there for just one book and then is never heard from again. Examples are the pacifist empire, gars/Gratch, Blood of the Fold, etc. These are all in one book and gets resolved in the end (either by getting killed of, or leaving). Of course he did bring back some in the last book, but my basic theory still holds.

    In effect, Goodkind creates the world around the story: 'Oh I need a old mysterious place, write it in'. This is why the map of the world is so vague. It gives Goodkind greater freedom in creating his story. he is free to go to any place since it is created just to get the story moving in the right way.

    WoT on the other hand is a story taking place in a set world. When Goodkind creates his world to support his story, Jordan sets his story in a 'existing world'. Therefore he gets bogged down in details, and a lot of characters, since they still exist in this world, while in SoT anyone not realted to the theme in the book isn't mentioned at all.

    Personally I find SoT a good book, a bit preachy, but in the end a good story. I found WoT to be superior in storytelling and giving me the ffeling of being immersed in a richer world. The negative side is the slow pace and the feeling of reading a soap opera (minor plotlines that never really gets resolved, always springing up new minor plotlines) rather than a story.

    My perceived difference between the authors is that Goodkind wants to preach a message, while Jordan wants to tell a story.

    I also think Jordan does a better job with some of his characters (most of the female ones are all the same), he has characters with weaknesses and flaws, while SoT has very one-dimensional characters (ironically some people say the opposite and that SoT has very realistic characters). Name one flaw Richard has, yeah there really aren't any: he is super good looking, really strong, apparently got the perfect athletic body, works hard, never slacks, honest, selfless, unstoppable killing machine, instinctively knows more about magic than anyone else etc. etc. I found it rather annoying at the end. Other characters are just as one-sided. Kahlan is basically just a female copy of Richard for example.

    While reading Jordan's first book I constantly thought that the characters were too weak and frail to win against the dark one, and that the odds against them were too high. Reading SoT I just sit there and wait for Richard to come up with the perfect solution to all troubles a la Deus ex Machina in every single book.

    SoT has a good story and it gets its message across, but WoT has a richer and more encompassing world.


    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: suleika on October 19, 2008, 10:17 PM
    Sorry I didn't notice your question till now.  I got my chinagraph pencils from a serious stationary store.   Chinagraph pencil is basically like wax crayons but less soft and wrapped in a protective way.  I don't know where you're from and it might be called something different, but you can probably find it once you search for the correct term.

    This thing looks like it's rarer than I originally expected. Do you know of a cheap online store that sells these in sets?

    Where are you based?  You might be having bad luck finding it because of unfortunate terminology.  Check out the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinagraph_pencil) and google some other names - you might find a source more quickly than you expect.  If you can buy just one to try it out, you can always source a pack of them later.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on October 19, 2008, 11:24 PM
    I'm based in the Philippines so yeah, it's kind of hard to find the right terminology in our native tongue.

    Edit: I'm also not an expert in Google keyword searches.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 18, 2008, 02:53 PM
    Whew! Finally got one but the pen isn't as quick to erase as I expected. Is there supposed to be a specially designed eraser for it? It washes out but there are still outlines of the texts and those are as hard as actual markers to wash off.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 18, 2008, 04:08 PM
    Just putting this here as a reminder:

    For some reason, I can't find a simple app that does this.

    Basically what I want is a check list program that repeats the check list like a session.

    Sure, there are to do list programs with recurring events but none that does this that resides at the systray.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: superboyac on November 18, 2008, 05:39 PM
    Just putting this here as a reminder:

    For some reason, I can't find a simple app that does this.

    Basically what I want is a check list program that repeats the check list like a session.

    Sure, there are to do list programs with recurring events but none that does this that resides at the systray.
    I don't know what you mean.  If possible, please explain in more detail how the program should work.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 19, 2008, 06:25 AM
    The core idea is basically a to do list program that you can keep repeating without a pre-defined scheduled time.

    Ex.

    Say I have a set of search engines for just doing a search on a specific video.

    Now this could possibley be what I have on a notetaking tool of any kind.

    =Metacafe
    =Youtube
    =Oxytube
    =Revver
    =Viddler
    =Google

    I could even have this as a browser session for easier usage. Problem is, I might lose track of which item I have searched for already. This is unlikely but I could see it happening as I search for more key words.

    So I set up a to do list/check list to do this. Unfortunately now I have to keep rewriting the to do list. Of course, I could just copy paste these items but I thought it would be easier to manage if a program specifically sets out so you can repeat this template over and over again. I'd settle for OneNote's templates but I find inserting a template as pretty much at length with just copy pasting/rewriting the to do list all over again.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on November 19, 2008, 06:35 AM
    I'm interested in something similar -I think- I say "I think" cause I'm afraid I still dont understand what exactly you want Paul

    do you want a todo list of items that you can easily reproduce & make variation on?
    or
    do you want a todo list hat you can simply reuse when it done - start over - to-do again?

    do you have a set bunch of actions (as example of searches above) that you want to do/apply to various items/words/whatever ?
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 19, 2008, 07:38 AM
    Tomos, I think what you're asking is inseparable IMO.

    As a base model, the latter can satisfy me but of course if there's a program for the former, the better.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on November 19, 2008, 07:43 AM
    Tomos, I think what you're asking is inseparable IMO.

    As a base model, the latter can satisfy me but of course if there's a program for the former, the better.

    does that mean you're not going to answer my questions ;D  :tellme:

    here's a couple more:
    what's the former ? 
    what's the latter ?

    (I'm not taking the piss - I really dont know what you're referring to ...)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 19, 2008, 07:57 AM
     ;D

    This is the former:

    do you want a todo list of items that you can easily reproduce & make variation on?

    This is the latter:

    do you want a todo list hat you can simply reuse when it done - start over - to-do again?

    I would probably want some of these things though they aren't necessary:

    1) Ability to organize the same sets of to do lists together on a section so that you would know which keyword you are searching on.

    Ex.
    Folder = These sets of to do list
    a. Name of keyword 1
    b. Name of keyword 2
    c. Name of keyword 3

    2) Ability to save the state of the to do list.

    3) Online sync

    4) Export/Import to <favorite program>

    5) Ability to set priorities, goals, labels, tags, etc. (Basically a portable Remember the Milk or Toodledo but that's like what all mini-to do lists should strive for anyway)

    6) FARR/Launchy/Slickrun/RocketDock integration

    7) Portable

    8) Hotkeys/Keyboard-only compatible

    9) Large Colorful icons/Multiple Skins/Pretty Graphical User Interface
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on November 19, 2008, 08:14 AM
    thanks for clarifying Paul,
    I was confused because I had three questions. Numbers 1 & 3 were related,
    so former and latter werent communicating to me

    numbering is good - I'll do that next time I've questions ;)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: superboyac on November 19, 2008, 12:16 PM
    As with most of your requests, this sounds like a very particular and uncommon thing.  I can't think of an application that does this the way you describe.  Also, I'm still a little confused, but I think I get the idea.

    Here's my thoughts.  You can probably write something in InfoQube with a function that may be able to do this, but I can't think of how exactly.  Yes, many todo programs have a feature for recurring tasks, but they are tied to time intervals.  The only one I can think of is this obscure program called Sciral Consistency (http://sciral.com/consistency/).  It's a weird little program, but kind of cool because it offers a way to do seemingly insignificant, recurring tasks without a exact-date schedule.

    That's my best suggestion.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 19, 2008, 04:14 PM
    Thanks. Glad to know there are still basic programs out there that haven't been made in bunches.

    Nah, IQ and Sciral Consistency won't work for reasons that they aren't quite systray programs. (Not that they couldn't be minimized in the systray.)

    Not only that but these kinds of tweak can be done more systray friendly using Evernote 2's template system, a Google Chrome app Joe's Goals and OneNote's template system. Even a tag based notetaker or MDI notepad would work.

    It's not so much that these functionalities can't be replicated elsewhere. I would even think that The Form Letter or the recent Just to do it program that's in one of the recent topics in DC would eventually evolve to something like that.

    It's just as you said, there's no specific program that comes to mind.

    It's all tweaks and that defeats the speed by which to organize and manage these lists which is the key benefit that an app like this would have.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Armando on November 19, 2008, 11:52 PM
    I was going to suggest MLO (My life organized), but... No web sync... Unless you're willing to go use Outlook as a channel, and then from there to somewhere else.

    and it might not have the "Large Colorful icons/Multiple Skins/Pretty Graphical User Interface" you're looking for (I like the interface, but it's fairly simple -- no big colorful icons...)

    Apart from that... it seems to fit the bill...

    well, unless :

    - Which <favorite program> to export to do you have in mind ?

    - A systray program...? What do you mean by that ? A program is a program, whether it shows in the systray or not... No?
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 20, 2008, 04:27 AM
    Well, a proper systray program is often designed with speed, snappiness and direct to the point interface in mind. Some might call it minimalistic and straight to the point although I've seen exceptions.

    A good example of these are Adobe Air apps. Many can eat memory, are not portable but the user interface can be less busier than an actual program tweak to do more advanced stuff. This is something where MLO (when I've tried it before in the past) doesn't achieve, interface aside.

    That isn't to say such a full program can't be used but I really think it's better that the program only contains a few core features to manage to do lists of these sort and nothing else. The more content it allows in and the more this program strives to be a full to do list, the longer it takes to separate these lists with ones that you don't need repeated and even though it's still possible to navigate through it, eventually things might bog down to the point that you're much faster picking up an index card, writing several similar copies of the list on it and using it when you need to.

    It really should be for lists that you find you need rewriting often enough but not often enough that you couldn't just abuse the copy-paste mechanism and have them structured in such a way that doesn't require an overt digging of all the other information that you have as to provide the snappiness in accessing several of these lists because without that snappiness, you could just simply write it down on Notepad and copy paste it and it would be like spending around the same time digging through a much more advanced notetaker/to do list program.

     
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on November 20, 2008, 04:45 AM
    ... you're much faster picking up an index card, writing several similar copies of the list on it and using it when you need to.

    forgot to post this yesterday:
    how about printer/paper !?!

    for a while (last years GOE experiment) I printed a daily schedule PDF template, & I added in (to PDF) tasks that had to be done daily. Didnt suit my needs in the end but point being you could probably figure out some method that would avoid writing/rewriting
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 20, 2008, 04:59 AM
    The problem with that is I don't have much space for paper and I don't keep them organized. You should see how many mini-notebooks I have with pages full of text in them that I ended up never revisiting again.

    There's also the case of a lack of central place to store them so I'm always hitting myself on the head for throwing that 500 page paper away.

    Index cards would be worse. They're small, easy to misplace and they're addictively disposable by nature. Not exactly the type of set up for something pending.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: tomos on November 20, 2008, 05:45 AM
    I printed on A4 pages and got myself in & out trays  :P
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 20, 2008, 06:06 AM
    Yeah that would be along the lines of too much space for me.  :P
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: city_zen on November 21, 2008, 12:28 AM
    Have you tried the Open Source donationware ToDoList (http://www.abstractspoon.com/tdl_resources.html)?

    From their website:

    ToDoList is a rare form of task management tool, one that allows you to repeatedly sub-divide your tasks into more manageable pieces whilst still presenting a clean and intuitive user experience.

    ToDoList has been in continuous development for the last 4 years and is an ongoing project.

    Your tasklists are stored in XML which provides many opportunities for advanced formatting and printing using stylesheets.


    I think it fulfills several of your requirements
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 21, 2008, 07:14 AM
    city_zen, I don't get the program. Where does it allow you to save a session of your to do list?
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: city_zen on November 21, 2008, 08:25 PM
    Paul, I don't think it lets you save the tasklist as a "session", but you can easily overcome that by first creating a "default" tasklist, and then opening it and saving it with another name to keep the "default" one unchanged and have it available later as a sort of template. You can then work with the newly saved tasklist and save its state whenever you like. The program also gives you the option (in Preferences) to keep a number of backup copies of each tasklist.

    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 22, 2008, 12:20 AM
    Thanks but I don't think that's going to work for me.

    See, the thing with basing it around a "session" is organization so that when these things run amok you can easily find them and change/clone them in less time than it takes to copy paste/rewrite/reprint the to do list.

    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Armando on November 22, 2008, 12:59 AM
    I'm saying the obvious, but here : unless you write your own application or pay someone to write it for you, it's very unlikely (still... ok... slightly possible) that you'll find exactly what you want, with all the mini details. Software and organization is a lot about compromise -- right? Compromise and choices about security, accessibility, flexibility, ease of use, portability, scalability, sexiness, price, etc. etc.

    One needs to find something that's close enough and try to work with it, find ingenious solutions (use one's imagination, creativity...) to circumvent limitations. Sometimes it's a combination of different software that'll create the best solution. Sometimes one has to adapt his/her ways of doing things slightly to match the software's design, etc.

    There are no perfect software. I don't have one software -- especially the ones that I intensely use everyday -- that's perfect. They're all great, but they always have a little something I wish was different. Isn't this the same with... anything else in life?

    I tend to obsess too about these types of things (it's a disease) : trying to find the perfect tool for such and such, the perfect career, the perfect place to live, etc. But in the end, really, it's probably not that important -- unless, of course, one likes the fun of always looking for that "thing" that's "better" than what here and now. Nothing wrong with that, I guess... depends.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on November 22, 2008, 04:07 PM
    Software and organization is a lot about compromise -- right? Compromise and choices about security, accessibility, flexibility, ease of use, portability, scalability, sexiness, price, etc. etc.

    I disagree. That to me would be equivalent to saying that one should not need to search for an application because many Windows have come pre-installed with MS Office Suite on it.

    I do get what you're saying about creating the app myself though but that is the bane that comes with ignorance. Also, prior to this, I don't know if such apps existed so I had to ask.

    One needs to find something that's close enough and try to work with it, find ingenious solutions (use one's imagination, creativity...) to circumvent limitations. Sometimes it's a combination of different software that'll create the best solution. Sometimes one has to adapt his/her ways of doing things slightly to match the software's design, etc.

    That's true. I already had one of these so I no longer need to search for tweaked alternatives unless the alternative is better for me.

    Currently, I just use Akelpad with Auto-Save and Minimize to Tray plugin, MDI mode in conjunction with Launchy.

    For online syncs, on the short term I just use Dropbox.

    For templates, I copy the list over to LastPass' secure notes as I don't want it cluttering Google Notebook with all the other snippets.

    For long term, I just use my preferred to do list program after a copy paste.



    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on January 14, 2009, 09:49 AM
    Hi, sorry I've been pre-occupied lately and haven't worked on the thread.

    Two new types of software I'm looking out for:

    1. Minimalistic Lightweight Tag-based Notetaker

    As mentioned in this (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=16447.0;topicseen) thread, Incollector isn't stable enough and Evernote is too bloated and search engine-centric to work well. Also Tobu has a flawed interface that could easily be worked on.

    It would be even better if you could search/filter by tags from FARR.

    2. Minimalistic Tag-based Micro-Journal software

    I've tried doing this with Plurk but it's just too unstable and the search is too poor to do any decent filtering. Recently I've been doing this in Google Calendar but it isn't exactly made for re-visiting the dates of old threads. Outlook's interface is too busy and it is too heavy. Notepads are difficult to filter out and using a full fledged diary software is too distracting. Wikis can work but they aren't exactly tag-based easy to view either and again, too busy of an interface.

    Thanks in advance to anyone who can suggest a better alternative.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: kartal on January 14, 2009, 12:41 PM
    I am trying this at the moment. It is pretty cool and based on go binder, allows stylus input, handwriting etc. The onyl things that bother me are

    -Interface is slow
    -No real calendar import export
    -No Ical support


    http://shopping.franklinplanner.com/shopping/catalog/productsoftware.jsp?navAction=push&crc=cat30011&navCount=0&id=prod510002
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on January 14, 2009, 01:23 PM
    Not to sound slow kartal but what is it?

    The implementation of Franklin Covey got me interested but the screenshots look even scarier than SQLNotes and my PC doesn't have much juice to handle a slow application. (It already hanged because I have Firefox, Chrome, ThinkingRock and Compendium opened at the same time)
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: kartal on January 14, 2009, 01:30 PM
    It is a calendar, todo, task, note application. It is nowhere near sqlnotes as far as feature set or complexity. It is great for using with a tablet pc, you can write your notes or tasks rather than typing them if you have a tablet pc or digitizer. You can type as well but I use a tablet pc and this does all.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on January 14, 2009, 11:13 PM
    Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to try it out sometime. Not too high on all-in-one apps so the motivation isn't here right now.
    Title: Re: List of newbie questions regarding software
    Post by: Paul Keith on January 19, 2009, 09:11 AM
    Ok, anyone know any app that cuts the text to the core points?

    Seriously, I have WAY too many people not replying in any of my topics as much as I expected them to be. Just a recent example is the Opera topic I made in DC.