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Title: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2014, 05:43 AM
PC Magazine writer Neil Rubenking wrote a massive and very useful review of security suites (antivirus + firewall) for PC Magazine recently, with ratings and detailed observations.

The chart below summarizes our findings for three dozen current security suites, highlighting overall scores and category scores of 4.0 stars or better. It's easy to see that some products earned high scores in all or nearly all the categories, while others got just a few high scores.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369749,00.asp


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 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369749,00.asp)

I may not agree with everything written but it's darn useful.  See also some newer PC mag security reviews that came out after the roundup here (http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,2806,1639159,00.asp).
See also: http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/security-software/320581-in-security-best-protection-and-best-performance-need-not-conflict
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on February 13, 2014, 08:59 AM
I tend to shy away from the suites on my personal PC since they often include things I don't want or have the patience for. I'm running Bitdefender AV Plus on almost everything I have using Windows right now and I'm happy with the performance and protection level it provides. They also provide a free version with fewer options and capabilities that still offers excellent protection for people who are short on cash. Download page for that here (http://www.bitdefender.com/solutions/free.html). If you're running Microsoft Security Essentials, Bitdefender AV Free  is a very good alternative. It's literally "set & forget."

FWIW I'm also boycotting anything from AVG (and badmouthing them every chance I get :mrgreen:) because of the hamfisted way they pulled CrossLoop off the market. :nono2:
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Curt on February 13, 2014, 09:41 AM
I am of course disappointed that without any explanation, Agnitum Outpost Security Suite Pro was not tested. To me this is like saying twenty years ago, we have tested for the safest car in the world, without even mentioning Volvo.

Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2014, 09:45 AM
Neil actually did go review Outpost after this initial roundup, here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2430088,00.asp
And a couple more here: http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,2806,1639159,00.asp
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2014, 10:08 AM
While I don't agree with all of the conclusions, there are lots of interesting charts in the roundup, this one I found particularly useful:

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,iid=392519,00.asp

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It shows the impact on performance when running the different tools (explanation here (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2350319,00.asp)).
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Stoic Joker on February 13, 2014, 10:52 AM
Zoiks! With the exception of the top few, those are some frighteningly high percentages.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2014, 11:31 AM
The one area I think Neil gave himself (and the tech support of these companies) huge amounts of completely unnecessary pain, and colored his results as well, is how determined he was that these tools should be able to do their initial install on an already virused system.

That's asking too much, and no one should turn to an antivirus/security app after an infection to rescue them from it.  If you are trying to recover from an infection you should use a dedicated self-booting repair tool, or something similar.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on February 13, 2014, 11:50 AM
The one area I think Neil gave himself (and the tech support of these companies) huge amounts of completely unnecessary pain, and colored his results as well, is how determined he was that these tools should be able to do their initial install on an already virused system.

That's asking too much, and no one should turn to an antivirus/security app after an infection to rescue them from it.  If you are trying to recover from an infection you should use a dedicated self-booting repair tool, or something similar.

This x 1000!

The real goal is interception and prevention - not scrubbing a system after it's infected.

I'm always more interested in how effective the realtime scanner is. Not how well the cleaner works. Especially since (with some of the root level  and MBR infections running around) disinfecting a system (even with a bootable antimalware disk or key) leaves the system inoperable after the clean-up finishes. At which point you’re now left doing data recovery, and then reinstalling your OS - and all your apps. Not fun. Even with an image available.

 8)
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2014, 01:38 PM
Yep.

In general, I would not put too much weight on the actual numerical ratings and editor's choice in this roundup.  Neil's priorities are different than ours.  In addition to focusing on removal of infections, he also seems biased towards suites that have everything including the kitchen sink, while many of us, myself include, do not want all this bloatware and are just interested in antivirus+firewall.

Having said that -- this massive comparative review (and the charts the accompany it) are full of very useful information -- and the overall impressions, coming from someone who has tried so many, are likewise useful.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: longrun on February 13, 2014, 02:01 PM
I'm running Bitdefender AV Plus on almost everything I have using Windows right now and I'm happy with the performance and protection level it provides.

I was on the verge of buying BitDefender on a Newegg special until I read some truly horrifying user reviews--BSOD's, corrupted systems, etc. I've never used it so I don't know the validity of these comments, but they might be worth looking at before buying.

I've used VIPRE for years. The most annoying thing about it is that it still flags a bunch of DC programs like ClipTrap even though I've contacted VIPRE repeatedly.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on February 13, 2014, 02:46 PM
I don't know the validity of these comments, but they might be worth looking at before buying.

I'm looking at 4 personal (3 laptops + one desktop) machines and well over 100 client PCs that I'm directly responsible for. Haven't run into anything even remotely like that, so I'm not sure what I should be looking at. All is calm - all is bright. Same goes for their server AV products. Have never run into a single problem. But I also knew each of those machines was properly set-up and updated -  and was "squeaky clean" system-wise before I installed BitDefender so somebody else's mileage could well vary.
 8)
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Innuendo on February 15, 2014, 11:02 AM
Neil actually did go review Outpost after this initial roundup, here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2430088,00.asp

Neil's verdict is grossly different than everything else I have ever read about this product, especially the firewall. Agnitum's firewall is one of the best in the business as rated by independent tests.

Agnitum's new AV engine is starting to get a lot of notice as well so I wonder what Neil did wrong in his tests.

Furthermore, he says Outpost does a mediocre job blocking malware and exploits. I can tell you from first-hand experience this is not true as I sometimes frequent the darker corners of the internet & Agnitum's product hasn't failed me yet.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: TaoPhoenix on February 15, 2014, 11:14 AM

I zoomed in on this snip:
"Looking for the smallest, lightest protection available? The installer for Editors' Choice Webroot SecureAnywhere Complete (2014) would fit on a 3.5" diskette (if you could fine one). Its unusual antivirus component doesn't use virus signatures; rather, it detects threats by their behavior and other characteristics."

A, being a fan of Small and Light, that was nice! But see the note about behavior vs signatures. What if you got that to behave with a second AV program without them fighting each other? Could the combined power of the two approaches synergistically become "more than the sum of the parts"?

Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on February 15, 2014, 03:00 PM
A, being a fan of Small and Light, that was nice! But see the note about behavior vs signatures. What if you got that to behave with a second AV program without them fighting each other? Could the combined power of the two approaches synergistically become "more than the sum of the parts"?

Hard to say, but the AV players are aware of it. As a result, many of the big AV products (that are signature based) also include a heuristic/suspicious behavior scanning feature. Many people leave it off. And it's not necessarily turned on by default.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 15, 2014, 06:41 PM
I have for years been a fan of Eset's offerings -- their antivirus and then their combined antivirus and firewall.

Before switching to Eset I was a big fan of Agnitum.

From my standpoint, Eset has the best, most utilitarian and powerful user system, as far as user options and interface.

The options and alerts are excellent -- and they still have some firewall features that for some reason few have copied -- like when an alert pops up you can choose to ignore it for the current session (or once, or create a rule).

So many of the firewalls reviewed (and which get good ratings) offer so little control and information.  There really needs to be a distinction between truly flexible controllable firewalls like Eset, Outpost, and Comodo, which are in a different class than the others, that just silently do their job and offer you little information or control -- and little help if something is being silently blocked which shouldn't be.  It does alert me when anything tries to connect in or out which I like to know.

I love the clean interface of Eset's tools -- and they get just about every single thing right when it comes to organizing and presenting options, logs, alerts, etc.

HOWEVER, I have recently dumped Eset despite being a paying customer.  I have confirmed that their firewall makes my computer unstable and causes programs to occasionally hang and require a reboot to terminate.  Prior to windows 7, a known and apparently unfixable-by-them bug in their win xp x64 version would cause computer freeze and blue screen when attaching an external usb.  This was a known problem for years that i cast a blind eye to. When freezes started happening on my win7 machine, i had enough.

For the last week I've been trialing AVG internet security.  I tried a dozen others but AVG was the one that I found least offensive.  I might try outpost again, as I always liked Outpost, but right now AVG is doing pretty well by me.

I did not install the optional stuff like web browsing guards, identity guards, etc. -- and thankfully those are optional installs.  Those seem too likely to cause problems and slowdowns to me.

AVG does *not* offer the kind of fine granularity control of the powerful firewalls like Eset and Outpost, but it does offer more control and transparency than some of the truly minimal ones.  But my patience for micro-managing firewall access control rules has diminished over the years, so that's not bothering me as much as it would have in the past.

In terms of basic antivirus and firewall, i'm not unhappy with AVG, and the system performance and stability seem really excellent, which is my main concern these days.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Contro on February 15, 2014, 06:53 PM
The free version of Agnite http://free.agnitum.com/ can coexist with Avast! free ?
I would like give a try because of my latest security events.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 15, 2014, 07:01 PM
ps. For those looking for fine-granularity control, this combination firewall+antivirus looks very promising and is in the same class as Eset, Outpost, and Comodo: http://www.emsisoft.com/
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 15, 2014, 07:04 PM
One of the nice things about Agnitum is that it can be used as a firewall only, so you can combine it with a different antivirus -- which might make sense since i'm not sure what the caliber of Agnitum's antivirus engine is.

However, I'm confused about Agnitum's free offering -- I wish someone would explain that to me -- how it compares to the full one.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mwb1100 on February 15, 2014, 09:52 PM
Agnitum has a free-vs-pro comparison here: http://free.agnitum.com/download.php

I'm not sure what "safe web surfing" or "ID theft prevention" are exactly (and I'm an Outpost user), but they don't seem like core AV or firewall functionality. So I think the key thing that the paid version has over the free is "priority update".

The very low impact numbers given for Webroot SecureAnywhere has me considering taking a look at that. And I have a lifetime license for Agnitum and hate trying out anti-malware.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mwb1100 on February 15, 2014, 10:02 PM
Also - it looks like the free version of Agnitum's suite is at 7.1.1 while the paid version is at 9.0.  I don't know if the version numbers between the free suite and the paid suite necessarily correspond with each other (ie., does that mean that the free version uses the same basic technology as the 7.x version of the paid suite used?), but that's my assumption at this point unless someone corrects me.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Innuendo on February 16, 2014, 10:16 AM
From my standpoint, Eset has the best, most utilitarian and powerful user system, as far as user options and interface.

You should track down some screenshots of Agnitum's new UI. It's very modern and streamlined. Everything is minimalist until you go into the advanced settings. Then you're presented with every setting you'd wish to tweak, but it is still presented logically.

The options and alerts are excellent -- and they still have some firewall features that for some reason few have copied -- like when an alert pops up you can choose to ignore it for the current session (or once, or create a rule).

Agnitum has that as well. You can also set various settings that make the training of the firewall easier for you on first install.

There really needs to be a distinction between truly flexible controllable firewalls like Eset, Outpost, and Comodo, which are in a different class than the others, that just silently do their job and offer you little information or control -- and little help if something is being silently blocked which shouldn't be.  It does alert me when anything tries to connect in or out which I like to know.

Outpost is the only firewall that I know of that allows you to control how granular the firewall will be and how often it will alert you. If one just wants a 'quiet' firewall like AVG, you can configure Outpost that way. However, if you are a micro-manager and you want to be alerted any time a DLL on your system has changed, a program updated, or say, a program trying to access the internet through IE then Outpost can do that, too.

HOWEVER, I have recently dumped Eset despite being a paying customer.  I have confirmed that their firewall makes my computer unstable and causes programs to occasionally hang and require a reboot to terminate.

Eset used to be the best, but their AV was always better than their firewall. One could say the exact same thing about Kaspersky as well. They used to have an unbeatable AV, but it was always better than their firewall.

For the last week I've been trialing AVG internet security.  I tried a dozen others but AVG was the one that I found least offensive.  I might try outpost again, as I always liked Outpost, but right now AVG is doing pretty well by me.

It's been a long while since I last checked out AVG, but every time I have it never completely protected my system. Things were always slipping through.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Innuendo on February 16, 2014, 10:20 AM
Also - it looks like the free version of Agnitum's suite is at 7.1.1 while the paid version is at 9.0.  I don't know if the version numbers between the free suite and the paid suite necessarily correspond with each other (ie., does that mean that the free version uses the same basic technology as the 7.x version of the paid suite used?), but that's my assumption at this point unless someone corrects me.

Yes, the version numbers do correspond. That's the trade-off. You're getting a commercial product for free, but it's an older version. Agnitum keeps making noises about updating the free version to be closer to their paid offering, but they haven't done it yet.

I don't think that's too huge of a deal, though, because a firewall isn't as dependent on updates as an AV is what with it having to rely on signatures and such.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: superboyac on February 17, 2014, 05:35 PM
A, being a fan of Small and Light, that was nice! But see the note about behavior vs signatures. What if you got that to behave with a second AV program without them fighting each other? Could the combined power of the two approaches synergistically become "more than the sum of the parts"?

Hard to say, but the AV players are aware of it. As a result, many of the big AV products (that are signature based) also include a heuristic/suspicious behavior scanning feature. Many people leave it off. And it's not necessarily turned on by default.

40hz, question:
Why did you go with Bitdefender AV over MSE?
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Stoic Joker on February 18, 2014, 10:58 AM
A, being a fan of Small and Light, that was nice! But see the note about behavior vs signatures. What if you got that to behave with a second AV program without them fighting each other? Could the combined power of the two approaches synergistically become "more than the sum of the parts"?

Hard to say, but the AV players are aware of it. As a result, many of the big AV products (that are signature based) also include a heuristic/suspicious behavior scanning feature. Many people leave it off. And it's not necessarily turned on by default.

40hz, question:
Why did you go with Bitdefender AV over MSE?

I'm going to guess because MS only has 2 sizes, tiny and enterprise. While MSE can (legally) be use on business networks with 10 or less machines. Above that (legally) requires MS ForeFront which is such a big harry monster that it doesn't make sense on networks with less than ~500 machines. So if you (and I suspect 40 is) are in that vast middle ground ... You need a middle sized (legal - option B ) solution to avoid getting forced into MS's A or C (dinky or huge respectively) size options.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on February 18, 2014, 11:00 AM
40hz, question:
Why did you go with Bitdefender AV over MSE?

@SB - it's very light on its feet and the free edition protects better the MSE IMO. My GF had a few niggling things get through MSE a short time ago that didn't get spotted until her weekly MBAM scan. Happened about three times. Since I put the freebie Bitdefender on her PC MBAM comes up completely clean.

I like Bitdefender. It's been around forever and earns consistent high detection scores in tests. I especially like their small business and enterprise products. They've always worked well for me in a client setting. YMMV.

Note: I've used (at one time or another) AV solutions from:

Avast
AVG
Avira
Bitdefender
CA
ESET
F-Protect
Kapersky
McAfee
Norton
Symantec

Of the above, I would still consider using Kapersky. And possibly AVG since it seems to really be at home with Windows 8 (which is coming whether we want it or not). Even has a pretty 'Win8-look' to its dashboard. The clients I have that use AVG are happy with it, even if I think it's feature set is bulking up alarmingly with each new release. (Note. AVG's customer service can sometimes be a little hard to deal with - so keep good track of your license keys and customer ID in case you do need to talk to them.)

Most of the other products I thought were great at one time. Or at least I did until they mucked them up with feature bloat. I'll also +1 w/Mouser on ESET. Their NOD32 antivirus was one of the absolute best products available - until they broke it.

I generally don't have much need for local firewall (or related features) on my home PCs. The firewall, along with antispam and privacy controls, are handled by my gateway for the entire network. So on the local machines I just run Bitdefender + the Windows built-in firewall and call it a day. I also keep a copy of the free versions of SuperAntispyware and MBAM on each machine for additional on-demand checking - and a bootable Kapersky USB key and restoration images in case some mega-disaster ever strikes.

Outside of that, keeping Windows religiously updated, and my other software regularly updated (mostly :-[ ) constitutes my Windows security regimen.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] "That's the way America does it! That's the way 40hz does it! And it's worked pretty well so far..."

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UPDATE:

Note: one of my cronies just pointed me to this (http://www.techmynd.com/download-avg-antivirus-pro-avg-internet-security-2014-one-year-licence/). It has info and links that allow you to legally obtain a fully functional "one-year trial" copy of AVG Internet Security 2014. Can't vouch for it since I didn't try to install it - but the download links on the webpage still appear (as of today 2/18/2014) to be working. A similar offer appeared on the Most i Want website recently. See it here (http://www.mostiwant.com/blog/avg-internet-security-free-download-trial-serial-key/?ModPagespeed=noscript).

AVG Internet Security 2014 Free Download with 1 Year Trial Serial Key

AVG Internet Security 2014 is normally priced at $54.99 for a 1 year 1 PC serial number/license key. And it comes with a 30 days trial version like other security software. If you don’t like the usual 30 days trial then here is an promotion offer to download a trial version of AVG Internet Security 2014 with an in-built serial key for 1 year (364 days) at no cost. It doesn’t say how long this offer will stay free, so get it while it last!

This free 1 year trial is actually intended for Huawei dongle users but it works for everyone lol. And in terms of features and protections, there are no differences between a trial and a paid license — you get all the same features, updates, and protection.

Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Stoic Joker on February 18, 2014, 03:05 PM
I generally don't have much need for local firewall (or related features) on my home PCs. The firewall, along with antispam and privacy controls, are handled by my gateway for the entire network. So on the local machines I just run Bitdefender + the Windows built-in firewall and call it a day.

I've had a long history of ignoring/disabling the software firewall due to having IPv4's NAT at the border. But with IPv6 no longer affording one that option (there is no NAT in IPv6), I've started experimenting with the built-in Windows firewall - which is configurable via GP on a domain - and rather like it. I think it should get better mention as it's quite granular if/as needed and also allows the simpler just prompt me as/if needed option.

I do have plans to give BD a shot one of these days but haven't gotten to it yet.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: superboyac on February 18, 2014, 07:57 PM
40hz, question:
Why did you go with Bitdefender AV over MSE?

@SB - it's very light on its feet and the free edition protects better the MSE IMO. My GF had a few niggling things get through MSE a short time ago that didn't get spotted until her weekly MBAM scan. Happened about three times. Since I put the freebie Bitdefender on her PC MBAM comes up completely clean.

I like Bitdefender. It's been around forever and earns consistent high detection scores in tests. I especially like their small business and enterprise products. They've always worked well for me in a client setting. YMMV.

Note: I've used (at one time or another) AV solutions from:

Avast
AVG
Avira
Bitdefender
CA
ESET
F-Protect
Kapersky
McAfee
Norton
Symantec

Of the above, I would still consider using Kapersky. And possibly AVG since it seems to really be at home with Windows 8 (which is coming whether we want it or not). Even has a pretty 'Win8-look' to its dashboard. The clients I have that use AVG are happy with it, even if I think it's feature set is bulking up alarmingly with each new release. (Note. AVG's customer service can sometimes be a little hard to deal with - so keep good track of your license keys and customer ID in case you do need to talk to them.)

Most of the other products I thought were great at one time. Or at least I did until they mucked them up with feature bloat. I'll also +1 w/Mouser on ESET. Their NOD32 antivirus was one of the absolute best products available - until they broke it.

I generally don't have much need for local firewall (or related features) on my home PCs. The firewall, along with antispam and privacy controls, are handled by my gateway for the entire network. So on the local machines I just run Bitdefender + the Windows built-in firewall and call it a day. I also keep a copy of the free versions of SuperAntispyware and MBAM on each machine for additional on-demand checking - and a bootable Kapersky USB key and restoration images in case some mega-disaster ever strikes.

Outside of that, keeping Windows religiously updated, and my other software regularly updated (mostly :-[ ) constitutes my Windows security regimen.
 (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=37239.msg349472#msg349472)) "That's the way America does it! That's the way 40hz does it! And it's worked pretty well so far..."

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UPDATE:

Note: one of my cronies just pointed me to this (http://www.techmynd.com/download-avg-antivirus-pro-avg-internet-security-2014-one-year-licence/). It has info and links that allow you to legally obtain a fully functional "one-year trial" copy of AVG Internet Security 2014. Can't vouch for it since I didn't try to install it - but the download links on the webpage still appear (as of today 2/18/2014) to be working. A similar offer appeared on the Most i Want website recently. See it here (http://www.mostiwant.com/blog/avg-internet-security-free-download-trial-serial-key/?ModPagespeed=noscript).

AVG Internet Security 2014 Free Download with 1 Year Trial Serial Key

AVG Internet Security 2014 is normally priced at $54.99 for a 1 year 1 PC serial number/license key. And it comes with a 30 days trial version like other security software. If you don’t like the usual 30 days trial then here is an promotion offer to download a trial version of AVG Internet Security 2014 with an in-built serial key for 1 year (364 days) at no cost. It doesn’t say how long this offer will stay free, so get it while it last!

This free 1 year trial is actually intended for Huawei dongle users but it works for everyone lol. And in terms of features and protections, there are no differences between a trial and a paid license — you get all the same features, updates, and protection.


Thanks!!  I'm going to give it a shot, if it's good enough for 40, it's good enough for me!  And that explanation gets saved to my notes.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: TaoPhoenix on February 18, 2014, 08:22 PM
...
For the last week I've been trialing AVG internet security.  I tried a dozen others but AVG was the one that I found least offensive.  I might try outpost again, as I always liked Outpost, but right now AVG is doing pretty well by me.

I did not install the optional stuff like web browsing guards, identity guards, etc. -- and thankfully those are optional installs.  Those seem too likely to cause problems and slowdowns to me.

AVG does *not* offer the kind of fine granularity control of the powerful firewalls like Eset and Outpost, but it does offer more control and transparency than some of the truly minimal ones.  But my patience for micro-managing firewall access control rules has diminished over the years, so that's not bothering me as much as it would have in the past.

In terms of basic antivirus and firewall, i'm not unhappy with AVG, and the system performance and stability seem really excellent, which is my main concern these days.

Wow Mouser, you demigod of DC you, how does all this compare to the entry conspicuously absent from these ratings, aka MS Internet Essentials!?

Heh So if that's my "C" (3rd hand suggested) program, how are your A and B programs worth it and better?
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on February 18, 2014, 08:50 PM
40hz, thanks very much for the extended AVG license link -- that will come in very handy to extend my trial a bit!
If I stick with AVG I will be happy to purchase a full license (through Amazon.com which is a lot cheaper than official AVG page for some reason).
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mwb1100 on February 19, 2014, 01:57 AM
There's been some positive statements about Bitdefender in this thread... I have an old, unused key for BitDefender AntiVirus Pro 2011 (3 PCs, 1 year). I have no idea how well it'll work today, but I think there's a decent chance that it will still work with a 2011 install (I can provide direct download links to the 2011 installer from bitdefender.com's servers).  I have no idea how their upgrade policy works, but I suppose there's a small chance that you'd be able to get a 2011 install upgraded to 2014 for minimal charge or maybe even free.

Anyway, if anyone is interested in the key, just PM me (no promises provided about whether the key will be at all useful).
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Innuendo on February 19, 2014, 10:47 PM
There's been some positive statements about Bitdefender in this thread... I have an old, unused key for BitDefender AntiVirus Pro 2011 (3 PCs, 1 year). I have no idea how well it'll work today, but I think there's a decent chance that it will still work with a 2011 install (I can provide direct download links to the 2011 installer from bitdefender.com's servers).  I have no idea how their upgrade policy works, but I suppose there's a small chance that you'd be able to get a 2011 install upgraded to 2014 for minimal charge or maybe even free.

Usually how keys for security software works is they are valid for a 1-year subscription that starts as soon as one uses the key & the key is not tied to any particular version. Theoretically, since the key has never been used, one could download the newest installer, plug in that key and be good to go.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mwb1100 on February 19, 2014, 11:28 PM
Usually how keys for security software works is...

If that's true in this case, then this is basically an offer for a free 3 PC-1 Year BitDefender AV Pro license.  Still up for grabs.

Someone take me up on this - I hate paying for stuff that never gets used (even if I didn't pay all that much - it was a $10 deal).
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Innuendo on February 20, 2014, 10:11 PM
If I didn't love Outpost so much I'd give it a try, but Outpost just does everything the way I want things to be done (for a change).

That reminds me, though...I think I have an used Eset AV key around here somewhere. It, too, was a $10 deal.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Curt on February 21, 2014, 01:39 AM
AVG Internet Security 2014 Free Download with 1 Year Trial Serial Key

This free 1 year trial is actually intended for Huawei dongle users but it works for everyone lol. And in terms of features and protections, there are no differences between a trial and a paid license — you get all the same features, updates, and protection.

There is also an AVG Antivirus Pro 2014 Free 1 Year Trial:
http://www.mostiwant.com/blog/avg-antivirus-free-product-key-license-number/
But of course Anti-virus is already included in the Internet Security suite.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Giampy on February 21, 2014, 03:55 AM
The best security suites is the one that controls even the Kernel.
I am referring to Windows XP. I was told that Windows XP will be unprotected against Kernel attacks after April, I mean after its end of support.
Is there any program that controls even the Kernel?
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: tomos on February 21, 2014, 04:41 AM
The best security suites is the one that controls even the Kernel.
I am referring to Windows XP. I was told that Windows XP will be unprotected against Kernel attacks after April, I mean after its end of support.
Is there any program that controls even the Kernel?

See this thread Continuing with XP (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=37176.0) - in particular app's post:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=37176.msg348626#msg348626
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Innuendo on February 21, 2014, 07:27 AM
The best security suites is the one that controls even the Kernel.
I am referring to Windows XP. I was told that Windows XP will be unprotected against Kernel attacks after April, I mean after its end of support.
Is there any program that controls even the Kernel?

Windows XP was first released in 2001. Why stay with a 12-year old OS? When XP just came out if someone asked you advice on how to stay with Windows 95, what would you tell them? And there was only a 6 year span between those OSes!

Modernize, please. You don't have to go whole hog and upgrade to Windows 8.x, but at least move to Windows 7. If you have half-way decent specs in your PC with a decent graphics card you'll enjoy better performance than you did with XP. Once Microsoft officially drops support, you're going to start seeing your favorite programs dropping support as well & some will release new versions that won't even be able to install on XP any longer.

But to stay on the topic of this thread, which is security, even with the latest patches Windows XP is not as secure as the OSes that have come after it.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Shades on February 22, 2014, 11:42 AM
There is an application called Zolt. Run XP with this application and see how it works out for you.

What it does is simple, it runs a service and adds an icon in the tray for easy enabling/disabling. As long as it is disabled, your computer will work normally. However, when enabled no-one is allowed to write to (any of) your hard disk(s) anymore. In essence, it turns a hard disk into a CD-ROM. The latest version of it that I could still find, was back in 2002(!) and it is still in my archive, so if you really want it I could PM it to you. For some reason, attaching it to this post seems impossible.

Try this software and be amazed about the type of sites you can visit without any chance of infection. At the time I tried it, I just had my 5 Mbit connection and a fresh XP installation. In those days it was bad in the Netherlands, the first time you would go on the net and immediately let your ant-virus software update itself, you would already infected by a(t least one) virus before that update was finished.

But with this software enabled not one virus was able to infect my system. To me this software looks like it disables write access at the Windows kernel level. I do remember though that 3 to 6 months after I downloaded this, I wanted to see if there were updates. The website of the creator just stated that he received a note from Microsoft, to stop development and distribution of the software immediately. Even (freeware) download sites didn't have links anymore.

This software comes with costs, though. Depending on how much software is installed in your XP installation that requires write access, your screen will be filled with Windows message boxes mentioning that: 'Application <insert name here> couldn't write to <insert folder here>.' in the best case scenario to application failures in the worst.

So only consider using this if you have no other option left than to keep running XP after the expiration date and don't mind clicking away Windows messages during the time this software is activated.

Or if you have a VM or clunker with XP you don't mind sacrificing, you might want to try it...or find out what makes it tick...or whatever.

Best see this as a last resort. The only serious consideration you should have in your mind is how to be able to upgrade to either a newer version of Windows or Linux. Please, give XP it's hard-earned and well-deserved rest.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: dr_andus on February 23, 2014, 05:04 PM
But I also knew each of those machines was properly set-up and updated -  and was "squeaky clean" system-wise before I installed BitDefender so somebody else's mileage could well vary.
 8)

A couple of months ago I stopped using AVG 2014 because it just stopped working properly (it just would not carry out some commands, such as scan individual files from the context menu) and I was also miffed about AVG for some other reasons.

I switched to Avast!, which has been running well on my system (Win7, 64-bit, Intel i7, 8GB RAM), but I wasn't too happy about their personal data collection practice (though they are upfront about it). So I tried BitDefender after seeing this thread, but it didn't work out for me. It slowed down my system noticeably, though I don't have any direct evidence to prove how it did so. I presumed that it was running some scans in the background. But even when I suspended the scans that I could find, the system was still slow. Also, at one point the main BitDefender panel disappeared and I lost the controls to the scans etc.

After uninstalling it and re-installing Avast! things seem to be back to normal. So, yes, my mileage varied, though it's a bit of a mystery to me what exactly was going on.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on February 23, 2014, 06:50 PM
After uninstalling it and re-installing Avast! things seem to be back to normal. So, yes, my mileage varied, though it's a bit of a mystery to me what exactly was going on.

Yes indeed. Similar things have happened to me as well. Can't really say "why" or "what" that much these days. All most of us can really say is what works for us this week.

Sad state of affairs, but there you have it. ;D :-\
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: x16wda on February 23, 2014, 07:06 PM
Interesting reading. I tried installing the free BD and it didn't seem to have any controls at all (like for "leave this folder alone!"). Avast! seems fine so far, but I seem to be missing some embedded videos (such as this post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=37321.msg349729#msg349729)).
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: x16wda on March 01, 2014, 03:04 PM
^Just to correct the record, I can't blame Avast! for this. I finally had time to work on this and uninstalled Avast! and still had the problem.  Eventually tracked it down to a Flash update - v12.0 apparently doesn't like to display embedded YouTube videos in Chrome.  Backed it off to 11.7 and it crashes on the first use but is OK thereafter; I may bump it up to 11.9 and see if that's any better.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on March 01, 2014, 03:13 PM
And an update on my part:

Since switching from ESet to AVG several weeks ago, my system has felt noticeably faster, with no return of the application-hangs that prompted me to finally switch away from ESet in the first place.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Attronarch on March 01, 2014, 05:19 PM
Unfortunately, my adventure with AVG 2014 was of short life. After 2 weeks of everything functioning correctly, I suddenly started getting BSODs (Win 8.1 x64). Culprit was AVG 2014, and everything has been normal since I removed it. Pity, I liked the AV and firewall.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: dr_andus on March 01, 2014, 06:27 PM
Unfortunately, my adventure with AVG 2014 was of short life. After 2 weeks of everything functioning correctly, I suddenly started getting BSODs (Win 8.1 x64). Culprit was AVG 2014, and everything has been normal since I removed it. Pity, I liked the AV and firewall.

I'd used AVG for possibly 10 years, and it was only AVG 2014 that stopped working properly. So something must have gone awry with this latest incarnation.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: tomos on April 22, 2014, 08:38 AM
Stiftung Warentest have tested security suites:
https://www.test.de/Internetsicherheits-Software-Wirksame-Programme-gegen-Cyberangriffe-4684917-0/
(German language; pay to view article)

I hope it's okay to post a summary here (?)

Spoiler
They tested by adding a harddrive full of new malware/virus** to each system. Almost no info given about testing of firewalls.
Marks given (very good/ good/ so-so/ poor/ crap) for:

Protection:
Real-time protection
Scanning
Reaction time taken to respond to new threats
Firewall
------
Handling (help/ease-of-use/installation/etc.)
------
Resources used:
Speed
Resources used
________________
Focusing on the Protection section, best at the top (all of these tested 'good' with G-Data well ahead of the posse):

  • G Data internet security 2014 [all 'good' with scanner best @ 'very good'; bottom of list in resource usage though :-(]
  • Bitdefender "New Edition" [very good real-time; poor firewall]
  • Eset Smart Security [does best on resource usage]
  • F-Secure Internet Security 2014 [poor reaction time to new threats]
  • Kapersky 2014 [very good real-time; so-so firewall, so the AV must be pretty good!]
  • BullGuard [best firewall - virus protection not so good]
  • Avira Suite 2014 [very fast; good 'handling']

Overall score were (best to top)
  • G Data internet security 2014
  • Avira Suite 2014
  • Eset Smart Security
  • F-Secure Internet Security 2014
  • AVG
  • Avast
  • Kapersky 2014
  • Bitdefender
  • BullGuard

They test a couple of free AV's as well - MS Essentials does poorly; Avira/Avast/AVG all 'good'.

** my translations in italics

Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: tomos on April 22, 2014, 09:03 AM
Stiftung Warentest have tested security suites:
https://www.test.de/Internetsicherheits-Software-Wirksame-Programme-gegen-Cyberangriffe-4684917-0/
(German language; pay to view article)
(Note that all were tested on Windows 7)

I get the impression that the pcmag tests were more in-depth. I can understand that a more in-depth test could find e.g. G-Data Internet (S'Warentest's winner) not so good after all - but I find the reverse hard to understand:
Norton & McAfee score heavily and get editor's recommendations from PCMag. Stiftung Warentest has them at 11th and 12th places in their list of thirteen, with: 'good' real-time protection and scanning, but with very poor response time to new threats, and OK (Norton) to poor (McAfee) firewall scores. (FWIW, both do very poorly as well in terms of help and interface.)

:-\
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: TaoPhoenix on April 22, 2014, 10:21 AM
Windows XP was first released in 2001. Why stay with a 12-year old OS? When XP just came out if someone asked you advice on how to stay with Windows 95, what would you tell them? And there was only a 6 year span between those OSes!

Modernize, please. You don't have to go whole hog and upgrade to Windows 8.x, but at least move to Windows 7. If you have half-way decent specs in your PC with a decent graphics card you'll enjoy better performance than you did with XP. Once Microsoft officially drops support, you're going to start seeing your favorite programs dropping support as well & some will release new versions that won't even be able to install on XP any longer.

But to stay on the topic of this thread, which is security, even with the latest patches Windows XP is not as secure as the OSes that have come after it.

But here we are. There are millions of us who can't yet afford the time, software, and potential hardware risks of upgrading. My project machine from 2006 *might* be able to run Win7, but it's a long shot push.

Meanwhile MS seems to be saying they're copying Apple and not supporting an OS more than about 3 editions back so depending how they count, Win7 is already one step old.

I am holding on hard for Win9 to (re)define the landscape, to give us some desperately needed context to all of this. After all, Win7 was Vista's escape route, and a new CEO is at MS, he probably needed to shove 8.1 out the door, but I am hoping at the engineering level he makes Win9 the new OS to jump to.




Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Cloq on April 22, 2014, 09:26 PM
AVG!? - Heh surely you jest!?

No thanks. Long story short, they recommended white listing windows folder and signing all apps so that their heuristics wouldn't tag/kill/quarantine false positives.

The kicker.. their heuristics db/engine would "forget" that files xyz were safe and on later updates would tag/kill/quarantine files that were submitted to their engineers (they assured wouldn't get tagged by future updates). 5 Years of that BS was enough (stuck on contract).

AVG - Consumer version and enterprise version.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: TaoPhoenix on April 22, 2014, 09:40 PM
AVG!? - Heh surely you jest!?

No thanks. Long story short, they recommended white listing windows folder and signing all apps so that their heuristics wouldn't tag/kill/quarantine false positives.

The kicker.. their heuristics db/engine would "forget" that files xyz were safe and on later updates would tag/kill/quarantine files that were submitted to their engineers (they assured wouldn't get tagged by future updates). 5 Years of that BS was enough (stuck on contract).

AVG - Consumer version and enterprise version.

Naw, I wasn't going to go with AVG - something else. I'm still not sure yet.

Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: Cloq on April 22, 2014, 09:51 PM
Would say Eset ESS but it does require I would recommend a relatively modern cpu.

Any flavor/generation of i3/i5/i7 or even core 2 duo will work fine.

Wouldn't recommend anything lower than core 2 duo though because it will initially chug starting up with windows, but once started it's fine.

ESS v6 and v7 have been pretty zippy and stable.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: mouser on April 23, 2014, 09:50 AM
For what it's worth -- I've been a long time user of ESETsecurity suite, but switched over to AVG a couple of months ago due to bad ESET performance and stability issues, and have been quite happy with AVG.

It's not as configurable as ESET, and I prefer the user interface of ESET, but it's been stable and painless and i've been thrilled with the performance improvements of my pc since switching away from ESET.
Title: Re: The Best Security Suites (2013/2014)
Post by: 40hz on April 23, 2014, 12:02 PM
^I'm running AVG for File Servers on a new Win2012 server that was just put into production this week. Installed nicely and isn't demanding resource-wise. Normally I'll go with Bitdefender. But this was a very tightly budgeted project which needed an affordable and extremely easy to manage AVir solution. So far AVG's looking pretty good in this role.