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Title: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2006, 12:26 PM
FARR Version 2 is going to be released for public testing in JULY so please post or mail me bug reports!:

IMPORTANT:
If you want to test FARR v2 alpha and you are a supporting member of the site, you can find the download here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=217.0 (non-supporting members can email me, [email protected], or send me a personal message via the forum and I will send you a download link.


The folder stuff is actually gone farr (ugh) beyond the originally planned folder searching, with an auto-complete like explicit search directory feature, which i hope you will like.  It offers a dramatically different way to search from what you are used to, but i expect it will take some getting used to. Note the previous functionality works exactly as before, just use an explicit directory path with \ to activate the new features.

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For those of you who didn't read my previous posts, I decided to use the VERSION TWO label for this major new release series.
That means that our discussion of the revolutionary interface ideas will be slated for version three, along with indexing.


Now there is one major thing missing from this alpha release which *will* be in version 2 final in the next week or so, which is keyword modifiers.  The keyword modifiers will offer another major new way of searching, by letting you use keywords to restrict pattern scoring and search directories.  I've not added them yet because I want to get this much more complicated directory searching stuff into testing while i work on it.



Version 2.00.140 - Aug 15th, 2007 - ALPHA PREVIEW RELEASE



Version 2.00.135 - July 20th, 2007 - ALPHA PREVIEW RELEASE

Version 2.00.132 - July 17th, 2007

Version 2.00.130 - July 14th, 2007

Version 2.00.129 - July 13th, 2007

Version 2.00.125 - July 7th, 2007

Version 2.00.121 - July 1st, 2007

Version 2.00.116 - June 30, 2007

Version 2.00.100 - June 7, 2007


Version 2.00.82 - April 26, 2007

Version 2.00.79 - April 15, 2007

Version 2.00.77 - April 10, 2007


Version 2.00.76 - April 09, 2007 - ALPHA PREVIEW RELEASE

Version 2.00.74 - April 06, 2007
· Fixed bug where hitting Enter on initial window display with history list showing wasn't working.
· ATTEMPT to fix some window redrawing issues involving the option to keep the FARR window ontop (may not work, let's see how the tester reports are).

Version 2.00.71 - April 03, 2007
· Improved interaction with plugins (statusbar updates, etc.)
· Updated included FarrFox plugin to version 1.06.01 (now includes option to disable periodic rescanning, and manual rescan request "ff `")
· Modified plugin api
· Removed bug that could slow down window display  [THANKS RAVI!]
· Alias contents now have some replacement code applied to them so you can use "\filename" to make it refer to current drive, or %PROGRAMFILES% fields, etc.
· Added %SYSTEMDIR% to virtual folder list.
· Updated included FarrFox plugin to version 1.03.01 (search not just FireFox plugins but also Opera and IE bookmarks).
· Added read-only checkbox to Alias items to mark them as protected built-in items that will be replaced on next update, and made FARR update these built in aliases on update.  Just make sure you don't MODIFY the contents of these built-in aliases as they will be overwritten on update.  HOWEVER, you can change score and disable them.  So if you want to modify a built-in one, just disable it and create another below it.
· Added right-click option to duplicate alias.
· Added special search phrase "historys" which will list all past searches to choose from, and "historyl" which lists past launched files.
· Added ability to remove searches from list of past search history.
· Added a lot more built-in default aliases.
· Search directories are now left as virtual %MYDOCUMENTS% style, and resolved when FARR starts up, making it more suitable for use on portable drives.
· Added more virtual folder strings.
· Added parsing of relative directory paths in search folders list.
· Added a helpfarr built-in alias to show a menu of special commands (help, options, toolbarconfig, show all aliases, show past history).

Version 2.00.65 - March 27, 2007

Version 2.00.62 - March 24, 2007

Version 2.00.59 - March 14, 2007

Version 2.00.58 - March 13, 2007

Version 2.00.56 - February 25, 2007

Version 2.00.55 - February 23, 2007

Version 2.00.50 - February 20, 2007

Version 2.00.45 - February 6, 2006

Version 2.00.44 - February 6, 2006

Version 2.00.42 - January 31, 2006

Version 2.00.39 - January 29, 2006

Version 2.00.37

Version 2.00.36 - January 19, 2006

Version 2.00.35 - January 17, 2006

Version 2.00.33 - January 16, 2006

Version 2.00.32 - January 15, 2006

Version 2.00.26 - January 14, 2006

Version 2.00.23 - January 12, 2006

Version 2.00.21 - January 7, 2006

Version 2.00.08 - January 4, 2006

Version 2.00.07 - December 24, 2006

Version 2.00.04 - December 20, 2006

Version 2.00.01 - December 19, 2006
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2006, 12:30 PM
HELP PAGES ON USING THE NEW DIR SEARCHING:

https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/findrun/help/index.html?searching_in_specific_director.htm
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: Gothi[c] on December 19, 2006, 12:42 PM
Great job, mouser!
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2006, 12:43 PM
Please expect it to take you a little while to get used to it - and read those help files!

Some quick tips:
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: jgpaiva on December 19, 2006, 01:43 PM
If you want to test FARR v2 alpha, post a reply or send me a personal message via the forum and i will give you a download link (installs over version 1).  I'm keeping it private for now until v2 is good enough to be released for public beta testing.
Are you kiding?? Of course i want to play with it!!! :D
And i'll now run to irc because i can't wait for you to reply to this post, i need farr now!!
must... get... farr....
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: tinyvillager on December 19, 2006, 04:06 PM
I'd like to give it a try,if you'd be so kind.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: TucknDar on December 19, 2006, 04:28 PM
I'd love to play with it, but I'll just wait for a more stable release. Looking very much forward to it though :)
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: Tekzel on December 19, 2006, 04:58 PM
Uh huh.  Uh huh.  I wanna test these pimp new features out for you.  Hook a brotha up.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: lanux128 on December 19, 2006, 09:36 PM
count me in, mouser! swell way to spend the weekend.. like jgpaiva, i'm going to IRC channel right-away.. :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: Lashiec on December 20, 2006, 06:13 AM
I think I'll wait 'til Monday. At first, I wanted to give you a helping hand in bug testing, but I'm a bit busy at the moment (exams, the project, last-minute Christmas shopping, computer components hunting... :sick:)
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mystcolor on December 20, 2006, 08:11 AM
I am really glad that I can be one of this versions tester, and here is a screenshot which have a funny bug
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24136_untitled_122_327lo.JPG
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 20, 2006, 09:21 AM
can you explain the bug a little to me mystcolor.. it's not so obvious to me as an english speaker..
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: allen on December 20, 2006, 10:51 AM
Bugs aside, the additions to FARR 2.0 totally remove any need for me to resort to the run box -- it's brilliant. 
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: Josh on December 20, 2006, 11:05 AM
That reason is exactly why I have been pressuring mouser to put the folder searching feature into 2.0!!!! Good to see I am not the only one who thought of this :)
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: allen on December 20, 2006, 11:12 AM
I'd actually made a special group for taking locations and re-routing them to my file explorer -- lacked autocomplete, but was easier to get to via keyboard than start>run.  Now, with great pleasure, I get to delete that group :D
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: lanux128 on December 20, 2006, 09:52 PM
• Added ability to go into and pop up out of directories while in the results panel using arrow keys LEFT and RIGHT.
i like this new shortcuts, but they don't synch with Alt+# & Alt+Backspace keys.. if i use Alt+# to pop into a sub-folder which contains only files then i can't use right/left key to pop-out. is this by design?

on a general note, this is so cool that i don't need to create complicated hot-paths for my system..
mouser, you're on the right track.. :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: jgpaiva on December 21, 2006, 05:41 AM
i like this new shortcuts, but they don't synch with Alt+# & Alt+Backspace keys..
I had no idea there was the option for alt+# COOL!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: JennyB on December 21, 2006, 01:25 PM
You guys have already covered most of what I was going to suggest.  >:(

Two minor points:
1
Drag and drop onto the Search Folders pane doesn't work (it didn't in the last version 1 either) but that's now almost redundant. How about allowing d&d directly onto the search window so you can quickly apply F&RR to a file/folder in the file manager?
2
It's great to be able to search removeable drives, but if you erect a CD after selecting a file or folder, you get a "missing disc" error box.
Click Cancel and you can continue - the entry disappears from the displayed list - but it happens again the next time you use F&RR. Open more CD files and you find that if you remove the disc you will have to press Cancel once for every one you opened!

The only way to get out is to edit the history list to remove the now invalid entries.

Apart from that... :-* :-* :P :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: jgpaiva on December 21, 2006, 01:37 PM
JennyB mentioned an important problem. I hadn't realized that could happen, but it's important with removable drives. I own a usb disk and wouldn't like farr to be colapsing every time it's not on.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: lanux128 on December 21, 2006, 07:47 PM
The only way to get out is to edit the history list to remove the now invalid entries.
yes, this is some thing that i have been suggesting for some time..
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2899.0

jgpaiva, is this the removable drive error?
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2482/clipname19dd.png)
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: jgpaiva on December 21, 2006, 08:37 PM
jgpaiva, is this the removable drive error?
Actually, i just tried, and that doesn't happen with removable drives! (if the drive isn't there, the file from the history isn't displayed)
So... No problems :D
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mystcolor on December 21, 2006, 09:18 PM
as the screenshot I've attached, the real file and path name was not shown properly by FARR
for example: "C:\Music\abc.mp3" was displayed as name-"bc.mp3", path-"C:\Music\a"
"C:\Music\what's going on\" was displayed as path-"C:\Music\what's going on|\"
p.s. that "|" is same as when u press Ctrl+backspace at FARR command line.
Hope my imformation helps~ ;)
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: lanux128 on December 21, 2006, 09:20 PM
mouser, more suggestions..
• an option to show folders only, without the files, opposite of the period (.) command at the end of the path.
• in case of folders, pressing of 'enter' only copies the path. (as an additional option).

and for clearing-up something, if \\ is for 1st level sub-folders then must i use \\\ for 2nd level sub-folders and so on, or can i just use \*\ for subsequent folders?


P.S. mystcolor: couldn't see your image..
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 21, 2006, 09:59 PM
thanks myst - i think i have corrected that and we shall see in the next alpha release - thanks.

an option to show folders only, without the files, opposite of the period (.) command at the end of the path.
lanux, you can use \\ at end of typing to show folders only, as you ask.


in case of folders, pressing of 'enter' only copies the path. (as an additional option).
can you explain more?

and for clearing-up something, if \\ is for 1st level sub-folders then must i use \\\ for 2nd level sub-folders and so on, or can i just use \*\ for subsequent folders?

both should work.

Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: lanux128 on December 21, 2006, 10:18 PM
\\ doesn't seem to work.. as you can see on the image.
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as for 2nd question, when i'm found the folder i want. i want to be able to press 'Enter' to copy the path, instead of right-clicking on choosing 'Copy target path to clipboard'.
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Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 21, 2006, 10:26 PM
\\ has to be at end to mean only show folders
if its in the middle it means match any intervening folder (in other words a\\c will match path a\b\c but not a\b1\b2\c)

ok im not sure i can make enter copy path ill have to think about it, BUT
at the least i can let you configure copy path as one of the actions available in options to associate with ctrl+# or alt+ctrl+#, etc.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: lanux128 on December 21, 2006, 10:33 PM
ok, i get it now.. btw, the ability to configure the copy path action is very good..
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 21, 2006, 11:12 PM
thanks for the great suggestions JennyB, i will implement/fix.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: JennyB on December 22, 2006, 04:32 AM

Actually, i just tried, and that doesn't happen with removable drives! (if the drive isn't there, the file from the history isn't displayed)
So... No problems :D

I just checked that and you're right. The default list always only shows valid files, which is good. What's more, CD/DVD drives work OK so long as you keep a disc (any old disc will do) in place after you've picked one file.  If you pick a file from one CD and then pop the CD and put another in, the file disappears from the list. It comes back when the right CD is inserted.

It would be nice, though, if that message box were caught so that an empty drive behavíed the same as a removed drive.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: JennyB on December 22, 2006, 05:59 AM
ok, i get it now.. btw, the ability to configure the copy path action is very good..


ok, i get it now.. btw, the ability to configure the copy path action is very good..


Were you using "Copy Path" to paste it into the search window? I did a lot of that until I discovered the RIGHT arrow.  :-[



@Mouser I've just worked out what "Search for All Matches" does  :Thmbsup:

Shouldn't this be a global thing like a Maximise button?

Maybe it should be the Maximise button: when it's on F&RR displays all the search results, when it's off it stops looking when the window's full. The setting could be preserved as you go in and out of directories with the arrow keys, so you could use the results window for many jobs where you'd otherwise want to open a file manager.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: wurst on December 23, 2006, 01:02 AM
that looks amazing! please hook a brother up with a download link...

cheers
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: mouser on December 23, 2006, 04:46 AM
wurst, i'm going to upload a much improved new beta tomorrow and i will send you the link.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: tonyp on December 23, 2006, 05:52 AM
Really looking forward to this one, FARR was my original reason for joining, along with Screenshot Captor.

I've been using a custom alias called C:\ with the expression   ^([a-z]\:\\)(.*)   and  Open $$1$$2 | $$1$$2    to go directly to folders, but actual folder searching WITH auto complete would be great.  With my expression, a wrong dir name simply does nothing.
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: broken85 on December 23, 2006, 02:42 PM
mouser,

I'd love to play around with the new version of FARR! Could I have a download link as well (when you upload the new beta is fine :D)? Thanks!
Title: Re: FARR v2.00.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release
Post by: wreckedcarzz on December 23, 2006, 07:22 PM
Mouser can ya send me a beta link as well? I read the whole topic and am dying to test the new features!!!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2006, 10:24 AM
Some screenshots of v2.00.07 with dif skins:

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2006, 10:26 AM
ps i have messaged the latest link to testers - it includes a Skin pack with +100 skins :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Josh on December 24, 2006, 11:49 AM
MOUSER! YOU FORGOT ME! How dare you!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: nontroppo on December 24, 2006, 01:50 PM
mouser: great work indeed! :beerchug: It seems much faster, but I've just moved to a new Macbook, and Windows itself runs at Warp 11 even when virtualized.

Could you explain the modified history heuristics in a bit more detail?

As an aside, here is FARR running under OSX ;)

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2006, 02:41 PM
Could you explain the modified history heuristics in a bit more detail?

yep, i need to write up a whole thing about it, and make some movies, but basically it works like this:

you set the min and max for history items in heuristic scoring tab.

the first time you launch something it will get stored in history with min score.

each time you launch it again, it will get +1 points
each time you lanch something else it will lose -0.1 points

it wont ever get higher than max, or lower than min.

in this way, when you launch something a lot it will grow to max score, and so thus be on top of other items in history.

also note you can set any item manually to a score in history lower or higher than min and max (respetively), and it will maintain a fixed position when displaying hisotry on blank search.

let me know if this doesnt make sense, or wasn't what you had in mind.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2006, 02:46 PM
which icon above should i make the default?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: nontroppo on December 24, 2006, 03:29 PM
mouser: sounds good to me, though it woud be nice if we could choose the values for increment and decrement.

It seems that it adds 2 on each load for me though, I go from e.g. 761 to 763 on relaunch (making sure I am not showing the history on start which has the old value not current value).

Best icon in my opinion (ah, the joys of aesthetic relativism...) is nudone's white F key for the default. It fits into most colour schemes and signifies exactly what FARR does...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Josh on December 24, 2006, 04:04 PM
I am partial to the blue F. That or the winman. Great icons!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2006, 10:42 PM
ps.
anyone who wants to try the alpha version please message me.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: lanux128 on December 25, 2006, 07:45 PM
Were you using "Copy Path" to paste it into the search window? I did a lot of that until I discovered the RIGHT arrow.
i knew about the right-arrow key but i copy paths mainly for pasting into file dialogs.. i don't use the browse button that much.. :)

btw, mouser.. is the link same as the previous alphas?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: jdmarch on December 25, 2006, 10:23 PM
Just installed FARR 2 alpha 07. Great work, mouser! I'll enjoy using it in upcoming days, but a few initial reactions:

1. Directory searching is great. Very handy to use Right arrow (easier than Alt+Right) to browse into a folder. The Left arrow doesn't work as well because you have to go down into the search results to use it, and if there are no search results then you can't do that, so it's easier just to get in the habit of using Alt+Left.

2. Why does the wildcard * only find files, not folders? As a result, it seems that there's no way to show folders which must begin with ABC. (One tries to enter ABC* but only files appear.)

3. Now with the extra capabilities of directory searching, I will want to open folders from FARR more often. But I use Windows Explorer as seldom as possible (why would I, when Total Commander exists?) How about a user confuguration option to specify the preferred file manager command (of course including command line switches, so use a placeholder like %d to indicate the place in the command line where the desired dir name should be inserted.)

4. IMHO the all-grey edit/input line is confusing, a violation of the windows norm that input fields are white (or sometimes another color, but in any case different than the basic grey color of buttons and status lines and menu bars etc. Personally, I can adapt to any color, but I do think that it's likely to be confusing to new users, to be expected to type into a field that doesn't LOOK like an input field.

5. I don't much care about the program icon, since I keep it hidden most of the time, since I call FARR by its hotkey.

6. At some point in the future, perhaps FARR will be able to browse into archive (eg ZIP) files. By default, probably better not to search them (because of performance), but explicit browsing down could be very powerful.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: lanux128 on December 25, 2006, 10:59 PM
ps i have messaged the latest link to testers - it includes a Skin pack with +100 skins
mouser, the link given to me doesn't have the +100 skins.. :(
also, how do i turn off the frightening big bold text on the edit line? ;)
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jdmarch: to answer your q#3, see here: "Custom File Explorer" option... (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=4731.0)

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: jdmarch on December 25, 2006, 11:22 PM
Re: Custom File Explorer
Thanks, lanux, very nice! (Would be just perfect if I could configure command line switches and the placeholder variable, so that I could make the folder open in total commander's right panel).
Eventually this should be in the help file for those of us that actually do occasionally RTFM :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: lanux128 on December 26, 2006, 12:03 AM
now that you mention it, salamander also has some cmd-line option for left-right panels.. jdmarch, why don't you post this request in the Custom File Explorer thread itself? this way, it will be easier for mouser to work at it.. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 26, 2006, 01:07 AM
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2. Why does the wildcard * only find files, not folders? As a result, it seems that there's no way to show folders which must begin with ABC. (One tries to enter ABC* but only files appear.)
...
4. IMHO the all-grey edit/input line is confusing, a violation of the windows norm that input fields are white (or sometimes another color, but in any case different than the basic grey color of buttons and status lines and menu bars etc. Personally, I can adapt to any color, but I do think that it's likely to be confusing to new users, to be expected to type into a field that doesn't LOOK like an input field.
...

2.
You actually dont need to use the * with folders or files, it will find patterns that have just the first few letters already.  the only time to use * is when you want like *.mp3 file patterns.  otherwise just do ABC and FARR interprets that as *ABC*.

4.
i'm afraid you are probably right about this one, it just looks so much nicer when it's skinned this way, imho.  i'll put an option maybe to use normal standard input box colors.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 26, 2006, 01:08 AM
also, how do i turn off the frightening big bold text on the edit line? ;)

i was afraid not everyone would love that.. looks like i will have to add an option to go back to normal..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 26, 2006, 01:35 AM
I can't tell you all how helpfull it is to have your bug reports and suggestions.. Really makes it fun.

ps.
Josh found another real bug: the directory searching stuff has messed up any aliases with / and \ in them, so you can no longer type: "http://www.amazon.com" and be offered to browse to it, since the regex never sees the // any more.  will be fixed in next update.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: lanux128 on December 26, 2006, 02:53 AM
I can't tell you all how helpfull it is to have your bug reports and suggestions.. Really makes it fun.
glad to hear that, mouser..

btw, my rationale behind the copy path action is mentioned here in this thread (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=804.msg18414#msg18414).
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but please disregard it because i feel that the Ctrl+C shortcut is sufficient enough.. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: JennyB on December 26, 2006, 12:14 PM

1. Directory searching is great. Very handy to use Right arrow (easier than Alt+Right) to browse into a folder. The Left arrow doesn't work as well because you have to go down into the search results to use it, and if there are no search results then you can't do that, so it's easier just to get in the habit of using Alt+Left.


I'm beginning to think that directory browsing should be handled slightly differently. Sometimes I want a file and I can't remember its name, but I sort of know the name of either the directory or another file in it. So I look for that select it and...

Left or right arrow should now bring up a list of *all* the file names in that directory.  That should be faster than the search FaRR does at present, which in practice brings up just ten from the same list.  Now you can browse around using the just the arrow keys. Left arrow selects the first item in the parent folder.  Right arrow does nothing on a file or an empty folder, otherwise it opens the folder selects the first item in it. From the context menu you can do all the usual things, and if you need more details you can open the selected file or folder in a file manager.

Focus doesn't go to the search window until you type a printable character, which begins a new FaRR search rooted in that directory.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: jdmarch on December 26, 2006, 04:02 PM
You actually dont need to use the * with folders or files, it will find patterns that have just the first few letters already.  the only time to use * is when you want like *.mp3 file patterns.  otherwise just do ABC and FARR interprets that as *ABC*.

Understood! (That's what has made FARR so user-friendly all along.) But now with the universe of FARR-accessible folders and files so much larger, it becomes useful at times to do explicit narrowing of the search, with the most common two examples being your example (*.xxx) and mine (XXX*). So why not have wildcard searches include both files and folders? Folders ending in *.xxx are extremely rare, so this capability would not interfere with your example.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: jdmarch on December 26, 2006, 04:04 PM
I'm beginning to think that directory browsing should be handled slightly differently.

I like this idea! Is there a downside?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: tonyp on December 27, 2006, 10:30 AM
lanux128, could you tell me what skin you're using?
Some thoughts from a bit of playing with Alpha 7:

It's surprisingly fast, directory searching works far better than I imagined.

I'm very glad by default it opens up the standard folder view like you'd get from browsing by "my computer" rather than Windows Explorer with the 2 pane view.  I've never liked that view, yet so many launcher programs use solely that.

Tab auto-complete is great.

It's a little confusing at first on how to navigate to a root, ie C:\ (alt+enter), so you may want to make this more clear or work with a standard enter.

I will definately be using FARR 2 over FARR 1!  Great improvements all around.  Seems stable to me so far, no bugs yet.

File explorer wish list:
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It's tempting to try and use FARR as a file explorer, because it's so handy and works so fast.  There's been some good suggestions here on doing that.  Things that would also interest me, perhaps things that wouldn't work in general, but just throwing them out there:

Though 9 results are perfectly fine, it'd be nice to be able to scroll down to get more results as needed if possible.  Search for all matches can be pretty slow going.

I'm a little curious how when I type a directory, say C:\downloads\, it decides what 9 to show by default?  I'm guessing it's by alpha.  It would be nice, at least I think, to be able to sort by last modified.  Typically that's what I'm looking for when going to any directory.

Delete via keyboard key would perhaps be nice, if possible.
(Also just noticed the "shell context menu" option, that's really nice.)

Visuals:
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I'm sorry to say I have to agree, the big bold font on a plain window background isn't too appealing to me.  It's counter intuitive to how input boxes usually work.

I'd go with either the original default icon, or the square-man icon.  Many of the new icons seem to have white pixels around the edges and it looks a bit unprofessional.  Perhaps its because I use a slim taskbar.

I also feel the skin should not colorize the results by default.



Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: lanux128 on December 27, 2006, 08:41 PM
lanux128, could you tell me what skin you're using?
actually that is a WinXP theme - Royale (http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=royale+theme&btnG=Search) - a new theme by Microsoft.. :)

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Armando on December 29, 2006, 11:01 PM
I like the new FARR very much.
The “folder Search” capacity is *great*.
The only thing I might still want or miss is the ability to “find” misspelled files or folders (i.e. : xeplo = explorer) and... even to use it more efficiently with a voice recognition software...
Apart from that, it’s really almost perfect as it is. Of course, more days of testing will either confirm that or give me ideas…

Thanks for a great app.

  :Thmbsup:

Armando
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Armando on December 29, 2006, 11:26 PM
One comment.... :  FARR v2.00.07 uses much more RAM : more than 28mb at the moment.
Previous version (1.10?) was more like 8-9mb. Personally, I really liked the fact that it was light.
Thanks,
Armando
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 30, 2006, 04:10 AM
There's nothing about the new FARR that should use more memory, but there is a new option that tries to let FARR use more memory if it is available; you can change this easily, by unchecking the option in General settings tab, and then minimizing the program to the system tray:

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Armando on December 30, 2006, 01:45 PM
Many thanks Mouser. That was it...  :)

the more I use FARR the more i like it, even after more than 6 months!!... more & more & more...  :-*

By the way... Anybody sees an obvious speed increase in keeping FARR in RAM (with the above mentioned option)?

Armando
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Armando on December 30, 2006, 01:48 PM
I am partial to the blue F. That or the winman. Great icons!

I like the blue F too.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: tonyp on December 31, 2006, 06:41 AM
You may consider this a light bug, but I don't think the "calc" script works properly anymore with directory search.  "calc 5+5" works, but "calc 5/5" will start searching instead.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on December 31, 2006, 06:51 AM
thanks tony - yep, it will be fixed in new version - seems the new directory searching messed up aliases somewhat.

thank god for all you alpha-beta testers.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: TucknDar on January 01, 2007, 01:04 PM
Loving FARR v2 after only a little while!

A few remarks though:

1) The missing input box and the bold text... OK, you get the picture ;)

2) I would like to be able to sort the columns. I like to display all available columns in the FARR window, but I'd like the "Score" column to be to the far right.

3) Right-clicking the "column-bar" brings up the FARR context menu... but for which entry? I know from trying (and through a bit of common sense), that the context menu is that of entry no.1 by default (or selected entry), but there isn't really any way of knowing. I don't think the context menu should display at all if no entry is selected, unless it was a menu that would let you sort the columns (see point 2 above ) or do other FARR-related configurations.

4) Obviously I prefer my own icon ;). To be honest, it's not the best looking of the bunch, so not really default icon-material, but I made it, so I'll definitely use it. Thanks for including it!


I had a weird thing happening, where entries would disappear although I never told to delete them. I can't reproduce this now, so I can't rule out the possibility that this bug lies somewhere between keyboard and chair :-[ I'll investigate further, though.

Thanks for some great work, mouser, I'll be looking forward to the finished version!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on January 01, 2007, 01:21 PM
entries would disappear
entries from what section?

i obviously need to make an option to put back the old input box.

thanks for the other bug reports, i'm going to try to get out a new version this week, lot's of little bugfixes needed.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: TucknDar on January 01, 2007, 01:30 PM
entries from the result list. It would appear that I selected the option to remove the entry from launch list, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Anyway, as I said, I can't reproduce it, so might be my mistake.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: tonyp on January 01, 2007, 03:24 PM
thank god for all you alpha-beta testers.

We're all happy to help, and thank you for both the preview and the continued work on FARR.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Armando on January 01, 2007, 03:53 PM
Hi mouser!

Yes... thank you for the preview and the work on FARR!!!

i wonder if you could explain in more details what's the function of the " \ " caracter... Of course, I understand that it's to specify the search type. But, I don't always get the results I'm expecting depending on where I put the " \".

But ... Example :

1- If I put it at the begining of the expression " dow\dow " and NOT at the end (" \dow\dow "), I get the same thing than
2- If I don't put it at the begining or at the end ( " dow\dow " ). But,
3- If I put it at the begining and at the end of the "expression" ( "\dow\dow\" ), I don't get anything. why?

Many many thanks.

Armando.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on January 01, 2007, 04:26 PM
Read the help file page on directory searching!

the \ is used to specify DIRECTORY patterns to look in.

there are a few special rules though:
the \ at the end means only display directory names in results.

the \ at the begining is like typing C:\ i think (if my memory serves me correctly).

so when you do \dow\dow\
it is looking for only folders matching c:\*dow*\*dow*\

farr behaves differently if you start with a real path like c:\ or \
it will only look where you tell it.

but if you do like dow\dow
then it is going to look for *\*dow*\*dow*

which can take a long time and search everywhere..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Armando on January 01, 2007, 06:12 PM
Thanks Mouser. I actually carefully read the help file before asking my question...
I do understand the folder thing.

But there are still cases where folders don’t appear the way I expect, and I don’t understand why... I'll try my best to explain.

1- If I write “\dow\dow\”  I don't get anything ; even though there are some folders there. FARR should at least give me “E:\Downloads\Downloads complets\” or “E:\downloads\downloads complets\-PROGRAMMES INSTALLÉS-\”. No? (Unless it’s looking only in C:  which would be surprising since, even with the \ at the beginning, FARR also looks in E: : see next point)

3- If I write \do\d\ it’s a different story. I do get a little something ( in E: and C: )… and not only am I getting something, but I’m getting directories that go deeper than expected if I follow what happens in point 1 (C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My AutoMate Tasks\). And you say it should be the same than "c:\*do*\*d*\". But FARR shows nothing.

Let's take another similar case to verify that “when you do \dow\dow\ it is looking for only folders matching c:\*dow*\*dow*\”. Since neither gives any results, let’s pick an expression that should work : \doc\e\ and c:\*doc*\*e*\
c:\*doc*\*e*\  doesn’t give me one result, and \doc\e\ does give me few results. Why?

4- Finally, You say dow\dow is like *\*dow*\*dow* but it doesn’t give the same results. (see Screenshots)


So… I still don’t understand exactly what’s happening.

Thanks.

P.S. : sorry for my english. It’s not my first language.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on January 01, 2007, 06:17 PM
it seems i was probably wrong about the starting \ restricting it to c:\

to speed things up farr also does handle * stuff in dir names, i was just using them as a way of explaining what it does, dont actullay type those in your search.

in general what it does is this:
IF it thinks you are specifying an exact path, like
C:\program files\....
then it will ONLY search there.

if not, it will search all your normally specified search directories.

so the first thing it does it tries to grab the left most eact path match and start there.

so if you type
c:\Program Files\ad\acro

it finds "C:\Program Files"
but not
it finds "C:\Program Files\ad\"

so it will search everything in C:\Program Files

ill have to study your other screenshots for more comments to make..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: jdmarch on January 01, 2007, 11:02 PM
Hi mouser, it seems to me that the current new path search syntax might still be a bit arbitrary, more of a proof of concept than a tuned final product. When one syntactical element, like (apparently?) the forward backward slash here, is heavily overloaded wtih multiple meanings, there is a big risk of the kind of confusion that we see in the last few posts... and I think probably cause for big confusion on the part of users not so accustomed to syntactic precision as many of the testers here.

I have no real right to speak about this because I'm not yet offering a concrete suggestion, but that's my impression.

(January 2, 2007 corrected "forward slash" to "backward slash"... I would claim eggnog overdose but it wouldn't be true. Must just be fried brains.)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: DocSavage on January 02, 2007, 07:33 PM
I just installed FARR. I know the interface is the last thing you want to think about, but on my system some of the text is clipped.
I attached a bit of a screeen capture.
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Deozaan on January 03, 2007, 02:20 PM
I just installed FARR. I know the interface is the last thing you want to think about, but on my system some of the text is clipped.
I attached a bit of a screeen capture.
dk

Do you have your font size set larger than the default? Seems really big to me.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on January 03, 2007, 02:27 PM
yes it is.. i thought that would be a nice thing.  :huh:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: Deozaan on January 03, 2007, 02:30 PM
yes it is.. i thought that would be a nice thing.  :huh:

I was actually asking that to DocSavage. Maybe it's a malformed Skin.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: jgpaiva on January 03, 2007, 02:51 PM
Deozaan & DocSavage: That problem is already known. The settings dialogs in mouser's programs don't scale when using windows set with larger than normal fonts. I believe it's related with the borland compiler that mouser uses. right?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: mouser on January 03, 2007, 02:58 PM
yes, and it is my eternal nemesis!  >:(
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.07 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - December 23, 2006
Post by: DocSavage on January 03, 2007, 03:36 PM
Yes, I use "large, 120 dpi" font size.
It is not a deal-breaker, I can figure out the text.
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 04, 2007, 02:09 PM
new minor update with bug fixes.. (2.00.08)
expect new version soon with a couple more major features before v2 goes live.

same downlod for new version.
Skin Pack has not changed so you don't need to redownload that.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on January 04, 2007, 05:49 PM
Think I found a bug, and I'll explain:

If I open FARR (Ctrl+Space) then click on the Options icon, the options screen is displayed. So far so good. Then I close FARR, and the Options screen is closed with it. Guess that's fine, although maybe not what I had in mind, so I right click on the FARR icon in the system tray and pick Options. Nothing happens. Weird. I open FARR again (Ctrl+Space) and the Options screen is right there with it. Yay.
But, and here's where I think there's a bug, when I want to close the option screen, I can't! I keep clicking that little X over and over again, but it won't go away!

I don't know if that behaviour is intentional, but if it is, it seems strange to me ;)

Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 04, 2007, 05:52 PM
confirmed - nice bug find. will be fixed next release.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: jcmn on January 05, 2007, 04:59 AM
Hello

I would like to try the this new version 2. The new features are exactly what I need. Please provide me the link.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: jcmn on January 05, 2007, 11:53 AM
I just began test this version 2 and I'm quite impressed by the power and simplicity. I have only one tiny suggestion: to be possible to sort results by modification date and not only by scoring.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 06, 2007, 03:56 PM
Mouser, I *mostly* like the new ranking method. But what I don't like is that a blank search no longer shows launch history in Most-recently-used order.

When I first press the FARR hot key, I want the most recently accessed program at the top, and so on down the list, the way it used to be (because I'll tend to run things in clumps.)

But when I start to type, then I'm looking for something that did not run very recently (or I would have just picked it from the afore-mentioned MRU list.) So then I want scoring to come into play.

Make any sense?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 06, 2007, 06:11 PM
jdmarch, what you are saying makes some sense - i'll add an option for it (in for a penny, in for a pound).
or do we think that having it always operate that way is preferable and no option to order it by score is even needed?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on January 06, 2007, 07:06 PM
I'd go for that being the default behaviour and not adding another option. I can't think of any situation where that would be handy. If one wants to keep a listof most frequently ran programs on the blank search, that person should use a default alias.

[edit] jdmarch: do you have the latest build? i think i reported this to mouser not much time ago and he fixed it... [/edit]
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 06, 2007, 07:12 PM
jgpaiva: I'm running FARR 2.00.08.

mouser: No strong opinion. Hard to say, but I don't think I'd turn this option off. But let's see, suppose I wanted to run a program, which I knew I use pretty often, but I was simply blanking on its name (happens more than I would like!) Then this option might be useful. But one does want to avoid a confusing surfeit of options.


Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on January 07, 2007, 02:04 AM
how about first half of the result list shows recently launched apps in the "old" order, and second half of the list sorts by scores?

But I like the scoring feature, although it takes a little getting used to when I'm so used to the old behaviour
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 07, 2007, 01:25 PM
Or how about a "sticky" (between invocations) checkbox/hotkey right on the main input window which would toggle the display between "Launch History selection/order" and "scored selection/order"?

This could be useful not only when the input line is blank, but even after the user starts to type.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 07, 2007, 01:37 PM
Or how about a "sticky" (between invocations) checkbox/hotkey right on the main input window which would toggle the display between "Launch History selection/order" and "scored selection/order"?

i would oppose that - for such a minor issue i wouldnt want to affect the main form which we try to keep very clean.
i also have a hard time thinking this is something people will want to be switching between often (or at all).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.08 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 4, 2007
Post by: kfitting on January 07, 2007, 03:40 PM
Don't think this has come up, but is this behavior intended?

- bring up FARR and enter a search
- open the options dialog and go to the "Display" tab
- choose different options for the "Result Label Path."  Choosing none gives full path.  Further, if I choose the other options, files show the level of path that I would expect while folders continue to show full path

This isn't not a huge deal, just something I saw while playing around.

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 07, 2007, 09:02 PM
V2.02.01 is now released with 2 major new (long requested) features:
Keyword modifiers and non-contiguous search words.

See first post for more details.  Same download as before for alpha testers.
I'm hoping this will be ready to go public by Jan 12.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 07, 2007, 10:04 PM
Mouser, I think it would be helpful (at least in the help file if not here) to say something about how non-contiguous search words (multiword search) are implemented.

What it looks like to me, from initial testing, is that when multiple words are typed, the first word is required text, as before, but that if subsequent words are not present then there is a big scoring penalty. It's not clear to me how path matching works; some paths that include the second word seem to get a boost, but others not.

FWIW (which may not be much!) what I would have expected intuitively is that all the specified words be equivalent in importance... via either boolean AND or OR. If they are not treated the same, then it's harder to figure out what's happening.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 07, 2007, 10:58 PM
its a good point jdmarch, and your comments are right on the money.

the intent is that ALL words must be present.

but in fact only the first word is really required.

i could make the other words required as well, but thought that simply penalizing them hugely would have the same basic effect while showing the user a little bit more if there are no good exact matches.  but i can fix that.

(having the first word be strictly required is important for efficiency).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 07, 2007, 11:36 PM
Here's a screen shot clip showing the apparent inconsistent treatment of the second word in the path.
Edit: never mind, the difference was due to other applicable scoring rules, not to differing treatment of the path. My bad.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on January 08, 2007, 12:46 PM
Hi mouser,

i can't wait january 12 for the public release, can you provide me with the download link ;)

Thanks a lot !

Cheers, Nitrix
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 08, 2007, 01:55 PM
Can you resend me the links mousey? Also, did you add a separate options tab for KEYWORD launchers which are separated from group aliases?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: Babis on January 09, 2007, 03:29 AM
Thanks for the excellent release.

Please consider to add "Size" in the columns, it will be very handy and useful

edit: Also it would be nice if I could use the "delete" button. It seems that in order to delete an item from the list I have to go
appskey>shell context menu>delete
I would like just to press delete when I am on the list, if possible.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 09, 2007, 09:17 AM
> Size, Delete

Both of these questions, as well as some earlier ones, are basically asking for FARR to incrementally take on more and more of the role of a file explorer/browser. While this is a very tempting idea, I don't think that such features should be added on piecemeal. What about showing/changing the file timestamp? Showing/changing attributes? What about rename? Bulk rename? What about copy/move? Hmm, so what about showing both source & target panes? What about drilling down into zip/archive files?

BUT... there already are some superb 3rd party file explorers (Total Comander for me), and mouser still has on his plate, almost untouched, a whole pile of strategic questions to address for FARR 3 that directly relate to FARR's central job of being a launcher on steroids.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.02.01 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 7, 2007
Post by: JennyB on January 09, 2007, 12:16 PM
> Size, Delete

BUT... there already are some superb 3rd party file explorers (Total Comander for me), and mouser still has on his plate, almost untouched, a whole pile of strategic questions to address for FARR 3 that directly relate to FARR's central job of being a launcher on steroids.

Agreed. My original idea of showing the entire directory listing was based on the idea that this might be faster than running the search again. If it isn't, forget it.

For now, I find myself using FARR2 a lot to open directories in DOpus. Once you've opened the first one, it goes very fast, and I don't see any amount of extensions to FaRR being able to compete.  In fact, maybe the default action for directories should be to launch the file manager. After all, that is the program "associated" with directories, isn't it?

I think too, that in real use, when you want to look for something under a particular directory, you'll do \dirna... TAB filena.. 

In other words, when you want to do a path completion you nearly always want to do it on the first entry. Otherwise "Select, Right-Arrow" is fast enough.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 12, 2007, 06:25 AM
im going to come back to some of these display issues in a bit.
meanwhile v2.00.23 is released as of jan 12, with lots of tweaking (see first post in thread for change history).
download is at same url as previous alpha version.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mja on January 12, 2007, 09:48 AM
Alright I can't wait any longer. Mouser can I get a link to the newest Find & Run link. Thanks.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 12, 2007, 01:10 PM
Thanks, Mouser -- you have really been burning up your coding keyboard!

The new improvements in multi-word searches now reveal a difference in expectations. I expect a multi-word search to look in both the filename and its path. Why? because it's too common for some self-centered programs to install themselves so that the company or program name is only in a folder name, and then the actual shortcut name only contains a particular function, like "Audio" or "Update" or "Uninstall". So I would hope to use a multi-word search including both the company/program and the function.

Maybe multi-word searches are not the best way to address this, but that has been the use that I have most been looking forward to. And this is not how the new version works. Can't say for sure about previous version in retrospect.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 12, 2007, 01:17 PM
jdmarch can you give me an example of a search that doesn't work as expected and what you want it to do?
actually it is quite easy for me to make a change that would allow it to match words in a path and just disabled it since it seemed to be returning too many hits.. but perhaps i could put it back with an option.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 12, 2007, 01:19 PM
oh and another thing, keep in mind jdmatch that the multiword stuff is separate from the new path specification feature.

so you can already currently do:

c:\pro\ado\photoshop

to find c:\program files\adobe\photoshop

--

also note you dont actually have to specify the full path starting with c:\
if the path was on your search path somewhere you could just typoe: \ado\photoshop
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on January 12, 2007, 02:35 PM
Hey mouser! Thanks for writing this great tool. I can't wait any longer either, so could I have the link to the latest version of FARR?  :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 12, 2007, 02:37 PM
of course you may! link sent :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on January 12, 2007, 04:33 PM
Yes, I can see how this could get tricky, not obvious the best way to implement it. But here goes:

I want to be able to type this:
rox creat
and reach this:
D:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Roxio Easy Media Creator 8\Data\Creator Classic.lnk

I would think that the more words were actually in the filename (as opposed to the path) the higher the score would be. So the above file, which contains "creat" (though not "rox") would rank higher than this one:
D:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Roxio Easy Media Creator 8\Home.lnk
where both words are in the path, not in the filename.

Can this be nailed down? I realize that I am probably missing other sources of ambiguity.

Also, I do see that typing
\rox\ creat
does the job. So maybe I'm just really, really lazy! (But of course I am... that's why I love FARR so much :) )

Thanks again! Whatever you decide about this will work for me. Just trying to report on the user experience.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 12, 2007, 04:56 PM
i think i will add what you are asking as an option.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 12, 2007, 05:05 PM
Mouser, I must say, the option with the modifiers is PERFECT. Typing in a keyword modifier should eliminate all results as it does with the new release. Great job!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: peteg05 on January 13, 2007, 03:45 AM
Hello Mouser,

all the features sound too great to wait any longer. Could you please also send me the link to the latest version?

Thanks,
peteg06
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.23 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 12, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 13, 2007, 03:51 AM
jdmarch, i have added an option to do as you ask:

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 13, 2007, 07:10 AM
v2.00.25 uploaded.
see change list on first post.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 13, 2007, 11:41 PM
Seems to be working really really well. Bravo.  :up:


I like Babis' suggestion of having a "size" column...

And why not adding the ability to “click” on a column header (name, size, type, or score) to sort files accordingly (explorer like behavior)? This could be very very useful in cases where you want to see many files belonging to a common  “project” (with very similar names) sorted in a way that can be easier to read (depending on one's need).

And, even better, there could be an option to set the default action.

And… of course, aliases could be assigned to different searches, all with different “sorting options”…

Of course, that might be too complicated to add in v.2…

Good luck with v.2’s finishing touch!

Armando
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 14, 2007, 12:00 AM
> Size, Delete

Both of these questions, as well as some earlier ones, are basically asking for FARR to incrementally take on more and more of the role of a file explorer/browser. While this is a very tempting idea, I don't think that such features should be added on piecemeal. What about showing/changing the file timestamp? Showing/changing attributes? What about rename? Bulk rename? What about copy/move? Hmm, so what about showing both source & target panes? What about drilling down into zip/archive files?

BUT... there already are some superb 3rd party file explorers (Total Comander for me), and mouser still has on his plate, almost untouched, a whole pile of strategic questions to address for FARR 3 that directly relate to FARR's central job of being a launcher on steroids.
In some ways, I agree.
But... is X1 -- which has all these very very handy sorting options -- another "explorer"? Would you use X1 instead of "explorer" or "total commander"?
To me FARR is a launcher, yes. But it's efficiency and power partly comes from the fact that it's a great file browser and "sorter". I don't think that adding more ways to browse folders and files (without slowing it down too much) and classify them will hamper its main function : lunch files -- especially if the user is able toggle these options on or off, depending on her need (FARR already does it, it allows tweaking). On the contrary : everybody has slightly different needs when it comes to file launching, file sorting, file exploring, file managing....etc. (And that's probably why you like Total Commander... personnally, I'm satisfied with explorer... Strange, I know  :D)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: pomj on January 14, 2007, 06:41 AM
A small feature request...

I would like to be able to make an alias/shortcut to launch multiple programs. It would be very handy.

br
/michael
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on January 14, 2007, 06:57 AM
Thought that was already a feature in FARR, but I haven't tried, so I may have misunderstood the Help-file...  :huh:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on January 14, 2007, 07:08 AM
I would like to be able to make an alias/shortcut to launch multiple programs. It would be very handy.
Well.. You already can.
Here's an example of how to do it:
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The only thing you can't do is launch them all at the same time. But you can call up the alias (in the case of the example, type "startup"), and then press alt+1,alt+2,alt+3, etc... Which will launch those without closing farr. (at least, i think "alt" is the default key for that).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: pomj on January 14, 2007, 07:30 AM
I would like to be able to make an alias/shortcut to launch multiple programs. It would be very handy.
Well.. You already can.
[...]
The only thing you can't do is launch them all at the same time. [...]

But that's what I want to be able to do. Thus when I launch "code" I launch my IDE, my editor and my filemanager.

cheers
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 14, 2007, 07:46 AM
I shall add it.
(actually it used to launch all with CTRL+Enter but i disabled this very recently because i felt it was too likely to hit by accident).

I will bring back this feature, it's useful for actually the stuff pomj says.  the only question is what hotkey to use to mean launch all results (all items in the alias).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: pomj on January 14, 2007, 07:51 AM
GREAT. Thank's mouser.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 14, 2007, 08:25 AM
Actually it looks like i left it in and just changed the shortcut to CTRL+ALT+Enter.
Hit that and it should launch all results currently listed.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: pomj on January 14, 2007, 06:42 PM
NICE. That was what I needed.  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: justice on January 15, 2007, 04:07 AM
If you are still looking for testers, I would be happy to help out test my favourite productivity tool.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Nomadin on January 15, 2007, 07:30 AM
If you still are accepting testers, I would love to help as well.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on January 15, 2007, 08:13 AM
Hey, me too!
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: justice on January 15, 2007, 09:53 AM
Hope these help!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 15, 2007, 10:03 AM
I agree, the whole options dialog should get a rework prior to 2.0 going final. I've discussed this with mouser numerous times. Perhaps we could talk him into this.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 15, 2007, 04:54 PM
The enhancements in FARR V2 are great and just what I like to have.
I'm now using FARR in conjunction with TotalCommander to dive into deep folders without explicit navigation thru every folder. Many thanks for that.

I'm currently testing FARR v2.00.29 and found the following bugs:

1. If you use ALT+ArrowRight in result list, then focus returns on edit line and cursor is placed behind last slash as it should. But if you try this with the TAB-Key, then focus is lost and you have to set it on the edit line by yourself (Hit TAB again).

2. Open an scoring entry, do nothing and click OK. On all except alias/group entries (where no period is displayed) a previously set score is lost. In Addition you cannot set a score with a period. (maybe depending on locale?!)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 15, 2007, 05:05 PM
thank you for the information about the floating point (fractional) scores getting messed up depending on the locale - that's a huge bug.  working on it now.
ps. what locale are you?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 15, 2007, 05:27 PM
I'm using locale german (Germany).
OS:WinXP
Number format: 123.456.789,00
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 15, 2007, 05:32 PM
hornsts, can you download the latest version (same url) and see if the , vs . problems are solved?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 15, 2007, 06:38 PM
Strange! All works fine...except for the aliases/groups.  ;)
There I set the following scores and get the listed results (in edit view/list view):
1000 -> 1000 / 1000.00
1000,10 -> 0 / 0.00
1000.10 -> 1000.09997558594 !!! / 1000.10
1000.25 -> 1000.25 ??? / 1000.25

Seems to be a different handling between alias scoring and the other scoring lists. Wouldn't it be possible to use the same? Is there really a need to use floats? Imho Integers are good enough for fine tuning scores. (And removes the bugs ;) )
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 15, 2007, 09:15 PM
try the latest download please - and thank you for the reporting - you're a life saver.

regarding floats: it's actually a new thing for farr to use float scores - i only added it because one feature requested a lot for v2 was that the history list keep some track of how often you launched files so that they could be given higher scores, and i felt that the decay rate for items in the history list really needed to be fractional (though it's possible in retrospect that leaving it integral probably would have been ok).  Hopefully it's fixed now though so it won't matter.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 15, 2007, 09:46 PM
I just discovered this so I wanted to add my vote of confidence! :Thmbsup:

If I find anything inconsistent, I'll let you know.  This app could replace the "Start" button!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 16, 2007, 03:36 AM
Ok. I missed this point as you don't use fractional scores yet. (My history score increases 1 by 1 until history auto ceiling value and result list shows only integers). So I agree in using floats for leaving enough room to give additional score on often executed programms while not raising a score to fast. But if I look at the default scores (-100, 25, 75, 100, 1000, etc.) maybe finetuning with fractionals helps not very much. So I have the following suggestions for public discussion:
1. userdefined Bonus for launch history in heuristic scoring to set a higher or lower weight on recent launches.
2. adaptive bonus system where bonus is high/low on first call and decreasing/increasing on following calls.
Examples:
first call 100; second call +50, third call +25, fourth call +12.50,...
or (100), +0.25, +0.50, +1, +2, +4,...
or 100, +1, +2, +3, +4,...
or 100, +50, +49, +48, +47,...
or increasing/decreasing x % of max. history ceiling
Am I going to farr? :-[ . I'm not a long term user of FARR (by now, but will be  :D in future). So I missed already made suggestions and this is maybe a wish for V3.

Btw. The actual history score is neither shown nor updated in result list. It always stays at 100 or rather history bonus.

Oh. And about the fraction bug... In alias/group score 1000,25 results in 0.

I hope you don't hate long posts, because I wan't to suggest another thing.
The new path completion is great, but I often need a path as a param. (e.g. mount c:\xyz\truecryptcontainer.tc, pack c:\dirtopack). So I use an regex like (^[a-z]:{1}\\+[^?:]*|^[a-z]:{1}|^\\{2}\w[^\?:]*) for my different aliases. The disadvantage is, that this fires always on path completion. For now; I have made only few aliases; this is ok. But on the long run this approach wouldn't be usable and messes up the result list. The other way is to use path completion, add a file name and then jump to the start of the line and insert the alias. Not very handy.
So I would like to have "search concatenation delimiter":
1. enter alias ex. mount
2. enter delimiter e.g. |
3. start new search after delimiter as if the edit line was blank
4. repeat step 2. or execute
FARR may ignore the delimiter by itself or one has to do it in the regex.

And finally add a shortcut (e.g. shift+arrow right) to append a filename.
That would be really great!!!

I think this is enough for now. :-[ I hope this wasn't to much.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 03:43 AM
Btw. The actual history score is neither shown nor updated in result list. It always stays at 100 or rather history bonus.

i think what you are referring to was on request, it's an option:
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(note the history score is always used when matching against what you type).

Oh. And about the fraction bug... In alias/group score 1000,25 results in 0.
thx, fixing now.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 16, 2007, 03:57 AM
Ups.  :D Don't know that this option was meant this way.
Btw. Are there plans about translating FARR?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 03:59 AM
The rest of what you are saying meshes exactly with the discussions we have had in the past about supporting "actions" in a future version of farr.  In this case you want to perform an action on a file or path so you want to be able to have farr help you find a file and then maybe help you chose an action to perform on it (or in opposite order).

Although i think a lot more thought has to go into the "perfect" way to do this.. maybe i can sneak in a preliminary implementation of this using the keyword modifiers that recently got added.

The keyword modifiers start with + and let you restrict search directories and scoring patterns.

So that you can type:
dylan +audio
Which tells farr to only find certain types of files and only look in certain places.

Now what if we added the ability to use +ALIAS syntax as well
which would say to ignore the regular expression of the ALIAS, but use the search result as the $$1 paramater in the alias.

So for example, in your case you would make an alias called hexedit
with commandline "C:\program files\hexedit.exe $$1"

Then to use it you would do
+hexedit myfilepattern
and farr would do normal search as you type myfilepattern as normal, as if +hexedit was a search modifier.
except that you would be launching hexedit on the file when you launch.

Now you gave a complex example of using 2 parameters..  That's a lot more convoluted to handle..
Though conceivably it could be done by letting you trigger the first parameter, and then letting you search for second, but that sounds like it could get a bit messy.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 04:02 AM
Are there plans about translating FARR?

I've actually had a good experience translating my URL Snooper program but it does involve a bit of work and maintenance and so it always ends up on the bottom of my todo lists.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 16, 2007, 05:18 AM
Using alias modifier sounds good to me. At least for the most cases.
For complex examples I understand, that this could be messy. Especially with very long paths.
But imagine the launch of programs like winmerge, totalcommander or packing programs, where the file1/file2- or source/target-parameters are used.
What about an additional list with stored parameters?
Just like this faked screenshot?
1. search and save in slot §§# by using a hotkey (incremental adding or until 9 by number)
2. enter alias and insert any of the slotplaceholders §§# and/or additional params in any order as normal
3. execute

Or instead of using a parameterlist these parameters could be treated as special history (always shown) entries with very high scores.
These entries would be deleted by hotkeys.

Or maybe you invent internal commandaliases like ~delsavedparam#. This would also remove the need to open the options by using an internal commandalias like ~setscore <groupname> 1000.

Just some ideas while I'm exploring FARR.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 05:23 AM
this is an interesting idea.. it falls under the rubric of difficult discussions weve had in this section on the best way to deal with actions.. a lot of the ideas for this revolve around a similar scheme of "building up" argument+action chains..  its definitely out of the scope for this version 2 release thoguht, but its something worth thinking about for later release.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 06:35 AM
I have posted a test of the new action system using aliases.  It works exactly as i said above.
Create an alias with a result list using $$1 where you want the file replacement to be.
Then use +aliasname in your search and select your result; you should then see the alias replacement with your selected file.

Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 16, 2007, 08:19 AM
First of all there is a bug (see screenshot).
Option window is topmost. Main window is in background. Edit dialog is between the other ones. Sorry. I didn't noticed this before.

Fraction bug is solved.  :Thmbsup:

I'm playing a little bit with the alias modifier and will give you my feedback.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 16, 2007, 08:33 AM
I've noticed and reported this issue to mouser before as well. The Z-ordering needs some fine tuning.

Mouser, any word on a reworked options dialog for 2.0 final? I mean, while you're working on farr and before you move on to your next project?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 16, 2007, 08:58 AM
Here we go.
+alias modifier ist partial great.
If I want to open a file e.g. MP3-Files, which is assigned to a specific App, then this modifier is the right solution to open the file with a different App e.g. editor, tagger, etc.. Perfect.  :up:
But what it lacks is the possibility to use additional parameters as it is always $$1 and I assume that it overrides the regex feature. Am I right?. It prevents editing also. Which is not surprising.
Another point is, that only 1 modifier is useable. So all possible candidates have to be in one group.
While this can be a disadvantage, it can also be a solution for adding additional parameters (except for those derived from nice path completion).
The way would be the following:
1. enter +alias and searchpattern
2. select result
3. instead of only switching to alias results, the edit line will be changed from "+alias searchpattern" to "alias <previous selected result($$1)>" with focus on edit line
4. add parameters as you like or select result entry and go


Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 02:34 PM
i think we should give some more thought to multi-parameter stuff - there are a lot of issues like letting user search for actions among a set and other things that would be worth considering in this line of thought that i'm just not ready to embark on.  i think it may call for a more fundamental change of interface as your mock screenshot suggests.

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 02:40 PM
hornsts, you need a screenshot taking program that creates png formatted files - your screenshot makes my eyes bleed.
Try Screeeshot Captor: https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/screenshotcaptor/index.html
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on January 16, 2007, 04:14 PM
For what it is worth, I am only a user who is just now trying to train myself to make more use of the keyboard than the mouse.
I really like FARR. Unobtrusive & dependable little app that is out of sight until I need it, then two keys: "break" & a number (90% of the time it is 1, 2, or 3), & I am up & running with what I want to do in a couple of seconds.It is training me to work more efficiently. I have reccomended it to about a dozen friends.
I do not even understand all the options available now, but I have it set in a way that works for me. From all the discussion (which, admittedly, I don't understand a tenth of :huh:), it looks like you guys are developing a tool that an IT guy would want for server operations. This must be a good thing or you wouldn't be spending so much time & brain sweat on it.
So my suggestion is publish two versions: a "lite" version for guys like me, maybe even a little trimmed back from Ver 2.0, & a "mega" version that will probably become indispensable to guys like you. :Thmbsup:
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 16, 2007, 07:28 PM
...my suggestion is publish two versions: a "lite" version for guys like me, maybe even a little trimmed back from Ver 2.0, & a "mega" version ...
that's a good suggestion, DocSavage but currently it's under heavy development & mouser has to move things around.. maybe things will clearer once ver.2 to reaches beta & the dust settles.. also in the meantime, if you don't need the folder search feature, you can always use ver.1 :)

mouser, i agree with Josh (from a few posts above) that this is a good time for a redesign of the options section.. ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 16, 2007, 07:37 PM
For what it is worth, I am only a user who is just now trying to train myself to make more use of the keyboard than the mouse... :Thmbsup:
dk

Me too!  My mouse hand has really started to hurt recently so I came up with an idea I'm calling "TargetKeys" for now that should be out in a month or so.   I'll put your name on a list to let you lnow once it's alive and kicking.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 09:53 PM
also in the meantime, if you don't need the folder search feature, you can always use ver.1

i can't think of a reason not to use version 2.  if you don't need the folder search feature, just uncheck the folder search option on the General Options tab.

My programs tend to have a lot of options because I tend to take user suggestions pretty seriously.. I appreciate that more options make it a bit more complicated to find and tweak what you want but I usually tend to err on the side of adding the option.  I do however work hard to make the defaults usable right out of the box.

I think the defaults on FARR v2 are such that most people need never open up the options dialog and change anything; just just the program as is.

I'm definitely willing to hear any suggestions about changes i should make to the default options, but i'm not inclined to make 2 different versions of the program. I would be willing to consider a "simple mode" but i'm not sure what that would be - almost all of the advanced stuff in FARR is completely invisible to the user unless they know how to use it, and it doesnt really interfere with basic use of the program does it?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 16, 2007, 10:03 PM
also in the meantime, if you don't need the folder search feature, you can always use ver.1

i can't think of a reason not to use version 2.  if you don't need the folder search feature, just uncheck the folder search option on the General Options tab.

My programs tend to have a lot of options because I tend to take user suggestions pretty seriously.. I appreciate that more options make it a bit more complicated to find and tweak what you want but I usually tend to err on the side of adding the option.  I do however work hard to make the defaults usable right out of the box.

I think the defaults on FARR v2 are such that most people need never open up the options dialog and change anything; just just the program as is.

I'm definitely willing to hear any suggestions about changes i should make to the default options, but i'm not inclined to make 2 different versions of the program. I would be willing to consider a "simple mode" but i'm not sure what that would be - almost all of the advanced stuff in FARR is completely invisible to the user unless they know how to use it, and it doesnt really interfere with basic use of the program does it?

As one that has just discovered FARR 1 and have been trying to use it I could give you an intuitive feedback on v.2  I'll test-drive V.2 for you but you'll have to tell me where it is?  I can't find it?  I've scanned/read the thread and searched for about an hour, no dice.  Did I miss something?

I will say except for locating folders and data files, it works great out of the box.  The only reason I even went into Options is because I thought I could config it to find my folders and data files.

"Simple Options" mode is a good idea.  When I first opened the Options dialog it was pretty busy.  If you had a "Simple" mode with the basics you could include a checkbox/button for "Advanced Options" which would show what one sees now, but the user would know they are getting into the nitty-gritty works.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 16, 2007, 11:34 PM
i can't think of a reason not to use version 2.  if you don't need the folder search feature, just uncheck the folder search option on the General Options tab.
now, that's something i didn't know.. i agree that more options are better, and tinkerers like me always would want to have a look at the options available..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 16, 2007, 11:38 PM
Ok, I tried the v.2 Alpha and it works great for me out of the box!  I was able to add another "Search Folder" via right click.  It was on another partition and the folder and files were 6 levels deep!  Worked like a champ!  If there is a list of "Try this, please..." steps, I can try it, but everything I've seen in v.2 works great so far.

I took another look at the Options.  I highly recommend presenting a "Simple Mode" first and then let them find the "Advanced Mode" later.  Just MHO, but here is what I suggest.  There's a lot so I just drew pictures

Note the typo...
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[attachthumb=#2][/attachthumb]

[attachthumb=#3][/attachthumb]

[attachthumb=#4][/attachthumb]

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 16, 2007, 11:43 PM
very thoughtfull suggestions farmsteader, i may just go with your suggestions,
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 17, 2007, 01:30 AM
I've uploaded a new version with the Advanced vs. Simple mode switch.
There are a couple of items i left in simple mode just to communicate them to user (hotkeys).

I realize the right click menu is a bit complicated BUT i think it's dangerous to remove it in simple mode beause there is no easy way for the user to figure out that it is missing.  Let's just assume the right click menu is something that novice users will never see anyway since they wont be right clicking; if they right click then they are advanced enough to deserve the full thing.

PS.
As i get ready to make this a public release i could also use some advice on a top 10 skins list from the bonus skin pack that i should include with the full release.  The skins pack download includes screenshots by the way for those who want to suggest their favorite skins.  I'd appreciate hearing your choices.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 17, 2007, 01:34 AM
Note:
The latest version (2.00.35) now tries to reduce font size on Large Font displays to eliminate the cropping of labels and stuff seen before on Large Font displays. Ironically, i think this makes the font a bit harder to read then if one were in small font mode BUT at least everything should fit on screen I hope.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 17, 2007, 02:19 AM
I've uploaded a new version with the Advanced vs. Simple mode switch.
There are a couple of items i left in simple mode just to communicate them to user (hotkeys).

I realize the right click menu is a bit complicated BUT i think it's dangerous to remove it in simple mode beause there is no easy way for the user to figure out that it is missing.  Let's just assume the right click menu is something that novice users will never see anyway since they wont be right clicking; if they right click then they are advanced enough to deserve the full thing.

Makes sense.


PS.
As i get ready to make this a public release i could also use some advice on a top 10 skins list from the bonus skin pack that i should include with the full release.  The skins pack download includes screenshots by the way for those who want to suggest their favorite skins.  I'd appreciate hearing your choices.

When are you wanting to go "Gold?" (read: how much time do we have to do this?)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 17, 2007, 02:36 AM
There's no hard and fast deadline - i was thinking it would be ready this week.. I'd like to be able to announce it in the next newsletter on Jan 22nd, so let's consider that a hard deadline.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: justice on January 17, 2007, 03:19 AM
Skins I would recommend based on the screenshots included in the skin pack:

wmpx-XMP2
VistaXP-VISTAXPS2.jpg
TD4-PANTHER.jpg
SYSTEM4
Sustenance
Royal1
RoueGrey
OpusOS
Luna
Luna (Longhorn Revolution)
LE4
Clearlooks

I have not listed any color variations specifically. Any skins which change the minimize/maximize buttons I think should not be included, nor any that had interface elements misaligned (see Head1 Head2 in the screenshots and up/down arrows). Exception for OpusOS.  :-* Tried to list the most usable ones instead of the crazy ones.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on January 17, 2007, 06:37 AM
Hey! I can read the options box now.  :Thmbsup:
When I installed the latest release I got an error message. attached. The error persisted after I shut down my anti-virus & re-tried the installation. Same on two machines. I got it installed by skipping the file.
Of the skins I tried, I like "longhorn" best. It fits the style of my current GUIs
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 17, 2007, 06:45 AM
hehehe don't skip the file - its the update!
It just means the old version of the program is still running in that tray - exit it from the tray and then install :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: hornsts on January 17, 2007, 06:48 AM
Sorry mouser, but in v2.00.35 the score bug is back. e.g. If I edit the regex and save then score is set to 0.00. Every time I edit an entry I have to set the score to an Integer value. The use of . or , always leads to 0.00.

Regarding skins I like:
Luna, Luna Longhorn Revolution), iTunes, Royale1, Sustance and VistaXP



Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on January 17, 2007, 07:01 AM
Mouser,
I like the new options box. Advanced Users and, uh...me. :huh:
Thanks for the error box explanation.
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on January 17, 2007, 07:04 AM
I just downloaded the latest version.
The "simple mode" was a grand idea. I think it might be a big help for begginers! (I'd love to see their face when they change from "simple mode" to "advanced mode",  :D :D)
I think the stuff in the simple mode is well chosen, i'd leave it like that.

In terms of skins, my all-time favourite is mxskin31.skn. This is the one i've been using ever since my first instalation of farr.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 17, 2007, 07:09 AM
Actually, I would add aliases to the simple dialog simply because they are a commonly used feature and quite easy to figure out.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 17, 2007, 07:35 AM
Actually, I would add aliases to the simple dialog simply because they are a commonly used feature and quite easy to figure out.

josh you just spent the last month trying to convince me they were too hard to use!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: brahman on January 17, 2007, 07:42 AM
Please be so kind and send me a DL link. :Thmbsup:

Thanks,

Brahman
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 17, 2007, 11:13 AM
Actually, I would add aliases to the simple dialog simply because they are a commonly used feature and quite easy to figure out.

josh you just spent the last month trying to convince me they were too hard to use!

Actually, My complaint isnt that they are hard to use. My complaint is that I feel that there should be a separation of KEYWORDS (designed to launch a single program/url) and aliases, designed to launch various items with different possible options.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: pomj on January 17, 2007, 05:15 PM
PS.
As i get ready to make this a public release i could also use some advice on a top 10 skins list from the bonus skin pack that i should include with the full release.  The skins pack download includes screenshots by the way for those who want to suggest their favorite skins.  I'd appreciate hearing your choices.

mxskin31, all opusOS, RoueGrey-Slim, System4-black2 and system4-blue are my favourites.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 17, 2007, 05:33 PM
What would you think of changing the word "VIEW" to "Mode" on the Options menu?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 17, 2007, 10:46 PM
We may need to add a "Go to Directory" and "Go to Target"  items to the R/C menu.

The "Jump to directory" menu choice let's you view, but I often need to copy/paste from one dir to another.  My computer is also a repository of data files and setup.exe files that I have to copy to a USB drive for various users.

If someone knows this is already included, please advise how it works.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 18, 2007, 01:08 AM
i think the options are all there that you are asking for..
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the "jump" puts the directory of the item in the farr built in text edit field.
the others launch your file browser or copy item path.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 18, 2007, 02:13 AM
i think the options are all there that you are asking for..
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the "jump" puts the directory of the item in the farr built in text edit field.
the others launch your file browser or copy item path.

Roger!  Sorry for the bother.  I guess I just didn't see them.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 18, 2007, 02:39 AM
Maybe watching 200 million highway stripes go by while I drove a truck has made me somewhat mundane, but I am perfectly content with the default skin!   Besides the sheer undecorated utility reminds me of a robot.  Can one of our resident "Rembrandts" maybe do a mock-up of a skin that looks "robotic?"  (Sorry, that was just an uncontrollable flight of wild fantastical imagination!)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: JennyB on January 18, 2007, 04:54 AM
The "Jump to directory" menu choice let's you view, but I often need to copy/paste from one dir to another.  My computer is also a repository of data files and setup.exe files that I have to copy to a USB drive for various users.

If someone knows this is already included, please advise how it works.

Thanks!

Other way to do this now - "launching" a folder copies its path to the search box, so that it appears as the first entry in the results.

Find and launch your destination folder.
Hit Enter to open it in your file manager.
Find your source files in FARR and Control-drop them to the file manager.

This works very well - thanks Mouser!

Two small points:

Another idea: couldn't ESC now clear the search window and show the history list?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Babis on January 19, 2007, 01:04 AM
Well I make full use of escape as it is. If you are in results list and hit Esc you go back to the search bar.

The only small improvement I want for Escape is when I return to the search bar to have the previous search highlighted. Now the cursor stays at the end of search text. Please make it to highlight all the searched text so that the new search starts immediately.

Screenshots of what it does now and what I suggest

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/305/snap1lb3.png)

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7702/snap2ln3.png)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 19, 2007, 01:07 AM
Well I make full use of escape as it is. If you are in results list and hit Esc you go back to the search bar.

The only small improvement I want for Escape is when I return to the search bar to have the previous search highlighted. Now the cursor stays at the end of search text. Please make it to highlight all the searched text so that the new search starts immediately.


Excellent suggestion, but I think someone beat you to it.  My FARR does this already!  What version do you have... mine is 2.00.35?

Mouser - per chance, is there a setting for this behavior?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 19, 2007, 01:12 AM
i think we are thinking very much alike - it's just in my implementation, the first time you hit escape it brings you to the edit box (assuming you arent there already).  If you hit escape from within the edit box, it does exactly as you say and highlights the existing search so that you can type a new one.  And if you hit escape while the existing text is highlighted then it closes the window.  I find this pretty natural but i'm willing to make escape highlight the complete text right away (the extra step makes it a little easier to hit escape to interrupt a search and ADD terms).  So basically escape operates in stages, always canceling current operation and putting you back a step.

Babis, you still need to get your self an improved screenshot tool which takes png images which wont have all that noise you see in your imags.  I still recommend my own Screenshot Captor (visit web page here (https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/screenshotcaptor/index.html)).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 19, 2007, 02:32 AM
Babis, you still need to get your self an improved screenshot tool which takes png images which wont have all that noise you see in your imags.  I still recommend my own Screenshot Captor

yeah Babis, do us all a favour.. ;) or at least increase the JPG quality to at least 85.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: Babis on January 19, 2007, 03:40 AM
Babis, you still need to get your self an improved screenshot tool which takes png images which wont have all that noise you see in your imags.  I still recommend my own Screenshot Captor (visit web page here (https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/screenshotcaptor/index.html)).

I am using HyperSnap, but I will try screenshotcaptor.
I made the original pics small only to load faster and not waste your bandwith
BTW I updated now with bmps

i think we are thinking very much alike - it's just in my implementation, the first time you hit escape it brings you to the edit box (assuming you arent there already).  If you hit escape from within the edit box, it does exactly as you say and highlights the existing search so that you can type a new one.  And if you hit escape while the existing text is highlighted then it closes the window.  I find this pretty natural but i'm willing to make escape highlight the complete text right away (the extra step makes it a little easier to hit escape to interrupt a search and ADD terms).  So basically escape operates in stages, always canceling current operation and putting you back a step.

Well I haven't noticed that you have to hit twice escape.
Now I am covered so you can ignore the request.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 19, 2007, 06:29 AM
in general, png is almost always best for screenshots - it's lossless like bmp but compressed (bmps can get huge).
jpg is good for photographs but not so good for things like screenshots.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.25 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 13, 2007
Post by: JennyB on January 19, 2007, 11:04 AM
i think we are thinking very much alike - it's just in my implementation, the first time you hit escape it brings you to the edit box (assuming you arent there already).  If you hit escape from within the edit box, it does exactly as you say and highlights the existing search so that you can type a new one.  And if you hit escape while the existing text is highlighted then it closes the window.  I find this pretty natural but i'm willing to make escape highlight the complete text right away (the extra step makes it a little easier to hit escape to interrupt a search and ADD terms).  So basically escape operates in stages, always canceling current operation and putting you back a step.


Yes, I'd forgotten about the "escape to edit box" stage. Turns out I was using it without thinking about it, a sure sign that it's a GOOD IDEA.

My suggestion is to change the "escape in edit box" because:

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 21, 2007, 08:53 PM
I've just uploaded v 2.00.37 - with TONS of improvements and changes.  I wanted to get this up tonight so i expect that there may be some oddities and little bugs, but the major functionality for v2 is all in place now.

Help items for the new stuff is still very very sparse but i'll be filling it out this week.  Feel free to ask what the new options and stuff do here if you can't figure it out.



My new favorite feature - the new skin combo box which makes it super easy to preview skins.,
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 21, 2007, 09:23 PM
looks good, mouser. the aliases are working again eventhough not the open all aliases shortcut (Ctrl+Enter).. i like the new "File vs. Folder Score Ratio" settings but on the results box, the spacing could be reduced for a slimmer looking results.. :)

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 21, 2007, 09:28 PM
Ctrl+Alt+Enter launches all.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 21, 2007, 09:40 PM
Ctrl+Alt+Enter launches all.
yup, it works.. :up: what about the spacing?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: Chris on January 22, 2007, 09:20 PM
Hi

Can I have access to current alpha release?

Chris
Adelaide
Australia
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 22, 2007, 09:41 PM
Can I have access to current alpha release?
check your PM.. ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 23, 2007, 01:08 AM
what about the spacing?
Yep, i'll tighten it up.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: reko100 on January 23, 2007, 10:13 PM
Hmm mouser, i thought you are going to release the public version at this newsletter....

Since you are not ready for the public release, can i have the current alpha version please?

Thanks :)

Joe
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on January 23, 2007, 10:31 PM
reko100, check your PM.. btw, mouser, why not put the alpha version's link in public? maybe you can change the title bar of Farr's main window to say that this is the alpha version..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: reko100 on January 23, 2007, 10:44 PM
thanks lanux, thats fast.... :-*
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: reko100 on January 23, 2007, 11:46 PM
Hi,

Just tried V2, and i loved it especially with the faster search speed and directory search.... :-*

Excellent work, mouser... :Thmbsup:

Two things to comment:

1. Is it possible to put a date modified column at the search display...easier for me to view my recent document...

2. was playing around with the skinning part of FARR, and was spooked for a moment to find clearlooks-Human.skn...fun stuff. Did not choose it as i dont want human skin on my FARR... :P

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 24, 2007, 12:40 AM
[Off Topic...sort of...]

Mouser,

This works better than a lot of "Gold" releases I've seen.  Why are you calling it "Alpha?"  What needs to be in it to make it a "Beta?"

No criticism whatsoever, just curious.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 24, 2007, 01:41 AM
This works better than a lot of "Gold" releases I've seen.  Why are you calling it "Alpha?"  What needs to be in it to make it a "Beta?"

Google has gotten famous for keeping everything they make in Beta stage forever.  So I figure I can become more famous than google if i keep all my programs in Alpha stage forever.

The only problem is that there is nothing before Alpha... or is there..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 24, 2007, 01:56 AM
This works better than a lot of "Gold" releases I've seen.  Why are you calling it "Alpha?"  What needs to be in it to make it a "Beta?"

Google has gotten famous for keeping everything they make in Beta stage forever.  So I figure I can become more famous than google if i keep all my programs in Alpha stage forever.

The only problem is that there is nothing before Alpha... or is there..

You could really be unique and use "Omega!"  :P
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: reko100 on January 24, 2007, 02:07 AM
according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet...

mouser got to go through quite a lot of greek to get to omega.... :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: Babis on January 24, 2007, 04:09 AM
It seems that I cannot resize the columns in the latest Alpha release. When I press and hold the left mouse button to drag them towards right, something seems odd, like following screenshot. Is it a bug or someth with my settings?

(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1390/snap0020gc.png)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 24, 2007, 04:13 AM
wow you are right - thanks for catching that babis!
i guess now we know why it's still in beta :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 24, 2007, 04:22 AM
wow you are right - thanks for catching that babis!
i guess now we know why it's still in beta alpha :)

All kidding aside, does anyone know if there is actually a grading system that identifies alpha, beta, etc?  Or is it more like a tradition?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: jcmn on January 24, 2007, 06:52 AM
I was forgetting to ask this: It would be (for me) a great improvement to be able to sort entries by date (modified) or at least to be able to score by the date of the file/folder. Is this possible? I hope so.

It is very difficult e.g. when you don't know the name of what you are searching for but only the extension to find it in a huge list. If it is sorted by date it is more likely to be able to find out.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 24, 2007, 06:57 AM
i will put on my todo list an option for grabbing/showing/sorting/biasing-scores by date.
it may slow things down a little so ill make it optional.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: jcmn on January 24, 2007, 08:18 AM
Thanks a lot. It will be important.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: justice on January 24, 2007, 08:27 AM
Mouser what are you thinking about supporting United Naming Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Naming_Convention) for network paths so we can search network drives without having to map them to a drive-letter? Guess it's not a big priority as the work around is common :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on January 24, 2007, 10:52 AM
Just in case  you did not get my PM MSG, may I ask for the download link please.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 24, 2007, 11:27 AM
First off, let me say that farr is really coming along nicely. That said, there are still a few things I would like to see incorporated into farr prior to 2.0 going gold, if possible.



OK, here is a list:

Creating a separate tab and distinction for KEYWORDS as opposed to aliases (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6646.0)

This one would provide a way for users to add KEYWORDS which are designed to launch a single process, file, or link without the need for the complex add alias dialog. This would also add for a bit more organization.

Windows Logo Key support (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6645.0)

This would allow for users to get one step closer to treating this as a true replacement for the Windows start menu. Actually, allen had a great idea that could also be added here where FARR would intercept the Windows logo key press altogether and process it AS the start menu since FARR, by default, searches the start menu. See his posts here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6645.msg46670#msg46670)

Access to the IE/FF/Opera URL history list (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6723.0)

This would be VERY VERY useful for users to access, quickly, their previously typed URL's from their browsers history. This would be fairly easy for IE, not sure about opera/firefox, and would allow us to quickly gain access to past URL's and can also be invoked with the www alias which currently exists.

These are some features I would love to see make it into FARR 2.0 Gold (Beta, since your beta is final, and alpha is beta ;-) ).  I think JGPAIVA has a list of things he would like to see as well, perhaps he could post here too.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on January 24, 2007, 12:05 PM
These are some features I would love to see make it into FARR 2.0 Gold (Beta, since your beta is final, and alpha is beta ;-) ).  I think JGPAIVA has a list of things he would like to see as well, perhaps he could post here too.
Well... As far as farr's 2.0 version goes, i don't think i have any special requests, since mouser made a great work in fufilling them all.
Now, iirc the only 2 things missing are indexing and "actions", but that's for V3.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: kfitting on January 24, 2007, 01:37 PM
I'd like to second the windows key support... that would be pretty cool.

Kevin
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 24, 2007, 02:43 PM
Gee. I was using X1 and Copernic today and, although I'm using them for a different purpose than FARR, I must say that I find FARR much more reliable and predictable. X1 is sluggish and doesn't index my biggest documents completely, copernic refuses to show (in preview window) big documents completely, etc. And both crash from time to time. FARR has not even crashed once in a year and WORKS REALLY WELL for what it's meant to do.
I have to congratulate you again Mouser! I know that words of thanks are not money  :), but... in the mean time.
Armando.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: Babis on January 25, 2007, 02:54 AM
i will put on my todo list an option for grabbing/showing/sorting/biasing-scores by date.
it may slow things down a little so ill make it optional.

That will make it perfect. Please try to implement at version 2.

Gee. I was using X1 and Copernic today and, although I'm using them for a different purpose than FARR, I must say that I find FARR much more reliable and predictable. X1 is sluggish and doesn't index my biggest documents completely, copernic refuses to show (in preview window) big documents completely, etc. And both crash from time to time. FARR has not even crashed once in a year and WORKS REALLY WELL for what it's meant to do.
I have to congratulate you again Mouser! I know that words of thanks are not money  :), but... in the mean time.
Armando.


Try DTSEARCH you will be amazed with the quality difference.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on January 26, 2007, 08:49 AM
After all, i did have 2 minor requests:
I think the up arrow should do the same as the down arrow (go to the results) but starting on the end of the list.
Also, ctrl-left should only delete a word when there's a path there. I use ctrl-Left and ctrl-right to move between words a lot.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 26, 2007, 12:12 PM
ps. i'll have a new version out by monday with the latest improvements.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.37 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 21, 2007
Post by: tmpusr on January 27, 2007, 04:42 AM
Graphical errosr

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Column headers. Moved the line between Score and Location.

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Use Appearance fonts instead of hard coding the hideous Much$uck fonts, so it can look something like this

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Here hard coding colors is obviously required

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Been using white on black since the days of the command line and my eyes thank me for it. The logic: My brain needs photons only for information. Background isn't information.

This problem is common. Lots of software has colors and fonts hard coded. Just don't do it

The displayed black theme is attached.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 29, 2007, 02:20 PM
v2.00.39 Alpha is now up - see first post for changes - lots of bug fixes.

Same download as previous top secret alpha releases.  If you want the link send me a message.

(I'll tackle some of the issues brought up in this thread as soon as i get my todo list down a bit - i think we are approaching a public beta for v2 soon..)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Josh on January 29, 2007, 02:47 PM
NO!!!! No public until we are satiated!



Good job mousey, as always :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 29, 2007, 03:49 PM
Thanks Mouser.

quickly, 2 things :

- If I set FARR to display extra columns (type, score, ....) and when set to "auto-shrink", the result field is jumpy when it reaches bottom of the screen (comlumns "jump" horizontaly). (jumpy BEahavior will be a bit less distracting if I set a fixed size for the window -- but it seems that I sometime ran in the issue of FARR changing my set size for the window... Have do double check that assertion thouhg)
- If I set the "inactive memory use" to "Stay in memory longer", FARR sometimes stalls (it won't appear when I press the hotkey and the taskmanger will show relatively high CPU activity -- more than 30% -- for the process. So, for now, I keep the "average" setting -- noproblem with this one.

That's it for now...

A.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 29, 2007, 04:10 PM
Another thing I noticed :

Sometimes, FARR will have to be "closed" and "relaunched" with the hotkey to have it start searching normally again or to  show the history list (blanking the search field) -- otherwise it just doesn't search or show history when blanking the search field.

This happens when I double click on a result to open it (I know... I'm note supposed to use the mouse! But I’m testing!). After the file is opened, if I then blank the field or change the characters in the search filed it will not do anything.

I don't know if it will happen in other circumstances.

Hope that my clumsy English is understandable…

A.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Arjen on January 30, 2007, 11:05 AM
I just had the following when starting FARR 2.00.39:

When it started up, it showed a results window that was completely blank.

After I started typing it looked like this:

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I have the "Auto shrink window" and "Blank search shows launch history" options on.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 30, 2007, 11:11 AM
hmm.. what on earth have i done.. and why aren't these things happening for me..
sounds like an issue with my autoshrink timer - ill have another look.
now we know why these are still alphas  :-\
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 30, 2007, 01:17 PM
hmm.. what on earth have i done.. and why aren't these things happening for me..
sounds like an issue with my autoshrink timer - ill have another look.
now we know why these are still alphas  :-\

Don't worry, in taht case, even Win Xp service-pack 2 is alpha...  :) after billions of $ and many years of work.
FARR is perfectly useable as it is since I use it once every 5min!!!  :Thmbsup:

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Armando on January 30, 2007, 07:22 PM
Hi Mouser,

I just noticed that the window transparency setting doesn't work anymore. It actually works only when I move the slide, but once it's set and I close the Option window, the FARR main window goes back to its normal opacity.

Screenshots :
- on the first screenshot you can see that the "window transparency" setting is set to about medium transparency, but FARR is completely "opaque" (not transparent).
- On the second screen shot, FARR becomes transparent when I move the cursor with my mouse... but it will go back to its opacity as soon as I'll close the Option window.

A.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 30, 2007, 07:24 PM
confirmed. will fix.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: pikamookie on January 30, 2007, 11:35 PM
i'd love to beta test!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Arjen on January 31, 2007, 03:29 AM
hmm.. what on earth have i done.. and why aren't these things happening for me..
sounds like an issue with my autoshrink timer - ill have another look.
now we know why these are still alphas  :-\
Here is what happened after some more testing:


So it seems to be some startup issue, maybe?

Also, when I turn the "auto shrink" option OFF, it seems that the FARR window stays the same size no matter what. So if the window is really small (because there were no results) when you turn the option off, it stays that way and you can't see the search results anymore.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on January 31, 2007, 03:56 AM
Arjen, can you check what version # it says you are running in your about box?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Arjen on January 31, 2007, 04:16 AM
Arjen, can you check what version # it says you are running in your about box?
2.00.39
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: kingcrimson on January 31, 2007, 05:35 PM
I just noticed that the window transparency setting doesn't work anymore. It actually works only when I move the slide, but once it's set and I close the Option window, the FARR main window goes back to its normal opacity.

I've noticed this behavior when the skin pack is installed. Without it, transparency setting works ok.

Bob
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: kingcrimson on January 31, 2007, 05:36 PM
Hi Mouser,

First off, I think V2 is really wonderful. I really appreciate the addition of phrase search and the directory modifiers. Those are two great features (IMO).

I was playing around and discovered the following:  When using the arrow  keys to navigate folder structures in the results pane, the focus switches back  the search box after pressing one arrow key. For navigation purposes, I think it would be better for the results pane to maintain focus, so that the user can keep stepping through the directory hierarchy, rather than having to hit the down arrow to get focus back to the results pane. This fits in the realm of being a minor annoyance, but I think maintaining focus (if not hard to do) is the way to go.

Also, I note that when the path you are navigating contains a "-", that the part of the path after the "-" gets parsed out and appended to the end of the path string in the search box. IMO, this is a minor thing, and I'm not sure how you'd fix this without changing the "-" modifier to a character that is not acceptible in folder or file names.

Thanks again!
Bob
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on January 31, 2007, 05:49 PM
I was playing around and discovered the following:  When using the arrow  keys to navigate folder structures in the results pane, the focus switches back  the search box after pressing one arrow key. For navigation purposes, I think it would be better for the results pane to maintain focus, so that the user can keep stepping through the directory hierarchy, rather than having to hit the down arrow to get focus back to the results pane. This fits in the realm of being a minor annoyance, but I think maintaining focus (if not hard to do) is the way to go.
Actually, that made me find something too. When navigating through folders, if you select a folder and press TAB, the name of the folder is copied to the inputbox, and the focus stays on the results and the only result is that same folder. I think that doesn't make sense. Either the focus is returned to the inputbox, or the other folders and results for that folder should come up.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: JennyB on February 01, 2007, 08:23 AM
I was playing around and discovered the following:  When using the arrow  keys to navigate folder structures in the results pane, the focus switches back  the search box after pressing one arrow key. For navigation purposes, I think it would be better for the results pane to maintain focus, so that the user can keep stepping through the directory hierarchy, rather than having to hit the down arrow to get focus back to the results pane. This fits in the realm of being a minor annoyance, but I think maintaining focus (if not hard to do) is the way to go.
Actually, that made me find something too. When navigating through folders, if you select a folder and press TAB, the name of the folder is copied to the inputbox, and the focus stays on the results and the only result is that same folder. I think that doesn't make sense. Either the focus is returned to the inputbox, or the other folders and results for that folder should come up.

So "Select,Tab" should do what "Select, Right Arrow" does now, and "Select, Right Arrow" should have the same result, but leave the focus on the first entry in the results. "Select, Left Arrow" is the same, but the first entry is the parent of the previously-selected item?

Makes sense to me!  :D

I'm thinking, too, that plugins and aliases should appear to the user as if they were folders, probably stored and organised in something like LBC's .mcf  files.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 01, 2007, 08:31 AM
ive started working on plugins.

They will be automatically loaded/detected when found in the Plugins directory; there will be a tab for them in the options so you can configure each one or disable it if you dont want to use it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Babis on February 02, 2007, 12:58 AM
i will put on my todo list an option for grabbing/showing/sorting/biasing-scores by date.
it may slow things down a little so ill make it optional.

Please consider and this feature, thanks.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 02, 2007, 09:29 AM
Babis, that has already been added in latest v2 alpha.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Babis on February 03, 2007, 01:01 AM
Thanks for implementing this option. I am not sure how it works. I went to options>heuristic scoring and gave "recency date bonus" the highest score. However when I type ".txt" the most recent text file is not on top of search results.

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BTW the thread displays v.2.00.39 and my new installation v.2.00.41. That's why I just updated because I thought I had the most recent version.

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: alphaex32 on February 03, 2007, 08:44 AM
I use this program daily and I'd love to test the new alpha. Btw, it would be awesome if you could integrate this into a taskbar toolbar somehow.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Josh on February 03, 2007, 10:07 AM
I agree!!! That would rock! Mouser, chalk me up for taskbar toolbar support. +1
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: chrisGrind on February 03, 2007, 10:11 AM
I'd like to try the latest alpha too. I'll report problems I find  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: chrisGrind on February 03, 2007, 11:24 AM
First bug to report  :)
When using path completion if the directory contains a dash, the path will be repeated as you continue to press Tab.
Example:
c:\temp\bob-1.0
FARR will continue appending like so:
C:\tempcbg\bob-1.0\-1.0\-1.0\-1.0
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Armando on February 03, 2007, 01:18 PM
Btw, it would be awesome if you could integrate this into a taskbar toolbar somehow.

May this belongs to another thread, but I wonder what extra functionnality would that add?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: alphaex32 on February 04, 2007, 10:55 AM
Btw, it would be awesome if you could integrate this into a taskbar toolbar somehow.

May this belongs to another thread, but I wonder what extra functionnality would that add?
I just think it's convenient. I have an explorer address bar on my taskbar, and even though I always have FARR running, I find myself going to the address bar a lot to quickly open directories. Maybe it just seems more readily available to me because it's always visible.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Josh on February 04, 2007, 12:20 PM
Yes, it will always be visible, and the current key combos to access farr could still apply and bring focus to the entry field in the taskbar. Farr would also be quicker because you wouldnt have to bring up the main interface, as its always visible in the taskbar.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: Armando on February 04, 2007, 05:06 PM
I just think it's convenient. I have an explorer address bar on my taskbar, and even though I always have FARR running, I find myself going to the address bar a lot to quickly open directories. Maybe it just seems more readily available to me because it's always visible.

I just never use the address bar anymore. But I can understand that you like having everything in one place. It would be a bit like the Copernic bar, or the gnome deskbar (in Linux).

speaking of Linux... Mouser, have you ever thought of porting FARR to Linux? would that be hard? I tried it with Wine at some point and it kinda worked -- but I didn't try it that much since my main working platform is Windows (until I can find a replacement for every single app). (Anybody using Linux around here?  :) )

Farr would also be quicker because you wouldnt have to bring up the main interface, as its always visible in the taskbar.

Probably, yes. If it adds some speed, I'm all for it!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.39 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - January 29, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 04, 2007, 05:11 PM
its unlikely farr will ever be ported to linux, but these launch tools are starting to get popular so i expect linux will have some more good alternatives for linux in the coming year or so (written by others!).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 04, 2007, 07:03 PM
V2.00.42 is up (see first post in thread for details) - same secret url as before - message me for download link.

It's Mostly a minor update with bugfix, however you can call up control panel stuff (just type in control panel item description or type cpanel)
Plugins are coming soon!

This is getting close to public release time.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: Josh on February 04, 2007, 07:08 PM
PLUGINS! YEAY!!!!!!! I read control panel and the first thought that came to mind was "Can he make the alias cpanel?" and look at that, he did. You are on the ball mousey. Great job!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on February 04, 2007, 09:53 PM
sorry for being a dunce, but how do i enable the date column?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 04, 2007, 10:25 PM
in display tab of options their are checkboxes for each column.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on February 04, 2007, 11:36 PM
hmm.. how did i miss that? :P

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: ravi_hamsa on February 05, 2007, 07:55 PM
Hi

I want to play with it...


thanks

Ravi Kumar Hamsa  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.42 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 4, 2007
Post by: Gothi[c] on February 06, 2007, 04:55 AM
its unlikely farr will ever be ported to linux, but these launch tools are starting to get popular so i expect linux will have some more good alternatives for linux in the coming year or so (written by others!).

Linux actually already has quite a bunch of them. most run in some kind of panel or task bar though. (or on the desktop). I yet have to see one that launches at a keypress.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.44 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 06, 2007, 05:07 AM
Check out the new sound and fade in options. 8)

I also added a bunch of clipboard functionality tools (see help file).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.44 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: sargonv on February 06, 2007, 03:41 PM
I would like to beta-test  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.44 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 06, 2007, 04:41 PM
2.0.45 is up with an attempt to fix the two bugs found in 2.0.44 (note there is now an option to keep farr windows ontop, which was default in the past but is now not the default).  Let me know any more bugs.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: rojer_31 on February 07, 2007, 02:42 AM
I would like to participate in the beta test also :)

Seems like fun ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: Ward on February 07, 2007, 07:44 AM
Can I? Can I please have a copy to test?  :D

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: devilzz on February 07, 2007, 08:23 AM
Thanks for the greate App. ;D
Mouser can I get a link to the Alpha Version.
Thanks. :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: Darwin on February 07, 2007, 09:19 AM
Click on the mail (envelope) button underneath mouser's avatar and send him a private message to get a link for the alpha version. Nothing wrong with posting here, just that you'll likely get a quicker response and the thread won't get gummed up with requests...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: Babis on February 08, 2007, 02:43 AM
Thanks for implementing this option. I am not sure how it works. I went to options>heuristic scoring and gave "recency date bonus" the highest score. However when I type ".txt" the most recent text file is not on top of search results.

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Well let me quote myself now. If I set the value to 9999.00 instead of 500.00, I get the result I want: most recent files come first. I thought that a value of 500 will suffice as it was the higher value in Heuristic scoring, but now everything works as wished.

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 08, 2007, 02:49 AM
i may just add a column sorting feature which would do what you really want in a cleaner fashion.  the problem you encountered is because it's also scoring files based on their filename length which is also effecting the score.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: nontroppo on February 08, 2007, 12:15 PM
mouser: the clipboard functions are cool and extremely useful!  :-* As discussed in another thread, it would be neat if you could backup the previous clipboard content and replace it after launch?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 08, 2007, 12:22 PM
i remember your suggestion well and fully meant to implement that, but i see it isn't happening.  Will fix for next release.  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: ManeG on February 08, 2007, 12:29 PM
Hi Mouser,
I just love find and run robot. Please send me the link.
Regards from Rio,
Maneg
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on February 08, 2007, 07:47 PM
i have a problem in the latest alpha (2.00.46) where if i launch Farr, a Ctrl+C keystroke is sent. i realize this when Farr is launched with with Salamander in the foreground because in Salamander, Ctrl+C changes to C drive.. so i find myself having revert to the original drive after that.. :(

and this is only happens when i launch Farr for the 1st time and after some time of inaction but once Farr is active, successive launches does not display this behaviour.. any ideas, mouser?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 08, 2007, 07:53 PM
go to general options and uncheck "Auto copy selected text to clipboard" option..
perhaps i need to disable that by default..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on February 08, 2007, 08:04 PM
"Auto copy selected text to clipboard" is quite an useful option.. perhaps Farr could make a little check if any text is selected before auto-copying?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 08, 2007, 08:06 PM
I will try to do some investigation into better ways to do this..
Also another option is to have a way to specify windows/programs to exclude or include.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: Tony Dodd on February 08, 2007, 09:43 PM
I would like to help test this great program. Thank you!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: RedFox on February 09, 2007, 03:30 AM
I also want to test your FARR 2.0! The idea is great and I want to do anything to help with FARR development.
Please send me link to [email protected]

Thank you!

Red Fox.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: rojer_31 on February 09, 2007, 10:19 AM
Something which bugged me even in the original version was the option to enter certain strings that I could enter into the run menu and execute, don't work.

For eg, "startup.cpl" to run the corresponding control panel applet.

This is especially a big thing for me since I tend to use some alternate shell (blackbox is the current favourite) where the default run dialog is simply not available.

by the way, you've been doing a great job with this :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: dpierron on February 09, 2007, 10:33 AM
Cool, a new FARR ! I'd like to test it too, please :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on February 09, 2007, 12:24 PM
I, too, would like the link to ver 2.00.45
Thanks,
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 09, 2007, 12:32 PM
ps. no need to post when you want to try the alpha, just click the little balloon icon under my name on the left and send me a private message requesting the download.  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: perlguy on February 09, 2007, 01:24 PM


Let's see how many of your requests already exist :)
you can now hide column headers, status bar, and toolbar (just drag toolbar to full right and buttons are gone :)

Hmm... gained 1 new feature (hide headers), learned about 1 existing feature (shoving toobar off the window) and lost one old feature: I can get used to it, but I really liked having the "Edit Bar at Bottom" option.  I could park FARR at/near the bottom of the screen, and the edit bar would always be in the same place, and the window would grow/shrink above it.

Also maybe already covered here) the Results Display Style radio buttons are greyed out - so no small icons/large icons available - which I never use, just thought I'd mention it.


Check out the path completion and hopefully it does what you want.
-mouser


Pretty close - again, it's not exactly the same behaviour as the Run box but it's something I think I could get used to.

Being able to scroll through all files/folders is handy sometimes.  But that would mean having an option to enable Explicit Directory Searching to use a scrolling listbox for output instead a static display of the N item, ordered search results window you currently use.  The scrolling list would be alpha sorted, preferably (or make options available to change sort order).

Another useful option related to this would be separate max limits for normal searches vs. explicit directory searches?  For normal searches, 9 items has always been plenty - I don't think I've ever gone past the 3rd result item. But for file/directory browsing, I could see needing as many as 50 results visible - if scrolling all results is not an option.

And if you add back in the option of "Edit Box at Bottom", could you add an option to reverse the display of the search results - #1 at bottom?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 09, 2007, 01:36 PM
the idea to add a separate limit for dir completion results (presumably higher than for file searching) is not a bad idea at all.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: perlguy on February 09, 2007, 01:52 PM
Something else for a feature request: Edit Box and Display Results font selection. 

Is it by design that the new Edit Box font is different than the list results?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on February 09, 2007, 01:53 PM
+1 for separate limits. I used to use 9 results and had to change to 20 results after dir search came up. I think this option would solve that problem.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: JennyB on February 09, 2007, 03:36 PM


Being able to scroll through all files/folders is handy sometimes.  But that would mean having an option to enable Explicit Directory Searching to use a scrolling listbox for output instead a static display of the N item, ordered search results window you currently use.  The scrolling list would be alpha sorted, preferably (or make options available to change sort order).

Another useful option related to this would be separate max limits for normal searches vs. explicit directory searches?  For normal searches, 9 items has always been plenty - I don't think I've ever gone past the 3rd result item. But for file/directory browsing, I could see needing as many as 50 results visible - if scrolling all results is not an option.


That sounds like what I've been suggesting. When you do a tab completion FARR doesn't know yet which file you are looking for (maybe you don't either!) so the most helpful thing it can do is throw up a scrolling list of the folder contents, with the focus on the list. Right arrow drills down further if on a folder, left arrow backs out. Any character key echoes to the input box, shifts the focus there and narrows the results.

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: perlguy on February 09, 2007, 11:23 PM
That sounds like what I've been suggesting. When you do a tab completion FARR doesn't know yet which file you are looking for (maybe you don't either!) so the most helpful thing it can do is throw up a scrolling list of the folder contents, with the focus on the list. Right arrow drills down further if on a folder, left arrow backs out. Any character key echoes to the input box, shifts the focus there and narrows the results.

Yes, that's a much better explanation of the behavior I'd like to see.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 09, 2007, 11:34 PM
remember that the farr keyboard maniac answer for this is:
tab autocompletes with the top item in the list
alt+# autocompletes with other suggestions.

or you can down arrow to the suggested subdirector and then right arrow to autocomplet into it.
alt+left arror backs up a directory.

so i think this stuff already exists..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: perlguy on February 09, 2007, 11:48 PM
Agreed. Except for the scrolling list of all contents at current level. That's really the big thing that's missing.  Navigation is just retraining muscle memory from the Run box behavior.  But if there's a 100 folders, and you just want to browse through them, that's impossible to do unless you set max results to 100.

In addition to adding "max directory search results", how about adding a "max listbox rows" option. If your max results option is set high enough, and you have more than "max listbox rows" results, you get a scrolling listbox.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 09, 2007, 11:55 PM
yes, i thnk i can do this.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: tranglos on February 12, 2007, 09:01 AM
I was going to post a request regarding the UI, but having seen the latest version, I have no more requests :) I really needed a larger, bold font in the search entry box; it's perfect right now.

The only other thing I would mention is that there is quite a bit of flicker on painting windows, esp. the options dialog, since it's larger, but also perceptible in the main window. When using a skin, you can see the dialog being drawn without the skin, then redrawn properly. (Actually, it seems to flicker three times, but it is a little too fast to be sure.) The effect is diminished when disabling skins: the flicker still exists, but is less obvious. My system is not the newest, but it was spec'ed to run Doom3 at the high quality, and it did :) I only ever see similar flicker in some .Net apps, but that doesn't apply to FARR. Probably just some inefficiency in the skinning engine?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mmenfin on February 13, 2007, 02:28 PM
hi

i'm french, using a azerty keyboard, and i can't type the \ character in the search box (altgr+8 on azerty). it runs the "show shell context menu" on the 8th result... if i remove the corresponding ctrl+alt+# shortcut, it doesn't work at all. nothing. i can't type a full path in the search box.

 :huh:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2007, 07:37 PM
tanglos the flicker is kind of crazy when displaying the options form i know - ive tried to fix it but the skin engine (vclskin) has some oddities.

mmenfin - ok let's find a solution because that sounds unbearable!
i'm trying to think what the best solution is.. it sounds painful not having an easy \ key on your keyboard that sounds crazy.  when you say altgr+8 is supposed to be the \ character, what does altgr mean? is it just alt key or only RIGHT alt key? at the least i think i should be able to make it so you can disable alt+# key launching and use your alt+8 to put in a \.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on February 14, 2007, 04:18 AM
Hi mouser,

i have an azerty keyboard but use it as a qwerty (which is much better for programming)
the alt gr (i think it means alternate graving) is the one on the right

Cheers !
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 14, 2007, 04:22 AM
ah ok, well that makes life easier and i will try to see if i cant at least make it so you can still use rightalt+# to generate such keys, while left alt+# launches them.

ps.
if anyone is wondering why its been a week since the last farr update it's because im working every day on the new plugin system which will be used in farr and my other programs as well :)  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mmenfin on February 14, 2007, 01:22 PM
yes, the altgr is the right alt key on azerty, it is used to type some special characters. the \ is the third character on the 8 key, first is _ , second is 8 (shift+8).  :mad:

thanks if you can change something  ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on February 16, 2007, 03:49 PM
Some issues (using latest Alpha on XP Home)

1. Focus. Even with "Always maintain focus" on, focus sometimes shifts to another window, which can be pretty annoying. I can't seem to find any pattern when or how this happens, but it does from time to time. Note that I have window focus follow the mouse pointer, the window under the pointer is raised and focused after 500ms (or thereabout....), but I didn't have this problem with the latest full release.

2. Tooltip stays on top when exiting FARR. This occurs when the pointer hovers over any result, and I exit the FARR window with Esc. See screenshot
[attachimg=#1][/attachimg]

3. List results all displayed in lowercase. This one's a bit weird, when previously launched results (i.e. based on date and/or score) are launched from the list without typing anything, just using the numpad keys, upon next launch of FARR the result is all in lowercase... Look at the screenshot:
[attach=#2][/attach]
As you can see only two results contain uppercase letters, and these are the newest entries in the list, and hasn't been launched by pressing the corresponding number key. I'm sure that after I launch it with the number keys, it'll be displayed in lowercase letters.

This is not a big problem, but it's weird and makes reading the result list slightly more difficult.


Hope this helps. I'll be happy to elaborate on any of these issues if needed. I might stop by IRC later tonight, too, btw.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: tranglos on February 16, 2007, 04:32 PM
2. Tooltip stays on top when exiting FARR. This occurs when the pointer hovers over any result, and I exit the FARR window with Esc.

It may not be a FARR issue. On XP SP2, I see this happen all the time with other programs, notably Firefox. If there is a bug, it could be in Microsoft's window manager, since a tooltip window should not outlive the application window.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on February 16, 2007, 04:37 PM
ah, ok, that could be right. I haven't seen this in other applications since switching to xp recently, though.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 16, 2007, 09:59 PM
TucknDar:  All your comments i agree with, and will be fixing.  I've been working on my plugin system for last couple of weeks and i've finally got it working (at least the basics) so as soon as i wrap that up ill get back to ironing out all these issues and then we can have something nice :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on February 17, 2007, 02:17 AM
Excellent, mouser!

Looking much forward to the plugin system  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: dclagoa on February 20, 2007, 04:18 AM
Hi all,
since last week i have also noticed the "bug" with the tooltips as TucknDar pointed out, don't know if as tranglos said is a winxp issue, but i haven't noticed the tooltip in any other application as far as I remember. I also don't know if the farr main window is created/destroyed from the tray or it's simply hidden/showed, if it is destroyed, definitely is a winxp bug, if it is only hidden, maybe it could be a farr bug.

I'm also wainting eagerly for the plugin system. It would be cool a plugin to interact with foobar2000. :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on February 20, 2007, 05:10 AM
+1 for the tooltip bug (not that's a big issue)

I also have another bug to report. If you search for a file and use the right-click menu to launch it, farr stays up. The problem is that it can get on the background, and pressing the hotkey won't bring it forward. So, i just ended up thinking that farr became unresponsive when what really happened was that it was the last window in the Z-order and the hotkey wouldn't make it come up.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.45 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2007, 05:21 AM
keep the bug reports coming - it's not that i'm not listening it's that im working every day on plugin system and some new features that i think are very cool.

i finally added ability to filter and score within an alias.  so if you have an alias group list of 20 programs you can now type the alias name followed by some more words to filter and score from within your list.  extrememely useful if you have big aliases.

i also added a feature Joto calls search templates, which basically lets you make regular expression shorthands for more complicated searches:

This can be very useful when you have certain search strings that you reuse often.

For example, let's say you often do a searches like this :

+audio .mp3 Dylan
+audio .mp3 Blondie
+audio .mp3 Bratmobile

You can now create an alias which makes this easier.  Just create a new alias, give it any name you want, and choose a regular expression pattern, like

^msearch (.*)

And now the important part.  for the results, put a single entry as follows:

dosearch +audio .mp3 $$1

Now when this pattern is matched by the user typing something like:

msearch Dylan

Then FARR will behave as if the user had typed:

+audio .mp3 Dylan
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2007, 11:55 AM
I have just uploaded Version 2.00.50 to the same location.

This is a MAJOR new version which introduced plugins and a bunch of new improvements.

HOWEVER: it is a super early release - there are bound to be issues, and i havent fixed any of the bugs mentioned before (at least not on purpose), so only install if you like to experiment.  Having said that, i think there are some great new things in it.

There is only one included plugin: FarrFox.  It will be enabled by default but you can disable it if you don't like it.  It lets you search your firefox bookmarks by typing ff KEYWORDS.

One of the other improvements is that now all alias lists can now be searched and filtered and scored.  If you don't know what this means then it won't matter to you, but it can be very helpful if you use aliases like menus because now you can filter and score these menus if you want.

Please see the help file for more info!

---

Note that this FarrFox plugin is only a simple example of what plugins can do - I will be releasing a plugin sdk soon for people who want to try writing a plugin - and i'll have some prizes too :)  Plugins can be written in anything that can create a DLL file, though my sample code is plain c/c++.

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on February 20, 2007, 01:41 PM
Awesome! Thanks for working on this new release. Unfortunately, the FarrFox plugin isn't working for me. I'm running Firefox 2 if that has anything to do with the plugin not working. The plugin is detected by FARR and the "Test the Callback Function" button returns "Hello from Plugin!" but typing the alias for the plugin always returns 0 results and isn't affected by the "Stop search on exact alias match" option.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2007, 01:50 PM
i must admit i have ff 1.5, and winxp and haven't tested it on other stuff.  I should try it on ff 2.
what operating system do you have by the way?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on February 20, 2007, 01:52 PM
I'm also running on winxp
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: dclagoa on February 20, 2007, 02:48 PM
The firefox plugin works for me with WinXP and Firefox 2.0
Can't wait for the SDK :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2007, 02:58 PM
maybe teegee moved his bookmarks somewhere out of the default location:
\\Documents and Settings\\USERNAME\\Application Data\\Mozilla\\Firefox\\Profiles\.....\bookmarks.html?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on February 20, 2007, 06:22 PM
My bookmarks are at this location:
\\documents and settings\USERNAME\application data\mozilla\firefox\PROFILENAME.default\bookmarks.html

I don't seem to have a "Profiles" folder
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: nontroppo on February 20, 2007, 07:07 PM
mouser:  :-* great work!!! :beer:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mja on February 20, 2007, 11:03 PM
Great work mouser - FarrFox plug-in is working for me on WinXP and FireFox 2.0.0.1
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2007, 11:09 PM
ok teegee you seem to have an unusual firefox setup, however not to fret! this just gives me a chance to try out my new Advanced Configuration system and ill add a way that user can specify custom location of their bookmark files.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on February 20, 2007, 11:12 PM
Mouse, few quick notes...
- Just installed ..50 and it is truly a gem. It has the most powerful feature I have ever seen in this category of software. I use key modifiers, dir searches (specific and no specific), negating search strings, and now I see you added alias group searches. This is absolutely a dream come true.

- I would like to suggest that you freeze new features for now. Let's focus on stability, performance, and bug issues so you can get an public release out.

- looking forward for the sdk. I would like to develop a plug-in to use to display process and offer the ability to manage them e.g. kill, switch.

- I use this release with ffox2 and bookmarks work just fine.

Thank you for this tremendous work.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2007, 12:27 AM
- I would like to suggest that you freeze new features for now. Let's focus on stability, performance, and bug issues so you can get an public release out.

Agreed.
Indexing is the one other major feature option that is still on my todo list but let's leave that for another milestone.

For now it's time to focus on stability/performance/bugfixes.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: beethoven on February 21, 2007, 12:44 AM
Mouser, I have been following this thread with some interest but given the constant changes and improvements usually just look at the headlines. I am just wondering if you have any rough idea when you may come up with a new "final" release.
I am using 1.13.02 and while I am happy to use it, I am always to keen on an improved version. However, I am not a beta or alpha tester, so I rather wait for the bugs to be eliminated by others.  I appreciate that this is what has been happening here over the last few months but it appears a bit that everyone is so excited about new features and suggestions that FARR is becoming a constantly changing and improved beast, though never any closer to a final release for the timid :huh:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2007, 12:52 AM
i think everyone is agreed now that there should be a feature freeze, which basically means my efforts now will be going into stability and bugfixing, so we should have a public release at the very very latest march 7.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2007, 03:52 AM
if anyone is having problems like teegee and wants to try a new version of the FarrFox plugin:

https://www.donationcoder.com/Beta/FarrFox.dll
[note: if you downloaded before i posted this addendum and get an error about the config file for FarrFox being unsupported, please redownload - small bug]

download that and replace your existing FarrFox.dll in the find+run robot plugins/farrfox directory.

It now searches recursively from Mozilla/Firefox directory so shouldnt matter if you have Profiles subdir.  It also lets you specify custom file location for your FireFox bookmarks (go to advanced config and specify the full path to your bookmarks.html file).


Notice: I will be replacing FarrFox with FarrMarks soon, giving it the ability to search firefox and opera, and ie bookmarks.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on February 21, 2007, 10:05 AM
FarrFox works for me now, thanks mouser!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on February 21, 2007, 12:38 PM
Notice: I will be replacing FarrFox with FarrMarks soon, giving it the ability to search firefox and opera, and ie bookmarks.
Excellent! I use Opera and currently I only need to export the bookmarks to html and change appropriate path setting in FarrFox to get it to search my Opera bookmarks :) But native Opera support would certainly be better !!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on February 21, 2007, 10:02 PM
good work with the plugins.. :up: however, i have a problem with duplicate results, as can be seen in the screenshot..

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2007, 10:14 PM
ok im on it.  there are a few more bugs i found in farr that i introduced with latest alias changes so i think there will be an update tomorrow.

lanux do you have multiple bookmark files in different profiles? i'll add a duplicate remover im just curious as to why there are so many duplicates.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on February 21, 2007, 10:19 PM
i have only one profile right now.. but since you mentioned, i think since v2, firefox has implemented auto-backups of the bookmarks.html file. a quick check revealed this sub-folder, "bookmarkbackups" in the profile's folder.. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2007, 10:48 PM
sub-folder, "bookmarkbackups" in the profile's folder
great - i'll add code to not go in there :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: pomj on February 22, 2007, 03:45 AM
Great release as always mouser. This program is astounding.

I have one wish though (hopefully not too difficult to code), It would be *very* convenient if you had an option to make farr complete from your alias list.

As it is now if I have an alias like "editor" it is not until I have typed the last 'r' in the alias name that farr is recognising the alias. If it was incorporated in the normal autocomplete (and I used it alot) it would popup after I had typed the first or second character. (hope you get what I mean)

cheers /michael
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: pomj on February 22, 2007, 03:47 AM
And *please* an OPERA plugin.... That would be heaven    :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2007, 04:10 AM
I have one wish though (hopefully not too difficult to code), It would be *very* convenient if you had an option to make farr complete from your alias list.
As it is now if I have an alias like "editor" it is not until I have typed the last 'r' in the alias name that farr is recognising the alias. If it was incorporated in the normal autocomplete (and I used it alot) it would popup after I had typed the first or second character. (hope you get what I mean)

this is one of the bugs i added in the last release - im working on fixing it now and should have a release today with the fix.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on February 22, 2007, 08:01 AM
what would happen if you have multiple aliases sharing same 3 to 4 letters. What would FARR do? I've seen TARR implement in such a way that by hitting tab key it will cycle you though all aliases sharing same letters you typed. Not sure how FARR would do it though.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on February 22, 2007, 09:29 AM
Mouse,
can you please help me understand FARR behavior here...

I created an alias 'sys' defined as follows...


LOGOFF $$1 secs | c:\windows\system32\shutdown.exe -i -l -t $$1
----------------------------------------
REBOOT $$1 secs | c:\windows\system32\shutdown.exe -r -f -t $$1
----------------------------------------
SHUTDOWN $$1 secs | c:\windows\system32\shutdown.exe -s -f -t $$1
----------------------------------------
above INTERACTIVE | c:\windows\system32\shutdown.exe -i
----------------------------------------
ABORT above | c:\windows\system32\shutdown.exe -a

Then I wanted to use the new alias search feature (note that this alias accepts an arguments i.e. number of seconds. These are the scenarios [/li][/list]

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My questions are ...
1- Does does FARR combine both alias search and accepting arguments if both exist?
2- Why did not typing 'sys shutdown' behave just like the others did?

Thank you
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2007, 10:30 AM
Version 2.00.54 is now up at same url, it's a bugfix for the last version, which broke some of the alias functionality.

ps.: alias search filtering/scoring does *not* work with regular expression aliases; however i did think of a way to add it if people really want it, though it's a bit complicated because typing extra stuff can invalidate the regex or else get captured in it.  alias filtering/scoring is meant more for non-regular expression aliases.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.50 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 20, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2007, 10:31 AM
what would happen if you have multiple aliases sharing same 3 to 4 letters

try it on v2.00.54 - it will now partially match against all aliases and show you hints for all of the aliases (but not activate their contents).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2007, 10:33 AM
Note: The last few releases of FARR seem to "wake-up" noticably slower than previous releases for me; This will be fixed before final release.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: scorcho on February 22, 2007, 10:39 AM
is there any chance, or a way (if i'm dumb) of configuring FARR's pop-up dialog to respond to control+control as the the hotkey? i've used this extensively whilst i had google desktop installed, and it's instinctive for me.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2007, 10:42 AM
scorcho,

We had debates about this.. In the end i decided that the best solution for such needs was to write a super tiny super efficient helper tool that lets you use combo keys like double-tap control or double-tap right shift, etc., to trigger any other hotkeys on your system.  It's called "TapTap Hotkey Extender" and it's perfect for those who want to trigger FARR with such special combos, or trigger any other function on their computer:

https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/TapTap/index.html
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: usfree74 on February 22, 2007, 02:31 PM
Can I get a download link?

Thanks
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: mja on February 22, 2007, 04:23 PM
Just noticed one thing with 2.00.54 with respect to ordering of aliases within the alias groups. In the Alias/Group tab my aliases appear in the following order:

Google $$1 |http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=$$1
GoogleGroups $$1 |http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=$$1&sa=N&tab=wg
Google Desktop $$1 | http://127.0.0.1:4664/search&s=...............
Google Local $$1 | http://local.google.com/local?s...........
GoogleNews $$1 |http://news.google.com/news?q=$$1

In the FARR launch window when I type the alias for the group they appear in the following order:
1 - GoogleNews
2 - Google
3 - GoogleGroups
4 - Google Local
5 - Google Desktop

Is this expected behaviour? In the previous versions they always appeared in the order that they were entered in the options.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: hornsts on February 22, 2007, 04:51 PM
The new improvments are really great.  :Thmbsup:

I've tested the new "Search Template"-feature in v2.00.54 and find it extremly useful. But there is one point, where I'm not sure, if this is caused by a missing parameter, by design, incomplete implementation or a bug.
I used the example (dosearch +audio .mp3 $$1) for my music collection. When I do a normal search with "+audio .mp3 $$1", FARR shows the results until result limit. When I use the search template, then all results are shown without limitation.

Is there a modifier like +ALL or -ALL override/force result limits?
If there is none, wouldn't it make sense to have one instead of using context menu "search for all matches"?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2007, 07:29 PM
mja - thanks for pointing that out! i will change it so that it uses default ordering UNLESS you type exta words to filter+score.



Is there a modifier like +ALL or -ALL override/force result limits?
If there is none, wouldn't it make sense to have one instead of using context menu "search for all matches"?

very good idea, adding to my todo list.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.54 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 22, 2007
Post by: scorcho on February 22, 2007, 07:42 PM
scorcho,

We had debates about this.. In the end i decided that the best solution for such needs was to write a super tiny super efficient helper tool that lets you use combo keys like double-tap control or double-tap right shift, etc., to trigger any other hotkeys on your system.  It's called "TapTap Hotkey Extender" and it's perfect for those who want to trigger FARR with such special combos, or trigger any other function on their computer:

https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/TapTap/index.html
thanks mouser! i discovered the utility before reading your response, and it's been working great!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.55 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 23, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on February 23, 2007, 09:37 AM
this just keep getting better and better. I really do not remember having so much fun beta testing an app like this on.

Nothing major, but I checked out ver55 and I see that you fixed the ordering of results to match the alias definition. Thank you for that.

I also see that you now added these hints for content that appear in the name column and count in  'location'. Wouldn't it be more helpful if you display the hints the other way around. The location column is normally wider and therefore can display more content than the name.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.55 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 23, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on February 23, 2007, 10:34 AM
Mouser,
I was able to get the alias action kwords to work 2 releases ago but not any more. This is what I'm doing...
1- group alias name: kill
2- regexp: blank (left it empty)
3- results: kill $$1 | c:\program files\FindAndRunRobot\Scripts\kill.exe "$$1"
4- typing '+kill notepad' does not initiate any search.

The help topic indicated the alias name should appear with '+' sign. I did that and FARR searched for notepad but it did not execute the kill.exe with file name as argument. Instead, it simply launched notepad.

What am I missing?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.55 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 23, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 23, 2007, 10:53 AM
what you are saying *should* work, but it may be the placement of kill at the front that is confusing it.
if you do: "notepad +kill" does it work as expected?
if so i'll try to fix the problem with it not working on first word.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.55 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 23, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on February 23, 2007, 11:30 AM
mouser, sorry I've been out of the loop for the past 6 weeks, so this is my first update since early January. The new alpha has a nice clean look, except that FWIW, I do not like Fade-in, and disabled it immediately. (To me, Fade-in works for an informational popup, but as a response to my urgent summons, it is just a bad excuse for tardiness! :) Of course YMMV.)

One issue: when "check full path for multi-word even without \" is enabled, and there are multiple words in the search input field, the first word seems to be ignored. The fact that nobody has spotted this may indicate that this is not a very popular option, but I appreciate it!!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.55 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 23, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on February 23, 2007, 12:05 PM
It does not work either way '+kill notepad' or 'notepad +kill'.
Two releases ago, I used this feature and it worked just fine. I created an alias 'vi' with results pointing to 3 different file editors followed by $$1. When I typed '+vi application.log' I saw the 3 editors and when clicking on any, FARR showed 'file_editor.exe application.log' as expected.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mouser on February 25, 2007, 07:21 AM
cnewtonne, can you try the latest (2.00.56) and see if it fixes yuor problems and the dir search problems?

jdmarch - excellent work finding that, i'll have it fixed this week.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: hornsts on February 25, 2007, 07:36 AM
I normally use Alias Action Keywords like cnewtonne at the beginning.
In 2.00.56 Alias Action Keywords only work, when used at the end.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: pomj on February 27, 2007, 01:32 AM
hmmm. I think the CTRL+Enter way of launching multiple programs is broken again or is it just my system?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: hornsts on February 27, 2007, 03:13 AM
Regarding Alias Action Keywords I have to add something.
In 2.00.56 Alias Action Keywords only work, when used at the end and when the path doesn't end with a backslash (e.g. C:\Test or C:\test\test.txt). Otherwise the alias is ignored.

BTW:
To avoid interference (I haven't tested this to much, but I believe it could be a problem) with alias also used in file- or foldernames, I currently use < as a prefix for my aliases. I've also tried other "forbidden" characters for file- and foldernames, but \, : or / are used in a path, * is used by FARR and ? or | didnt't work as desired. So is there a drawback for < or >?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: wreckedcarzz on February 27, 2007, 05:17 PM
Hey mouser jw if I could get a link to the new ver beta.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on February 28, 2007, 03:53 AM
Considering the \ azerty issue, I used microsoft keyboard layout creator to remap the key to §. I remove some dead keys too to make the keyboard be more programmer friendly. This make working with FARR nicer.
May be its too last for queries, but could it be possible to have farr complete the path to target when a shortcut is a link to a directory ?

Emmanuel
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on February 28, 2007, 04:43 AM
When I change the scoring of a result to a number with a . like 100.0 or 200.0 (I test this on launch history and aliases groups ) the scoring is set to 0. Only integers works : 100 or 200 is ok.
I did not really understand how aliases are supposed to work. Should I define a group beginning with a + ? I have the v2.00.55 of FARR and may be it is broken. I did try to get a new version from my old link but it is still the 2.0.55. Do I need to ask you mouser for each new version ?

Thanks.

Emmanuel
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: hornsts on February 28, 2007, 10:59 AM
I can (again) confirm, that editing of an alias results in the loss of the score, when you don't change the score to a value witout a period.
If you run the installer it says it is 2.00.55, but after install you see 2.00.56 in the about box.
Don't use a + at the beginning of a group name, cause + has a special meaning in searches. Maybe you have to check your RegEx, when alias is not working. Just look a the definition of the default aliases.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: jake78 on February 28, 2007, 04:47 PM
FARR won't center the main window on the screen, it used to work before 2.00.54. I'm now using 2.00.56.
Anyone that has the same problem?

// Jacob
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 01, 2007, 06:53 AM
I'll fix the problem with scores setting to 0.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: justice on March 02, 2007, 07:29 AM
Are you looking into making FARR more compatible with Vista:

Thanks for your great work. It's very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 02, 2007, 07:44 AM
Thanks for the report, sounds like i have to do some Vista compatible improvements. I think i can solve these easily by just using the Documents and Settings location for config file by default instead of application directory, which i do now, which is what is presumably causing the issues.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: justice on March 02, 2007, 07:50 AM
I did notice WinRar not being allowed to extract into Program Files anymore so you might be right. Thanks again.  :Thmbsup: I'll add a screenshot to show you the layout issues.
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mja on March 02, 2007, 10:06 AM
justice - thanks for pointing these issues out. I just installed FARR on my Vista PC at home and noticed this same list of issues. I manually edited the config file and after that changes in the options dialog started getting saved like normal.

Are you looking into making FARR more compatible with Vista:

  • FARR seems to write out settings (to itself?) when the app is closed. This does not work in VISTA unless the app is run as administrator. Windows Defender will not start apps that require administrator privs on startup -> have to start FARR manually -- then UAC prompt appears. 
  • Because you can/t know in advance when you're going to change FARR options, you'll always run it in admin privs mode
  • Because of the prompt and increased security it's hard to instantly use it, so it takes away the most positive thing about FARR -- speed  and ease of usage.
  • tray Icon does not blend in with transparency
  • status bar of FARR is cut off at 2/3th height
Thanks for your great work. It's very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on March 03, 2007, 10:53 AM
Mouser... I think another bug. I don't use aliases that much (yet), and only updated to 2.00.56 last week after a month without updates, so I can't tell you when this bug emerged.

I start my aliases with a period "." and they always used to work fine.

But just now I typed:
 .w
intending to invoke my alias
 .weather
instead FARR brought up the same choices as happens if I just type
 w

Looking forward to a fix, also the fix for FARR's ignoring the first word of a multi-word entry as I reported last week.

Thank you!!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: poberjef on March 04, 2007, 04:10 PM
I too would really love to know that secret URL and beta test the new version...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 05, 2007, 09:56 AM
mouser,
what's cooking? I think you were planing for at least an RC this week. Right?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on March 05, 2007, 03:14 PM
perhaps mouser is having some unexpected adventures in VistaLand....
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: Josh on March 05, 2007, 05:42 PM
I think mouser forgot about farr and is now working on SSC. Just my guess. This was supposed to be in public beta 2 weeks ago :(
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 06, 2007, 06:25 AM
Sorry guys, I've been building a massive wall-to-wall bookcase and moving at the same time, and it's sapping alllllllll my time this last two weeks.  Good news is that things will be back to pretty much normal at the end of this week  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on March 06, 2007, 09:43 AM
Just 2 weeks to do all that??? It took me 3 months to move across the street!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: Estazor on March 07, 2007, 10:36 AM
Hmm care to give a guy a link to this new version if it's still not shown off to the public?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: Estazor on March 07, 2007, 11:23 AM
Wow this is some great stuff here. I'm gonna be testing this like crazy now and hopefully give you some good feedback. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: pwood22_fr on March 08, 2007, 12:23 AM
Thanks in advance for the beta Mouser. Keep up the great work.
pwood22  at gmail dot com
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: genakely on March 08, 2007, 07:10 AM
I tried it two weeks ago and love it.
And now, i want to beta test the next release with your benediction !!!

So can u give me the download link
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 08, 2007, 07:18 AM
ok guys, please message me directly for the betas rather than posting.
ps. new version will be out any day now.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: stevelasvegas on March 09, 2007, 01:03 AM
Sounds Great! Please send me link. Thanks
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: boundary on March 09, 2007, 01:10 PM
How do I download Find & Run Robot? for XP? I just read about it my Windows Secrets Newsletter.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.56 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - February 25, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 09, 2007, 01:15 PM
Version 1.x of FARR can be downloaded from its web page here: https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/findrun/index.html

Anyone who wants to try version 2.x (major new release) should message me through the forum by clicking the little balloon icon under my name and asking me for the v2 alpha download.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.58 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 13, 2007, 10:23 AM
Alpha Version 2.00.58 is now uploaded to same address as previous alphas.  As always if you need a download link send me a private message via the forum or email.

Mostly bug fixes as you can see from the version history.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.58 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 13, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 13, 2007, 02:09 PM
As always, top notch work. I want to thank you for these magic touches of yours.

I welcome pretty much all these enhancements and bug fixes. I would like to pose these 2 questions please ...

- The alias keyword modified '+' does not work if it appears at beginning but works fine if at the end. That is, it launches the files immediately vs. providing it as an argument to alias results. I can live with it but was not sure if this is  your intended behavior.

- You had mentioned there will be some performance enhancements in one your posts but did not see any in the change list. What is the status on this issue?

For everything else, a big thank you.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.58 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 13, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on March 13, 2007, 02:36 PM
Thank you, mouser! Wonderful program, but I think still some issues...

Simple aliases are still not working as expected. When I type the period, FARR shows my aliases which begin with a period, but as soon as I type the next character (e.g. "w" for the ".weather" alias), no aliases are displayed. OTOH if I type "..w" it finds alias ".weather". Is this a change (maybe related to regex support) or a bug, or the way it always was? :-\
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.58 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 13, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on March 13, 2007, 02:50 PM
This fix is listed but the bug actually seems unchanged:
  "Fixed bug where first word was being ignored when search in a directory. "

(note that this bug is only relevant to when the "check full path for search words" option is checked.)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.58 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 13, 2007, 03:00 PM
cnewtonne the action alias thing is written up on a little card in front of me, i havent forgotten it, it's next.

jdmarch, checking your issues now, i may have turned off the "check full path" option and thought i fixed it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.58 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 13, 2007, 09:00 PM
jdmarch and cnewtonne, can you try v 2.00.59 and see if it solves your issues?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on March 13, 2007, 10:24 PM
Looks shipshape to me, mouser, thanks!!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: JennyB on March 14, 2007, 02:55 AM
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on March 14, 2007, 04:50 AM
When I type fast, and hit enter, find and run does not have time to search but still launch the first result. Could it be possible to not launch the first result if it does not match the query ? Different people may have different opinions. May be, I should not type that fast, without looking for the result ?


Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on March 14, 2007, 05:05 AM
Does changing these settings make any difference?
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 14, 2007, 06:44 AM
Could it be possible to not launch the first result if it does not match the query ?

FARR should never be showing results that don't match the query, can you give an example?
You also might try disabling those options that TucknDar posted to change behavior of what happens when you hit enter.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: Josh on March 14, 2007, 06:52 AM
I have actually experienced what ecaradec is mentioning. If you type quickly, farr sometimes cannot catch up and launches whatever is in the first result slot. That is, the results are not updated quick enough to match up with the desired search.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 14, 2007, 06:55 AM
The '+' alias modifier works fine now when used at the beginning of a line. Issue resolved. thanks
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 14, 2007, 06:55 AM
Josh+ecaradec, ok let me see if i can add some code to make sure that it won't launch until it has refiltered and displayed something based on your latest typing. Perhaps i can just have it wait an extra few milliseconds in this case and then launch the result based on what you type.

JennyB, that's quite bizzarre.. does it happen all over in lots of directories??
It even gave the phantom entry a unique date.. STRANGE! I'm having trouble reproducing it..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: hornsts on March 14, 2007, 02:51 PM
Hi Mouser,

I observed the same as JennyB.

JennyB, that's quite bizzarre.. does it happen all over in lots of directories??
It even gave the phantom entry a unique date.. STRANGE! I'm having trouble reproducing it..

It took some time to find it, but I realized, that it has something to do with launch history. If launch history contains a pure folder e.g. "C:\backup\", then the search "c:\back" shows the results:
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Disabling or deleting the entry in launch history returns result to normal behavior.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 14, 2007, 03:22 PM
thanks for discovering that, i was having a lot of trouble reproducing it -- you guys are so incredibly helpful  :-*  :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: JennyB on March 14, 2007, 03:59 PM

It took some time to find it, but I realized, that it has something to do with launch history. If launch history contains a pure folder e.g. "C:\backup\", then the search "c:\back" shows the results:

Disabling or deleting the entry in launch history returns result to normal behavior.

That's it!  I'm guessing, Mouser, that you have a routine that ignores the last character of an entry in the launch history if it's a \, and somehow it's getting called twice.

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 14, 2007, 04:13 PM
very good guess JennyB.. actually what happened is this -- old code stripped off the \ at the end.
then in order to fix another feature where path completion was sometimes appearing in lowercase, i wrote a function that automatically determined the canonical mixed case path of any given path.  problem is this function gets rid of the \ at the end, so indeed the old code was still stripping off the last character, leading to the behavior seen.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 14, 2007, 05:13 PM
I've uploaded a new version to try to fix these issues:
Version 2.00.60 - March 14, 2007 - ALPHA PREVIEW RELEASE
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: Triton on March 14, 2007, 05:25 PM
mouser pm
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: hornsts on March 14, 2007, 07:55 PM
Thanks for the +sall modifier! It's great. :Thmbsup:
Seems that the last launch history bug (last char stripped off) is gone.  :)
But there is an other bug relating to launch history and +\-modifier. While e.g.  c:\windows\notepad.exe is in lauch history, upon search "+\ note" the following result is shown:
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Same result with "note +\".
I wasn't able to achieve this the other way around with +.-modifier and getting folder as results. So it is maybe purely related to the handling of folder.
While checking this and playing around with names, I created a folder called "notes.exe". As a result for the search "notes +\", FARR shows "notes" and strips off the ".exe" as it thinks it is an extension (but not showing exe in extension column ;)) But internally FARR knows the right folder name:
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Same applies to a folder called notes.exe.exe, where result shows notes.exe and last .exe is stripped off too.
Sure. A foldername like notes.exe seems strange, but same applies to names like e.g. Backup_V1.1, which IMHO aren't uncommon.  :(
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 15, 2007, 10:13 AM
Mouser...
it is me again, my issue was resolved with 59 but got broken altogether with 60. Now, the '+' alias modifier does not work at all, not at the beginning of line or elsewhere. If I may ask that you take a look please.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 15, 2007, 04:09 PM
Execuse me mouser...
ignore my previous post. I reinstalled the latest ...60 and it works fine. My fault.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 15, 2007, 10:45 PM
what is the +sall modifier! ?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.60 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: hornsts on March 16, 2007, 05:18 AM
+sall ignores "max. entries in result list" limit, which is set in "options->interface".
It's perfect when you normally want FARR to display only 9 results (as this is the maximum for direct launch via e.g. F#), but sometimes, e.g. when searching a specific .doc, to display all results.

An explanation, which I still cannot find is what "max. entries to display in extended result list" means?  :-\
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So mouser can bring us some enlightment.  ;)

BTW:
- virtual launch string COPYCLIP prefixes the clipboardtext with "ip":
e.g. executed: copyclip Hello world -> in clipboard:  ip Hello world

-regular expression aliases as search templates with DOSEARCH still ignores result list limits

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 16, 2007, 06:43 AM
the extended results list is in answer to a request earlier.  it's used when you are specifying an explicit directory,
e.g. if you type "C:\Windows\System\"

thanks for copyclip bug report, checking it now.

i'm not sure what the dosearch bug report is referring to, can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: JennyB on March 16, 2007, 11:48 AM
the extended results list is in answer to a request earlier.  it's used when you are specifying an explicit directory,
e.g. if you type "C:\Windows\System\"

Hmm.. my thought in requesting that was that displaying a full listing should actually be faster than doing a search. 

Displaying a folder of 34 files in FARR by (for example) right arrow - 18 seconds
Double-clicking on the same entry to launch DOpus - under 3 seconds
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: snowpalmer on March 16, 2007, 03:01 PM
Hey, i'd like to try this out :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: Darwin on March 16, 2007, 03:59 PM
Hi snowpalmer - welcome to Donationcoder. To try out the alpha release of FARR, click on the offline message icon to send Mouser a request for the download link:

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: pwood22_fr on March 18, 2007, 03:59 AM
Mouser,
Could you resend the dload link ?
PC crashed and i lost your Email...
Thx in advance
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on March 18, 2007, 04:10 AM
pwood22_fr: look at the post above yours for how to get a download link
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 18, 2007, 07:23 AM
as darwin points out in his picture, anyone can have the download link, just click the little "balloon" looking icon under my name and send me a personal message via the forum (or via email at [email protected]), rather than posting on this thread plz :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: masu on March 18, 2007, 03:35 PM
Suggestion:

enter "alias" or something like that, should list up all available alias commands
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 18, 2007, 04:12 PM
agroups does that.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: masu on March 18, 2007, 04:19 PM
perfect thanks  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 18, 2007, 04:21 PM
you could ask me to add a feature to show the regex pattern for each in the righthand column when you do agroups.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: masu on March 19, 2007, 06:08 AM
BTW
The new version works great !!  :Thmbsup: :-*
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on March 21, 2007, 05:19 AM
FARR can't find items in when it is in a folder that contain a folder of the same name. If I am in c:\devel and there is a c:\devel\devel\, I won't be able to see and select anything.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on March 21, 2007, 09:16 AM
Mouser,
I do not know if it is only me or it is for real. I'm noticing that FARR is now slower than what it used to be before in the earlier releases of this beta. I can characterize it as follows...

- FARR skipping letters as you type fast.
- FARR taking 3-5 seconds to show results specially when you do alias search. I noticed that the larger your alias collections the slower it gets.

It would be nice if others confirm or dispute these findings. It is just this is so critical of a behavior I thought I should bring it to the foreground now.

Thanks
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: lopeze73 on March 21, 2007, 09:34 AM
I'd like to try the beta
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on March 21, 2007, 11:04 AM
Bug report on v2.00.60 (60??):
On a clear editbox (history results), the [launch first result on pressing Enter] option isn't working.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 21, 2007, 09:08 PM
FARR can't find items in when it is in a folder that contain a folder of the same name. If I am in c:\devel and there is a c:\devel\devel\, I won't be able to see and select anything.

i'm having a hard time reproducing this -- it seems to work ok and as expected for me.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on March 22, 2007, 03:46 AM
FARR can't find items in when it is in a folder that contain a folder of the same name. If I am in c:\devel and there is a c:\devel\devel\, I won't be able to see and select anything.

i'm having a hard time reproducing this -- it seems to work ok and as expected for me.
Yes, i also can't reproduce.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on March 22, 2007, 07:49 AM
It doesn't occur anymore!!! I was able to repro it everytime yesterday. I must have missed something. Sorry.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: tmpusr on March 22, 2007, 08:54 AM
Text is what we read. It's our interface to data. Not the frame. Not the colors. So skins are secondary, fonts are primary. People with bad eyesight have a hard time using FARR and people with a sense of typography are in constant pain. Solution: customizable fonts.

32-128 pixel icons.

The skins don't support white on black color themes. Try it and you'll see the problems.

(http://stashbox.org/15321/FARR%20fonts.png)

On the left is what I'd like to see.

The fonts are Share and Audimat

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2006/10/12/fresh-free-fonts-audimat-share/
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 22, 2007, 09:20 AM
customizable fonts are on my todo list.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: tmpusr on March 22, 2007, 09:33 AM
customizable fonts are on my todo list.


Great. Hope the theme color issue is there too.

(http://stashbox.org/15324/FARR%20Dialog%20Display%20Theme.png)

(http://stashbox.org/15325/FARR%20Dialog%20Display%20Classic.png)

(http://stashbox.org/15326/FARR%20Dialog%20Check%20Boxes.png)

Left is preferable. Just standard UI elements.

The dialog font is Meta Medium substituted by tweaking the Registry. It would be great if you didn't hard code fonts and just used the system fonts, like Microsoft does - because the user knows best.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: tmpusr on March 22, 2007, 10:28 AM
Notice the truncated status bar.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 22, 2007, 10:36 AM
It would be great if you didn't hard code fonts and just used the system fonts
That's the way the program operated until recently -- but i had to modify that to deal with people who had large fonts enabled to handle a problem where the fonts were too big for the dialogs. I guess you also have large fonts enabled on your system?

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: tmpusr on March 22, 2007, 01:45 PM
It would be great if you didn't hard code fonts and just used the system fonts
That's the way the program operated until recently -- but i had to modify that to deal with people who had large fonts enabled to handle a problem where the fonts were too big for the dialogs. I guess you also have large fonts enabled on your system?

No, normal as you can see in Folder Options. Only my system fonts are 14 pt. Perhaps you could take a look at how Microsoft deals with the normal/large font issue in its own dialogs and mimic that. Or you could just design two dialogs for normal and large fonts.

Why large fonts and icons? A larger click area takes less time to aim. You don't have to be so precise. Sure, you see less per screen but... two solutions: use VirtuaWin and/or buy a larger screen - like a ViewSonic 28" $879 in April.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.59 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 14, 2007
Post by: dba on March 23, 2007, 08:48 AM
Is there still time for me to be a beta tester please?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.62 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 24, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 24, 2007, 07:07 PM
Yet another update (v2.00.62) -- mostly minor stuff but a couple of things that good theoretically break stuff, so I look forward to tester reports.  Next release will probably try to address vista issues and display improvements.

Same download as previous alpha releases (send me an email if you want to alpha test, [email protected]).

One notable change is that FARR now tries to launch shortcuts using its helper launcher exe (by default but there is an option to revert to old behavior).  In the past it tried to resolve shortcuts and launch applications directly. I believe this was done because some shortcuts can cause a delay while launching and launching the programs directly doesnt suffer this.  But then I think the helper launch tool obviated the need for this.. But i'm not positive.. So let's hear if you guys experience any issues.

After the next round of improvements I will try to do some speed optimization, then hopefully we can get v2 into public beta release.

I'll also do a little bit more work on the plugin(s) i will release with FARR and then release the plugin API and we can have a little contest for best FARR plugins (so start learning how to make DLLs in your favorite language if you don't know how to already).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: mouser on March 27, 2007, 09:51 AM
New version is up (2.00.65), which has some non-trivial changes to the aliases.

Most importantly is the new addition of a checkbox in each alias that marks it as a built-in default alias, which will be OVERWRITTEN on update. This is very important because it means that users should not modify these aliases (if you want to modify them, make a copy of them and disable the original, or uncheck the built-in/readonly checkbox to indicate you never want it ever updated).

This change was important because it will now allow me to improve the default aliases.  A special backup is now made of your ini file every time a new version of farr is installed so you will have backups in case something goes wrong. Those of you who have customized your aliases may need to re-tweak them again and there may be a case (i think the email alias) where you find a duplicate old alias that might need deleting.

I would *strongly* appreciate any suggestions about aliases i should add.  There are a few aliases that really need some more entries in them, and i encourage users to post their suggestions here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2907.0).

You'll also find a bunch of new aliases in this version, including a special helpfarr alias which shows you a menu of more farr built-in search phrases.  See the help file as usual for more details, and version history on the first post in this thread.

Hopefully i can move to plugins/visualupdates/speedoptimization with next update.

--

ps. I hope these new alias changes don't cause too many headaches for existing users -- please realize it was important to do so to make sure we could fix and update these default aliases when the need arises because we see a better way to do something.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: defiant91 on March 27, 2007, 10:03 PM
i would like a download link please.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: ss0007 on March 31, 2007, 03:23 AM
H i ,
I would like to try the FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release  ...
Pls send me the link ...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: arun on April 01, 2007, 10:12 PM
hi mouser, i have been beta testing version 2 for quite a while now. it is actually less testing and more delighted with the speed and ease of use in version 2. i am using v2.00.68 and found a bug. a very tiny one. the "always launch first result on hitting enter" does not work when the search criteria or the search string is empty. But otherwise i love farr even more.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 01, 2007, 10:18 PM
thanks arun, i think someone mentioned that before and i forgot it.. i have a new version to release so i'll fix this first and then do so.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: eliro on April 03, 2007, 03:46 AM
Where is download the FARR 2.x ?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on April 03, 2007, 11:39 AM
I go it.
eliro, thanks for the interest. Please read Reply #398 for download instructions on this thread.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.65 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - MARCH 27, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 03, 2007, 12:35 PM
yep, as cnewtonne says, anyone can have the download link, just click the little "balloon" looking icon under my name and send me a personal message via the forum (or via email at [email protected]).

ps. i apologize to everyone on this forum who may be getting sick of this long drawn out FARR thread about v2 alpha testing.  version 2 is going to go public soon and then this thread will be retired
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 03, 2007, 11:42 PM
Latest update adds a bunch of stuff, but most importantly perhaps is a bug was fixed that could cause the display of the window to be a bit slow when restoring from the tray.  The first time FARR displays it wont be faster, but subsequent displays should be.  Thanks to Ravi who emailed me and convinced me of this bug's existence.

ps. Plugin SDK should be released later this week.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on April 03, 2007, 11:46 PM
right on to it, mouser.. thanks! :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on April 04, 2007, 06:37 AM
Great fix!
It sure does make a difference!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on April 04, 2007, 08:16 AM
great work, mouser.
I was thinking if we can have the bookmark plug-in search browser history as well. If not now, can this be an option to add?
If neither is possible, can an alias be created to search ffox browser history? Where does ffox store it?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 04, 2007, 08:21 AM
great idea regarding searching history.. i'll be releasing the farrfox plugin source code with the plugin system this week.. hopefully someone will add that feature :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 04, 2007, 08:39 AM
FARR can't find items in when it is in a folder that contain a folder of the same name. If I am in c:\devel and there is a c:\devel\devel\, I won't be able to see and select anything.
Manu
I got this issue again. I checked the different beta version that I installed and the issue begin between the 2.0.56 and the 2.0.59. The 2.0.56 don't have the issue, the 2.0.59 have the issue.

I have got another problem, FARR seem to have stopped search results in the history. It began between the version 2.0.60 and 2.0.68.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 04, 2007, 11:41 AM
GREAT Mouser !
you did it, thanks to the window display bug fix, i now can tell you that FARR does not miss the first 3-4 letters as it did before (when launching it and beginning to type fast...)

still one step to go to be as user friendly as Launchy ;) (but much more powerfull ;))
the ability to search without the consecutive letters

when i want to launch, say the power calculator (microsoft powertoys)
with launchy i can type : pw
or to launch my favorite game, warcraft 3 Frozen Throne, i just type : fz
and believe me it makes a huge difference

I have no idea if this is possible, easy/hard, ... i would just love it ! (of course i guess you would make it an option !)

Keep up the good work and thanks again for the bug fix !

Nitrix
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on April 04, 2007, 12:06 PM
still one step to go to be as user friendly as Launchy ;) (but much more powerfull ;))
the ability to search without the consecutive letters

when i want to launch, say the power calculator (microsoft powertoys)
with launchy i can type : pw
or to launch my favorite game, warcraft 3 Frozen Throne, i just type : fz
and believe me it makes a huge difference

I have no idea if this is possible, easy/hard, ... i would just love it ! (of course i guess you would make it an option !)
couldn't you use aliases for this? I don't know how launchy does this, but it sounds like it might potentially result in an enormous amount of "false positives"... How exactly do you avoid this in Launchy?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on April 04, 2007, 12:20 PM
I've seen this done in many apps e.g. AppRocket, MemoLeaf, TakePhone, and launchy. Some called it 'smart search' where you can find 'Nancy John Smith' by typing 'njs'. I like it a lot and use it when its available. It implicitly uses the '.*' regexp between the letters. I do like to see it in FARR as an optional feature, but I won't push it, though.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.71 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 4, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 04, 2007, 12:31 PM
Wikipedia has a useful page on approximative string searching :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_string_searching
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.74 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2007, 05:40 PM
V2.00.74 is releaded with some changes to the kludgey code related to the code that forced FARR on top of other forms (if that option is enabled).  I was having some trouble with the previous versions method of enforcing it.  I'm not sure if there will be any weird site effects.. please let me know.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.74 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 6, 2007
Post by: usfree74 on April 09, 2007, 11:29 AM
Hi Mouser,

Can you send a link to download the latest version of find and run robot?

Thanks in advance!

BTW: I am quite happy with the early version of FARR. The only issue I have is the slow display. Especially when I work remotely with MS remote desktop. It's horribly slow. I tried some other similar tools like colibre, they don't have such a problem. Is it possible to make it jump out faster?


Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.74 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 6, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 09, 2007, 11:38 AM
the latest version of FARR 2 is much much much faster to display than FARR v1 or even early versions of FARR 2 (ps. if you are using it remotely you probably want to make sure to disable the alpha-fadein effect).

i'll send the link in a message via the forum.
reminder: anyone who wants the alpha download can have it, but please request via email ([email protected]) or by sending me a message through the forum (click the white baloon icon under my name), rather than posting (unless you have something more to say in your post like usfree74 did).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Liquidmantis on April 10, 2007, 11:30 AM
I'm seeing the Vista truncated statusbar as well.  As a little additional info though, the window is still truncated if the statusbar is hidden.

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/Liquidmantis/statusBar.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/Liquidmantis/noStatusBar.jpg)

[Edit] Switching from Aero to Vista Basic didn't make any change.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 10, 2007, 11:41 AM
i will try to fix the vista bug this week.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Chris on April 10, 2007, 08:12 PM
Hi

When installing 2.00.76 and I had input the licence code the "saved" windows was cutoff at the bottom. This was Windows 2000 and it should be noted that I an using Large Fonts.

Chris
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 10, 2007, 08:12 PM
thanks chris, another large font problem for me :(
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on April 10, 2007, 08:43 PM
good release, mouser.. :Thmbsup: anyway, i have another suggestion. how about incorporating an internal command or alias to quit Farr by typing something like this: @quit? this is because WinXP always hides the systray icon and i'm less inclined to use the mouse. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on April 11, 2007, 03:59 AM
good release, mouser.. :Thmbsup: anyway, i have another suggestion. how about incorporating an internal command or alias to quit Farr by typing something like this: @quit? this is because WinXP always hides the systray icon and i'm less inclined to use the mouse. :)
I made this script (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2812.0) just for that. I have some situations where i need to use ctrl+space for some actions, thus, when i need it, i type exit in farr and then, to bring farr back i use windows+f.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: warbird on April 11, 2007, 08:02 AM
Found a non-critical bug. Exiting from the edit group alias dialog results in a access violation error. It doesnt bring down the whole program though. I can still use it as normal after clicking ok in the error dialog box.

Edit: Sorry if this has already been reported. Too long thread, and I don't have time to read through it all.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 08:25 AM
thank you for the report warbird -- actually it's a new bug, caused by a change i made to the try to tweak the "ontop" settings of the forms.

i will upload a new fix today or tomorrow.

i've uploaded a new version with skinning disabled in the options -- let's see if this fixes the problem.  redownload at same url and just install over previous version (but make sure it's exited from the tray when you install new version).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 11, 2007, 08:48 AM
Same here ! i noticed it since the last release...

an other thing, i find quite disturbing the fact that FARR searches an alias by name AND autocompletes its name, let me explain :

let's say i have this alias :
Name : launch in different browser
regex : ^open (.*)
action :
Firefox $$c | C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe "$$c"
Opera $$c | ...
....

to search for it, i can type launch, but then if i use tab to autocomplete it, i have "launch in a different browser" in the edit box which is unusable, since the regex asks for open...
of course, one could choose the word(s) as the regex OR better yet change the regex to ^launch in different browser (.*)

@mouser
i think that it could be disturbing for other people
maybe you could add a field in the alias edit form, so that we could manually specified what we want ??

Just my two cents ;) keep up the great work  :Thmbsup:

Cheers, nitrix
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 11, 2007, 10:22 AM
FARR can't find items in when it is in a folder that contain a folder of the same name. If I am in c:\devel and there is a c:\devel\devel\, I won't be able to see and select anything.
Manu
I got this issue again. I checked the different beta version that I installed and the issue begin between the 2.0.56 and the 2.0.59. The 2.0.56 don't have the issue, the 2.0.59 have the issue.

I have got another problem, FARR seem to have stopped search results in the history. It began between the version 2.0.60 and 2.0.68.

:P sorry for reposting this but I got no answers about these bugs and they seem pretty severe in my mind. I can repro them on two computers. Am I the only one ?

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 11, 2007, 10:44 AM
Another bug :
In the checklist box if you check with the space bar and you close then reopen the setting windows the last item check with the spacebar is not checked.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on April 11, 2007, 10:52 AM
Mouser,
I'm not clear on this option to 'force FARR window on top...'. Does this mean FARR will show on top and stay on top even if it looses focus? I have it enabled, FARR comes up, but when it looses focus, it simply stays open but its windows moves back vs. just hiding.
Is FARR supposed to completely hide when it looses focus similar to 'close window after lunch'. If not, I think it would be nice to have FARR hide (or close window) when it looses focus too.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 11, 2007, 10:59 AM
Steps to repro that bug :
FARR can't find items in when it is in a folder that contain a folder of the same name. If I am in c:\devel and there is a c:\devel\devel\, I won't be able to see and select anything (but c:\devel\devel - sorry for my unclear explication ).

- Create a c:\test folder
- Create a c:\test\test folder
- Create a c:\test\test\document.txt file
- Type c:\test\ in FARR (don't forget the ending \ )

=> There should be 3 entry : current folder, test, and document.txt
=> I can only see and select the c:\test\test folder
=> Pressing enter will open c:\test\test folder

the current version 2.0.78 have the bug on my two computer.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: powerandy on April 11, 2007, 12:35 PM
Dear Mouser,

I really love to use FARR and all my desired improvements are already done before I even recognize that there is a demand. AWESOME!!

For that reasons there is just one little cosmetic wish for me to complete a great piece of software.
Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Thx in advance for your support and your feedback.

- Powerandy -
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 02:03 PM
powerandy it's a good idea. keep in mind that FARR should remember your last position and size for the farr window so that once you set it, you should never have to worry about this again.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 02:05 PM
cnewtonne,
the force on top stuff only takes effect on restarting farr, so make sure you exit and restart after you change that setting.

as far as making farr dissapear if you move focus away, it sounds cool but it might be problematic because sometimes you want to drag and drop files into farr.

did you know that you can type the hotkey again to close farr window (or tap escape twice).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 02:12 PM
Manu!

Sorry if i didn't reply to your bug reports before --
My memory is that i tried to reproduce them and couldn't reproduce the problem and was able to navigate to child directories with same name as the parent.

I will reproduce your example again and see what i find.

Request: can you try using the tab key to to auto-complete, or the alt+# key to go into the parent directory; it may be that hitting enter is opening the parent directory wheras the others will change to that directory in farr, which i think is what you want.

Or is the problem that you want farr to show the contents of the child directory c:\test\test even when you just type c:\test.  I have to think about this a little since it's not clear to me that farr really should be showing you the contents inside the child directory in this case (until you complete c:\test\test), BUT it is something i could add if people really think i should.  Anyone have any thoughts?

I guess my question is, is farr getting confused and behaving differently when the child dir is same name as parent, or is it the case that farr behaves just like any other directory but you want it to behave specially?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: birdy3000 on April 11, 2007, 02:34 PM
Mouser, would love to trail the new version, thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: jballi on April 11, 2007, 03:10 PM
Mouser,

This is in reference to the bug I reported with FARR v1.13.02.  Here's the post:

    Odd bug after using Numpad key to launch shortcut
    https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6980.0

Anywho, back in January, you sent me a message to try the new release of FARR to see if the bug was still there.  Although I check the forum every once in a while, I just now noticed the tiny "You have 1 message" link.  Sorry, I didn't know to look for it but now I do.

I just downloaded the lasted alpha release and gave it try/see.  Unfortunately, the problem persists.  With v2.x, the problem occurs when a shortcut or folder is selected.

Thank you for your consideration.  Please let me know if you need any additional information.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 03:16 PM
thanks jballi, i realllly want to get that bug fixed right away, i hope you will email me so we can correspond and test and get it fixed in next couple of days (email: [email protected]).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 11, 2007, 05:42 PM
I guess my question is, is farr getting confused and behaving differently when the child dir is same name as parent, or is it the case that farr behaves just like any other directory but you want it to behave specially?
Yes, FARR behave differently when the child dir is the same name as the parent. If I rename the child dir to anything else FARR work as usual.

Thank you.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 05:43 PM
can you give me an example of what you type and what it shows when child name is different..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 11, 2007, 06:22 PM
I modified my precedent message and added screenshots. Please, tell me you can reproduce it (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/1Small/beksa.gif)!

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 11, 2007, 06:31 PM
ok well that is clearly a bug then!!
the screenshots are very useful, and i will try to get this fixed in the next couple of days.  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: warbird on April 12, 2007, 04:46 AM
Here's another not app-breaking, but slightly annyoing for me and maybe a few others; I'm using japanese windows, so sometimes i search for files using japanese. Everything works perfectly, it searches and gets hits, and there is no problem in the results windows, but the japanese i typed in into the search field gets scrambled. No unicode?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 12, 2007, 08:56 AM
I'm afraid that i don't have much experience with unicode and it's not supported in farr, as you feared. but are you saying that farr actually searches and displays results ok when you type japanese characters, and that it's only the search edit box that doesn't display properly?  If that's the case it may be relatively simple for me to replace the editbox with a unicode-capable control.  the results window would not be nearly so simple to fix so if results are not displayed properly there, i'm afraid we are out of luck.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: gregabear on April 12, 2007, 09:40 PM
I just want to say that I'm really impressed with the new version!  I can't imagine NOT using it now.  Just one question...what is the possibility of adding support for UNC paths?  It may be an impossibility, but it's something that would really be useful in my daily work.  I guess what I'm meaning is if I type "\\server", it would list any computers on my network that match that and so on with the shares, etc.  Make sense?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 12, 2007, 09:49 PM
hi gregabear,
i wonder if this wouldn't make for a good plugin idea.  if so, post here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=8071.0

question: would the idea be to search deep within the shares like regular directories? or just basically list and let you filter and select from the share "root directories" (excuse me if i'm using the wrong terms or talking nonsense, i don't work with these things much).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 13, 2007, 11:07 AM
Hi Mouser, i tried the Alias Action Keywords feature with no luck, is it broken ?

here is what i did :
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the +notepad modifier does not do anything...  :(


an other thing concerning the aliases, i created this one but the $cc does not work, i found that with a simpler regex ^yubnub (.*) it works... strange no ?
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cheers, Nitrix

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 13, 2007, 04:27 PM
in the first case, dont put the + in the alias name, only when you invoke it.
ps you might want to use something different than notepad in case you ever want to find notepad :)

in the second case, i'll look into it!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 14, 2007, 02:22 AM
in the first case, dont put the + in the alias name, only when you invoke it.
thanks !
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: warbird on April 14, 2007, 08:02 AM
You understand me correctly  :) Just for reference, I'll post a screenshot to show you how it looks.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 14, 2007, 01:27 PM
thanks warbird, then i might just be able to fix add unicode support to the edit box :)
can you email me ([email protected]) so we can be in direct contact when i have a version to test?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 17, 2007, 03:03 AM
Hi mouser !

i have a small feature request, is it possible to have a "link" in the contextual menu of an alias (in the result list) to go to its edit dialog ?
It would be very very handy to slightly modify an existing alias...

Cheers, Nitrix
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 17, 2007, 03:09 AM
good idea -- putting it on todo list.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on April 17, 2007, 05:09 AM
I have got another problem, FARR seem to have stopped search results in the history. It began between the version 2.0.60 and 2.0.68.
I think that this bug might have passed unnoted. It presists in V2.00.76. I'm noticing it because it's one of the features i most use in Farr. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: sri on April 17, 2007, 08:17 AM
2 newbish questions:

1) When I search for a term and say 6 results show up, pressing the number doesn't go to it, but instead gets typed.

2) How do I open 5 pre-defined URLs in tabs in a tabbed browser, say Opera by typing a single alias?



Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: warbird on April 17, 2007, 08:39 AM
For the first question, alt+number will launch the app for that number. For the second one, you have to see if your browser has some switches to allow links to be able to open in a new tab.

http://www.opera.com/docs/switches/

opera seems to use -newpage
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 17, 2007, 01:08 PM
#1: what warbird said (OR you can use function keys OR you can configure FARR to launch on number key press OR you can use numpad).
#2: if you make an alias with the 5 urls, then you can type the alias and hit Ctrl+Alt+Enter to launch all.

If people are interested i could add a flag to each alias to let you say that these should all launch as a group by default.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: thomthowolf on April 17, 2007, 02:21 PM


If people are interested i could add a flag to each alias to let you say that these should all launch as a group by default.
This seems like a really good idea.  I am currently creating batch files and including them in the alias to allow me to launch a single program or the whole lot, but a switch would be easier and faster.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 18, 2007, 03:15 PM
Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Ok... I have the same problem. Noticed it after rebooting my computer (BSODs makes it compulsory...).
But even if I cleanly exit Farr, it will not remember it's position at first launch.
And, of course, after I position it, it will remember its spot for the subsequent triggering.... Until I need to exit and restart.

Small bug ? Never had that problem before v2.00.71 I  think.

i might try to install v2.00.76, maybe, and see...  But I shall try to figure out my BSOD problem first, though.

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: sri on April 18, 2007, 11:39 PM
Mouser,

I have a shortcut on my desktop named 'SAP Logon'. In FARR, it shows up when I type 'SAP', but the moment I actually type the exact name 'SAP Logon', it doesn't show up. Is this the expected behavior? Shouldn't it show when am typing the exact shortcut name?

Here is a screencast of what am talking about:

http://www.sridhareena.com/addons/screencasts/FARR/FARR.html
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 18, 2007, 11:53 PM
wow that's really weird sri..  let's try to figure it out on irc rather than in this thread but it sure sounds like a bug; the SAP related alias you have sounds like it might be causing the problem.. try examining the alias or changing it and see if you can discover what is making the bug happen. definitely looks like a bug!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: sri on April 18, 2007, 11:57 PM
It certainly has to do w/ the alias. Once I disabled the 'sapmats' alias, FARR is behaving the way it should.

I'll catch you in IRC in the evening. (am at work now)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mja on April 19, 2007, 08:55 AM
Hey mouser - Not sure if anyone has ever mentioned this before. But I just increased the number of results to display in the normal results list from 8 to 10 and I noticed that the Alt+# launch keys only go up to 9, leaving the last entry without a number. I think it would be nice if you were able to use 0-9 as well as possibly a Letter for anything past the first 10 entries. It also may be useful to have the launch key differentiated from the actual name a bit more in the display. I'm not sure if have a letter - program name will get confusing for people.

For example something like:
[0] Program 1
[1] Program 2
...

Thanks for the great program.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: gottadoit on April 19, 2007, 09:05 AM
A minor addition but potentially quite useful (seeing as I just noticed that the alpha I am running is a bit behind the times)
How about a "Check for New Version" from the help menu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 19, 2007, 11:50 AM
A minor addition but potentially quite useful (seeing as I just noticed that the alpha I am running is a bit behind the times)
How about a "Check for New Version" from the help menu

good idea, i think an special word would be even better "gocheckversion"
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 20, 2007, 04:53 PM
Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Ok... I have the same problem.
[...] even if I cleanly exit Farr, it will not remember it's position at first launch.
And, of course, after I position it, it will remember its spot for the subsequent triggering.... Until I need to exit and restart.

Small bug ? Never had that problem before v2.00.71 I  think.
[...]



Nobody has that problem ? v2.00.76 and v2.00.71  behave the same.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: antispin on April 22, 2007, 06:33 AM
A few issues here:

1. Running Vista Ultimate
2. @120 dpi
3. Problem #1 persists at lower dpi as well
4. Problem #2 goes away at the default 96dpi

Problem:

1. Generally, the status bar is not visible (120dpi) or half-visible (96dpi)
2. At higher dpi, a drop-down menu opens a few pixels away from the drop-down button -- as if detached

I have attached some screenshots that might better explain the situation:
Bug_1.jpg and bug_2.jpg show the detached daughter from the drop down box. Bug_3.jpg shows the non-existent status bar (note that the status bar was half-visible at 96dpi).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 22, 2007, 06:37 AM
Thanks for the report antispin, i really need to tackle these vista issues asap.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 22, 2007, 01:35 PM
Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Ok... I have the same problem.
[...] even if I cleanly exit Farr, it will not remember it's position at first launch.
And, of course, after I position it, it will remember its spot for the subsequent triggering.... Until I need to exit and restart.

Small bug ? Never had that problem before v2.00.71 I  think.
[...]



Nobody has that problem ? v2.00.76 and v2.00.71  behave the same.


Interresting.

I uninstalled FARR completely, reinstalled the latest alpha, and now it remembers its position. Weird. It even seems a tad faster.

I'm crossing my fingers : maybe will my BSOD problems go away too... :-\

Morale de l'histoire : afterall, installing over previous versions might not be such a great idea...

By the way, in complete despair, I tried Enso (Humanized) and Launchy. Hmmmm.... Came back to Farr in 15min. I am not saying the other don't have potential... They're just not there yet  ;)

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on April 22, 2007, 09:56 PM
ignore this if already mentioned.. in the latest alpha (v2.00.76), i have this error popping up whenever i close the alias edit box. doesn't affect the functionality but it is there.. :)

here is the screenshot:
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 23, 2007, 01:59 AM
i found this one but it's fixed already in 2.00.78; i guess i forgot to post about it.
redownload and see if its gone.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: powerandy on April 24, 2007, 11:45 PM
Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Ok... I have the same problem.
[...] even if I cleanly exit Farr, it will not remember it's position at first launch.
And, of course, after I position it, it will remember its spot for the subsequent triggering.... Until I need to exit and restart.

Small bug ? Never had that problem before v2.00.71 I  think.
[...]



Nobody has that problem ? v2.00.76 and v2.00.71  behave the same.


Interresting.

I uninstalled FARR completely, reinstalled the latest alpha, and now it remembers its position. Weird. It even seems a tad faster.

I'm crossing my fingers : maybe will my BSOD problems go away too... :-\

Morale de l'histoire : afterall, installing over previous versions might not be such a great idea...

By the way, in complete despair, I tried Enso (Humanized) and Launchy. Hmmmm.... Came back to Farr in 15min. I am not saying the other don't have potential... They're just not there yet  ;)


Checked, but not acknowledged! What a pity.....

- Powerandy -
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 25, 2007, 12:19 AM
Checked, but not ack! What a pity.....

Maybe it's my bad english... What does that mean ?  :)

Ack... Guess you are refering to the "ack" searching tool ?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on April 25, 2007, 12:33 AM
could be any one from these.. :)

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Source: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ACK

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 25, 2007, 12:45 AM
I vote for Anti-Capitalist Kananaskis. Sounds fun.  :-*
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Darwin on April 25, 2007, 09:15 AM
Anti-capitalist Kananaskis  :huh:. Really rolls of the tongue, doesn't it?!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: powerandy on April 25, 2007, 09:16 AM
@ all

Sorry, I modified my previous posting.

- Powerandy -
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 25, 2007, 01:39 PM
@ all

Sorry, I modified my previous posting.

- Powerandy -

Aaaaaaah... Thanks! No problem !  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 26, 2007, 08:22 AM
those with Vista who have experienced issues, please see (and report further issues in) this thread and try the newest download:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=8263.0
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 26, 2007, 02:56 PM
Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Could there be possibly an option to center FARR at the first start. Currently it is positioned anywhere on the screen, but there is no option to re-place it to ease handling.

Ok... I have the same problem.
[...] even if I cleanly exit Farr, it will not remember it's position at first launch.
And, of course, after I position it, it will remember its spot for the subsequent triggering.... Until I need to exit and restart.

Small bug ? Never had that problem before v2.00.71 I  think.
[...]



Nobody has that problem ? v2.00.76 and v2.00.71  behave the same.


Interresting.

I uninstalled FARR completely, reinstalled the latest alpha, and now it remembers its position. Weird. It even seems a tad faster.

I'm crossing my fingers : maybe will my BSOD problems go away too... :-\

Morale de l'histoire : afterall, installing over previous versions might not be such a great idea...

By the way, in complete despair, I tried Enso (Humanized) and Launchy. Hmmmm.... Came back to Farr in 15min. I am not saying the other don't have potential... They're just not there yet  ;)


Checked, but not acknowledged! What a pity.....

- Powerandy -

Ok... I have the same problem.
[...] even if I cleanly exit Farr, it will not remember it's position at first launch.
And, of course, after I position it, it will remember its spot for the subsequent triggering.... Until I need to exit and restart.

Small bug ? Never had that problem before v2.00.71 I  think.
[...]


Nobody has that problem ? v2.00.76 and v2.00.71  behave the same.

Strange. Farr remembered its position correctly a few times, and now, it doesn't anymore. Why does that happen ???

Mouser, I know you're very busy, but, when you have the time, could you tell me where does FARR store it's screen position infos ? Is it in the registry ?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 26, 2007, 03:02 PM
its all in its FindAndRunRobot.ini file in the program directory..
maybe there's something i'm messing up, like not storing position if exited while minimized?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.76 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 9, 2007
Post by: Armando on April 26, 2007, 03:23 PM
its all in its FindAndRunRobot.ini file in the program directory..
maybe there's something i'm messing up, like not storing position if exited while minimized?

It seems to store the info, but erases (replaces) it as soon as it's restarted

For instance, these are the stored entries in the ini file after I've positioned FARR, and after it is "exited" WITHOUT RESTARTING :

MainLeft=428
MainTop=1
#(suppressed line)
#(suppressed line)
OptionsLeft=44
OptionsTop=44

AND this is what's written back AFTER FARR has been restarted :


MainLeft=132
MainTop=24
#(suppressed line)
#(suppressed line)
OptionsLeft=154
OptionsTop=154


(edit : clarified a bit my explanation...)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 26, 2007, 04:58 PM
i'll look into it, not sure why it would do that.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 26, 2007, 04:59 PM
New version uploaded 2.00.82.
In addition to vista fixes, the new version adds a nice large-icon display mode, if you like that kind of thing:

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on April 26, 2007, 09:50 PM
thanks, mouser for goquit command and the large icons display looks really cool.. :Thmbsup:

btw, the "see here" link is missing..
Added alias contents modifiers /CLOSEAFTER and /STAYOPEN (see here).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 27, 2007, 05:31 AM
Thanks for this new release !

unfortunately for me, the new alias content modifier /STAYOPEN does not work
it just freezes FARR ! the Farr window is minimized/closed instead of staying open, and even worse Farr does not work anymore, the hotkey does not bring farr, the tray icon is not responding, ...
so i have to manually shut down Farr then relaunch it

Any idea ?

PS: i'm running xp pro sp2
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 27, 2007, 05:36 AM
nitrix i'm having trouble reproducing the problem.. does it happen consistently for you? maybe you can send me your FindAndRunRobot.ini file with instructions on what triggers it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 27, 2007, 05:48 AM
Yes it happens every time
here is a screen capture of my alias

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 27, 2007, 05:59 AM
ok ill try it.. maybe it has something to do with launching from regular expression..

ps.
i'd like to hear feedback regarding whether the large icon display mode should be default.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on April 27, 2007, 06:03 AM
ps.
i'd like to hear feedback regarding whether the large icon display mode should be default.
I tried the large icon display and found it very appealing.
The only reason i haven't kept it was because my screen is wide, thus, not very tall. This means that using that kind of display for browing through directories makes it impossible to see more than ~10 entries, which is definitelly not enough.

If there was a way to get the display to change when using directory search, i'd support that change, though ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 27, 2007, 06:14 AM
oh good point regarding dir display; that would make for a good option.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on April 27, 2007, 06:19 AM
ok ill try it.. maybe it has something to do with launching from regular expression..

i tried with no regular expression, same results...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: beethoven on April 27, 2007, 07:42 PM
mouser wrote 21/2: i think everyone is agreed now that there should be a feature freeze, which basically means my efforts now will be going into stability and bugfixing, so we should have a public release at the very very latest march 7.

What happened to the public release?  :o
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on April 28, 2007, 01:39 AM
mouser wrote 21/2: i think everyone is agreed now that there should be a feature freeze, which basically means my efforts now will be going into stability and bugfixing, so we should have a public release at the very very latest march 7.

What happened to the public release?  :o
It got postsponed :P

Speaking of a public release, though: what about some sort of a feature freeze soon, mouser? I know there are several excellent suggestions for new features, but maybe it's time to waive those for now, and just fix any remaining bugs for a full release? New features could always be added later.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: beethoven on April 28, 2007, 07:26 AM
but maybe it's time to waive those for now, and just fix any remaining bugs for a full release? New features could always be added later.

I agree, there is always room for further improvement but if you don't have a public release once in a while, you end up having a permanent beta  :o
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: QuickBrownFox on April 28, 2007, 07:26 PM
I would love to see a public release too. I've been checking this forum regularly for weeks now, since the first post in this thread promised a public beta on a certain date, so it's been a little bit frustrating. It would've been more so if I hadn't read about the good progress that appears to have been made in terms of features and bugfixes.

However, the fix for the bug that slows down window display is a MAJOR thing. There has always been an actually quite long (in computer terms) pause between rendering the FARR window and then displaying it's contents. I always thought of it as a necessary wait rather than a bug so I was glad to hear that it has been banished. It even seems like it would be worth releasing a fix for it in v1 to tide over non beta users until v2, if it would be easy to do.

After all that, I hope you don't mind if I throw in a feature request here: Hide system tray icon. I never use it and it just wastes space down there. Of course, if this feature were implemented then running the FARR exe would have to show the FARR window instead of starting another instance. WinPatrol has this feature. It's another absolutely essential program for windows. So much so that I wouldn't ever dream of closing it. I think of it as a service and am happy to have it running constantly without my approval. This feature would be great in FARR because I think of it almost in the same way.

Actually, now that I've posted I may as well ask that you send me the beta. I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 30, 2007, 02:08 AM
I have got another problem, FARR seem to have stopped search results in the history. It began between the version 2.0.60 and 2.0.68.
I think that this bug might have passed unnoted. It presists in V2.00.76. I'm noticing it because it's one of the features i most use in Farr. :)

Nobody seem to have noticed this bug again. It is really annoying (at least for me ) because I often run programs and documents with the directory search (full path ) and I could get them again without configuring anything. It miss me so much that I revert to a previous version (2.0.60 ) and no other features added give me the will to upgrade and loose this. I hope to see this fixed.

Manu
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 30, 2007, 05:19 AM
Hi Manu,
I'm looking into it now -- i'm pretty certain that this bug is due to code i recently added to prevent it from returning items in the history when they don't live in a directory normally searched, for use with the new +modifiers for switching which directories to search in.

I'm going to fix it so if you don't specify explicitly directories to look in with a +modifier, then it will not reject history items which aren't on your current search path, which should solve your problem.

Sorry i didn't notice the bug report earlier.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: gottadoit on April 30, 2007, 05:45 AM
After the new version has been released...

It would be good if we could (optionally) have FARR add in program entries for things directly executed by explorer
Explorer makes this relatively easy by default by storing a record of programs that have been executed in some registry keys

For the reg keys involved see http://www.personal-computer-tutor.com/abc3/v29/vic29.htm
The UserAssist keys are rot13'ed by default but there is a switch to toggle this back to plain text and there is also a switch to turn off the UserAssist information collection as well (so some people won't have anything to display)

It might be useful to be able to partition the results taken from explorer executions into a mini little list at the bottom so that they don't pollute the main list if people don't want to have a single combined list

NB: Found that someone has already written a little program to display the information, I have never tried this so caveat emptor
     http://didierstevens.wordpress.com/programs/userassist/
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: gottadoit on April 30, 2007, 05:56 AM
Another fairly minor and probably fairly easy addition is the option to show the last executed time in the history list
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 30, 2007, 06:13 AM
great idea gottadoit - this would be a nice idea for a plugin.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: rjbull on April 30, 2007, 06:17 AM
i'd like to hear feedback regarding whether the large icon display mode should be default.

I'd rather have "small icon" mode.  But as long as you can switch it, OK...

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: ecaradec on April 30, 2007, 07:28 AM
It would be good if we could (optionally) have FARR add in program entries for things directly executed by explorer
Explorer makes this relatively easy by default by storing a record of programs that have been executed in some registry keys

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you want : Windows maintains a 'recent document' folder with shortcuts to recent files opened with Explorer. You can add it to the search directory of FARR. It is located into "C:\document and settings\%USERNAME%\My recent documents"
You can also tune the numbers of items Explorer should keep but I forget how. Probably a registry key.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on April 30, 2007, 07:34 AM
oh yeah i forgot i already added that recent docs to default search paths :)
heheh, ok no need for that then, just the recent programs launched then.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Kosinus on May 01, 2007, 11:01 AM
I just received this display, beware the differing path display in the status line and item line. FARR version is 2.00.82.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 01, 2007, 11:06 AM
thanks Kosinus, looks like a bug for sure.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: gcharron on May 01, 2007, 02:58 PM
Great App!!

  a few observations (Find+Run Robot v2.00.82):

  1. Once an application has been launched from FARR and later closed- the parent folder can not be delete until FARR is closed.
  2. Unable to locate where to configure the command line to appear at the bottom of the FARR window instead of the top

Thanks Again!!!
Gilles
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 01, 2007, 11:17 PM
gcharron, i'll look into #1 that sounds annoying and i can't think of why it should happen.
as for #2, i removed the option as it became painfully hard to get that display to look right with the edit box at the bottom.. i may try to bring it back eventually if people really want it, but only after i finish the code that let's user customize font for editbox..

ps.
i agree with everyone about getting farr v2 into release candidate and public testing, i just want to make sure i have the fundamental stuff updated so people can create plugins and share aliases without having to worry about painful upgrading.

i've spent the last week completely reworking the way aliases are saved.  they are now saved in multiple xml files, so that it will be super easy for people to create and share and update various alias files, while also maintaining their own custom aliases, and not worrying about them being overwritten, etc.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on May 02, 2007, 08:33 AM
Mouser,
great news for great work.
I would like to ask that you take a look at performance too. Alias searches are becoming more and more slow as I add them. Sometimes it takes 2-5 secs for results to display. I know you have plenty on your plate, just take a look when you get the chance.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 02, 2007, 09:20 AM
Mouser, this may not be an issue for new users, perhaps just for folks converting up from previous versions, but I encountered a small issue with the sizing of the Edit Group/Alias dialog. Presumably its size on my system had been remembered (from a previous FARR version with fewer fields in the dialog) as shorter than is now permitted. As a result, the dialog was shown at the current minimum height, but the Results field contents were completely invisible, and completely unscrollable. The only indicator that there was anything in the Results field was that I could do Select All / Copy, then paste to an editor to view the field contents. When I resized the dialog up and then back down to minimum height, the problem did not  recur.

Several thoughts:
* seems like there is some subtle size dependency failure when the dialog height is memorized as being smaller than the current minimum height.
* Perhaps it would help if the dialog minimum height were a little taller than now so that the Results field was always at least 2 lines high. (This might also help with clarity, emphasizing to the user that this is a multi-line field, and unless you are planning a cell phone version, shouldn't be a problem with anyone's screen size.)
* It would help with clarity if there were an explicit resizing grip at the lower right corner.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 02, 2007, 09:31 AM
cnewtone, there is no way it should take that long, some bug must be slowing farr down (like when it somehow gets delayed checking for the existence of a network file).  can you email me your FindAndRunRobot.ini file? or actually you might want to wait until i release the next version which completely changes the way aliases are stored before you do.

jdmarch thanks for pointing that out, i will improve it.  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 03, 2007, 06:30 AM
Hmmm, am I doing this wrong or is this an issue? I just entered a search word. Most of the results were in D:\WINNT\TEMP, which I did not want. D:\WINNT\ is on my search path, but I didn't want its TEMP subfolder to be. So I added D:\WINNT\TEMP\ to Search Folders with a score of -9999. Made no difference whatsoever, whether I put it before or after the D:\WINNT\ entry.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 03, 2007, 08:05 AM
jdmarch, add D:\WINNT\TEMP\ with score of -9999 to your "Pattern Scooring" list, not your Search Folders list.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 03, 2007, 09:26 AM
Thanks, mouser. Actually shouldn't it be d:\winnt\temp\*  ?

But it isn't only that I didn't want those results to show up - I don't even want FARR to waste time searching the temp folder and its subfolders. Or is it smart enough to do that when it sees the above pattern exclusion?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 03, 2007, 09:41 AM
Or is it smart enough to do that when it sees the above pattern exclusion?
right exactly. it wont go into that directory at all -- BUT!!! -->
don't do "d:\winnt\temp\*" or "d:\winnt\temp\*.*"

as that WILL confuse it into looking into the subdirectory before eliminating.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 03, 2007, 11:04 AM
Doesn't seem to work. If I don't include the wildcard, it doesn't exclude the files.

But wouldn't it be more consistent to have directory exclusions on the same page as directory inclusions, rather than on the page with pattern scoring?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 03, 2007, 11:33 AM
But wouldn't it be more consistent to have directory exclusions on the same page as directory inclusions, rather than on the page with pattern scoring?

yes, i will think about doing this. it would make it more efficient too.  in this thinking, each directory listed would also have:
1) checkbox for saying whether to search recursive, and perhaps a recursion depth limit.
2) list of sub directories to exclude
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 03, 2007, 11:38 AM
Sounds like a good plan. A recursion depth limit would not usually be needed, but I can think of some places where it would be useful.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on May 04, 2007, 10:45 AM
Mouser,
I was playing with FARR and accidently changed the skin I was using 'slenderfarr'. Soon I did that, the issue described earlier is gone. Alias searches are no longer slow and I'm happy with it now. However, I hit a new strange issue that I was able to duplicate on my existing install as well as a fresh one i.e. renaming my existing ini file. I have a search folder for 'my documents' with a modifier listed as 'md'. When I search using '+md budget', for instances, FARR hangs and turns blanco for about 5-7 seconds and eventually search results display. If I search using 'budget +md' it works fine with no delays. I have several modifiers and it looks like it only happens with the +md one if you start with the modifier first.

Can you confirm this behavior please.
Title: Re: Odd startup bug
Post by: jballi on May 04, 2007, 07:30 PM
v2.00.83 (and previous)

This a wacky but seriously irritating (at least to me!) bug that I haven't reported earlier because it is somewhat difficult to duplicate and I don't know exactly what triggers it.  I've discovered some additional information so I decided to report it hoping that someone else besides myself has experienced it.

Every once in while, I start FARR and I'm not able to type anything at all.  For me, the computer just beeps every time I type a character.  The only way to get out of "input barrier" loop is to hit the Escape key or click on the Close button and restart FARR.  I don't actually restart the program.  The FARR window is closed and then reactivated when I enter the FARR hotkey (Ctrl+Alt+Break for me).

Stay with me...

I recently discovered that when I type certain characters (while this bug is occurring), the computer doesn't beep.  For example, when I type the letters "A" or "C" the computer doesn't beep.  This gave me a clue that the program was attempting to receive a keyboard shortcut.  Out of curiosity I typed the letter "O" -- the "Options" dialog popped up!

Long story not so long.  When this bug is occurring, it is the equivalent of the ALT key being pressed down while you're typing.  Only keyboard shortcuts (or other ALT-based hotkeys) are active.

Like I said, this bug is difficult to duplicate.  I would estimate that this bug shows it's ugly head 1 out of 15 to 20 runs.  I think that something from a previous run triggers it but so far, I haven't been able figure out what.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 04, 2007, 07:33 PM
is it possible that what's happening is farr is coming up but is not focused?
do you see the cursor blinking it its edit box? if you put the cursor in the box and click does it work?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jballi on May 04, 2007, 07:50 PM
is it possible that what's happening is farr is coming up but is not focused?
do you see the cursor blinking it its edit box? if you put the cursor in the box and click does it work?
It's very possible that wrong object is in focus when the window is initiated but putting the edit box into focus doesn't fix the problem while this "bug" is occurring.  Yes, I see the cursor blinking in the edit box.  I don't remember for sure if I've put the mouse cursor in the box and clicked on it but I'm fairly certain that I have.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 04, 2007, 08:02 PM
well if the cursor is blinking in the edit box then it has focus and that's not the problem.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: QuickBrownFox on May 05, 2007, 05:00 AM
Long story not so long.  When this bug is occurring, it is the equivalent of the ALT key being pressed down while you're typing.  Only keyboard shortcuts (or other ALT-based hotkeys) are active.

The mysterious holding down of ALT is a classic problem that I used to get a lot in windows before XP. Now it just happens to me every year or something. I notice that your FARR shortcut has an ALT in it so pressing that could start and stop the odd behaviour.

-Does the problem disappear when you press the ALT key?
-When this problem occurs, go to another application (NOT by alt-tab) and press a key. Does the behaviour persist?

Just thought I'd point out that it's not necessarily FARR's fault and it could be windows or even the keyboard.

None of this explains the beeping of course so I may be totally wrong but try it out anyway. =]
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: QuickBrownFox on May 05, 2007, 05:25 AM
I don't think this bug has been posted before:

Typing parts of aliases breaks non-contiguous matching

This is some strange and unpredictable behaviour that I found in v2 that I'm not sure if you'll be able to reproduce but here goes:

1. Type the first part of some alias for example: "wi", which is part of the wiki alias.
2. Type a space.
3. Now type another letter that should bring a result on your system but is not "k" or "i". Putting an "n" should suffice for most people.

Results should show every that contains "win" (at least) but there are no results and the status bar says "Searching partial aliases..." and doesn't change if left for a long time. This behaviour doesn't occur if the aliases are disabled which is what I've done for now.

I've just noticed that while in this state, FARR uses >90% of cpu power on my system. I never thought to check this before because it still feels perfectly responsive to the keyboard and mouse.


Also, I just thought I'd mention that many of the statusbar tips in the options are wrong and the "Check full path for search words..." option in the General tab doesn't appear to change anything or I can't figure out what it does. I know it's still beta and you've probably just not got round to the polishing but I just wanted to make sure you're aware.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: QuickBrownFox on May 05, 2007, 05:34 AM
After disabling aliases to get around that bug, I discovered how nice searching for non-contiguous matches is. "add remove" brings up add and remove programs and so on. Even if I put a space in between every letter of my search I always get what I want as the first result, and quickly.

How about an option to treat all search terms as if there is a space between each letter? This would give a really fuzzy search. This could be overkill for file searching but would be really for people like me who only really use farr to launch start menu programs.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 05, 2007, 10:50 AM
wow that sure is a bug.. thanks for the report, it's at the top of my todo list.
(ps i've said it before and i'll say it again, thank you for everyone testing and reporting bugs. you are life savers.)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 06, 2007, 06:43 PM
Another bug... I think. I have a "Favorite Shortcuts" folder on my desktop. It is high on my FARR search folder list. In this folder I have a shortcut to Control Panel's Add-Remove Programs. If I open this shortcut from the folder in explorer directly (not using FARR) the A-R-P window opens fine. But if I invoke it from FARR, it locates the correct shortcut (I see the path to the Favorite Shortcuts folder), but when I select this shortcut, the A-R-P window does not open. In the past (with FARR 1), this worked as intended. I don't think it's ever worked with FARR 2, but I'm not certain.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 06, 2007, 10:38 PM
jdmarch, for what its worth, farr 2 has built in shortcuts for control cpanel, so just type "cpanel add" or something like that and it should bring it up :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 06, 2007, 11:03 PM
That's great, mouser. I remember that was on the wish list but didn't notice that you'd implemented it already. Suffices to type "cp ad".

Makes my bug report less urgent, but still seems like a bug, no?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 06, 2007, 11:14 PM
yeah it does seem like a bug.  question, do you have the option checked on the general tab that says "always launch shortcuts directly" ? if not, try it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on May 06, 2007, 11:24 PM
Yes, "always launch shortcuts directly" is already checked. (And while you didn't ask this, unchecking it doesn't help either!)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on May 07, 2007, 08:36 AM
Mouser,
Did you get the chance to read my post. I tried the scenario on a different computer with new install and it is still happening. See my post here Reply #543  https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6624.msg60102#msg60102
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on May 07, 2007, 09:20 PM
ok,
I figured out and it was not something new. I noticed that this severe slowness was only occurring at home office but did not occur at corporate office. I suspected some network resource time-out. The option to 'show search subdir details...' was really great since it showed me where is FARR hanging. Digging in over 500 files I was eventually able to narrow it down to link pointing to a file on the network. Once I removed it, FARR was acting just like an Arabian horse, agile and performing.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 08, 2007, 12:05 AM
thanks cnewtonne!
do you happen to still have that file/shortcut!
i added code to tell farr to STOP trying to resolve such network shortcuts but it was obviously still trying to.
if you could find it or recreate the phenomena, and help me figure out what it looks like i would appreciate it.
mail me ([email protected]) and we can do via email.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on May 08, 2007, 07:54 AM
I can easily recreate it, but what is it that you're asking for? Do you mean the link target i.e. UNC path?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 08, 2007, 10:39 AM
right ok so its UNC path -- FARR is not supposed to be trying to resolve those, but maybe the code snuck back in somewhere, like checking icon. let me try to duplicate and if i can't i'll ask you for the shotcut info.
Title: One Wish
Post by: rojer_31 on May 15, 2007, 12:31 PM
Hi,

I tried the new alpha just now and it looks fabulous! It looked promising a few months ago, now it is delivering on them :)

I have one simple wish though. I don't know if this has been voiced before, but when I try and type something that works on the normal run window, it doesn't work here. Let me explain:

 For example the control panel applets could be run by executing the appropriate *.cpl file:
"sysdm.cpl" for system properties, startup.cpl for startup entries and so on. When I try this with Find and Run robot, it says there are 0 results (which is understandable) but then refuses to run whatever I have typed in.

Incase I am not clear, could you update this so that, when there are 0 results, it will work *exactly* like the standard run box dialog,
and when there are some results, a modifier (maybe shift+enter) that allows me to force it to work exactly as the run box.

This is especially critical when I am running an alternate shell (I sometimes use Blackbox as my shell in wondows) and cannot avail of the standard run dialog at all.

And once again congrats on a stellar program!

Thangaraj
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 15, 2007, 12:41 PM
you can type:
run sysdm.cpl

"run .*" is an alias that will run something as if you ran it from run box.

also, you can type:
"cpanel .*" where .* is some keywords, and it will show/filter control panel items to run.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: rojer_31 on May 15, 2007, 03:15 PM
Thank you.

FARR doesn't seem to remember such "run" commands in history though.

Apart from that, I would still want you to consider it to be a feature request though.

Incase I am not clear, could you update this so that, when there are 0 results, it will work *exactly* like the standard run box dialog,
and when there are some results, a modifier (maybe shift+enter) that allows me to force it to work exactly as the run box.

This could maybe enabled in the advanced options?

Anyway, even without any more features, FARR has just replaced my current launcher (which was launchy btw) ;)

Thank you.
Thangaraj
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 15, 2007, 03:30 PM
when there are 0 results, it will work *exactly* like the standard run box dialog
not a bad idea -- let me just think about if there would be any problems doing this; having it as an option would be a reasonable solution and i can't see any harm in that.

its also a good idea to remember run commands (and other alias launches) and autocomplete them, let me see if i can figure out a way to add that.. would be a nice feature..

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: rojer_31 on May 15, 2007, 06:20 PM
when there are 0 results, it will work *exactly* like the standard run box dialog
not a bad idea -- let me just think about if there would be any problems doing this; having it as an option would be a reasonable solution and i can't see any harm in that.

its also a good idea to remember run commands (and other alias launches) and autocomplete them, let me see if i can figure out a way to add that.. would be a nice feature..

Great! Thank you again  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: rojer_31 on May 16, 2007, 05:20 AM
Ok, here's an example where shift+enter to launch a "run" command might come in handy.

"cmd"

when I type in that I get a list of options based on nircmd (which is not installed on my system by the way). That is all well and fine, but if I just want a command line window, I simply could not get it without the "run " prefix. So a way to launch the command typed in disregarding any results that may be available would be great. This again could be in advanced preferences, if that's your wish.

ps. you could try and add nircmd to the FARR installation, if feasible..

It's great that you continue to listen to new ideas. This is the sort of difference that could make a good product into a great one :)

Thangaraj
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 16, 2007, 09:20 PM
Dear Jesse,

I installed FARR v2 using the link you sent to my email.
As adviced, I installed it without exiting the stable version that I had.
I did this on both my PC's, one at work and the other at home.
Here's what's happening -

With the PC at home:

FARR v2 suddenly quit working without any warning yesterday. Moreover my PC slowed down considerably. I uninstalled FARR v2 and restarted the PC which helped bring things back to normal. I then tried to reinstall FARR v2 and having failed to do so, tried to install the stable version. In both cases, the installation process stops halfway and I get the following error message.
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I tried to remove any remnants of Files and Folders related to FARR from the system so that I can install it afresh but even this I am unable to do as I keep getting this error message.
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

With the PC at work

No issues so far! FARR v2 is working fine!

Grateful for any help in restoring FARR on my PC at home.
Best wishes

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 16, 2007, 09:24 PM
i know the problem.
you dont have to uninstall older version BUT you do have to exit it from tray.

i really need to make that automatic, its very confusing i know.
so just exit farr from tray and then install.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 16, 2007, 10:30 PM
Thanks for your prompt reply!

I suddenly realized that I have a Start Up utility wherein I have chosen to start FARR on starting the PC up.
I unchecked the 'start FARR on start up' box and thereafter I was able to delete all remains of Files and Folders
of FARR from my system.
Once this was done, I was able to once again install FARR v2 successfully.
Regards

Jay
Title: Re: Odd startup bug
Post by: jballi on May 17, 2007, 09:12 PM
Re: Odd startup bug.  Original post: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6624.msg60160#msg60160

The mysterious holding down of ALT is a classic problem that I used to get a lot in windows before XP. Now it just happens to me every year or something. I notice that your FARR shortcut has an ALT in it so pressing that could start and stop the odd behaviour.
-QuickBrownFox

Thank you for your interest.  I've delayed replying to your post because I wanted the bug to occur again several times so I could do some additional testing...


-Does the problem disappear when you press the ALT key?
-QuickBrownFox

No.  When in the middle of this "bug" (for lack of a better word), almost all input is blocked.  Like a stated earlier, the program acts as though the ALT key is being pressed down.  Pressing the ALT key doesn't change anything.


-When this problem occurs, go to another application (NOT by alt-tab) and press a key. Does the behaviour persist?
-QuickBrownFox
To be honest, I never thought to try to run other applications while FARR is running.  After all, there is no reason to have the FARR window active unless you want it to do stuff.

In a effort to track down this problem, I did have an opportunity to give this a try and... When I clicked to other windows and did stuff (no input block problems) and returned back to the FARR window, the input block was gone.


Just thought I'd point out that it's not necessarily FARR's fault and it could be windows or even the keyboard.
-QuickBrownFox
At this point there is no definitive proof that this is a FARR bug/problem.  However, since this idiosyncrasy only occurs while the FARR window is active (no problems with any other windows, ever), I have to conclude that this is probably a FARR bug.  Of course, if no one else experiences the problem and/or the bug cannot be reproduced, there is not much that can be done.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: rojer_31 on May 18, 2007, 06:28 AM
I have been searching for an option to enable higher (above normal/10 or higher /13) priority for the FARR process. Am I missing something, or is this option hidden somewhere else???
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Armando on May 19, 2007, 04:02 AM
(My mistake.)  :-[
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jsturtridge on May 21, 2007, 06:40 AM
New bug:
When browsing through directories that contain an "&" character - i.e. an ampersand.  The status bar doesn't show the ampersand and shows the next character as underlined.  (I appreciate that this is windows default behaviour on showing certain types of strings).

Version: 2.0.0.82

Thanks - Jon.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on May 21, 2007, 09:14 AM
thanks john, i should have a new alpha out this week with some fixes including this one.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jsturtridge on May 23, 2007, 03:11 AM
I know it's late for new feature requests - but I find myself typing a lot of command strings multiple times.  I use FARR as my main launcher (for programs, files and websites) and it would be really handy if as well as FARR doing its search of files, folders, aliases, it also searched its own history.

So say yesterday I opened a PowerPoint file and I want to open it again today - it would display both the matching files (as it normally does) and yesterday's entry so I can launch it again quickly.  As an alternative - you might want to introduce an alias like +hist which searches the history and matches the next string with something in the history.

Thanks again for a really great launcher.

Jon.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: justice on May 23, 2007, 03:21 AM
It already does search its own history :) Have a look at the Launch History tab. Maybe you'll want to increase history related entries in the Heuristic Scoring section of the advanced options. This way matches from your history will get more priority.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jsturtridge on May 23, 2007, 04:07 AM
Ah gotcha - but it doesn't work with aliases (or at least one in particular) ... ??  :(

For example: I type http://news.bbc.co.uk and it finds the alias "surf" and quite rightly launches the news.bbc.co.uk webpage - hooray.  So I start typing "http://news" again and I would expect it to find the "http://news.bbc.co.uk" that I typed in earlier - but it doesn't find anything.

Am I missing something or is there a restriction about which type of history is searched?

Jon.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on May 23, 2007, 07:42 AM
Actually, good thing you mention history.
I think that this bug (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6624.msg57926#msg57926) related to searching in farr's history still presists...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on May 24, 2007, 08:36 AM
Mouser,
I wanted to see if this is doable in the current release of FARR. Most apps that provide a search-as-u-type feature, provide an option where user can control the delay between end of typing and start of search in ms. This delay is basically ms that pass where KB is idle. This way I do not have to be racing along with FARR and sometimes stepping on each other's toes.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 26, 2007, 01:54 PM
Jesse,

I continue to face problems with the latest FARR V2.00.82 Alpha!

As mentioned previously, I have installed this on both the PC's at home and at work.
Since I do not have any issues with this version of FARR at work, I will confine myself with the problems I face on my home PC.

After installation ( I exit from the tray first as adviced) the application runs without any hitch for a couple of days.
I turn off the PC each day before going to bed.
A few days later when I start the PC, I find FARR icon missing in my system tray!

Even if I try to run it from Start/Programs, FARR does not start.
I have to painfully uninstall, manually remove some folders and files related to FARR (Some are unable to be removed),
restart the PC and install the program all over again.
Then after a few days, FARR is again missing from the system tray.

No idea what is going on!

I've tried Launchy and othere similar programs but FARR is 'Farr' away the best!  :)
I love this program and would appreciate any one's help in resolving this issue.
I am now using the stable version v1.13.01 and would like to use the latest Alpha
Thanks in advance!

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on May 26, 2007, 02:19 PM
jnulu, use the TaskManager to see if Farr is already running but fails to appear on the screen, that may provide some clues..

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 26, 2007, 04:12 PM
I just checked the Task Manager and found it to show that I am running the Alpha version 2.00.82, when I know that I am running only the stable version v1.13.02. To double check, I right click on the FARR icon in the tray and choose 'About' which confirms that I am running the stable version v1.13.02.
A few seconds later, with the FARR window open, I check the Task Manager once more.
And find there are no entries for FARR in the Task Manager window!!  :huh:

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: justice on May 26, 2007, 05:42 PM
Are you running Vista? It can preload programs as it analyses your daily usage. Maybe it detected you use farr2 and preloads it which causes problems for farr1. If you're not using Vista then this is not the case.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 26, 2007, 06:13 PM
No, I'm running Windows XP Professional version 2002 with Service Pack 2
Thanks for your help, 'justice'!
Regards

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 27, 2007, 08:15 PM
I decided to try and install the Alpha version once more.
Accordingly I exited the current stable version from the tray, and installed the Alpha version.
I checked the Task Manager and found two instances of FARR running!
Here is the screen shot:

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Yet there is no icon of FARR in the system tray!
Clicking on Start/Programs/FARR does not do anything  >:(

Please help!!

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: justice on May 28, 2007, 02:59 AM
Farr won't start if it is already active. Instead it will try and activate the farr window. So all the problems you are having is becaues you have a hidden farr running.

Now there can be several reasons why this is the case:
* more than one user is logged on and more than one is running farr.
* I have had some problems before when I merged the startup of all users with the current user startup. Have you fiddled with startup disble/enable software?

Also diagnose the problem: reboot your computer, making sure farr does not start up immediate, is farr running in the task manager? 0 or more?
start farr. How many instances are running now? 1 or more?
restore farr to boot with your pc if you had set this up before these tests. now restart your pc again: how many instances of farr are running? 1 or more?
start farr. How many instances are running now? 1 or more?

This will diagnose if there is a configuration problem on your pc or if it is a farr bug.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 28, 2007, 11:35 AM
I am running FARR on my PC at work and on my PC at home.
When I am at home, the PC at work is turned off, and when at work, the PC at home is turned off.
I am the only user for both PC’s. I am the Administrator for the PC at home. I have a Guest account
which is permanently turned OFF.
In effect, only one account is being used at any given time.

There is no problem using the Alpha version of FARR on the PC at work.
And there's no problem using the stable version of FARR on the PC at home.

I have not fiddled with the software - I don't know how!  ;D

PC at home running the stable v1.13.02:

When I start the PC with FARR set up to simultaneously start, there is only one instance of it running in the Task Manager.
FARR icon is also present in the system tray.
Right clicking on the icon, the ‘About’ shows that I am running v1.13.02

I then reset FARR not to start at the PC’s next boot up.
The PC is then restarted.
There is no icon in the tray and there is no instance of it running in the Task Manager.

So far everything is good!

PC at home running the Alpha v2.0.0.82:

I exit FARR v1.13.02  from the system tray,
On checking, find that there is no instance of it running in the Task Manager.
The Alpha version of FARR is then installed.
After installation, I find the FARR icon is NOT present in the system tray.
However, the Task Manager shows me that I am running one instance!
Finding FARR is NOT set up to start up in Start/Run/msconfig/startup, I check
the startup entry check box and then restart the PC once more.

Here’s what is happening after I restart the PC:

The msconfig /start up shows that the entry for starting up FARR is checked.
Task Manager shows one instance of FARR running.
But still no icon of FARR in the system tray.

I truly appreciate all your help and hope I've answered all your queries.
Thanks again!

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: justice on May 28, 2007, 01:06 PM
Great that sounds good. The thing is I am not sure if you should run both the alpha and the stable on the same computer. A lot of things have changed. Maybe someone else can say for definite.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 28, 2007, 03:07 PM
Not sure if I explained my problem clearly enough 'justice'.

As adviced by Mouser, I exited the stable version from the tray and only then installed the new Alpha version
So how is it possible for me to be running both the versions?

Besides, the same procedure was followed for installing the Alpha version on the PC at work without any problems so far.

Thanks!

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on May 29, 2007, 01:54 AM
try this jnulu, uncheck the start-up option in Farr and in msconfig.. then rename the farr folder and restart.. upon restarting, check if there are any instances of Farr.. if there is none, then you can re-install either the alpha or v1 version.. :)

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 29, 2007, 12:34 PM
I have absolutley no problems with v.1.13.02 on my home PC.
It's the Alpha version that is causing all the problems!  :-\
Appreciate your continued help!
Regards

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on May 29, 2007, 08:00 PM
so, did the steps i mentioned help you to solve the problem? also before renaming the Farr alpha's folder, you may have to kill any farr processes with the TaskManager.. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on May 29, 2007, 08:48 PM
Hi 'justice'!

As adviced, I unchecked the startup checkbox in both the FindandRunRobot and in msconfig.
I renamed the FindandRunRobot folder in the Program Files and restarted the PC
Finding that there were no instances of FindandRunRobot running in the Task Manager, I installed the Alpha version.
The program installed without a hitch and thereafter I ran it without any problems.
I restarted the PC once again. The program continued to work perfectly!
  :)
Hooray, looks like you've solved the problem!  8)
Will keep you posted after a few days.
Regards....and thanks a milliion!

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: gottadoit on May 29, 2007, 10:06 PM
One thing that would really be quite useful would be to allow a little icon bar to be displayed between the search field and the results list, this could be used for displaying the contents of the quick launch toolbar as a quick shortcut to get to items (when they are not already in the history list)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on May 30, 2007, 03:02 AM
gottadoit, Farr already allows you to specify your own programs in a toolbar.. you do this from the Options dialog (see pics)..

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: justice on May 30, 2007, 04:24 AM
The program continued to work perfectly!
Good to hear! It was definately two versions of FARR conflicting with each other, the reason behind it is still unclear. Good luck.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on June 03, 2007, 08:57 PM
Hi 'justice'!

After a week of running the Alpha version without any problem, I found the FARR icon missing
once again in the tray, after starting my PC this morning.
However the Task Manger showed FARR to be running.
I unistalled the program and have gone back to the stable version v1.13.02.

The Alpha version link that Mouser emailed me a month ago, no longer works, so am unable to install it anymore.
I have emailed Mouser for another link, but in the meanwhile, grateful for any further ideas.
Thank you!

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 03, 2007, 09:04 PM
does the break key still bring up farr?
it sure sounds like maybe your windows is just hiding inactive icons.
if the break key works to bring up farr, then don't worry if its not shown in the tray.
on the other hand, if farr wont return to screen on break key and is essentially hung up, then that's a whole different matter that needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on June 04, 2007, 12:33 AM
Hi 'mouser'!

The break key does not bring up FARR, tho as mentioned, the Task Manager shows it to be running.
If I launch FARR from Start/Programs/FindandRunRobot, then the Task Manager shows two instances of FARR
to be running, but still the FARR icon does not appear in the tray nor does FARR open it's search window.

Then, as 'justice' adviced, I have to kill the process in the Task Manager, rename the FindandRun Robot folder in the Program folder,
and only then, install the program once again. Once the program is installed, I delete the renamed FindandRunRobot folder.
Thanks and regards
Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 04, 2007, 07:11 AM
ok well there is no need to keep renaming and reinstalling.
when a program hangs, just bring up task manager, and right click and terminate the program, then re-run it.

however, the fact that farr is hanging is very troubling, and i need to fix whatever problem it is that is causing this.  let's talk over email and see if we can't track down this problem.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Armando on June 04, 2007, 08:37 PM
however, the fact that farr is hanging is very troubling, and i need to fix whatever problem it is that is causing this.
Hi Mouser,
Just want to let you know that Farr v2.00.78 hangs here too, from time to time (sorry, haven't got the time to check the latest version) -- doesn't happen very freequently though. Yes, it generaly behaves well and I still use it all day (and night).
I didn't mention hte hanging because it seemed that I had other problems almost nobody else has here (like the positionning problem mentionned earlier in the thread -- it does happens again, for some weird reason : Farr just won't remember its position. I thought it was fixed the last time I reinstalled it, but the problem eventually came back.)

Concerning the hanging problem : Farr will eat all my CPU resources and will not show up when I hit the keyboard shortcut key. Have to kill it through task manager and restart it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 04, 2007, 09:32 PM
hi armando, i've sent you a link to the latest, let's see if it still happens.
I *need* to get this problem fixed asap because i want to open farr to public beta in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on June 04, 2007, 10:33 PM
Thanks, Jesse.
Please check your email.

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Armando on June 04, 2007, 11:58 PM
hi armando, i've sent you a link to the latest, let's see if it still happens.
I *need* to get this problem fixed asap because i want to open farr to public beta in the next week or so.

I just sent you a PM and forgot to mention that FARR now remembers its position. Don't know why it would now, but am happy it does  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Armando on June 06, 2007, 01:11 AM
Hi Mouser.
Just wanted to tell you that Farr hanged again, 10 min ago. It happened after I double clicked on a file name (in FARR's main list window) to open it. it opened the file, and then hanged.
It might have nothing to do with that though.
(In fact, I even wonder if Kaspersky IS 6.0 -- which I'm trialing at the moment, still one week before I probably remove it -- could be incriminated. it's been incredibly obstrusive... But that's really pure, pure, speculation.)
Going to bed now.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on June 06, 2007, 10:54 PM
Armando, i once had the same problem with the alpha but after killing Farr.. i renamed the ini file and let Farr generate a new one. after that, it was all okay, just passing on the nfo.. :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: cnewtonne on June 06, 2007, 11:20 PM
I've experienced FARR hanging when it was searching in places that contained links to network resources or UNC paths. Mouser is aware of it and I think he's getting it fixed. But to diagnose your issues, turn on the status bar and see at what folder or place it is hanging. See if it happens on same place and dig into it to find out if you have any links to network shares.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 06, 2007, 11:52 PM
It happened after I double clicked on a file name (in FARR's main list window) to open it. it opened the file, and then hanged.

that seems like quite a clue, but it still seems like it is hanging in different places for those of you where it does hang.. i still suspect it could be unc issue.

can you guys try 2.00.99 and tell me if this version also hangs on you.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: jnulu on June 07, 2007, 12:15 AM
Mouser,

A mentioned in my earlier posts, I was having problems on the PC at home with v2.00.82
However, I still run this version on my PC at work, successfully till date.

Now on my PC at home, I am running v2.00.97 for the last three days.
There have been no problems so far.

Will keep you posted of developments, if any.

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Armando on June 07, 2007, 12:19 AM
OK.
As I told you, mouser, the last version you sent me didn't do the trick, but I renamed the ini file, as Lanux suggested and the "double clicking on a file name causes Farr to hang" problem disappeared. At least, that seems to now be solved.
But why did the old ini caused a problem ? No idea...  :-[
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 07, 2007, 12:33 AM
please send me both ini files.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: alessio on June 07, 2007, 01:20 AM
Mouser,

First big thank you for FARR. I really can not imagine how could I live before without it.

I have one feature request tough. Maybe it is already implemented in new farr, I am using 2.00.82.
Could you possibly add an option to exclude certain subfolders from search?
For example, I have installed Cygwin in c:\program files\ and I want to exclude it
from search because the Cygwin subfolder is really big (2GB).

alessio
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on June 07, 2007, 05:07 AM
armando, you have changed your avatar! am i the 1st to notice? :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 07, 2007, 07:21 AM
I have one feature request tough. Maybe it is already implemented in new farr, I am using 2.00.82.
Could you possibly add an option to exclude certain subfolders from search?

you can currently do this in a very cumbersome way by adding the folder to ignore on the pattern scoring tab but it's really an annoying way to make users to do it and prone to errors, and slows down search. 

So, let me add this feature today, it's clearly something needed.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: Armando on June 07, 2007, 01:12 PM
armando, you have changed your avatar! am i the 1st to notice? :)

Actually, you might be the 2nd.  :D

check this thread, you'll understand : https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=8787.new;topicseen#new
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.82 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - APRIL 26, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 07, 2007, 04:09 PM
alessio, new version with subfolder exclusion is now available.

New search folder dialog:
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on June 07, 2007, 11:05 PM
Hi mouser. I got really excited about the new version you put out today, but the original link you sent me to the alpha versions no longer works for some reason. Have you changed the location of the beta file?

Thanks! I'm looking forward to testing out the latest version.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on June 07, 2007, 11:19 PM
ah, i see now.. armando.. :)

to mouser, ini file thingy seemed to be working in the new version.. after installing, i just dropped the old renamed ini into the folder & nothing out of the ordinary happened.. :) btw, like teegee, i'm curious which is the new d/l link?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: alessio on June 08, 2007, 03:19 AM
alessio, new version with subfolder exclusion is now available.

Great! That is very useful addition. Thank you, Mouser.

alessio
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mmenfin on June 09, 2007, 04:12 AM
ok, i have found why my 2.00.82 version doesn't load. it is caused by the FARRfox plugin.
if i delete the farrfox.cfi file, farr loads and recreates a new one. the old one is empty (0 Ko). the same empty file with the 2.00.100 version works, FARR rewrite a new one without hanging.

don't known if it will help you, as the 100 version work fine, but...

 :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 10, 2007, 01:54 AM
Can anyone who has experienced any hanging try downloading the new version (2.00.104) and let me know if it ever hangs on you?  Armando really helped me track down at least one potential cause of it and maybe we'll get lucky and this will put an end to all hanging bugs.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: alessio on June 10, 2007, 05:08 AM
Can anyone who has experienced any hanging try downloading the new version (2.00.104) and let me know if it ever hangs on you?

I am also experiencing FARR v2.00.82 not starting up correctly. I have to manually kill the FARR in task manager, btw it is consuming
50% of CPU.

Mouser, could you send me link for new version?

alessio
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: JeffC on June 10, 2007, 10:37 AM
I am currently using v2.00.82 ALPHA but seem unable to download the latest alpha version using the normal link - has this changed?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on June 11, 2007, 04:35 AM
I am currently using v2.00.82 ALPHA but seem unable to download the latest alpha version using the normal link - has this changed?
yes, it has changed to a *top secret* location.. ;) PM mouser for the new location..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 12, 2007, 10:05 PM
just an fyi - with armando's help, the latest versions (2.00.108) seem to be not hanging any more, but what's even better is farr comes up faster now, and try as i might i cannot get it to miss any initial keystrokes after hitting the break key.  for those who suffered from this in the past, it's no small thing to have it (apparently) fixed. yipee  :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: 222fbj on June 12, 2007, 10:15 PM
FARR v2.00.108 (using FF plugin mostly)
Works great - and no problems so farr.

Thanks for this great app!  :Thmbsup:

Barrett
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: Armando on June 12, 2007, 11:19 PM
Very stable here too. And, mouser, I've been trying to fool farr too, sending keystrokes at the speed of light... But farr is quicker than me.
Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: alessio on June 13, 2007, 01:08 AM
I am using FARR 2.00.104 and it also works very reliably now. I haven't noticed any startup issues. And,  :Thmbsup:, it is very fast. Bravo, Mouser!

alessio
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: arun on June 13, 2007, 07:49 PM
i have been using 2.00.82 for a while now on two machines and have had no problems but i still want to trythe latest incarnation. can you please forward me the link. thanks
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: JeffC on June 16, 2007, 06:02 PM
I am using 2.00.108 and it has been very solid for me (although I am not 'stretching the envelope').  I LOVE this program.  The calculator is very cool as well.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: jnulu on June 18, 2007, 12:00 AM
Hi Mouser!

Glad to inform you that I find the latest version v2.00.108 to be very stable and
have not had any problems so far. Touch wood!  :)

JeffC - By the way, what is this Calculator you are referring to? A separate program
or is it a feature in FARR that I haven't discovered? :)

Thanks
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on June 18, 2007, 12:44 AM
he was referring to this: New FARR Plugin: FCalc (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=8769.0).. :)

(https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8769.0;attach=18716;image)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: jnulu on June 18, 2007, 10:29 AM
Looks great!  :up:
I'll check this out. Thanks, lanux 128
Regards

Jay
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: usfree74 on June 18, 2007, 07:43 PM
I am a little curious why mouser wouldn't simply put a link at the top of the this thread so that people can easily download it without PM. Anyone know the reason?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: Grorgy on June 18, 2007, 08:11 PM
mystery and anticipation , you'll enjoy it even more when you finally get it :P
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: usfree74 on June 18, 2007, 08:26 PM
That's true. The only trouble for me is that I PMed and wait for quite a while, no response. Looks like mouser processes the request manually :)

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 18, 2007, 09:56 PM
FARR is going public in July, and all this secret URL stuff will come to an end.
The real reason not to post it is to avoid it getting picked up on software listing sites -- i'd rather keep the userbase for v2 to people on this forum until i'm sure i'm not going to be making any new changes that could be hard to update.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: cosgrovedc on June 19, 2007, 11:33 AM
I am new to FFAR and I apologize if this is a really dumb question (I have searched the forums to no avail). I am running FFAR 2.00.108 on a Win2000 SP4 system, and I cannot see the column headers!

I get a FFAR window like this:

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And no matter what setting or skin I use, I always get a column-less display. Here are my current options:

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What am I doing wrong??
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 19, 2007, 11:41 AM
well that's a bug, no other way to explain it.  but one i've not seen before.
there is an option to hide the column headers but it's clear from the options that you don't have that option enabled.

if you exit the program completely and the restart it, do you still have the same problem?
i'm very interested in figure out what might cause this.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on June 19, 2007, 11:42 AM
Hi cosgrovedc!

Welcome to DC.

In the display mode you're using, there's no way to show the columns, as that information is under the name of the app.
You probably are looking for this option in the display tab:

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 19, 2007, 11:46 AM
ooops!!!
jgpaiva is right, in large icon slide mode, there are no headers.  i shall add code to gray out headers option when it is checked.

ps.
jgpaiva hasn't anyone told you it's rude to correct the author of a program and show you know it better than he does  :mad:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: cosgrovedc on June 19, 2007, 12:01 PM
Hooray, I got columns now! Thank you, jgpaiva!

   PS: Sorry, mouser, for fooling you.   :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: dizoriented on June 21, 2007, 06:46 AM
New feature with filename completion is great!
But I have question. How would I start program with parameters?
Thank you!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 21, 2007, 06:55 AM
good question..
you can't really provide parameters on the fly for any program.. though i could add a special modifier that would let you do that (not a bad idea).

i think they key insight though is that there are not going to be too many programs you actually need to provide arguments for i dont think, and you are well advise to create an alias for such programs.

to do this, just go to the aliases and create a new one, and provide a regular expression pattern for the program that looks something like:
myappnickname (.*)
and for the results, add this to the end of the launch string:
$$1


now you can launch this program with the arguments you wish by typing
myappnickname commandline arguments
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: hamradio on June 21, 2007, 02:11 PM
BUG ALERT BUG ALERT!

If max files to keep in launch history is 0 and the Add launched files to launch history is still checked it will throw a bug when you try to launch.  My suggestion for possible fix...if launch history gets changed to 0 or less uncheck the add launched files to launch history and make that box show a default number.

Edit: It is 2.00.108 also.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 21, 2007, 06:28 PM
thanks for the bug report, adding to my todo list to fix in next version.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: dizoriented on June 22, 2007, 06:00 AM
Just under normal use:

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Find and Run Robot
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Access violation at address 0043BEF1 in module 'FindAndRunRobot.exe'. Write of address 00000000.
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OK   
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 22, 2007, 07:10 AM
What version are you running diz? Do you remember what you were doing when the crash occurred?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: dizoriented on June 22, 2007, 08:19 AM
It's v2.00.108

I just fired up FARR with Ctrl-Space, wrote "FAR" (it's FAR manager :) ) and pressed Enter.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: dizoriented on June 22, 2007, 08:34 AM
That memory usage: is it just me, or is it normal?

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: dizoriented on June 22, 2007, 09:01 AM
If there is only one result, it's always first, therefore underlined option seems to be redundant.

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: dizoriented on June 22, 2007, 09:09 AM
"Show launch history initially" sounds more correct to me

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: kisskiss on June 25, 2007, 01:53 AM
A simple and useful software, looking very much forward to the stable release :-*
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: rjbull on June 25, 2007, 03:23 AM
If there is only one result, it's always first, therefore underlined option seems to be redundant.

I think it means that if you don't tick that box, you'd have to press "1" to launch, even though it's a single item.  If you do tick it, you can just press Enter    :tellme:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 25, 2007, 03:56 AM
the last two options are somewhat redundant, in that if you have "always launch first result on hitting enter", then the option "if there is only one result, launch it when hitting enter" is covered by this already, and checking or unchecking this box has no effect, and so should probably be grayed out.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: rjbull on June 25, 2007, 08:10 AM
*** BUG REPORT

Using FARR v.2.00.108:

(Very) minor bug in the read-only non-modifiable alias "search": the token for the third entry, AllTheWeb, reads "$$!" when it should read "$$1"

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 25, 2007, 10:13 AM
thanks for that, i'll fix in the next distribution.   actually i'd really like some help organizing and adding to the alias files that now come with far if anyone wants to try to improve that i'd welcome it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: johi on June 25, 2007, 12:33 PM
i don't quite have the time to search this thread, so i simply report it here:
when using fcalc with "digit keys launch result..." i can't type digits. maybe an option for plugins to turn this behaviour off while they're acitvated (like fc x=5 will work, but when i delete fc from the line i'm still able to launch results with the numbers)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: rbeeger on June 25, 2007, 12:37 PM
Hi Mouser,

The installer for FARR 2.00.108 is supposed to shut down any running FARR while installing. That didn't work here. It somehow shut down something, but the tray icon stayed and I had to click my way through a ton of access violation and other error popups. I canceled setup then, restarted Windows, exited FARR myself and run the setup.
That's not really a problem, but since it's meant to be a feature, I thought I'd mention this bug.

Cheers,
  Robert
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 25, 2007, 12:44 PM
thanks johi, good point about digit keys and plugins. i can certainly fix it so that for plugins that display pure text (like fcalc) instead of results, digit keys are allowed.

rbeeger, thank you for that report, that is troublesome -- has anyone else tried the new setup program that tries to close any running copy of farr and found it works or doesnt?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 25, 2007, 10:07 PM
rbeeger, i just realized that the ability to shut down running copy of farr wont work on older version of farr, just from now on.  can you try running the new installer again while your current new version is running, and see if it can shut it down ok, or if not, if it gives you a warning.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: jpreuss on June 27, 2007, 12:29 AM
I'm using FARR v2.00.99:
There is a bug, and I did'nt notice after a long time.
It's not finding anything when adding a Search Folder with a negative score

I have added C:\ as a search folder, with the score of -2000.50
It never uses this search folder.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: jpreuss on June 27, 2007, 03:16 AM
Another thing is that I can't seem to use the star on my keyboard (right side of keyboard).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: rjbull on June 27, 2007, 03:42 AM
Not a  bug, but a cosmetic oddity.  When I use the built in alias  "search"  for a phrase in quotes, thus:

search "steph swainston"

what I see in the FARR "command line" is small solid black squares for the double quotes, while in the list beneath it, double quotes appear normally.  Does the font used on the "command line" not contain double quotes?  Or is this a regional issue?

(BTW: Steph Swainston is an author of New Weird novels)

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: Babis on June 27, 2007, 04:01 AM
Hi mouser, the ? wildcard does not work for folders, although it works for files.

Is this a bug or supposed to work like this?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: rbeeger on June 29, 2007, 05:03 AM
rbeeger, i just realized that the ability to shut down running copy of farr wont work on older version of farr, just from now on.  can you try running the new installer again while your current new version is running, and see if it can shut it down ok, or if not, if it gives you a warning.

Hi Mouser I now installed #116 over #108 and it worked fine. I don't know whether it is possible, but if it is, it would be good if the installer could check whether it can shut down the running FARR instance. In the case that it cannot, it should show some kind of message and request the user to shutdown FARR himself before continuing the installation.
Seeing this flood of errors would probably be a shock for users upgrading from FARR1 to 2.

Cheers,
  Robert
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 29, 2007, 07:59 AM
Thanks Robert, that's exactly what's supposed to happen, but it wouldnt be the first time there is a difference between what happens and what's supposed to happen :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.100 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 07, 2007
Post by: elpresi on June 29, 2007, 07:25 PM
HI. I just installed v116 over v108 and I am happy to report that the FARRfox plugin now works :-)
Thanks Mouser
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 30, 2007, 02:29 PM
Version 2.00.116 has been updated as of June 30.
FARR v2 now works with my new Updater utility (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=9038.0) so now you can automatically install updates.

Vista Users:  It seems i reintroduced the old statusbar bug while adding latest font customization code. I'm working to fix that now.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 30, 2007, 08:49 PM
Vista users rejoice -- use the updater to grab the latest release (2.00.118) which now should display properly on Vista  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on June 30, 2007, 10:41 PM
Just upgraded to build 118, first for almost 2 months -- nice work as ever, mouser!!

In the plugin manager dialog, the button to GO to plugin webpage does not do anything for either farrfox or fcalc plugins. (FARR 118, Firefox 2.0.0.4). But even if this button did work, it wouldn't accomplish much because the listed web page does not seem to contain any usage info for these plugins. For example it would be good to proclaim the FCalc's ability to assign values to variables for use in subsequent calculations.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 30, 2007, 11:00 PM
good idea, i forgot i didnt set web pages for these plugins -- maybe ill send to the forum posts about them
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on June 30, 2007, 11:31 PM
To clarify: actually there is a (not useful) web page set for these 2 plugins but the GO button doesn't even go to it on my system (Win 2K SP4, Firefox 2.0.0.4)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: mouser on June 30, 2007, 11:32 PM
oh i see! thanks for the report, i'll fix.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on July 02, 2007, 06:29 AM
Well.. Now that farr has this great option: "show on taskbar when active", i'd like to ask for a small fix to it.
Currently, with that option, when we alt+tab out of farr, only after we press alt+tab twice does farr lose focus.

If you could fix this, mouser, it'd be great :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: yksyks on July 02, 2007, 07:53 AM
I can confirm this double Alt-Tab issue, however, when using SmartTab (http://www.smarttab.org), this doesn't occur.

(winXP SP2)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.116 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - June 30, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 02, 2007, 10:55 AM
I've created a special section for preview release download urls, accessible currently to supporting members only, but we will add people who request.  The download link for the alpha of FARR is now posted:

https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=217.0
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 02, 2007, 11:02 AM
tip:
try typing helpfarr or listfarr.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: rssapphire on July 02, 2007, 05:36 PM
Version 2.00.121 - July 1st, 2007 - ALPHA PREVIEW RELEASE

Mouser, this is the first new version I've tried since .100. You've fixed the problem I was having making a selection with the mouse instead of the keyboard. FARR now goes away after making a selection either with the mouse or keyboard just like it is supposed to.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 02, 2007, 06:20 PM
glad to hear it  :up:
slowly the bugs are melting away and version 2 public release is imminent.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: Juno on July 03, 2007, 05:50 PM
I just started using the .122 alpha, and everything seems great for me so far.

Got a question about the memory usage: it's chewing up approximately 19 MB of RAM after a few minutes of usage, and then stays like that. Is this normal, expected behaviour for FARR? And should this be an issue?

The memory settings in the options are all default.

It's not a huge deal for me, just wondering...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 03, 2007, 05:56 PM
yep thats about normal.
if you choose to release memory on minimization it should be about 5mb while minimized, but it may be slower to activate (give it a try).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: justice on July 03, 2007, 06:20 PM
Just want to congratulate mouser on this great app, can't say enough praise really. It's the start of everything I do on the pc, except for running a quick command prompt as the cmd alias is in the way ;-) Also, I can't find any more bugs and think it's definately ready for the public.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: jballi on July 04, 2007, 08:20 PM
v2.00.120

Please please please tell me, when did we stop using the tab key for navigation and started using it only for entering parameters!  I spent 20 minutes looking for a configuration parameter to return this function back to how it worked before but couldn't find anything.  It worked fine on the last version I tested (v2.00.083).

Hep me.  Everyone needs hep every once in while.

Thanks.


Edit:  Just for clarification...  For me the tab key would normally take to the first item in the list.  I would then use the up/down key for additional navigation.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 04, 2007, 08:22 PM
yes, jbali this was a recent change.
my reasoning was that the down arrow key can be used in edit box to switch to results view, and escape from results brings you back up to edit box, so i thought we could use tab for autocomplete.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: jballi on July 04, 2007, 08:52 PM
yes, jbali this was a recent change.
my reasoning was that the down arrow key can be used in edit box to switch to results view, and escape from results brings you back up to edit box, so i thought we could use tab for autocomplete.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Any chance of adding an option to return the tab functionally back to way it worked before?  ...and/or allowing to user to determine which keys (or key combinations) will be used for what function.   For example: Ctrl+Tab for autocomplete.

I only make a fuss because I'm a big keyboard user and for a form of this type (Edit field followed by a List field), the natural way to navigate from the Edit field to the List field (at least for me) is the tab key.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: taichimaster on July 04, 2007, 09:01 PM
yes, jbali this was a recent change.
my reasoning was that the down arrow key can be used in edit box to switch to results view, and escape from results brings you back up to edit box, so i thought we could use tab for autocomplete.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Any chance of adding an option to return the tab functionally back to way it worked before?  ...and/or allowing to user to determine which keys (or key combinations) will be used for what function.   For example: Ctrl+Tab for autocomplete.

I only make a fuss because I'm a big keyboard user and for a form of this type (Edit field followed by a List field), the natural way to navigate from the Edit field to the List field (at least for me) is the tab key.

Thank you for your consideration.

+1.  I am also used to using the tab key to switch to the results view.  This recent change of key assignment has threw me off a few times too.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 04, 2007, 09:10 PM
sounds reasonable -- i'll add back the option to use tab as normal, and alt+tab for autocomplete.

taichi has earned himself several feature requests, so anyone who can get taichi to support their request will find it on the todo list :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: jballi on July 04, 2007, 09:42 PM
sounds reasonable -- i'll add back the option to use tab as normal, and alt+tab for autocomplete.

taichi has earned himself several feature requests, so anyone who can get taichi to support their request will find it on the todo list :)

Thanks.  I think you'll make a lot of keyboard freaks like me a bit happier. :)

But and however, I'm fairly certain that you don't want to use Alt+Tab as an alternative to autocomplete since Alt+Tab already has a built-in system function. :o

Them be my thoughts...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 04, 2007, 09:50 PM
oops, good point, forgot about that.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: cemole on July 06, 2007, 01:52 AM
I just got the installer and ooooops, can't install if I'm not an admin!? I had no such difficulty before, so I'm assuming it was necessary for the new options, improvements etc. 
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 06, 2007, 02:16 AM
weird - i didn't mean to change anything that would require this :(
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: cemole on July 06, 2007, 02:34 AM
I just tried again and the same outcome. The error message (with a large, nasty X on left) states that I need to be logged on as an administrator to install the software. I guess nobody had this problem before, I'm thinking it must be a problem on my end. I had no problem installing as an admin but I prefer to install most of my stuff as a user.

As a side note though, I must say that I'm very impressed :Thmbsup: Congrats mouser, beta testers, plug-in and skin creators, i.e., everyone involved in v.2 of FARR.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 06, 2007, 03:26 AM
it could very well be something i inadvertantly changed in the installer.. thanks for pointing it out and i will do some more testing before public release.  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: rjbull on July 06, 2007, 03:40 AM
I just tried again and the same outcome. The error message (with a large, nasty X on left) states that I need to be logged on as an administrator to install the software.

I don't have full admin rights on the PC I use at work, but I installed FARR.  Can't remember which version, but I'm using 2.00.122 at the moment.  Of course, your restrictions may have some critical differences from mine.  In my case, I can't install anything in a subdirectory of c:\Program Files\ , I can't write anything into the StartUp directory for it to run on Windows start, I can't write files into the root directory though I can make directories off it (the system would hardly work without...) and I don't think I can edit the Registry.

What I've done is install FARR in C:\JUNK\FARR  , and that works fine.  I think I didn't use the installer, though.  Remember that FARR's installer is actually a self-extracting archive, so you can decompress it with your choice of archive utility and put the results anywhere.  I actually use the one built into my file manager, the outstandingly excellent Total Commander.

Because I can't write in the startup folder I can't set FARR to automatically load on system start.  But I run PowerPro, so I have a PowerPro button that says "Load standard set" (of programs), of which FARR and CHS are two  :)  Alternatively you could use, say, Horst Schaeffer (http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/)'s launcher PopSel from a hotkey and pick you choice off its menu.

@Mouser - I accidentally discovered that it seems possible to load two instances of FARR simultaneously, or at least, end up with two FARR icons in the system tray.  Should it trap that?


Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 06, 2007, 03:43 AM
@Mouser - I accidentally discovered that it seems possible to load two instances of FARR simultaneously, or at least, end up with two FARR icons in the system tray.  Should it trap that?

yep, on my todo list.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: cemole on July 06, 2007, 04:12 AM
What I've done is install FARR in C:\JUNK\FARR  , and that works fine.  I think I didn't use the installer, though.  Remember that FARR's installer is actually a self-extracting archive, so you can decompress it with your choice of archive utility and put the results anywhere.  I actually use the one built into my file manager, the outstandingly excellent Total Commander.

Thank you rjbull for your suggestions. As you have suggested, I've decompressed the installer and placed it in the temp file as is. Now it works without any problems. Obviously, it's the installer causing the problem.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: justice on July 06, 2007, 04:29 AM
What does the Properties... right click menu option do? It doesn't appear to do anything at he moment. If I want the properties of a result I have to go through Shell Context Menu -> Properties... instead. Might be a bug then.

And Search for All Matches... must be like a refresh of some sorts? Running the query again in case extra results have been added? Maybe this should be renamed refresh results in that case. It now comes across like farr does not search all matches by default.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: johi on July 06, 2007, 06:39 AM
feature request: for the alt+#, shift+# and ctrl+# give an option to insert the number instead of launching an item with the "digit keys launch..."-option enabled
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 06, 2007, 10:22 AM
Properties menu item should do exactly what Shell Context Menu -> Properties does.  Seems to work for me here -- maybe there is some cases where it's not working? If anyone can figure out more clues on when it doesn't work let me know.

Search for all matches -- i'm actually removing this from the menu, but you can get the same results by adding +sall to your search string.  It only has an effect when your search results have more than the number of results you have configured to display.  So for example you might normally show only the top 9 results, but when you use +sall you could get a hundred..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 06, 2007, 10:27 AM
johi, that's actually a pretty good idea.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: Veign on July 06, 2007, 03:18 PM
Small issue with the option window and overlapping buttons when the window is expanded.  See image

Title: Alias scripts won't work with "â" as RegEx pattern -- not a real bug, I guess...
Post by: Armando on July 06, 2007, 08:27 PM
I am not a regex expert, and so it took me a while to understand why my alias list blanked out... It's the "â" character. But, strangely, the "eotâsp" doesn't cause any problems. Anyhow. If someone knows why...

P.S. Mouser, by the way : since you fixed the "farr hanging" bug, I haven't got one BSOD. It could be just coincidence, but doesn't seem like it... ( 98% of the time, BSODs happened while using FARR) I am now a VERY happy camper.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.121 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 1, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 06, 2007, 08:35 PM
well i'm very happy to hear that regarding bsod.

if you send me the alias file and a description of how to reproduce the problem i shall have a look ([email protected])

ps. thanks for the report veign, its been fixed in the new version i have not uploaded yet.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 07, 2007, 04:52 PM
v2.00.125 is now up with a lot of bugfixes.
bugfixing will continue on the way to official public release this month.

note1: the updater will find and install this update for you.
note2: this version comes with all of taichi's new amazing plugins, as well as plugins from me and hamradio.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: rssapphire on July 07, 2007, 10:24 PM
v2.00.125 is now up with a lot of bugfixes.
bugfixing will continue on the way to official public release this month.

Sadly, I have to report that the bug that has the FARR window remaining on the screen (collapsed back to just the search edit line without results) after selecting a result with the mouse is back in .125. :o
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 07, 2007, 10:38 PM
after double clicking to launch a result?
does it matter if you are launching a file result or an alias?
remind me again the details please
Title: Missing Tooltips
Post by: brahman on July 08, 2007, 05:06 AM
Hi,

great work, Mouser! :Thmbsup:

One thing I am missing (I believe it was in previous releases) is the tooltip when f.e. the full name of the file does not fit in the column.

It is important, because I work with very long names for my Start Menu shortcuts, which explain in detail what the many sw do best.

Thanks. :)

Brahman
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: rssapphire on July 08, 2007, 07:18 AM
after double clicking to launch a result?

Exactly. I double-click to launch a result and FARR doesn't go away completely. If shrinks to just the search area (and will not accept any input into the edit line, even though the cursor there is flashing away)

does it matter if you are launching a file result or an alias?

Aliases that launch something have the problem.  The run alias, for example.

remind me again the details please

I hit alt-space to bring up FARR. I type text and double-click on Textpad in the result window.

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Textpad opens as expected, but the FARR window does not go away, it just shrinks, shedding the results, and just showing the edit line for entering a search term. The cursor is flasshing in the edit line, but you can't actually type anything. You can manually close the window -- which seems to be the only way to make it go away.

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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 08, 2007, 07:23 AM
And to confirm, it was fixed in the previous release you had?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: JeffC on July 08, 2007, 09:00 AM
I have just installed and am now running version .125 alpha.  I am getting similar behaviour - when I double click on a name in the main display the Find and Run application goes to the small window and stays - I have to press the close 'X' in the upper right corner of it's window.  It launches the program correctly, and I do NOT get this behaviour when I use a function key to launch or cursor down to the program name and press ENTER.

I first noticed this behaviour several releases ago - assumed it was something I was doing wrong (It usually is - on the computer and in life!) and was only a minor annoyance in a fabulously useful program.  I had the impression that .122 stopped this behaviour, but still got it on 1 or 2 occasions (and I wasn't paying attention to how I was launching the programs on those occasions; I was a BAD tester - I was actually enjoying using the program) but it's behaviour that is certainly there now on my machine.

I am running XP Pro SP2 if that's of any use.

Jeff Cranford
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 08, 2007, 09:02 AM
i changed a couple of things that could have revived this problem, but the absolute easiest way for me to fix it is if someone knows an older version that doesn't exhibit this behavior.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: JeffC on July 08, 2007, 09:06 AM
I will dig up my backup USB drive and see if my obsessive nature has led me to back up some of the earlier alpha versions and I will try uninstalling the current version and see if I can find a version that doesn't do this on my machine.

Jeff
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on July 08, 2007, 09:08 AM
What is really very weird is that on the version previous to the last one, i was observing that wrong behaviour, and now farr is perfect...
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 08, 2007, 09:10 AM
i can provide the previous version if rssapphire thinks it was working before this one.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: JeffC on July 08, 2007, 09:24 AM
I was able to find back versions: I had .60, .62, .78, .82, .108, .117, .122, and .125.  ALL of the versions keep Find and Run Robot running on the taskbar when I double click on the program name in the main file area.  However, there WAS a difference in behaviour between versions .82 and .108.  Prior to version .108 when I double click, FARR's window goes to the small window briefly, jumps back to the larger size with the filenames below and THEN runs the program I selected.  From version .108 on it just shrinks to the edit box and then runs the program.

Hope this helps.  I'm going to reinstall the most recent version again now - I'm addicted.

Jeff.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: rssapphire on July 08, 2007, 11:04 AM
i changed a couple of things that could have revived this problem, but the absolute easiest way for me to fix it is if someone knows an older version that doesn't exhibit this behavior.

I'm pretty sure it was .120 or .121 that worked fine as that's when I posted a message that the problem was gone. There were several autoupdates after that before I had to select an item other that the first one, so I'm not sure when it actually broke again.  (I have FARR set to give highest scores to a directory of shortcuts to my most used programs and files so most of the time what I want is the first item and I just hit enter.)

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: brahman on July 11, 2007, 01:48 PM
Hi Mouser,

thank you so much for adding the tooltips so quickly.

Works beautiful! Helps a lot to keep the window small yet see the whole thing.

Great!  :Thmbsup:

Regards,

Brahman
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: Liquidmantis on July 12, 2007, 11:06 AM
@Mouser - I accidentally discovered that it seems possible to load two instances of FARR simultaneously, or at least, end up with two FARR icons in the system tray.  Should it trap that?

yep, on my todo list.

Wait!  Please make it an option to have multiple instances if you do "fix" it.  I run FindAndRunRobot.exe locally on my systems but have FindAndRunRobotUSB.exe autorun from my utility program flash drive for portability.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on July 13, 2007, 08:34 AM
this is mostly super stuff. thanks!

i do have a problem with the incremental searching.

i get times then the list update takes ages. the problem seems to be most evident when i type a couple of letters, such as 'ho', and then realise i got it wrong, so i delete the 'o'... i then have to wait about 10 seconds for a screen update.

it feels as though i should be able to set something that says 'don't do incremental searching below a threshold of n characters' and then i could set it to 3 and everything would be fine.


jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 13, 2007, 08:56 AM
jack, what version are you using?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: justice on July 13, 2007, 08:56 AM
Try changing some of the parameters in the highlighted area in the screenshot. These are my settings to speed FARR up (don't load results > 9 cos you can't see them anyway etc.) and they make FARR a bit faster than the default settings.
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Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: brahman on July 13, 2007, 10:12 AM
Hmmm.....

what is the "extended results list"?  :-[

If I set "max entries to reply in normal results" to 9, that's all I ever get to see.

In the Help, Results Window Operation there is a screen shot which shows "search for all matches" but not so in my context menu.I thought that may be a way to display more results on demand, but it is not there.

What have I misconfigured?  :huh:

Regards,

Brahman
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 13, 2007, 10:39 AM
add +sall to your search to see more results (i removed it from the context menu).

the extended results list is used mainly for directory browsing+completion.  for example, type c:\ and youll see.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on July 13, 2007, 01:37 PM
i'm using 2.00.128

i have settings not too dissimilar from those shown by justice. i've been experimentining with them a little... currently:

max files in history: 50
max entries to display: 15 ( a  recent change, mostly i've been on 9)
max entries in extended: 30

however, the problem is not general performance or general searching. it's when the search seems to be for one or perhaps two characters, resulting in over 400 hits (although only a small fraction are displayed, of course)

jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 13, 2007, 10:33 PM
New version posted -- the updater tool should have picked it up and installed it for you if you are using it.
(the updater now knows how to smoothly update plugins without ever exiting farr, for maximum convenience).

New version has sine nice new fixes, including much faster directory browsing.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on July 14, 2007, 12:42 AM
i'm using .129

Tab completion problem...


when i start with 'C:\Program Files' the first item in the listing is 'C:\Program Files'.  pressing Tab does nothing, which is not surprising because the first entry matches what i just typed. Tab does pick up whatever line i put the cursor on, but i can't get the top entry because it's the same as the current text.

i haven't tried the Tab before, so i'm not sure whether this is a bug or a feature... but it feels like a bug.

cheers


jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 14, 2007, 12:45 AM
i'm not sure if it's a bug either.. it's waiting for you to type something to tell it which directory to go into next, since the first directory listed is exactly what you have in your editbox.

i could make tab in this case autocomplete the NEXT item, which is the first child subdirectory of the current directory.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on July 14, 2007, 03:17 AM
i think that would be a good thing to do, although it might be a little confusing. it's difficult to tell without experiencing it :)

jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on July 14, 2007, 04:55 AM
"c:\program files" appears as the first result because that's intended to be launched by pressing -enter-. It wouldn't make sense not to be the first result, since that's the best match for the text on the editbox.

As for having -tab- autocompleting to the first entry after "c:\program files", that sounds a bit confusing, it'll probably surprise people.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: justice on July 14, 2007, 07:38 AM
Woah browsing directories is blazingly fast now! Right that's Folderscout of the disk then!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 14, 2007, 11:05 AM
I have now uploaded version 2.00.130

I have made a big under-the-hood change the way that the window is refreshed with new contents.

There is a fair chance that this update will have a bug or two in display updating in some cases but i wanted to push it out to get bug reports coming in as soon as possible.

The new refresh is *MUCH* smoother -- if you try out previous versions, expecially in directory browsing, you would see lots of "flickering" as new window contents were updated and window was shrunk and resized.  You should find now a much gentler update of window contents.

Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on July 14, 2007, 11:38 AM
now trying .130

i can't tell whether it's much smoother, cos it's running on my work machine and i need a vpn connection to it today.

however, i discovered that my long wait problem seems to depend on which folders it searches. when i include the desktop the searches can take ages. remove the desktop, it's quick. put the desktop back again and it's slow.

does this make any possible sense? is there something different about the desktop?

jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 14, 2007, 12:02 PM
I have made a big under-the-hood change the way that the window is refreshed with new contents.

There is a fair chance that this update will have a bug or two in display updating in some cases but i wanted to push it out to get bug reports coming in as soon as possible.

The new refresh is *MUCH* smoother -- if you try out previous versions, expecially in directory browsing, you would see lots of "flickering" as new window contents were updated and window was shrunk and resized.  You should find now a much gentler update of window contents.

Let me know what you think.

this rocks !  :D
mo more flickering
 :Thmbsup:

Implemented small (500ms) delay between updating of results -- yields much faster directory browsing and somewhat faster display of results when there are lots of results.
It would be great if one could set up the delay between updating of results...
I almost always use FARR with aliases (folder modifier with action modifier, ...) so in fact i have the impression the delay (even small) does not yield to faster display of results
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 14, 2007, 12:08 PM
what i can do is force update IMMEDIATELY after aliases are found, which would solve this problem.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 14, 2007, 01:27 PM
@mouser

i'm mainly using "dosearch alias", so i'm not sure it would work

i type the "dosearch alias", then the search terms...

Cheers, Nitrix
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on July 14, 2007, 01:47 PM
130... much cleaner display, lovely.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 15, 2007, 06:40 AM
@mouser,

since the new "refresh result routines", i have the impression that the search edit box is not as "free" as before
sometimes there is a (very very small) delay to show what i type or what i delete

i reinstalled a previous version (a private 2.00.129 where the refresh routines were not implemented yet) and although there are many flickering...
the search edit box feels much more responsive

In conclusion, i prefer the responsiveness of the search edit box than the "non flickering" of the result list
(that is if we cannot have both ! ;))

if it is only linked to the new small delay implemented between result updating, i would be great to be able to set it (even in the FARR ini...)

Keep up the good work  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 15, 2007, 07:49 AM
i'm working to make it feel more responsive.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.129 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 13, 2007
Post by: zajc on July 16, 2007, 11:58 AM
I noticed the same issue as "nitrix-ud".

Anyway, keep up the good work :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 18, 2007, 12:00 AM
new version is up -- those of you who prefered the old refresh method -- can you see if this one is any better.

keep in mind, yes there is a slight delay now between your keypress and the update of the display of results, but in fact the underlying search should be a little faster.

that's not to say that you won't prefer the old method. just a reminder that we aren't talking about a slower search.

anyway, let me know what you think since i'm making some hard decisions here about how this should work.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 18, 2007, 04:19 AM
new version is up -- those of you who prefered the old refresh method -- can you see if this one is any better.

it's not that i prefer the old refresh method, it's more that i prefer the old feel of the search box
i just feel it is not as "free" as before ... when typing or backspacing

keep in mind, yes there is a slight delay now between your keypress and the update of the display of results, but in fact the underlying search should be a little faster.

the delay between keypresses and update of the display of results is not my concern (although it would be great to choose which it is), what really concerns me is the fact I feel that the search box is linked to the display of results...
i'm not in the internals of FARR here... but is it possible to have a routine monitoring the search box and taking care of updating instead of (WARNING !!!   :D WILD GUESS) keypresses in the search box launching updates (with delays) of the display of results...

[edit]
i forgot to tell you that IT IS better !!
keep up the good work
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on July 18, 2007, 04:41 AM
I wasn't one who preferred the old refresh method, but I *was* silently concerned with a slight new feel of unresponsiveness which I did not analyze earlier. With the newest version, I think I can pin it down as follows (seems that this is what nitrix is saying too):

Yes, the result display is better. But the feel of unresponsiveness is not because of the result display but because of the display of the keys as I type them (just that one line). The user should never have any doubt whether her keystrokes have been received... or worse, be in any doubt about what keystrokes she has already typed. When a keystroke is received, top priority should be to update this line.

Mind you, this is really borderline, really close to perfect, just not quite.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: justice on July 18, 2007, 04:46 AM
Actually I think it's perfect in build 133, the delay is not in the input box but only in the result view, which means in total the app is speedier. I guess it's similar to how browsers build up webpages, some wait till the page is complete, some build them up every so often, and really old ones show all the content jumping up and down  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 18, 2007, 05:06 AM
Yes, the result display is better. But the feel of unresponsiveness is not because of the result display but because of the display of the keys as I type them (just that one line). The user should never have any doubt whether her keystrokes have been received... or worse, be in any doubt about what keystrokes she has already typed. When a keystroke is received, top priority should be to update this line.

Mind you, this is really borderline, really close to perfect, just not quite.

exactly what i wanted to say, thanks jdmarch  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on July 18, 2007, 05:07 AM
i found the performance problem with including Desktop in the search.

i had a shortcut that went to something like:

     \\DeadComputer

i deleted the shortcut and the performance problem disappeared. everything is just super now!

jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.132 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: TucknDar on July 18, 2007, 05:12 AM
But the feel of unresponsiveness is not because of the result display but because of the display of the keys as I type them (just that one line). The user should never have any doubt whether her keystrokes have been received... or worse, be in any doubt about what keystrokes she has already typed. When a keystroke is received, top priority should be to update this line.

Mind you, this is really borderline, really close to perfect, just not quite.
Have to agree with this. FARR is such a great app, and some excellent new and improved features, but the slight delay is a bit annoying. Could the behaviour be optional?
Title: Add-remove program shortcut fails
Post by: jdmarch on July 18, 2007, 06:46 AM
mouser, a multi-layered problem using FARR to run "add-remove program" (ARP).

1. FARR's ARP link doesn't work for me, either from FARR or directly from explorer. When it's invoked, nothing happens.

2. FARR's other CPL links seem to work fine, which is puzzling to me since (browsing their guts) they all seem to point to C:\WINDOWS\.... which does not exist on my system (my system is in D:\WINNT\). I guess Windows is smart enough to translate C:\WINDOWS to the actual system dir.

3. I have my own shortcut to ARP (it refers to D:\WINNT\...) which works fine from explorer but does not work from FARR (FARR finds it ok but when it is invoked, nothing happens, just as with FARR's own shortcut.) I reported (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6624.msg60395#msg60395) this 3 months ago. At the time, you informed me that FARR now provides a full set of control panel links. From my response at the time, it appears that I was then able to run ARP using the FARR shortcut, but I don't actually remember this, and I'm not sure I really believe it given the above.

I'm running Win2K SP4.

Thanks!
====
Edit: Further investigation... this does not seem to be a FARR-specific issue. I wrote a batch file which invokes my own ARP link. If I call the batch file from within a command-line window, ARP starts, but if I invoke it from explorer, it does not. So there's something very screwy on my system about within what context ARP will start or not. I will not be able to spend much time investigating this further, unfortunately.

P.S. Could somebody else who runs Win2K on drive D: please try starting ARP using FARR's CP shortcut?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.125 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 7, 2007
Post by: rssapphire on July 19, 2007, 01:04 PM
I have just installed and am now running version .125 alpha.  I am getting similar behaviour - when I double click on a name in the main display the Find and Run application goes to the small window and stays - I have to press the close 'X' in the upper right corner of it's window.  It launches the program correctly, and I do NOT get this behaviour when I use a function key to launch or cursor down to the program name and press ENTER.

While trying to help Mouser track this bug down by trying older versions this morning, I stumbled on to what may be the problem (when I accidentally deleted my FARR .ini file instead of the FARR .exe).  FARR regenerated a default ini file -- and suddenly worked again.  By going through and modifying the default ini it generated one item at a time until FARR broke, I discovered that if I set Inactive Memory Use (In the General Tab) to either Minimal or Average, I got the weird selection with mouse behavior. When left Inactive Memory Use in the default "Stay in Memory Longer" setting, FARR works just like it is supposed to.  You might check this on your system.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 20, 2007, 03:58 PM
great working tracking this down, rssapphire.  i'm going to try to fix the behavior asap.

meanwhile, version 1.00.135 is now up, with a MAJOR new feature - a completely reworked hotkey system (see the new Hotkeys tab).  This makes it easy to create a variety of hotkeys that bring up far in different ways.

To demonstrate the new features, iadded a new default hotkey: ctrl+break.
To use it, select some text in any program and hit ctrl+break.  The text should be copied to the clipboard for you automatically, and FARR brought up with "search %cliptext%" in the editbox, resulting in a web search menu to select from.  Of course you can customize the hotkeys and make as many as you want.

ps. for those of you who have been nagging me to support Winkey hotkeys you can now relax (yes Josh i'm talking to you!)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: JeffC on July 20, 2007, 05:44 PM
While trying to help Mouser track this bug down by trying older versions this morning, I stumbled on to what may be the problem (when I accidentally deleted my FARR .ini file instead of the FARR .exe).  FARR regenerated a default ini file -- and suddenly worked again.  By going through and modifying the default ini it generated one item at a time until FARR broke, I discovered that if I set Inactive Memory Use (In the General Tab) to either Minimal or Average, I got the weird selection with mouse behavior. When left Inactive Memory Use in the default "Stay in Memory Longer" setting, FARR works just like it is supposed to.  You might check this on your system.

I still get the behaviour and my memory setting is the default one.  I haven't tried deleting the .ini file yet but will do so as soon as I get a chance.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Josh on July 20, 2007, 06:57 PM
MOUSEY!

It works! Oh my living bob! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Expect a big wet sloppy........donation from me soon (I know what you dirty minded people were thinking! shame shame shame)

It rocks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on July 20, 2007, 07:33 PM
the ctrl+break hotkey is very useful!  :) In general, making FARR aware of what application had focus before FARR, what text was selected in it and so on is great.

One idea: FARR could create some special aliases/variables each time it is called up (regardless of the hotkey pressed). One for the application that had focus before FARR, one for the the selected text in that application (if any) or the selected file(s) (in the case of an Explorer like application).

example: User uses notepad.exe with the text "football is a really great sport - I just love it" selected. Starts FARR, types "addnote selected" and thus adds the whole selected text to the notefile.

example2: user uses Firefox. Starts FARR, types "pkill active" and thus kills Firefox.

With such variables, the user can stick to one single hotkey and still tie the functionality in FARR to the context FARR was started in.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 20, 2007, 07:44 PM
farr actually does track the program that was active before it was triggered, and i will be adding variables for accessing window name, exe name, pid (process id), so that you could do the things you are talking about with pkill example.

i'm not sure i followed your notepad example though..

what i thought you were starting to suggest, which is a very interesting idea, was to trigger different responses based on the program running when you hit the hotkey..  definitely an interesting idea..  so if you brought up farr while working in Outlook, you might have farr start up with your alias for outlook clip text pasting menu.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on July 20, 2007, 08:07 PM
farr actually does track the program that was active before it was triggered, and i will be adding variables for accessing window name, exe name, pid (process id), so that you could do the things you are talking about with pkill example.
:Thmbsup:

My notepad example was unclear. What I meant is perhaps clearer here:
User selects the text "football is a really great sport - I just love it" in some window. Starts FARR, types "addnote selected" and thus adds the whole selected text to the notefile. The first part, "addnote", is an already existing alias. The second part, "selected" is the variable for the selected text. End result: the notefile associated with addnote gets appended with "football is a really great sport - I just love it"

Another question (probably an old newbie question but I didnt find an answer on a quick search): sometimes a search gets 10-30 matches. If I have set FARR max entries to display to 10, can I still jump to results 10-20, 20-30 ... somehow? For example, can I redo the same search but this time around (temporarily, for this search only) ignore the previous 10 matches?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 20, 2007, 08:15 PM
Another question (probably an old newbie question but I didnt find an answer on a quick search): sometimes a search gets 10-30 matches. If I have set FARR max entries to display to 10, can I still jump to results 10-20, 20-30 ..

add +sall to your search.

The second part, "selected" is the variable for the selected text.
This is *supposed* to work already when you type $c but it doesnt seem to be working.. fixing now.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on July 20, 2007, 08:34 PM
thanks!
edit:
The second part, "selected" is the variable for the selected text.
This is *supposed* to work already when you type $c but it doesnt seem to be working.. fixing now.
When starting FARR with CTRL+BREAK then "addnote $c" works for me. I want FARR to always keep track of the previously selected text, but I'm not sure if I want it to always put that text on the clipboard. I want it on the clipboard only when I trigger some command in FARR and FARR needs to put stuff on the clipboard to carry out that command. So if I open FARR and then just close it again, I'd want my clipboard contents prior to starting FARR to be intact.

Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: zpyang on July 22, 2007, 02:19 PM
Could you give me a copy for testing? Thank you.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 22, 2007, 02:23 PM
So if I open FARR and then just close it again, I'd want my clipboard contents prior to starting FARR to be intact.

this was one of the reasons i totally redid the hotkey system.  now it works exactly as you say -- you can configure a specific hotkey (ctrl+break by default) to copy selected text to clipboard when launching farr.  other hotkeys (break or whatever), wont do this.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: justice on July 23, 2007, 03:06 AM
Not sure if the hotkey system is working in vista. The build in hotkeys work, but I'm unable to get any of my own hotkeys work. I tried to attach Klipkeeper to windows+space and even alt-pause/break, but no success. I'll try tonight at home to do the same on XP to see if its me.
http://www.screencast.com/t/CwK3zr07eC

It would be great to see if we can use any key to assign hotkeys, at some point. Many people might not have media keys on the keyboard. Maybe for version 2.5 or later.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: hornsts on July 23, 2007, 07:13 AM
The new enhancements and plugins are really great!  :Thmbsup:

I didn't found a post about this, so I hope it's not mentioned before.
When using the special search phrases historys or historyl, the +sall modifier is not working.

The behavior of both special search phrases is:
- historyl shows results to the "max. entries in normal result list"-value
- historys always shows results to the limit of 20 (I guess it's an internal value?!)

Based on version 2.00.137.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on July 23, 2007, 10:22 AM
So if I open FARR and then just close it again, I'd want my clipboard contents prior to starting FARR to be intact.
this was one of the reasons i totally redid the hotkey system.  now it works exactly as you say -- you can configure a specific hotkey (ctrl+break by default) to copy selected text to clipboard when launching farr.  other hotkeys (break or whatever), wont do this.

Ok, just so that I understand things, is this how FARR v2 will work:

- One variable, $c, will always have the clipboard contents.
- If FARR is started with a special hotkey (CTRL+BREAK by default) then the clipboard (and so $c) will be filled with whatever was selected in the last active window.
- No matter if such a special hotkey is used or not, FARR will always put last active window name, exe name, pid (process id) and whatever was selected in that window in other variables.

Some other thoughts:

Is support for selecting multiple results items (similar to selecting multiple files in Explorer) planned?

When selecting a result, and dragging it outside FARR a "copy-here-plus-mouse-pointer" is displayed. In Explorer, pressing right click while dragging cancels the copy action (and a regular pointer without the plus reappears). Not so in FARR. ESC cancels the drag action in FARR just like in Explorer though.

Regarding "+sall": two natural hotkeys for adding/removing that phrase from the textbox could be CTRL+PAGEDOWN/PAGEUP (if there's no other planned use for them that is)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 23, 2007, 11:55 AM
Is support for selecting multiple results items (similar to selecting multiple files in Explorer) planned?
very good idea, i would love it for my music search alias ... select multiple and then do action on it...

even better, select multiple items in a file explorer (windows explorer, total commander, directory opus, ...)
invoke FARR (with a specific hotkey)
FARR opens with all the selected files/folders as a result list...
then perform actions (zip, email, image resize, etc...)

Regarding "+sall": two natural hotkeys for adding/removing that phrase from the textbox could be CTRL+PAGEDOWN/PAGEUP (if there's no other planned use for them that is)
very good idea
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on July 23, 2007, 02:58 PM
Nitrix-ud & others, using CTRL+PAGEUP/DOWN as hotkey in FARR for adding/removing +sall can be "testdriven" with the Autohotkey script below:

^PgDn::
IfWinActive, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
{
ControlGetText, xvar, TEdit1, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
ControlSetText, TEdit1, %xvar% +sall, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
}
return

^PgUp::
IfWinActive, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
{
ControlGetText, xvar, TEdit1,  %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
StringReplace, xvar, xvar, %A_Space%+sall,,1
ControlSetText, TEdit1, %xvar%, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
}
Return
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 23, 2007, 03:10 PM
Thanks Nod5

i thought i could not control Find and Run Robot with autohotkey until now....
there is a space before the title... i missed that !

cheers
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 23, 2007, 03:35 PM
well in fact it seems i cannot control anything  :(

@Nod5
F12::
ControlGetText, xvar, TEdit1, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
ControlGetText, xvar2, TPanel1, %A_space%Find and Run Robot v2 ahk_class TMainForm
Msgbox %xvar% %xvar2%
return

i'm trying to access the TPanel1 text (the status bar)
the code above does not work 
do you have an idea ?

same question for the result list...etc.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jOc on July 23, 2007, 04:55 PM
Absolutely fabulous. I like it. The interface is still clean and it is even more responsive. I like the way it can be configured.

In a meanwhile a colleague pointed me to dash. Althogh nice presentation, the program is far from being as good as farr   :-[

But I do have a minor comment. It took me about 10 minutes to remove almoust all built in aliases and plugins. Although I did steal a few aliases and include them in my personal ones (I like the thing with icons). I would prefer a clean installation, without plugins and without aliases (just keeping existing personal). To remove some aliases I had to manually edit the xml file.

Mouser, your progy rules!

jOc
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on July 23, 2007, 04:58 PM
Sorry jOc, but i don't understand what you mean. Why did you take so much time to remove them?
You could only disable each of them (and they are only 10 or something) by clicking the box highlighted in the next image:
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[edit] Also, for more info in Dash vs Farr, see this thread (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=9268.0) [/edit]
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 23, 2007, 05:04 PM
jOc: welcome to the site, and thanks for the kind words about FARR.  You've probably gathered by now that the software on our site is heavily driven by user comments here on the forum, so keep the suggestions coming -- we take them extremely seriously.

as jgpaiva points out, it's very important that you solve this by disabling the built in aliases (and then doing what you said you did, copying the ones you like to your personal alias file/folder).

why?
the reason these alias files are marked as read-only and make it so hard for you to modify them is because they are replaces when the program is updated.  this approach was actually a lot of work, but i implemented it specifically so that we could allow users to easily modify their own aliases, and share aliases, while still making it possible to update aliases (both included with farr and shared by others), without risking erasing the users aliases.  so that's why that checkbox is there, so you can always disable an alias file, and then even if it gets updated it won't affect you.

now to your other point:
I would prefer a clean installation, without plugins and without aliases (just keeping existing personal).
i've been debating this back and forth with myself for a couple of weeks leading up to farr 2 release.  i am leaning towards making it a lean download without any plugins, but making it really easy to install new plugins using the updater tool.  Inlcuding alias files is not as tough a decision since they are so small and lightweight..
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on July 24, 2007, 07:57 AM
nitrix-ud: No, I don't know how to grab the status bar text in FARR. The autohotkey command StatusBarGetText doesn't work in this case either.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on July 24, 2007, 08:17 AM
@Nod5

thanks anyway...

i hope mouser will add a way to manipulate/get FARR info...

Cheers
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jOc on July 24, 2007, 05:35 PM
Hey mouser and jgpaiva,
please don't be bothered by my comments. As I said FARR is of great value to me, and I will donate some 50 bucks, because I know what it means to develop a great SW. I have never used any services as pay pal or sth similar, but I will learn.

I am a kind of user, that really streams to have in installation and in memory only whats needed. I hate (=don't use) progiz that have millions of features and have fancy resource-eating GUI. I like progiz, where the philosophy keep-it-sweet-and-simple is taken into account.

I wrote 10 mins, but that was partially my fault. I was curious if there is anything usefull. And because I am new to FARRv2 I needed some tome to get familiar with this idea of multiple aliases and also plugins were new for me. Please do not take me wrong, I like this plugins idea (actually I left nwconn and plist), but I have deleted others. I don't need them. And they just make mess when I need to configure stuff. Also with aliases it took me some time to realize there are sections of aliases that could be disabled. Actually I deleted them from a folder (again they just do mess @ configuring).

Now I know all this stuff and next time, it would only take me 1 minute do delete what I don't need.

The improvement I do like very much is browsing through folders. I have a folder for which I have set high score. In that folder I put links to folders I use often. What I like is, if I start to type the name of the link (that is in that folder, having favorits links) and pres tab the alias for the link is resolved into path and you can directly browse in that *favorits* folder.

I don't know if anybody asked for that or it is maybe implemented. One thing I miss (slickRun for example had (actually it still has, but I don't use it anymore) that) if you type something that FARR can not catch that it threw it to system (like you were typing to Run box). This way you could simply type cmd and get console, or maybe regedit... And you would not need aliases for www and similar, because all that works in Run box.

 :Thmbsup:

Thanks for all good work!

Regards,jOc
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 24, 2007, 05:46 PM
Thanks for the nice post jOc, let me respond to some of your comments:

please don't be bothered by my comments. As I said FARR is of great value to me, and I will donate some 50 bucks, because I know what it means to develop a great SW. I have never used any services as pay pal or sth similar, but I will learn.

Note that you do not have to donate $50 -- you can donate whatever you want.

One thing I miss (slickRun for example had (actually it still has, but I don't use it anymore) that) if you type something that FARR can not catch that it threw it to system (like you were typing to Run box).

Josh actually asked for this and i kind of implemented it in an odd way -- i need to add an alias to make it easier to use. Basically i added a way to tell farr what to do if there are no results found.  See the "The noresults alias" help topic in Advanced Use:
You can now create a special alias called noresults.
If user hits enter when no results are shown, this alias will be triggered.
It can be useful if you want to do something like launch what they type directly (as if it was on path), or invoke another search program, etc.  Just use $$1 in the results.
I will make a default alias for this to make it easier to use.

The improvement I do like very much is browsing through folders. I have a folder for which I have set high score. In that folder I put links to folders I use often. What I like is, if I start to type the name of the link (that is in that folder, having favorits links) and pres tab the alias for the link is resolved into path and you can directly browse in that *favorits* folder.

just to make sure: you are saying this is something you already can do, not requesting something new?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Lashiec on July 24, 2007, 05:58 PM
mouser, I've been experiment with FARR this night, and I have a technical question. Does it really make a difference in reaction time to have the heaviest or the lightest memory profile in "Inactive memory use"? I'm not noticing anything, and I remember correctly, I didn't have speed problems in the old workhorse.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 24, 2007, 06:22 PM
the only difference these settings make is in waking up from the system tray after a long time of non-use.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jOc on July 25, 2007, 02:57 PM
Josh actually asked for this and i kind of implemented it in an odd way -- i need to add an alias to make it easier to use. Basically i added a way to tell farr what to do if there are no results found.  See the "The noresults alias" help topic in Advanced Use:
You can now create a special alias called noresults.
If user hits enter when no results are shown, this alias will be triggered.
It can be useful if you want to do something like launch what they type directly (as if it was on path), or invoke another search program, etc.  Just use $$1 in the results.
I will make a default alias for this to make it easier to use.

Aha. I thought there might already be a solution. Thanks!

But I have played with it and I don't get it. Should there be any search pattern? For example, how to throw regedit keyword to system, like it would be throug standard windows run box?

The improvement I do like very much is browsing through folders. I have a folder for which I have set high score. In that folder I put links to folders I use often. What I like is, if I start to type the name of the link (that is in that folder, having favorits links) and pres tab the alias for the link is resolved into path and you can directly browse in that *favorits* folder.

just to make sure: you are saying this is something you already can do, not requesting something new?
Of course this works. And I use it all the times. For example if you would like to browse through a folder that is deep in the hierarchy of the hard disk, what you can do is to put a link to that folder into the folder that FARR seeks. You then just type the name that you gave to link and press type and voila, FARR throws you to that folder and you can search inside that target folder.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Trilinea on July 25, 2007, 06:48 PM
MOUSER = AWESOME! FARR ALPHA = AWESOME!  :Thmbsup:

Thank you!

:)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: xbz on July 27, 2007, 01:28 AM
Trying FARR v2 and i love it!

But.. i want to use FARR as a launchbar, so i need it to be always on top, always on screen, it is possible but it looks like this [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

captition is surely unnecessary here, but it cannot be turned off

second problem, when i run shortcut behind the ">>" on toolbar, i don't know how to explain... shortcut "jumps" to start of the toolbar, i thinks this is feature, but I really hate it, all shortcuts change over and over, i wish i could turn it off..

two more things and i'll love FARR forever, but it just my dreams :)
Folders for shortcuts on toolbar
Results list folding upwards not downwards, so i can place FARR at the bottom of the screen


Thanks! I love FARR!  ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Armando on July 27, 2007, 02:13 AM
Trying FARR v2 and i love it!

But.. i want to use FARR as a launchbar, so i need it to be always on top, always on screen, it is possible but it looks like this [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Don't you use farr to launch stuff using your... keyboard?  :)

farr appears and disappears when you hit the "break" key (Can also be configured to work with (Alt+Space), (Ctrl+Space) etc.). Why would you need it to be permanently there?

And you can turn the caption off by selecting another skin  : open the "Options" window, click on the "Display" tab, enable "Use fancy skinned display", choose the "slenderFARR.skn"

You could also play with transparency.


Have fun
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: xbz on July 27, 2007, 03:04 AM
Don't you use farr to launch stuff using your... keyboard?  :)

farr appears and disappears when you hit the "break" key (Can also be configured to work with (Alt+Space), (Ctrl+Space) etc.). Why would you need it to be permanently there?
Why FARR have toolbar with buttons? Isn't toolbar is for mouse? I prefer permanent toolbar, not hitting "break" before using toolbar with my mouse :)

Thanks for the skin tip, FARR looks better without captition, but it is still thick, is there any skin to make it more more thin :) It would be perfect if FARR fit my browser captition, not covering the browser menu buttons
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on July 27, 2007, 03:42 AM
you can drag the divider where the toolbar is far to the right to completely hide it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Armando on July 27, 2007, 01:08 PM
Thanks for the skin tip, FARR looks better without captition, but it is still thick, is there any skin to make it more more thin :) It would be perfect if FARR fit my browser captition, not covering the browser menu buttons

Maybe someone will be willing to make such a skin. I wouldn't know how to do it though.

You should also have a look at LaunchBar Commander https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/LaunchBarCommander/index.html.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: xbz on July 28, 2007, 12:01 PM
strange behavior for some cyrillic letters
try "search роутер"
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: xbz on July 29, 2007, 12:13 AM
you can drag the divider where the toolbar is far to the right to completely hide it.

Could you make butons on toolbar just stand on their places? Thats all i want



To make FARR thiner
Options -> Plugins, etc -> EditBox Height
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jsturtridge on July 30, 2007, 09:24 AM
Mouser,

Minor point UI/usability point.  I've got a lot of aliases in "my_aliases" (more than a screenful) and when I want to move an alias from the top to the bottom - I would expect to be able to drag the alias to the bottom of the visible window and since there are more aliases off the page - it would scroll automatically until the end of the alias list was reached - but it doesn't.

Minor point though - all the rest looking good.

J.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Code6226 on August 01, 2007, 02:19 PM
Bug with Uninstaller plugin (which I love, btw): When you uninstall something, it is not removed from the list.
It would be really nice if the list of installed programs refreshed on its own after you uninstall something... or at least remove that particular program.
I know, the program is not removed from the registry list until after the particular Uninstaller is done doing its thing, and it's hard to say when that is... but it's not that hard.
Worst case you could Launch the uninstaller with another helper program, which would ExecWait the Uninstaller, and once closed, refresh the list.
That would give proper results no matter if the Uninstaller was canceled or succeeded.

Other than that, great work!

PS: Still wish there was Fuzzy Search like Launchy has so I can find "noetpad", but no biggy. ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 01, 2007, 02:24 PM
Still wish there was Fuzzy Search like Launchy has so I can find "noetpad", but no biggy.

can you be a little clearer about what you mean?

ah i see you want when you type noetpad for it to find notepad, despite the bad spelling, even without adding it as a special alias. i'm afraid thats not coming anytime soon, however i will probably try to add a first word abreviation thing where if you type a few letters like np it will match notepad.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on August 01, 2007, 04:05 PM
I've noticed a small GUI-related thing...

If I set FARR v2.00.135 to
- checked: options > auto-shrink window to fit results
- unchecked: options > alpha fade into view
- set to some degree: options > window transparency
(... perhaps some other setting - i've played around with many of them)
I then get a very brief but clearly noticeable black colored FARR results window when launching FARR. It's as if the whole results part of the window first gets painted black in a flash and then quickly re-painted like it should be. I hope that description makes sense - I can't think of a better way to put it.

Changing any of the three settings above removes the brief "black flash"
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 01, 2007, 04:09 PM
thanks nod, i'll look into it. sounds like the transparancy stuff may be causing some troubles.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Armando on August 02, 2007, 10:30 AM
There seem to be a little bug with the "Plugins, Updates, Fonts"-->"Advanced Custom Font Configuration". Don't know if anybody mentionned it yet.

When I start changing the "EditBox Height" value, everything I'll click on afterwards in the option window will add one unit to the EditBox Height. it's not even possible to close the option window normally (atl+f4, the right corner X icon, etc.). The only way to get rid of the option window, is to hit the hotkey (Pause/Break, Alt+Space or Ctrl+Space) twice to make farr disappear. When relaunched with the hotkey, farr's fine.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 02, 2007, 10:43 AM
i can't reproduce this armando, anyone else?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Armando on August 02, 2007, 10:54 AM
Ok, let me try this with other skins since it looks like a GUI problem.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Armando on August 02, 2007, 11:00 AM
Different skins don't have any effect -- predictably since the option window is not skinned.

Let me add that the bug occurs only when I'm changing the Height value with the little "arrow" buttons. It doesn't happen when I change the value using the keyboard.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on August 02, 2007, 01:48 PM
mouser, just an addition: I later realized that that brief black background I wrote about also appears every time the window gets auto-shrunk (or de-shrunk) given these settings:
- checked: options > auto-shrink window to fit results
- set to some degree: options > window transparency
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: tablaji on August 03, 2007, 03:44 AM
Armando's problem is the same that I described here:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=9008.msg70048#msg70048
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Armando on August 03, 2007, 11:15 AM
Armando's problem is the same that I described here:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=9008.msg70048#msg70048
Yes, that's it!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: lethalrocks on August 06, 2007, 03:06 PM
Bug in #138... (although present in version 1 too)

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Some fields are coloured in the tooltip colour, which is fine, but the text isn't the tooltip text colour (which is white for me).

Also, the options dialog is still in ugly MS Sans... can't it be changed the to system font? Same goes for the main window, too, I'd rather not have to set a custom font (although it's good that I can)

Edit: More problems

Minor annoyance #1: When changing alias files, the options dialog flickers once

Minor annoyance #2: After upgrading from v1 (I got two error messages about a timer on installation as it failed to close FARR), I have a run alias in myalias.alias and in sysutils... is there a way for it to detect duplicates (not at runtime, but when migrating the alias file to the modular format)
This means that typing "run" results in two results, not one. Easy to fix by removing the old alias, but since the old one was a default too, the program should really fix it's own changes.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: tablaji on August 09, 2007, 05:24 AM
one small wish:
I am used to select all text in an input box with Ctrl+A, but in FARR, the input field does not react to this.
Mouser, could you implement this?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jgpaiva on August 09, 2007, 07:47 AM
tablaji: you can also press "esc", it'll select all the text ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: tablaji on August 09, 2007, 07:53 AM
jgpaiva:
Of course I am aware of that, but you know about old habits...  :D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: lanux128 on August 09, 2007, 08:05 AM
tablaji: you can also press "esc", it'll select all the text

thanks for the reminder jgpaiva, i've forgotten about it and was back to using Shift+Home.. :o
Title: Install glitch
Post by: DocSavage on August 10, 2007, 06:49 AM
Just updated two machines with FARR alpha. Both had this error code. Seems like always before, it was unnecessary to stop older FARR which was running.
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Wordzilla on August 10, 2007, 06:53 AM
@DocSavage:

Were you trying to install the latest FARR (2.00.138) ?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on August 10, 2007, 07:10 AM
Yes. I installed it by opening task manager & stopping the existing FARR.exe. Then the install completed.
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Wordzilla on August 10, 2007, 07:14 AM
Weird. It is really supposed to be able to kill running farr process automatically. Maybe there's a bug. What OS and anti-virus are you using (these details might help mouser diagnose the problem :)) ?.
Title: Install Glitch 02 - July 17, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on August 10, 2007, 09:06 AM
This is my experience this morning installing Alpha v2.00.135 on 4 computers. 
Machine:
1. WinXP sp2, 512 RAM AV is Computer Associates & Windows Defender, updating from Alpha 2.00.xx?- HAD THIS GLITCH
2. WinXP sp2, 2 G RAM  AV is Computer Associates & Windows Defender, updating from Alpha 2.00.xx?- HAD THIS GLITCH
3. WinXP sp2  1 G RAM AV is Computer Associates, updating from Alpha 2.00.xx?- DID NOT HAVE THIS GLITCH
4. Win2000, sp4 128 RAM, AV is AVG free, SpyWare is AVG free  - HAD THIS GLITCH

BTW - I don't know why I went to the trouble to stop a process, it works just as well to stop the already installed FARR from SysTray. (like Mouser's message says)

dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 10, 2007, 10:09 AM
if you were installing over a version of farr that is older than say 2.0.100 or so, then you have to exit farr from the tray before installing the new version, since older versions of farr won't exit themselves.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: DocSavage on August 10, 2007, 10:16 AM
Yeah, I saw that, when I finally went back & READ your message.
Since they are all gone now, I don't know the previous version. But I try to update every time you have a release. The computer that DIDN'T have a problem is an old laptop that I haven't used in a couple of months. The others are almost always on, most likely to have had the recent version.
However, as you point out, that is probably what happened this morning.
dk
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: CleverCat on August 12, 2007, 01:36 AM
I can't get Farr to open anything?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: donzonion on August 12, 2007, 05:57 AM
Hi mouser

Could we have an one-click on the tray icon to open Farr option - or have I missed it?
 :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: lethalrocks on August 12, 2007, 07:28 AM
I have another problem... Sometimes, when I bring up the window (pause) and start typing straight away, half my text disappears after I've typed it. Any idea?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Wordzilla on August 12, 2007, 09:13 AM
Yeah, for me that usually happens when farr has been idle in the tray for a long time and is suddenly brought to front.

And sometimes your typing gets affected if it's taking a bit long to search.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 12, 2007, 09:17 AM
if you find F+R slow to come up after it hasn't been used in a while, you could choose "Stay in Memory Longer" on the General tab option for "Inactive Memory Use".
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: Wordzilla on August 12, 2007, 09:20 AM
if you find F+R slow to come up after it hasn't been used in a while, you could choose "Stay in Memory Longer" on the General tab option for "Inactive Memory Use".

Yup exactly the same setting here, and I believe that's the default option. :P
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: tablaji on August 14, 2007, 07:12 AM
One more thing:
I am missing the possibility to invoke FARR Help while the Group/Alias dialog is open.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: cemole on August 16, 2007, 07:41 PM
I just upgraded to 2.00.140 and the DcUpdater does not detect the already installed plug-ins, which it did previously. I guess I can fix this by moving the .dcupdate files to the appropriate location which is, I assume, where the executable is for DcUpdater.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 16, 2007, 07:51 PM
I think this may be a one time bug due to the new code i added that lets it install these plugins new from the web, and no longer includes them with farr.  please let me know if it ever comes back after you install them (you can install the new versions over existing).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: jsturtridge on August 17, 2007, 04:25 AM
Mouser,

I've experienced the same as cemole - are your recommendations to reinstall the plugins over what's there now - or to reinstall FARR?

Thanks - Jon.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.135 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - July 17, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 17, 2007, 12:30 PM
just let updater install the plugins in the "Available for Installation" tab.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: cemole on August 17, 2007, 10:13 PM
As mouser suggested, I re-installed all of the "available packages" in DcUpdater program (right click, install directly) and problem seems to be solved. DcUpdater downloaded the necessary packages and removed them from the list as they are successfully installed. Now all of the files are under the "Installed Packages" tab.

I was hesitant to install packages directly as I previously had problems using the FARR installer without the administrative privileges. I don't know whether this is solved but I'm just extracting files to the FARR folder rather than using the downloaded installer. If I'm thinking, I also delete the unused FindAndRunRobotInstall.exe file.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: kfitting on August 20, 2007, 09:58 AM
I just downloaded the latest preview version and I'm having a hard time making the plug-ins work.  There are folders for each plugin but they just have two files in them and no dlls... sorry, I'm probably missing something stupid!

Kevin
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 20, 2007, 03:45 PM
Right click on farr tray and say "check for updates", then go to the "Available for Installation" tab.  Click "Check for Updates" on that tab to get latest version info for all plugins, then to install a plugin simply right-click on it and choose to install.

The idea is that now rather than bundling plugins with the installer (making a bloated installer and installing stuff people dont want), now you can easily choose which to install using the updater.  One of the major motivations for writing the custom updater system was support for plugins.

Note you can also get more info on any plugin by right-clicking on it and choosing to visit the webpage for it.  :up:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: kfitting on August 20, 2007, 04:09 PM
Ahhhh... you're assuming I am connected to the internet (complicated story, but a bad assumption). 

There is nowhere to download these plugins?  I found klipkeeper...

Kevin
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 20, 2007, 04:34 PM
There is nowhere to download these plugins?

good point -- i'll make a big download pack where you can grab them all in one big zip.
also the new FARR2 web page will be public shortly and will have links to all known plugins.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: kfitting on August 20, 2007, 06:12 PM
Thanks!  That works!

Kevin
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: zajc on August 22, 2007, 10:32 AM
Possible bug and enhancement request :)

I'm using FARR v2.00.142 on XP (SP2). I install software which require proper system PATH value.
After I launch it with FARR it didn't work because FARR had still an old system PATH value.
The only solution was to stop and start FARR again.

Maybe FARR should refresh system PATH (and other???) variable(s) each time it starts (with BREAK key).

Anyway FARR is the best :-*
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: lethalrocks on August 22, 2007, 11:26 AM
I changed FARR to stay in memory longer, and the problem I mentioned (removing the first few letters) still happens, albeit less often
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 22, 2007, 12:15 PM
zajc, not a bad idea -- thanks for the suggestion i might just add that.

lethalrocks:
the problem I mentioned (removing the first few letters) still happens, albeit less often

i think i inadvertently added something that creates this behavior of farr in the last release or two when i added the new hotkey system.  i'll try to fix in next release.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on August 22, 2007, 12:39 PM
Maybe FARR should refresh system PATH (and other???) variable(s) each time it starts (with BREAK key).

i hope this would not slow down FARR
since this is only required after installing a new software...

@mouser, why not create a command just to do that,  say ... refreshfarr
no need to refresh the system PATH everytime FARR is invoked...

just my two cents...
(but i think speed is really really important for FARR  :D)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 22, 2007, 12:41 PM
yes that's a reasonable alternative as well.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: teegee543 on August 29, 2007, 05:25 PM
I'm not sure when this folder navigation feature changed, but I used to be able to navigate into subdirectories that were found by pressing the result number. Now when I press the result number, it launches the folder immediately. I liked it when it would put the directory path into the search bar and allow me to dig deeper into files and folders within that folder. Is it still possible to use FARR in this way?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on August 29, 2007, 05:27 PM
teegee543 -- it's still supposed to work that way, and it does when you use the alt+digit keys, but i'm guessing you must have the option set to use normal digit keys, as i just tried that and indeed it did open the folder directly.  this is a bug and im fixing it.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: jack99999 on August 30, 2007, 09:20 AM
i've upgraded the alpha version several times. i see that in my Hotkeys list i now have 'Toggle FARR - Custom' defined 5 times, each time setting up the same (corrrect) key.

i assume there should be just one of these.

jack
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: Nod5 on August 30, 2007, 02:36 PM
A small idea, similar to some previous ones but still not identical I think:

Pressing Ctrl + C currently copies the path to the selected item in the results list.

Enhance that by letting Ctrl + C do different actions based on the number of times it has been pressed (for the very same item):
1st time - path to clipboard
2nd time - filename to clipboard
3rd time - file to clipboard
4th time - path to clipboard
...
For each such keypress, indicate the action at the far en of the statusbar: "path", "name", "file".
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: Armando on August 30, 2007, 03:08 PM
I like that Idea.  :up:
Simple, yet powerfull.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: Darwin on August 30, 2007, 05:18 PM
 :up: :up: That's a fabulous idea - greatly increases functionality and power without requiring the user to memorize 47 keyboard shortcuts (also makes for more efficient use of keyboard shortcuts - they're a finite resource!).
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: justice on August 31, 2007, 03:28 AM
When I add in a directory to the Search Folders tab, can I specify only to search specific extensions? And if I do, does this increase performance compared to searching all files? Thanks.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: nitrix-ud on August 31, 2007, 05:47 AM
When I add in a directory to the Search Folders tab, can I specify only to search specific extensions? And if I do, does this increase performance compared to searching all files? Thanks.

unfortunately no, but this would make a great addition

when i switched from Launchy to FARR that was one of few things i missed...
it kind of cleans up results... when you specify specific extensions... (for example i'd like to exclude .url files for my "start menu programs" folder...)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: CleverCat on August 31, 2007, 06:17 AM
My FARR won't open MS Publisher...Finds it but won't open?  :tellme:
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: cowcrombie on September 05, 2007, 03:19 AM
An additional feature would be to tell the program to memorise a folder or file.

eg.

i go to a folder or file and i can assign a particular word for that file or folder.

right now, it's only good to find programs coz it's easiest to recognise. If i have the same name for a lot of folders, it's hard for the program to distiguish between and sometimes won't even show up on the top 10. (and the fact you can't scroll down to choose something is very annoying)

Maybe everytime you open something from FARR, 1 point would be added to that particular file or folder. so if you open it a lot of times, it'll automatically be on the top of the list.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: justice on September 05, 2007, 06:30 AM
Maybe everytime you open something from FARR, 1 point would be added to that particular file or folder. so if you open it a lot of times, it'll automatically be on the top of the list.
that already happens
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: luvsan on September 05, 2007, 09:10 AM
EDIT : oops someone already said about the hotkeys creating themselves again but i second it leave this here incase i have any more useful info stated

when it imports old custom hotkeys it does it everytime the program is started

i have tried deleteing them and adding a new one its under a different name as you can see but it still creates the others

link to screenshot
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/482/farrge9.jpg

also as someone stated with publisher it wont open microsoft picture manager and i tried outlook so i assumed none of that works could be some of microsofts lovely security which is security through annoyances lol
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on September 05, 2007, 05:24 PM
omg look at that screenshot --
ok thanks for that looks like i need to fix that bug ASAP.

i'll look back at the ms office document issue - i remember having to add special code for that and i suspect that a recent change i made must have bypassed this special code.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: CleverCat on September 06, 2007, 06:44 AM
My FARR won't open MS Publisher...Finds it but won't open?  :tellme:

It does now...you have to be precise... i.e. MSPUB works, not Microsoft Office Publisher.... ;D
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: CleverCat on September 06, 2007, 06:51 AM
This opens MS Picture Manager..

OIS.exe  ;)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: Grorgy on September 06, 2007, 06:55 AM
i just start typing microsoft, they all come up and i hit the number, works a treat every time  :)
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: fluffywings on September 07, 2007, 12:10 AM
BTW Mouser. I love this program.  I was wondering if it would be possible when the hotkey is hit that we can customize the default icons.  Where we can choose which ones and however many we want showing.  Just saves me from using the keyboard at all for the programs I use the most frequently.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2007, 01:46 AM
I was wondering if it would be possible when the hotkey is hit that we can customize the default icons.  Where we can choose which ones and however many we want showing.


you absolutely can do this already -- it's part of the reason for the new hotkey system.
to do this, go to the hotkey (either use the default one or create a new one with a different trigger), and configure some starting text.  Like for example put: myapps

then create an alias group called myapps
and put in it all the programs you want listed.

now when you hit your hotkey up will pop your designed list of programs.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: fluffywings on September 07, 2007, 02:07 AM
But then the text "myapps" appears in the search box and i need to delete it to start searching for something other then my favourites.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2007, 02:09 AM
on the hotkey configuration check the box marked "highlight search text" -- then when farr pops up with the text its already selected and you can just type new stuff to search and it will replace the starting text.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: fluffywings on September 07, 2007, 08:36 AM
I tried running it from a USB drive but I am having difficulty referencing the usb drive without using drive letters.  Would you know how I do that?
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2007, 08:48 AM
from the help file:

The following virtual folders are available for specification in the search folder list. Using them won't effect search speed and can keep your configuration valid even if you use a portable usb drive, etc.:

%USERPROFILE%
%USERNAME%
%ALLUSERSPROFILE%
%MYDOCUMENTS%
%MYFAVORITES%
%MYDESKTOP%
%MYSTARTMENU%
%COMMONSTARTMENU%
%PROGRAMFILES%
%MYPICTURES%
%MYMUSIC%
%MYVIDEO%
%MYAPPDATA%
%COMMONAPPDATA%
%COMMONMUSIC%
%COMMONPICTURES%
%COMMONVIDEO%
%FONTS%
%SYSTEMDIR%
%FARRDIR%
%CONFIGDIR%

You can also use relative directories in the search folder tab:

..\etc (up one directory)
\blah (on root directory of the program drive)


When specifying alias commands you may occasionally want to refer to the home directory of the alias:

%ALIASDIR%


Therefore I *think* you should simply be able to do \dir\file
to refer to directory \dir on the drive, or refer to %FARRFIR%\subdir\file to refer to a subdirectory of FARR.

please let me know if the \dir\file approach doesnt work -- i'm not sure that's been tested much.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: edbro on September 07, 2007, 09:04 AM
Using %FARRDIR% as a starting point, you should be able to get to anywhere on the USB drive. For example
"/%FARRDIR%\..\SomeDir\SomeProg.exe"
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: fluffywings on September 08, 2007, 11:56 AM
Thanks for the help I appreciate it.  I now am user FARR Dir as my alias.

 I tried searching the forums but to no avail I could not solve my question.  Using the folllowing alias path I want FARR to search the sub directories.  I tried changing the Subdirectory Search Depth to 0, 1, and tried 15 too. I don't believe I am understanding how to use it.  I have portable applications in the subdirectories that I want to run using FARR on my USB drive. 

/%FARRDIR%\PortableApps\

Also What does the score do beside the Subdirectory Search Depth Field. Thanks



Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2007, 11:17 PM
i think it might have to be something like:
%FARRDIR%\PortableApps\
or even
%FARRDIR%PortableApps\

the score is used as the baseline score for all files found in that directory -- you could use this if you are searching multiple directories, to make sure those found in this directory have higher or lower scores than others.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: fluffywings on September 11, 2007, 01:04 PM
I should show what my folder structure is like first

Top
     Portable Apps
           ThunderbirdPortable
                   ThunderbirdPortable.exe
           OpenOfficePortable
                   OpenOfficePortable.exe
     FARR

So I was trying to access the portable folder then search the subfolders for the programs.  The reason I didn't want to add each folder manually was that I may add and remove a program at random and it would be nice not to have to do that everytime I change it.  I hope this helps explain what I am doing.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: mouser on September 11, 2007, 01:15 PM
I completely understand why you need this, and we need to make sure such things work, so please don't give up getting it to work.
(you can email me at [email protected] if i don't keep following up and making sure this will work).

I think you should be able to write simply like this in your alias results and search folders:

\Portable Apps\Open Office Portable\

or just add \ as a search directory

that really should work and refer to the root drive where FARR is running, BUT if that does not work, i can either:
1) make it work in the next version
or
2) add a new macro variable like %FARRDRIVE% which refers to the drive that farr is running from.

i think #1 would be preferable.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: jamesthebod on October 02, 2007, 06:22 AM
Yeah, I've noticed this too. ;)

It was on the previous release I had. (v1.13.02) and was very useful.

I haven't been able to find that command anywhere.

But I love the program!  :)
Title: Updater out of synch?
Post by: jdmarch on October 03, 2007, 05:02 PM

I'm still running FARR 2.00.133 (July). Until then, seems like the updater was keeping me updated quite nicely. Time flies and I just today realized that I have not seen any update for quite a while.

When I run the updater (1.17.01), it says, both about itself and about FARR:
Version on the web: n/a
Version date: blank
Progress bar: empty
Status: got version

My update  handling option is set to Download into Temp and run directly.

Anything you'd like me to check before downloading manually?

BTW, the Updater Network Log is not very helpful because it includes no dates or times, which is a sine qua non for a log.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: hamradio on October 03, 2007, 05:21 PM
I'm still running FARR 2.00.133 (July). Until then, seems like the updater was keeping me updated quite nicely. Time flies and I just today realized that I have not seen any update for quite a while.

When I run the updater (1.17.01), it says, both about itself and about FARR:
Version on the web: n/a
Version date: blank
Progress bar: empty
Status: got version

My update  handling option is set to Download into Temp and run directly.

Anything you'd like me to check before downloading manually?

BTW, the Updater Network Log is not very helpful because it includes no dates or times, which is a sine qua non for a log.

Thanks!

Get and try the latest updater version and see if that fixes the updating.
Title: Re: Latest FARR v2.00.140 ALPHA PREVIEW Release - Aug 15, 2007
Post by: jdmarch on October 03, 2007, 05:29 PM
Get and try the latest updater version and see if that fixes the updating.
Yes indeed.
Thanks.