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I now find myself in uncharted territory. I need to find an uberapp to keep my notes in while working on Linux boxen. I shall begin my quest with a Google search.
In the mean time, please talk amongst yourselves.
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I use BasKet. ( http://basket.kde.org )
There's a bit a learning curve if you plan to take advantage of its full feature set (which I don't BTW!). It's far from being perfect. But IMHO it's the best of what's out there for NIX. Even worth it if you're not running KDE as your primary desktop.
There's a quick review of Basket and four other note taking apps over at LinuxFormat Magazine. Read it here: www.tuxradar.com/content/group-test-note-takers
TreePad also has its Lite version available for Linux ( www.treepad.com/linux/treepadlite/ ). This might be the first thing you'll want to test if you're one of TP's many users over on the Windows platform. I keep meaning to give it a try, but I haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
If you want a nice quick & dirty outline/note app that gets the job done without too many frills, take a look at TuxCards. ( www.tuxcards.de ) The name says it all.
Note: TuxCards isn't found in most mainstream distro repositories, so you'll probably need to compile it for your machine.
Just my 2ยข :)
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I use "Pen & Paper" for various reasons: it works when the computer is turned off, you can add notes offline as well as online, it has 100% accurate handwriting recognition and can easily be used by multiple users. It even supports a limited history feature: you can still read old but x-ed out notes.
Oh yeah, and pen & paper lets you add freeform graphics, but no moving or audible media. The storage format is open and well-known (for I dont know how many centuries). The backend is compatible with any input device, there cannot be a driver conflict.
On the other hand, Pen & Paper is not free.
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it has 100% accurate handwriting recognition and can easily be used by multiple users-housetier
Strange, my version of pen&paper only has about 85% accurate handwriting recognitiion, and while I've tried it with multiple users, there seems to be some problems with their recognition engines :-[
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WOW, TreePad looks really, really cool! Once I setup my computer room and have more time to test (ha. Fat chance with a two year-old and three year-old, but I can dream ;D), I think I will install this and check it out. It might be perfect for my upcoming doctoral studies.
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it has 100% accurate handwriting recognition and can easily be used by multiple users-housetier
Strange, my version of pen&paper only has about 85% accurate handwriting recognitiion, and while I've tried it with multiple users, there seems to be some problems with their recognition engines :-[
-TucknDar
LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Google found me Zim (http://zim-wiki.org/index.html), but I checked out BasKet and that looks nicer. I think I will start with that. (Side note, I wish I would have gone with kubuntu instead of ubuntu.)
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I use "Pen & Paper" for various reasons: it works when the computer is turned off, you can add notes offline as well as online, it has 100% accurate handwriting recognition and can easily be used by multiple users. It even supports a limited history feature: you can still read old but x-ed out notes.
Oh yeah, and pen & paper lets you add freeform graphics, but no moving or audible media. The storage format is open and well-known (for I dont know how many centuries). The backend is compatible with any input device, there cannot be a driver conflict.
On the other hand, Pen & Paper is not free.
-housetier
;D ;D ;D
Seriously, the one time I have needed a note-taking app, I found NoteCase (http://notecase.sourceforge.net/) to be more than adequate.
I use Xubuntu and so I get a cringe-y feeling whenever I have to install anything that depends too much on Gnome or KDE libs, so BasKet would not be tops on my list, however feature-rich it may be.
Tomboy depends on Mono (http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/), so that one's a DEFINITE out.
TreePad has always seemed like something I might like if I had money to spend on software.
I haven't felt a need to try anything else
:two:
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Seriously, the one time I have needed a note-taking app, I found NoteCase (http://notecase.sourceforge.net/) to be more than adequate.
I use Xubuntu and so I get a cringe-y feeling whenever I have to install anything that depends too much on Gnome or KDE libs
-Edvard
Edvard raises an excellent point..(https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/2Signs/super.gif)
It's not always a great idea to mix apps from different desktops. KDE and Gnome apps can usually (usually mind you!) peacefully co-exist with very few problems. As long as the app in question can be found in one of your distro's main repositories, you'll seldom encounter a problem.
However, if you're running one of the lighter desktops, installing a KDE or Gnome app can very well cause major headaches. And even if the app doesn't break anything else, you'll almost always wind up dragging a huge number of software dependencies along with it. Not a pretty sight. Especially if Synaptic decides it needs to install something like the entire Gnome or KDE desktop (along with a dozen additional libraries) just to get some little 200K app to run!
Rule of thumb: If you decide to go "off the reservation" for an app - and your package manager reports something like: 410 Mb to be downloaded for a total of 1647 new packages... - then do yourself a big favor and just hit the CANCEL button.
Also think in terms of what hardware you have. I run an Xfce desktop on my laptop! (Did I say that right?). Toshi's getting on in the years, and doesn't really have the oomph to run Gnome or KDE. So NoteCase would be a much better choice for my old Toshiba.
:)
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I use "Pen & Paper" for various reasons: it works when the computer is turned off, you can add notes offline as well as online, it has 100% accurate handwriting recognition and can easily be used by multiple users. It even supports a limited history feature: you can still read old but x-ed out notes.
Oh yeah, and pen & paper lets you add freeform graphics, but no moving or audible media. The storage format is open and well-known (for I dont know how many centuries). The backend is compatible with any input device, there cannot be a driver conflict.
On the other hand, Pen & Paper is not free.
-housetier
I'd like to 2nd this vote, as it's something I also do. ...and given that my handwriting is atrocious, I also consider my notes to be "encrypted" ... because when I write in a hurry nobody (else) can read them.
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ok, I found a solution to break free of onenote and thus windows :)
rightnote is good enough. It should run on wine fine (note: I haven't tried yet)
here's a quick rundown:
rightNote
positive
- can edit/search an External file (example html); this is killer for sharing
- portable; stuff inside a sqlite db
- search is fast
- has excel-like tables
- code highlighters
- makes a line break like jedit :)
- better visibility
- can bold, tag the notes
- icons
- wrap note title
negative
- no "print to onenote", no good for filling pdfs
- no in-line sums (but google does that) also one can create a spreadsheet table
- no different notebooks
- could be abandoned
- no folding
- no roundTrip export/import. Loses indentation, headings
- not very fast creating a table
Everything stored in a sqlite db, so push comes to shove, you can retrieve your notes brute-force. No more vendor lock-in.
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I am looking for a better solution, at the moment I use... opera notes :P
The good things about opera notes
- sync across machines and OSes
- if added from a web selection, remembers the original location link
- live search as you type
- exports to xml and other formats
The missing bits about opera notes
- no rich text or structured format
- no code highlighters, icons
In firefox there's evernote, ubernote and a few others - including one that integrate with linux native sticky notes apps (have to go on linux to get the names, the laptop is upstairs will edit)
Note: I too go for lightweight desktop / window managers solutions whenever I am given the choice, openbox+lxde at the moment but experimenting with a tiling window manager to see if it helps with staying focused
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ok after tesing under wine and crossover, rightnote is not a good solution.
It doesn't keep formatting when copying from the web, nor the url the snippet came from.
Anything that works on linux for web snippets and has a good search?
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I'm reading the forums here:
http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/tlist/608
(nice resource)
Looks like lots of companies making outliners are going out of business (e.g., Ultrarecall), partly because Microsoft entered the scene with oneNote and pretty much outclassed everyone (!). Others reacted by increasing prices (e.g., surfulater) or cutting them down (TexNotes)... There are some interesting developments (zoot coming back with version 6, connectedText, etc) but things look bad.
This is a pity. There is lots of talent in this subclass, I'd hate to see innovation die.
Under linux, the situation is even worse. Nothing comes close to a working solution for me. This sentiment is echoed in those forums. So after spending 2 days seaching for substitutes, I'm sticking with onenote and forgoing the possibility of something portable and open. If it's difficult to surviving in the (commercial) windows world, chances of a strong linux app are smaller even. BasKet had no main developer for more than a year, and just recently picked up speed (still, light years behind onenote, and several design decisions make it not useful for me, e.g. one has to click to start a note, no tab indentation etc).
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more on the dead of outlining software: (http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/880/0/planning-for-tomorrow--the-continuing-death-of-pims)
The two main causes of the death of PIMs are,
1) Incompatibility with new operating systems and the failure of developers to update their PIMs to operate in the new OS, and
2) Complete discontinuance of development of a PIM.
My discussion here is limited to PIMs used for information, collection, storage and retrieval, as opposed to those, such as single-pane outliners, used for authoring.
If one uses a PIM only for short-term projects, the obsoleting of a PIM may not be critical, although there will be the aggravation of finding and learning to use a replacement PIM.
But for long term use, the possibility of PIM death can be devastating, unless the PIM has the capability to export its stored information into files using standard formats such as rtf, html and jpg. Even with this capability, such exporting can be an exceedingly long-term, tedious task, UNLESS the PIM has a batch export capability, or one can use a macro program to create the equivalent of batch export.
Is there, or could there be, an alternative approach?
What about saving information in standard file formats and using other tools to simulate PIM capabilities? (This would enable cross-platform compatibility.)
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Who here would be interested in bundling together a nice donation for some OSS author to either develop a good notetaker for linux or bring new features of the existing ones? We'd need to agree on which project to support, if we do the latter.
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i am about to ruin some of your Sunday :'(
Here are some other tools I have in my diigo bookmark collection (mostly comes from watching icewalkers and freshmeat for years and bookmarking what looks interesting or original)
- there are several emacs based options, wont mention those for now. I will mention vimoutliner http://www.vimoutliner.org/
- i didnt see anyone mention tomboy. it is very simple but it does have the menu integration and there are iirc a firefox extension and an emacs integration. worth a look?
all right, my list:
research assistant - clearly aimed at onenote - http://sourceforge.net/projects/rassistant/
treeline http://treeline.bellz.org/feature.html - not tried, seems a competent outliner style product
tobu http://tobu.lightbird.net/ freeform note organiser (wxpython)
treesheets http://treesheets.com/ - tries to combine wiki linking with onenote-style 2D content box organising
chandler - much discussed - http://chandlerproject.org/ - pim with strong opinions on information management
compendium - topic map and idea organizer from the open university - http://compendium.open.ac.uk/institute/ (not tried the linux one, but on windows the beta is cooler than the release)
mindraider - notes and mindmaps - http://mindraider.sourceforge.net/
gjot - jotter - http://bhepple.freeshell.org/gjots/ (gtk)
tobu - pim http://tobu.lightbird.net/
luminotes - wiki outliner - http://luminotes.com/ desktop+web
tellico - cataloguing apps, but works for bibliographical notes and free text http://tellico-project.org/
storybook - focused on novel writing - http://storybook.intertec.ch/joomla/
celtx - multimedia, focused on preproduction - http://www.celtx.com/features.html
more technical but with powerful note/information features:
leo - leo is a programmers editor but it has an outliner and pim mode http://sourceforge.net/projects/leo/
lyx - lyx is a latex working env. but it has templates/moders for a lot of writing preparation/organisation which works for gathering project related bits - http://www.lyx.org/Features
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Thanks iphigenie!
Killer list!
Text-only PIMs like vimoutliner are out, I started with this in 2006 and soon realized I need more than plain text.
Surprisingly enough, none of the tools would work for me, even remotely.
Here are my requirements:
- Keeps indentation, Main text area must be an outliner in itself (discards: scrivener)
- Table support, basic formatting (bold, headings)
- History (back to previous edit location, like a browser, or ctrl+o in vim)
- Does not need much mousing to start notes (discards: basket, treenotes)
- Search must be useful (all notes, highlight all matches). Discards most apps (!)
- Paste html keeps formatting, url location. Discards most apps (!), none keep the url location but onenote and rightnotes. This should be easy to implement
- Import/export keeping most formatting. Prevents lock-in. (discards: onenote)
- Copy/paste to a word processor keeping most formatting (discards: lyX, although no big deal)
- Deals with images by just pasting them
- Good overview and moving items around
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thinking about it on a unix-modular way:
- the search bit is easy to fix on linux with something like Beagle
- some of the wysiwyg options are also easy to fix, a few of those tools allow a change of view/edit modules
paste html is a good question: when you copy html on linux, does any URL information get put in the clip memory. I know it does on windows, but I dont think it does on linux. You will need a tool that has a "right click to..." function for that. But there is always a way to chain it, i.e. have a tool that does that, even if it does not have all your features, and have the organiser/searcher tool take the data afterwards (auto import)
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paste html is a good question: when you copy html on linux, does any URL information get put in the clip memory. I know it does on windows, but I dont think it does on linux. You will need a tool that has a "right click to..." function for that. But there is always a way to chain it, i.e. have a tool that does that, even if it does not have all your features, and have the organiser/searcher tool take the data afterwards (auto import)
Ah! that's really good information. If no url is kept, then no wonder tools don't do this.
using beagle is a solution, yes. A bit convoluted (one could use ack on the command line too, but it would break the flow of writing).
For a thinking tool like a notetaker, breaking the flow into small specialist pieces (the unix way) is not a good solution (for me!). I'm easily distracted already :)
Keep the good ideas coming!
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Who here would be interested in bundling together a nice donation for some OSS author to either develop a good notetaker for linux or bring new features of the existing ones? We'd need to agree on which project to support, if we do the latter.
-urlwolf
One possibility would also be to support a specific notetaker's Wine compatibility. Not only would it help Wine's development (maybe...), but it would would also make an already good notetaker multiplatform, so to speak.
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I am certainly considering splitting activities
1. there is the capturing information part - i cant rely on bookmarks or bookmarking/snipping sites, after all content disappears off the web every day, and as per "snippet" sites they might get bought, hacked, bankrupted without notice. Need local copies, of the bits I am interested in, with link to source. Something like the opera "save note" but now and then with the occasional formatting or image. And it all needs to export or be stored in a standard format
2. there is the organising and writing for thinking - ideally this is in the same tool as above because all the snippets can be part of the process, but I can live with it being separate if no tool does both well.
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I'd agree with iphigenie's approach.
It's nice to have everything integrated, but it's very possible (without it having an impact on workflow) to have:
1- tools to capture/gather info (doesn't matter if there's only one or several software, as these usually change, get abandoned, etc. with time anyways. I use InfoQube, but not exclusively)
2- one or two tool to organize the gathered info (could be using a database, or using other custom means, tightly integrated with the filesystem -- I use InfoQube, windows only at the moment, plus a custom bullet proof naming scheme)
3- one or two tool to quickly search and filter info (a desktop search tool -- like beagle --, and something that's more a grep/locate/everything etc. tool.)
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One possibility would also be to support a specific notetaker's Wine compatibility. Not only would it help Wine's development (maybe...), but it would would also make an already good notetaker multiplatform, so to speak.
-Armando
The problem with wine is that copy-pasting from a linux browser to a wine app will lose all formatting (and the url of course according to Iphi's findings).
This is a show stopper for me.
We are now 3 guys/gals. If we could up our numbers to say 10 people, we could ask a dev to implement some features (and donate a good chunk, or buy 10 licenses).
I'd be more inclined to go for a simple, solid code-base that can grow fast and accommodate our features. A linux tool in say qt is easy to port to windows. Basket is way too big, and some design decisions are really mouse-oriented. I'd say tuxnotes (if the codebase is strong) has good potential. It's a no-frills app, but it keeps web snippet formatting really well. Not sure how active/available the developer is.
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The problem with wine is that copy-pasting from a linux browser to a wine app will lose all formatting (and the url of course according to Iphi's findings).
-urlwolf
would this be also true of a firefox clipping plugin ? I'm asking because InfoQube has a firefox web clipping plugin.
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my guess is that a linux FF plugin would not know how to talk to he wine-emulated app.
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ok, I posted this plea to ubuntuforums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1243235) too, but nobody answered.
Looks like we are on our own.
Still, a donation of say 30$ (typical license price) x 3 is a litle bit of money for an OSS author. It would a smile in her face, even if small.
Should we agree on a project and go ahead?
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I'm not volunteering my time, but merely a suggestion. Start with a wiki to describe what you want and let everybody contribute.
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HI
I've been using TreeDBNotes 3.xx running in WINE on my Debian Linux system for about 2 years.
I switched almost exclusively to Linux 2 years ago-- the only thing holding me back was OneNote- a great application.
I tested a number of applications and found that TreeDBNotes run well in Linux, Windows and was portable.
I've asked the developer many times to keep WINE compatibility in mind when issuing new versions. It seems that other people have asked too and now he is testing his application in Linux now to improve its function in WINE (there are the occasional problem with formatting, and fonts and other small issues). Apparently the developer is also developing a web clipping plugin.
I"ve been very impressed by TreeDBNotes and thought that others who want a good note program for Linux might want to try it out.
I'm also intrigued by NoteCase Pro, but so far, it i a bit too simple and doesn't have the functions I want.
For me, the software must be a robust database with advanced search features, able to preserve all formatting of WORD and especially OpenOffice documents, be able to copy and paste from Firefox with formatting intact, accept double-byte characters for Asian fonts
I will try MindRaider tonight as it does look promising.
How do KeepNotes and Notecase Pro compare? Does anyone have experience with these 2 programs?
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ok, I posted this plea to ubuntuforums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1243235) too, but nobody answered.
Looks like we are on our own.
Still, a donation of say 30$ (typical license price) x 3 is a litle bit of money for an OSS author. It would a smile in her face, even if small.
Should we agree on a project and go ahead?
-urlwolf
This is a very good idea! If a number of us bought many licenses together, it might be a big boost for a developer. I'd be happy to buy several licenses!
I'm not sure which software and developer might be the best candidate to approach.
I'd guess priority should be given to supporting something that's open source and multi-platform:
- Research Assistant
- MindRaider
- KeepNotes
- NoteCase Pro (the 'Pro' version is not open source it seems)
The above all seem to be multi-platform.
If they dont' work, then these windows programs might be adapted to work better in WINE. The developers indicated that they might work on better Linux compatibility if there was enough interest.
- TreeDBnotes
- RightNote
And a great application:
MyBase. The trick would be to convince the developer to make a Linux version.
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Hi coolrat.
In my view rightNote = treDBnotes, but much more polished.
Unfortunately, I sent quite a lot of feedback to the dev, which he systematically ignored :), and he doesn't really care for linux at all it seems.
I'm really surprised at how big the opportunity here is. There 's a huge hole in the market for something like oneNote for linux (or portable and not tied to a vendor in the files it produces!). For example:
OneNote is fantastic. It's the only MS product I like, but it's great. It beats paper and pencil because 1) it can be searched, 2) it can be backed up, 3) you can insert in something you've already written, 4) sensitive entries can be encrypted, 5) one can easily make cross-reference links, etc, etc. I use it on a tablet, and it's great, for example, for deriving equations, as you can write the equation with the pen, and then type a paragraph of descriptive text, and insert a link from the web. I wish it was available for Linux, as it's the only reason I use Windows.
from: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/78756/what-do-you-use-to-keep-notes-as-a-developer
I'm in the same boat as that commenter at StackOverflow. Maybe devs are scared of competing with M$?
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Yet another option is to lobby microsoft (humor me :) ) to make onenote write to some friendly format that another app can use. Word, excel etc now use xml. Onenote doesn't. If it did, vendor lock-in is gone and also other devs could offer some kind of interoperability, and (gasp!) a tool on linux that understands and writes it!
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Hi coolrat.
In my view rightNote = treDBnotes, but much more polished.
Unfortunately, I sent quite a lot of feedback to the dev, which he systematically ignored :), and he doesn't really care for linux at all it seems.
I'm really surprised at how big the opportunity here is. There 's a huge hole in the market for something like oneNote for linux (or portable and not tied to a vendor in the files it produces!).
-urlwolf
I haven't tried RightNotes but became interested in it from its website. I have downloaded it, but havent' installed it yet in WINE.
I wrote to the developer a few days ago and he DID reply. He said that he had many many requests for a Linux version but thought that Linux users might not be willing to pay for software. I assured him that many WOULD in fact be willing to pay for good software.
Like you mentioned, I urged the developer that the Linux market was growing daily and right now, there is a huge hole in the Linux market for a good note application. So I'm waiting for his reply. Maybe you should contact him with your/our plan?
What about Mindraider, ResearchAssistant or NoteCasePro? I think these OpenSource initiatives should be given first priority. I'm happy to help pay for their development if they remain open source. Think of how many people in developing countries (or people lacking financial resources regardless of where they live) could benefit from note-taking software. Generally, these programs run well on low-powered older computers.
(hahaha URLWOLF- that was funny! Ask Microsoft! HOHOHO. Even if they made a Linux version, I'd never go back. Plus isn't OneNote around 400 megs? My TreeDBnotes is about 7 megs!)
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Hi, I am the author of Notecase (Pro) program.
Nice thread, I got few interesting ideas here (the one to preserve URL of pasted content is new to me).
To give you my 2 cents of advice:
quite a lot of program authors would live to get good high quality feedback and ideas on how to improve his program.
When/if you decide on a program you want to support, it would be good to invest some time to make detailed analysis (as a group) to help the author to see your vision of the progress for the program.
Perhaps it is the best to to this before your contribution because some features you want to push might get rejected :-)
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Hi, I am the author of Notecase (Pro) program.
Nice thread, I got few interesting ideas here (the one to preserve URL of pasted content is new to me).
-adriatic
No offense, but if you are in the notetaking market and this feature is new to you now, I cannot help but thinking that you are not applying due diligence and checking what others in the market do. This feature has been in onenote for at least 6 years, and everyone loves it.
To give you my 2 cents of advice:
quite a lot of program authors would live to get good high quality feedback and ideas on how to improve his program.
When/if you decide on a program you want to support, it would be good to invest some time to make detailed analysis (as a group) to help the author to see your vision of the progress for the program.
Perhaps it is the best to to this before your contribution because some features you want to push might get rejected :-)
-adriatic
Well, my advice here is, install onenote, use it seriously for a couple of months, and then you would find many things you may want to implement.
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I'm a bit confused by this thread. Is it a topic for how to reverse engineer OneNote or combine all the current Linux notetaking programs into one?
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Hi, I am the author of Notecase (Pro) program.
Nice thread, I got few interesting ideas here (the one to preserve URL of pasted content is new to me).
To give you my 2 cents of advice:
quite a lot of program authors would live to get good high quality feedback and ideas on how to improve his program.
When/if you decide on a program you want to support, it would be good to invest some time to make detailed analysis (as a group) to help the author to see your vision of the progress for the program.
Perhaps it is the best to to this before your contribution because some features you want to push might get rejected :-)
-adriatic
Adriatic is right- we should make a list:
1. the types of features we want and include diagrams or screen shots.
2. we should also point out the things we do not want and do NOT like about certain applications/features
We can't ask a developer to do everything and hope it is what we want. Also, they have their own ideas and have spent years studying various ways of organizing data and they are, after all, in charge of the project ;D
Adriatic is a very responsive developer and very keen on seeing his project develop. Let's provide constructive advice and work together. :D
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Note that I might be the first one to reject some of the ideas ;)
What I am interested is to get good quality feedback on my program,
and to get good ideas for features to add.
Since this site has quite a long thread on outliners, I am pretty sure this
group can produce some good quality thinking here.
Anyway, I would like to cooperate, but I am aware that my program might not be the obvious choice
(since it is a closed source program).
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No offense, but if you are in the notetaking market and this feature is new to you now, I cannot help but thinking that you are not applying due diligence and checking what others in the market do. This feature has been in onenote for at least 6 years, and everyone loves it.
d many things you may want to implement.
-urlwolf
Have you ever looked the things from the perspective of software author ?
The development of a decent program (especially cross platform) takes quite a lot of work, time and effort.
Why assume everyone has used (or bought) OneNote. If this feature was so standard, why other programs didn't all implemented this feature ?
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Good point adriatic.
Of course a developer cannot be familiar with every piece of software. So its very reasonable that not every developer has used OneNote or all the note-taking programs would clearly be influenced by it. And that is not the case.
Instead of criticizing someone's lack of familiarity with a software application, lets build a list of what we do want and show it to adriatic and see if we can contribute to his very decent program.
How shall we begin?
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I cannot write much on a kb for a few weeks, so please take the lead. I'll follow the thread anyway.
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Just a quick note: new version of Notecase Pro now includes the feature to preserve source URL when pasting the HTML (unfortunately the clipboard format that allows this is used only on Windows).
Additionally, new version implementes Tag Cloud-like view to enable advanced visualization/manipulation of tags.
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does this mean you tried to implement this in Linux and Mac versions, and it's impossible?
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It is quite possible to support this format on all operating systems.
It is just that this special clipboard format, named "HTML Format" is only used on Windows.
This format stores both HTML and the URL where the HTML comes from.
On Linux, this format, due being Windows stnadard, is not used.
Linux program use "text/html" format, but this one does not carry the required URL info.
For example, Firefox on Windows puts its clipboard content in both "text/html" and "HTML Format" formats at the same time (and some others like plain text formats), but Firefox for Linux only uses "text/html" (and the plain text).
Unless the allpications put this URI data on clipboard, the program that is being pasted into can not know the URL. I hope this info helps.
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It can be done on linux, but it would take a lot of work.
You would have to query the browser and grab the info.
However, I think the best route would be to use an extension to the browser to grab the requested info and format it properly for use in Notecase.
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Not sure it is possible to query a browser like you suggest. I need to be able support any HTML source, not just browsers. That's why I can only look at the clipboard.
But the idea with browser add-in is nice. I already have it in my plans, I'll probably support only Firefox for a start.
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Is this really the best situation from a user perspective side? Wouldn't it be better to innovate a user interface that beats this issue?
For example Latex isn't exactly Word but it does some things better than it and that's why if Lyx were to be improved, it could easy innovate something special.
I think some basic ideas like drop down briefcase but instead of choosing HTML or plain text, have it pop-up a forrmatting box could bypass the frustration somewhat.
...or how about a formatting suggestion generator for the text which you can quickly choose or dispose of?
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Not sure how the clipboard format picking window will solve the issue with wanting to know the source URL,
because the source applications on Linux do not publish this info to the clipboard.
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Oh my bad. I thought the topic was about retaining the formatting of text when copying.
For those situations, I simply use clipboard managers. It has never particularly bothered me because even on Windows such apps like The Form Letter Machine and Notepad don't exactly allow for the source url either so I tend to copy it separately.
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Forgot to say that it's interesting to keep both the formatting and the url.
If Linux, by design, doesn't keep the formatting (I'm surprised; I've seen apps doing this, I think TuxNotes does), then we are in big trouble.
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Most Linux apps do keep the formatting using the "text/html" clipboard format.
This is already supported by Notecase Pro.
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I found a keeper (sorry abt the pub): Keepnote:
http://rasm.ods.org/keepnote/
- keeps indentation
- has screencapture ctrl + insert
- has global shortcut
- keeps formatting of web pastes!
- has horizontal mode
- python, Open source
- has back, forth button
- exports html, xml. No, the native format is html + xml metadata
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ok, you typo'd on pun. :huh: You had me kunfoozeded. :-[
Looks good. And it Python, so it gets +1 bonus points cuz it's hackable.
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I found this note-taking web app (http://www.quicklyst.com/), so decided to add in this thread.
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More pages should add this:
Can I enter a fake email address to register?
Sure. Actually, you don't need to enter an email address at all. You can just enter a desired username instead if you want, but you will never be able to recover your account if you forget your password and didn't enter a valid email address.
Still: the site really needs a free interactive demo but thanks for the link.
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Multiple-sub entries in the notes is not working for me with ff 3.6.13. I think quiklyst is just statrted with that web app, so many features are needed.
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Thought I would add this one to the list. It is more of a journal than some of the others listed. I did a quick search and did not see that it had been posted about in the forums before.
For Linux, Windows (install or portable), even says Mac.
http://rednotebook.sourceforge.net/index.html
RedNotebook is a modern journal
It includes a calendar navigation, customizable templates, export functionality and word clouds. You can also format, tag and search your entries. RedNotebook is Free Software under the GPL.
* Tagging
* Spell Check
* Format your text bold, italic or underlined
* Insert Images, files and links to websites
* Links and mail addresses are recognized automatically
* Live-Search
* Automatic saving
* Backup to zip archive
* Word Clouds with most often used words and tags
* Templates
* Export the journal to PDF, HTML, Latex or plain text
* The data is stored in plain text files, no database is needed
* Translated into more than 20 languages
There are a number of review links at the bottom of the screenshots page. One person wrote his comparison with Evernote. One thing I like about it is it isn't "cloud" based. Though he says you could via one of the 3rd party online storage sites.
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Thanks bob99. That is strange. Rednotebook has been widely advertised elsewhere that I had assumed the topic had included this already.
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Outwiker: http://jenyay.net/Outwiker/English#description
Source: http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/3831/
Haven't tried but from what was said, there seems to be a bug with adding text but the final post also said there was a new version released.
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