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Sometimes you accidentily close a program but then want to retrieve it. Opera browser has a "closed pages bin" that gives access to your closed pages from this session. It would be good to have a "closed software bin" where any program that was closed would go and stay out of sight for a time period (say 60 sec) and then close by itself. if the software was minimized before sending to the closed software bin (could be a tray icon or part of the taskbar) I believe windows frees up memory.
Obvoisly the point of it all is that you can reopen a program you accidentily closed without losing the information you were working on.
It wouldn't work well with games so perhaps it needs an exception list. Could this be realised? Thanks
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this is a very clever idea, but im not sure how you could do it..
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They tried to do something similar in WinME...not give up RAM when a program was closed right away...wait a few minutes.
That way if you reopened the same program it would open faster the 2nd time.
It was a disaster...a deliberate "memory leak" with really nasty results.
Minimizing an app to tray would have same effect on your system.
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So what you are saying is instead use a program that on close minimizes the software to your tray, and if you really want to close it immediately use a keyboard shortcut like ALT-F4 to bypass this mechanism?
But then you'd end up with dozens of items in your tray that you'd have to manually close. Maybe the implementation is not as straightforward then.
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Also, don't forget that if that worked like that, you wouldn't like to keep the apps open, and you'd end up by always closing it through alt + f4 (because you'd create an habbit out of it). This means that you'd be in the exact same situation you are now.
I think that the only solution would be to have a program that would keep a "log" of the programs opened and closed. But i have no idea on how a program could keep such log.
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Hmmm... I"m out of my depth here BUT it seems to me that the OP was suggesting that programs be placed in a bin (cache?) for about 60 seconds BEFORE shutting down as normal. That would give you time to go "Oh my gosh! I didn't mean to close AutoCAD!" and retrieve it from the bin before it goes through its normal shutdown sequence. If implemented like this, I can't see how this would lead to a memory leak? If I understand it correctly, the bin would be a GUI that displays links to programs that are in a 60 second queue for normal shutdown - so that essentially all that is being done is that a 60 second delay is being put on the shutdown of apps. This could work, from an end-user's perspective if the option of ignoring some apps (webbrowsers for example) was part of it...
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:) Try this one.
(https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/GoneIn60s/GoneIn60s.gif) GoneIn60s (http://www.1HourSoftware.com) - Recover closed applications.
Features:
- Click the X or press Alt-F4 to close an application
- Rightclick the tray icon and select the application to recover
- Doubleclick the tray icon to recover all applications
- If not restored, it is gone in 60 seconds
(https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/GoneIn60s/GoneIn60sScreen.gif) (http://www.1hoursoftware.com)
You'll find the downloads and more info at 1 Hour Software by Skrommel (http://www.1HourSoftware.com).
Skrommel
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Wow, genius! Thanks so much! :-* Hopefully it will be useful to many others.
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:-[ Thanks! I was wondering about hiding the windows instead of minimizing them. What do you think?
Skrommel
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On the one hand it's easy to restore from the taskbar but I find they can still get in the way. hmm can you add them dynamically to the system tray menu and hide them instead of minimizing them to the taskbar? I don't think people would restore software often enough to have them take up taskbar space.
Also I found that some slower software such as outlook becomes stuck semi transparently for a fraction of a second, a minor niggle really but if you know why? (maybe part of the minimizing animation of windows).
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:) I think I'll put the windows in the tray menu. I made the windows transparent just to remind the user that they could be restored, but maybe there's a better way of alerting him...
Skrommel
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:) Try GoneIn60s (http://www.1HourSoftware.com) v1.1.
Changes:
- 20061202 - v1.1: Removes the closed apps from the taskbar, adds them to the tray menu. Restores closed apps on exit.
Skrommel
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Thanks Skrommel ! I installed it, works great !
I'll use it for a week or so and see if I find it really useful.
One suggestion though : when restored, the windows position/size are messed up... Can you do something about this ? pretty low priority, though... The basic idea is that, normally, you don't have to restore windows ;o)
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Nice work Skrommel, havent tried it but this thread was exciting! Good to see you made the request ;D
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:) Try GoneIn60s (http://www.1hoursoftware.com) v1.2.
Changes:
- 20061228 - v1.2: Recovered apps reappear properly.
Skrommel
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:) Try GoneIn60s (http://www.1hoursoftware.com) v1.2.
Changes:
- 20061228 - v1.2: Recovered apps reappear properly.
Skrommel
-skrommel
I tried "Gone in 60 seconds" a couple of months ago, and I ended up uninstalling it. It brought everything back without me asking it to. If I closed the program again, it would reopen it in 60 seconds again, and again, and again...
I would love to use this program, but not until I can prevent that glitch from happening. Any suggestions?
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:tellme: I'm a but uncertain of what you mean, but I've made GoneIn60s (http://www.1hoursoftware.com) close, not kill a program, to have it ask whether to save any unsaved work. It might be that this is happening.
I could make an option to kill a window instead of closing it...
I've also thought of making it so that rightclicking the X-button kills a program.
Skrommel
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:tellme: I'm a but uncertain of what you mean, but I've made GoneIn60s (http://www.1hoursoftware.com) close, not kill a program, to have it ask whether to save any unsaved work. It might be that this is happening.
I could make an option to kill a window instead of closing it...
I've also thought of making it so that rightclicking the X-button kills a program.
No, I must not have explained it clearly. Let's say I finished using Program A, so I closed it and had no intention of reopening it. I went on about my business, but a while later Program A popped up all by itself, re-opened by "Gone in 60 Seconds." I frowned and closed it, and in a little while it popped up again, re-opened by "Gone in 60 seconds." This went on endlessly until I uninstalled "Gone in 60 seconds." That's the problem I was referring to.
Skrommel
-skrommel
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:tellme: Exactly the behaviour you would get from an app with unsaved data.
Skrommel
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Just to feed back to you. There's some problems with, what I think ,the way such software can "catch" closed software. For example, on exiting an app with unsaved info, some spawn a new dialogue asking you whether you want it saved or not, others must spawn a dialogue as part of their app. I am a web developer not a win32 developer so perhaps I am mistaken.
For example the dialogue box on exiting notepad causes problems with GoneIn60s. I also had some problems with Quicktime, closing it while it's still buffering and downloading a movie locked up my pc. I guess this is due to Quicktime's implementation, maybe there are too many variations?
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:tellme: So who's woting to kill the windows instead of closing them, risking the loss of unsaved data?
Skrommel
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some suggestions: make the shutdown time adjustable and make an ignore option, because i have some programs that when the X is closed it auto desends to the tray as an icon, and when the seconds are up it just re-pops up now because gonein60 just cached it..very frustrating.. :( Examples are Utorrent, Frostwire, & Peerguardian2...
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:) Try GoneIn60s v1.3!
Changes:
- 20070615 - v1.3: Added options to change the gone time, kill windows and ignore apps.
Skrommel
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Uhm... I found a bug in Gonein60s regarding Notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sf.net):
I open the application ...
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9305/vorherwl0.th.png) (http://img229.imageshack.us/vorherwl0.png)
... send it to the tray ...
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6051/menki0.png)
... and the application's toolbar disappears!
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4804/nachherte7.th.png) (http://img229.imageshack.us/nachherte7.png)
But why?
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Like Betsy
If I closed the program again, it would reopen it in 60 seconds again, and again, and again...
I would love to use this program, but not until I can prevent that glitch from happening. Any suggestions?
I have some programs that keep on coming back and some that it doesn't save at all. Idea is great. Sometimes it works but not always :huh: Bazza
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How about the option to "Clear ALL" to stop prevoiusly closed programs from popping up again UNWANTED, unless you can fix the problem. bigbazza
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Thanks skrommel for a great application.
One bug on my XP machine: when I press the Start button, the whole task bar disappears, and after the 60 seconds I get a system Shutdown message.
Indeed on the Start button I get two tooltips - the original "Click here to begin", and additionally the app's "Gone in X seconds".
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How about the option to "Clear ALL" to stop prevoiusly closed programs from popping up again UNWANTED, unless you can fix the problem. bigbazza
-bigbazza
I have got the same problem of apps coming back automatically after 60s and I think a KILL via tray would be a good an easy solution to this.
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Guess who made it to CNET's "The Daily Download Blog" (http://www.download.com/8301-2007_4-9844149-12.html?tag=head)? And featured in the corresponding newsletter, too ;D
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Skrommel's seems to be on a sabbatical but maybe all these bug reports may tempt him back.. :-\
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Skrommel's seems to be on a sabbatical but maybe all these bug reports may tempt him back.. :-\
-lanux128
I hope it does! As for now, the bug with winodws reappearing again and again became so unnerving, that I removed the app from my system :-(
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Could you please include a 16 x 16 icon as well? Thank you kindly.
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Bug: Add Explorer.exe on IgnoreList and try to close the Explorer Window, nothing happens...
BTW I use QTTabBar.
Ok, some seconds later everything worked... o_O strange...
(Is it possible to disable the Tooltip with the info, which process is hovered?)
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I just came across this tiny app which is just what I've been looking for! Thanks a lot!
Unfortunaly however the GoneIn60s.exe has NO icon here (XP Home Sp3). I've re-downloaded it several times, always NO icon, just the name is visible. And what is worse: No icon in the systray either when the app is running?!?!?
Does anybody experience the same bug??? Can the author help me, please?!?
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This might be a case of skrommel needing to recompile this.. Skrommel wake up!
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given the prolific rate that Skrommel writes programs, maintenance will usually take some time. :)
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:) Just uploaded GoneIn60s v1.4!
- Added option to ignore classes, closes windows when exiting.
Skrommel
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Great idea and program! I'm testing it out w.r.t. : IDEA: reopen recently opened explorer windows, history, MRU (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=5102) (thanks to lanux128's suggestion)
I found it amusing while testing that the program's own about box can be recovered -- what a nice bit of semi-self-reference :)
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In my environment, it appears that (perhaps w/ other factors involved) VirtualBox and GoneIn60s don't play well together [1]. Specifically, I'm finding that some times GoneIn60s doesn't appear to "capture" the apps that I close.
[1] I guess this is not too surprising and I'd hazard a guess that some VMWare products might behave similarly though I haven't tested this myself.
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[1] I guess this is not too surprising and I'd hazard a guess that some VMWare products might behave similarly though I haven't tested this myself.-ewemoa
that'd be my guess as well. visualization might interfere with the windows detection. :)
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My current guess is that apps that do focus-related auto-capturing [1] (e.g. VirtualBox, VMWare, some VNC clients [2]) are likely suspects in being trouble-makers for GoneIn60s.
[1] Is that what you mean by "visualization"?
[2] Now I have to find some app that has a name not beginning w/ the letter V that I can suspect...hmmm...oh, I did have some trouble while using VirtuaWin [3]...darn, that begins w/ "V" too :(
[3] Haven't narrowed it down enough to say for sure -- will keep an eye out for this to come up w/ reproducing instructions.
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My current guess is that apps that do focus-related auto-capturing [1] (e.g. VirtualBox, VMWare, some VNC clients [2]) are likely suspects in being trouble-makers for GoneIn60s.
[1] Is that what you mean by "visualization"?-ewemoa
i meant 'virtualization'. i had meant to say that these type of software might interfere due to the way the AHK script detects the active window. sorry about the typo. :-[
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Thanks for the clarification -- I think I understand better now :)
Perhaps if a number of offending apps use a similar approach, if that approach could be coped w/, it would mean that individual app-specific work-arounds wouldn't be necessary...OTOH, may be there are no (or very few) users who are actually experiencing these problems...
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This is similar to the request.
I don't know how it works, i haven't tried it.
And the homepage for it will not come up.
But here it is at snapfiles.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/smartclose.html
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Well, I installed it and used it.
It's great for system snapshots.
But to make one it shuts down everything it can.
So it knows what to open back up I guess.
It does keep the computer running at a minimum.
Then restoring the snapshot starts everything it closed.
I had ms word, ac browser plus, slickrun and firefox opened and up on the screen.
It restored everything back to the way it was including the web page I had Firefox on which wasn't my home page.
So it's not similar to the requested program of this thread.
But I think it is unique in that it will open back up everything you had up and working with. Like a workspace saver. And more then one 'workspace' can be saved.
But it has to close everything it can to save. There are no selective options for one or a few programs and services.
So, sorry it don't fit the thread, it's a different deal.
edit-found it here also, didn't search dc for it, before finding it
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6205.0
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I like to request a feature; an option to remove an item from the list.
It's not possible to close the program permanently, so I have to wait the whole 60 seconds (or different) for the program to close.
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I'm having an unexpected problem with GoneIn60s.
If I close an app using Alt+F4, everything works as expected. However, if I just click the close button (X) of a window, it will not end up in the list to be restored.
Am I misunderstanding how it is supposed to work?
-K
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- If not restored, it is gone in 60 seconds
-skrommel
can we disable this? ie. to maintain as many as possible last closed program windows?
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An awesome idea with a bit buggy realization.
Nonetheless, thanks for that util!
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Hi Skrommel, first of all sorry to bump an old topic but this app is such a genius. Gonein60Secs in fantastic but would it possible to remove the timeout entirely? How about remembering it until the user logs out/restarts, essentially turning GoneIn60seconds into a Recently closed apps list like the list Windows maintains for documents?
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I have 2 freewares that work on a similar premise. There is no time-out. Instead there are a limited number of spaces for recently close programs. One utility is ReRun. It works especially well on 32 bit Windows. On 64 bit it's a mixed bag. In a few weeks or months I may try to rework it so it works equally well on both 32 and 64 bit. ReRun pops up a bar with up to 32 buttons. The icon on the button is from the recently closed program.
The other one is ReOpen and it uses a ListBox with the paths of recently run programs.
To be more precise, a program doesn't have to be closed to be added to the list. It just needs to have gotten focus. In other words these monitor the active window.
They may both be downloaded from my site here:
http://milesaheadsoftware.tk