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Title: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on January 31, 2020, 03:42 PM
Clipboard Help+Spell (CHS) is finally getting support for storing extended clipboard data.. This thread is for discussing that feature..

It can now save clips with multiple data formats in the database and restore them properly.  It has a whole set of features and options to support this, so that you can see exactly what's being saved, and have fine or coarse grain control over ignore certain formats, etc.

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DOWNLOAD Alpha Version:
https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/clipboardhelpandspell/downloads/alpha/ClipboardHelpAndSpellPortable.zip
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: cranioscopical on January 31, 2020, 04:52 PM
 :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: IainB on February 01, 2020, 02:52 AM
Brilliant plan!   :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 02, 2020, 05:37 AM
Sent you an email.  Thanks for pursuing this!
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 02, 2020, 11:33 AM
Getting there..
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 02, 2020, 01:35 PM
Ok the basics are now working -- and the hard part is done.

The clip database can now save all clipboard formats associated with a clip in the database, and paste them back into targets.  :up:


Still a lot more to do to iron out the rough edges and then a lot more to do in terms of adding options and tools to help people avoid having their database size grow astronomically...  And then a bunch of miscelaneous options to add to let people configure how they want this to work.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 02, 2020, 01:40 PM
Current new tab available when you look at a clip:
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Here you can see what extended format data has been saved alongside the clip.

The idea is that this information might help you later set some filters in the program regarding what formats you want the program to keep or discard.  Currently the program is not being smart about avoiding storing redundant formats, that's on my todo list.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 02, 2020, 05:11 PM
Will it have a formatted preview in the Clip Text box when there is a non-text item selected?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 02, 2020, 10:22 PM
Will it have a formatted preview in the Clip Text box when there is a non-text item selected?

RichText preview panel is implemented; that's probably the extent of the previewing.
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I suppose I could add some way to browse the raw clipboad formats in binary view, but not sure there is any point to that.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 03, 2020, 10:53 AM
FOR EARLY TESTERS ONLY:

I have uploaded an alpha version here:
https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/clipboardhelpandspell/downloads/alpha/ClipboardHelpAndSpellPortable.zip

I have only uploaded the portable version, because I'd prefer people not install this on top of their existing CHS *YET*.

So you should unpack this to a new directory, exit your current CHS instance, and start this one; in that way it will not mess with your existing CHS data.
(backing up your CHS database folder couldn't hurt anyway).


Having said that, this version will happily upgrade your existing database seamlessly, so feel free to copy your existing database files into the new portable install to start with them, and the final version will simply install over your existing CHS as normal.


By default, this new alpha version will capture EVERYTHING on the clipboard with each clip.  This can rapidly grow your database size very large if you are using applications which put a lot of data on the clipboard.  I added a column to show the clip "blob" size so you can see how much space is being used.  You can turn off the capture of extended info in the options, which will make your CHS revert to how it always has behaved with plain text (and optinally image) copying only.


PLEASE NOTE: Because this version inefficiently stores multiple redundant formats in the database, it is *NOT* meant for real use yet.  It is storing much more than it needs to (like multiple versions of large image data).  As such, unless you are curious or willing to help test, do NOT replace your existing CHS with this, and plan to DELETE any CHS database you build with this.

Future versions will be more efficient about saving extended data formats.

There are other inefficiencies and missing features in this version which will be improved in near future releases.  Duplicate handling does not look at extended clipboard data, clipboard contents are captured twice (once for normal data, again for blob), etc.


With all that said, I'm interested to hear any feedback.. Support for extended clipboard formats has been a LONG time coming..


ps. Remember you can right-click or shift-click in the pop-up quick paste menu to choose to PLAINTEXT paste any clip if you want to bypass the pasting of the full extended clipboard blob formats for any given clip.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 03, 2020, 12:30 PM
If you have ideas for options you would like to see let me know.
It's hard trying to think of options that would be suitable for non-experts and experts alike.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 03, 2020, 12:56 PM
And of course let me know any bugs!
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 03, 2020, 03:17 PM
A quick initial test:
seems to be working well with vector data, copying, saving and correctly pasting filled vectors and grouped items (line + text).
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 11, 2020, 05:29 AM
I just got this setup, and it seems to be working fine.  All I note so far is that it lacks a proper preview for graphical formats.  Is there something I need to do to enable the "Rich Text" tab I see in one of the screenshots you posted earlier, mouser?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 12, 2020, 11:24 AM
Just make sure you have the options set to capture RichText, and then try capturing some richtext from MS Word or something similar.
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 12, 2020, 12:48 PM
Okay, those two checkboxes seem to be checked by default.  That would make sense.

When I copy something from the web, I do not get a same-format preview, and there's no Rich Text tab.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 12, 2020, 12:51 PM
When I copy something from the web, I do not get a same-format preview, and there's no Rich Text tab.

Yeah you can see in the BlobInfo tab that copying from a web browser does not get you RichText format, it gets you HTML format, which CHS won't preview..  I might be able to add an HTML preview tab though..
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 12, 2020, 06:12 PM
Try redownloading; new version has html preview and unicode preview.

Another surprise discovery is that the html block saved to the clipboard by browsers has the url of the page embedded in it.. This means I can more reliably grab the source url from modern browsers in the future.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 12, 2020, 10:05 PM
New version uploaded.
CHS is a little smarter now about saving redundant formats that it doesn't need to.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 12, 2020, 10:33 PM
CHS doing multiformat:
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
Just downloaded and unpacked the zip into my working CHSP folder.  This is what I see in the html preview tab of a capture I did from a few posts above this one.

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2020, 11:16 AM
That's normal -- I have the image downloading turned off.. If I turn it on it will look closer to the actual capture of the html, but it would be downloading the images to view them in the preview, which I'm not sure people want and not sure really what the point is.
Remember that CHS is not like a web-page-archiving tool.. There are some of those that download an entire web page and all of it's associated images for offline use.. That's not going to be something that CHS does.

For that you might try the Local Website Archive tool: https://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm

I'd like to hear more from you about how you'd like to use CHS so we can figure out what features might be most important and usable.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2020, 03:21 PM
I've got a big TODO list related to the multiformat stuff, some harder than others.
I'd love to hear what people think are their top priorities for using this new extended format version.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 13, 2020, 07:38 PM
Here is one of your competitor's html preview of the same clip I used in my last post.  Given the choice, I'd take fidelity in clip reproduction over whatever it is you're going for.  When I look at what you are previewing, especially after a few days have gone by, I'd probably be scratching my head over what it was that I was clipping.  This one here doesn't leave me with a rash at all.

(sorry, I really haven't figured out how to attach a full-size image in here)
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 13, 2020, 09:43 PM
A question to users regarding saving image data:

When I added image clip support to CHS, I implemented it by saving image clips to stand alone standard image files (png typically), stored in a subdirectory organized by date.
I think there are some real advantages of this over storing raw image data in the standard clip database:

But now that I'm adding support for storing larger blobs of binary data in the database, I'd be curious if folks would prefer to have image data stored in the normal clip database as well? Is there any point in adding support for this option?
I can't think of any (other than it would have been easier to implement from the start but that's moot at this point).
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 14, 2020, 12:38 AM
Updated with somewhat improved capture options:
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: cranioscopical on February 14, 2020, 08:17 AM
I'd be curious if folks would prefer to have image data stored in the normal clip database as well?
-mouser (February 13, 2020, 09:43 PM)

For me, keeping the database robust trumps duplication.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 15, 2020, 08:25 AM
I'd be curious if folks would prefer to have image data stored in the normal clip database as well?
-mouser (February 13, 2020, 09:43 PM)

For me, keeping the database robust trumps duplication.
-cranioscopical (February 14, 2020, 08:17 AM)

I agree.  I think it should all go into the database, but given that you (mouser) are worried about database bloat, a good backup and purge feature might help in that regard.  Perhaps a dropdown listing 1, 3, 6, 9, 12 month or older, and a button to backup and purge clips beyond the selected cleanup period.  On click, open a file dialog to the db directory and provide a default purge database name based on the selected cleanup period and the current date.  Maybe even give the option to just purge without backup (not the default) because there will probably be many who would be fine with a straight delete without save.

But now that I think of it, aren't there already automated backup, and purge settings?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 17, 2020, 07:25 AM
New version uploaded.
I had to make some more elaborate changes to the multi-format "blob" data used by chs, such that previous blob data in clips from prior alpha versions won't be readable by this version.

I've still got quite a bit of work to do bringing everything in line with the new code, but CHS should be pretty good at saving and restoring the complete set of formats associated with clips, and hopefully handling duplicate detection, etc.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 17, 2020, 04:45 PM
So what I've done so far:


What's left to be done:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 18, 2020, 04:05 AM
Ok new version uploaded.. I'd like to get some feedback before I do too much more.
You might want to click the small button to the far left on the grid header row to show some of the columns to see more Blob info, etc.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 18, 2020, 08:21 AM
I'm still not seeing images in a the HTML Preview tab.  Is there something I'm missing, or are you decisive about just not going there?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 18, 2020, 05:07 PM
I'm still not seeing images in a the HTML Preview tab. 
-djMot (February 18, 2020, 08:21 AM)



Try re-downloading to get the latest version and then enable this option:
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 18, 2020, 09:25 PM
Here's a little trick, create a virtual folder(group) showing you only Large clips in your database (those bigger than 100k):
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There are actually now 2 fields related to a clip's size.  DataSize is total size of clip INCLUDING any external image size.  BlobSize does not include size of external image.

You can click on the little button to the far left on the column header to see and show more clip field names.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 18, 2020, 11:09 PM
Updated with some improvement to the organization of the options dialog.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 19, 2020, 09:21 AM
I'm still not seeing images in a the HTML Preview tab. 
-djMot (February 18, 2020, 08:21 AM)



Try re-downloading to get the latest version and then enable this option:
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-mouser (February 18, 2020, 05:07 PM)

Yup!  Beautiful!  THANK YOU!   8) :D :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 19, 2020, 09:34 AM
Here's a little trick, create a virtual folder(group) showing you only Large clips in your database (those bigger than 100k):
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There are actually now 2 fields related to a clip's size.  DataSize is total size of clip INCLUDING any external image size.  BlobSize does not include size of external image.

You can click on the little button to the far left on the column header to see and show more clip field names.
-mouser (February 18, 2020, 09:25 PM)

Interesting.  So the SQL text box contains a WHERE clause, 'eh?  Is there a database schema somewhere so we can understand what's available to construct a WHERE clause from?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 19, 2020, 05:48 PM
Is there a database schema somewhere so we can understand what's available to construct a WHERE clause from?

I will try to make one.  The help file needs some real updating.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 19, 2020, 06:07 PM
Any more thoughts about what features are most important that still need to be added to make this multi-format stuff useful?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 19, 2020, 07:20 PM
A quick look at the most recent version:

1. vector clips are being duplicated.

2. I havent used CHS for images of late. I changed default image size to 10,000 and copied a few images under 1MB in size (from dopus). The clips are listed but no images are showing in quick-paste nor in main window. If I copy an image again, I get the 'I'm already in the database' sound.  Am I doing something wrong?
Blob info
2.01kb (19 formats)

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"dopus_cf_hdrop" [0000C2F1]: 90b (query 0ms)
"CF_HDROP" [0000000F]: 90b (query 0ms)
"FileName" [0000C006]: 34b (query 0ms)
"FileNameW" [0000C007]: 68b (query 0ms)
"dopus_cf_typetable" [0000C369]: 5b (query 0ms)
"dopus_cf_sizetable" [0000C36A]: 40b (query 0ms)
"DOpusSourcePath" [0000C365]: 40b (query 0ms)
"dopus_cf_rotation" [0000C367]: 2b (query 0ms)
"InShellDragLoop" [0000C10A]: 0b (query 0ms)
"Preferred DropEffect" [0000C0E3]: 4b (query 0ms)
"Performed DropEffect" [0000C106]: 4b (query 0ms)
"Paste Succeeded" [0000C108]: 4b (query 0ms)
"TargetCLSID" [0000C10C]: 16b (query 0ms)
"dopus_cf_sourcethread" [0000C36B]: 4b (query 0ms)
"dopus_cf_fromopus" [0000C36E]: 4b (query 0ms)
"dopus_cf_namespace" [0000C366]: 0b (query 0ms)
"Ole Private Data" [0000C013]: 936b (query 0ms)
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Extended (non-redundant) data save size: 2.01kb
Hash: 4D5AE5F1


3. HTML: it's very nice that the url is saved when copying text from a webpage
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 19, 2020, 07:25 PM
Can you give me some screenshots to show me what you are talking about regarding #1 and #2?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 19, 2020, 07:26 PM
it's very nice that the url is saved when copying text from a webpage
Yeah i think i will add code to grab those source urls and put them into the normal clip info, so they are available in the grid and even if you don't store html.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 19, 2020, 08:05 PM
Can you give me some screenshots to show me what you are talking about regarding #1 and #2?
-mouser (February 19, 2020, 07:25 PM)
I only have the ancient Freehand9 on this machine (but presume that that is not actually relevant). The vector clips from Freehand shown here are identical:

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1,2,4-9 and A are all image files copied from dopus, shown below (21=1, etc)

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 19, 2020, 08:09 PM
The vector clips from Freehand shown here are identical:
-tomos (February 19, 2020, 08:05 PM)
FWIW the blob info has different hash numbers
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: IainB on February 19, 2020, 08:46 PM
@mouser:
Any more thoughts about what features are most important that still need to be added to make this multi-format stuff useful?
-mouser (February 19, 2020, 06:07 PM)
:Thmbsup:  :Thmbsup:  :Thmbsup:

Yes, I have a couple:

The changes you are making would seem to be in line with some already defined requirements, as detailed in User Requirements for CHS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtrIby-RfgLNdFNwT0h4dlB4SFR1ZjlBbnlhUTdZeVE)
I gather some other users have added their requirements to that document.
The more you could meet of those requirements, the better!   :Thmbsup:

Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 19, 2020, 08:54 PM
The vector clips from Freehand shown here are identical:

Ok, so what you are saying is you copied something multiple times, and CHS is not figuring out that the clips are identical and should be regarded as duplicates?
I noticed this happening in firefox too, but as you point out, the hashes were different, so I'm guessing that their is something in the blob data that is NOT identical, like perhaps a timestamp.

The solution to this is:

I'll also try to add a better caption in the quick paste menu for blob data that has no text.
It might be nice to have a hex viewer dialog you could bring up for blob contents so you could actually see the raw contents of the blob data for this kind of debugging.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2020, 12:46 AM
Updated with some fixes.  No more blank captions on quick-paste popup if a clip has no text or image.
Grabbing urls when copying from web pages is now done by looking at the html source content (and saved in Notes field of clips); in addition to being more robust it captures much faster and solves the slow firefox capture in previous versions.

I'd appreciate testing on more web browsers to see if there are any where CHS can't capture the urls. (i have tried firefox, ie, and chrome).
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 20, 2020, 04:52 AM
Ok, so what you are saying is you copied something multiple times, and CHS is not figuring out that the clips are identical and should be regarded as duplicates?
I noticed this happening in firefox too, but as you point out, the hashes were different, so I'm guessing that their is something in the blob data that is NOT identical, like perhaps a timestamp.

The solution to this is:

    1. Live with it and don't worry about having duplicate clips in such a case since it won't happen too often.
    2. Wait for rules that would let you ignore blob items irrelevant to the content, which could solve your problem if the timestamp (or whatever) is not the main vector content.
    3. I may add display of hash values for the individual format chunks in a blob so you could ID which one is changing..
-mouser (February 19, 2020, 08:54 PM)
not currently a problem for me (and probably wont be in the future), but for reference, here I compare two blobs -- more different than I thought...

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 20, 2020, 04:57 AM
1,2,4-9 and A are all image files copied from dopus, shown below (21=1, etc)
-tomos (February 19, 2020, 08:05 PM)
can anyone comment about images: am I misunderstanding how that works? Can I not simply copy an image file?
@mouser, still nothing shown in most recent alpha for images as per screenshots in quoted post
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 20, 2020, 05:05 AM
[Request / rambling thoughts]

nice would be the ability to name image (and vector) clips. Could e.g. then be saved in favourites with clarity as to what exactly it is (often not clearly visible in thumbnail).

Can we actually *stop* image thumbnails showing in the quick-paste menu /sub-menus? Just curious -- I believe I would mostly reuse vector clips from the favourites and would be happy enough to not be able to see thumbnails if they have relevant titles.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2020, 06:53 AM
Next version will include a little clipboard viewer tool you can bring up:
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2020, 06:54 AM
Can we actually *stop* image thumbnails showing in the quick-paste menu /sub-menus?
-tomos (February 20, 2020, 05:05 AM)


Try these options:
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2020, 06:55 AM
nice would be the ability to name image (and vector) clips. Could e.g. then be saved in favourites with clarity as to what exactly it is (often not clearly visible in thumbnail).
You can customize clip titles.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 20, 2020, 07:06 AM
^ thanks mouser. I obviously need to get to know CHS better :-[
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2020, 05:02 AM
New version uploaded, with clipboard blob viewer.  You can access it through the View menu.. Let me know what you think and of course report any bugs.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 21, 2020, 08:23 AM
Could we get some scroll bars on the HTML Source preview tab? (and any other tab that doesn't have them)  Thanks.

I am also seeing duplicate clips, although I'm not sure it's all that big of a deal.  Would be nice to get it collapsed down into one, though.  OR, does the grid control you're using support multi-level (aka grouped) entries?  If so, you could put clips that have multiple captures in an expandable row. 

Example duplication:
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Awesome updates so far!  THANK YOU for the effort and all the new features!   8)

Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2020, 08:44 AM
Can you see if the duplicate clips have identical clob hash values?
I see the hashes are different.  But now with the new Clip Blob interrogator you should be able to view both blobs with hashes for each format and see WHERE they differ.  If they only differ in a format chunk that is irrelevant, I will soon have options that let you ignore those formats.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 21, 2020, 11:04 AM
Yes, the blob hash values are all different.

Here's an interesting twist.  After I posted the last screenshot, two more of the exact same clip showed up out of nowhere spaced a couple of minutes from the original two.   :huh:

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on February 21, 2020, 11:11 AM
Can you see if the duplicate clips have identical clob hash values?
I see the hashes are different.  But now with the new Clip Blob interrogator you should be able to view both blobs with hashes for each format and see WHERE they differ.  If they only differ in a format chunk that is irrelevant, I will soon have options that let you ignore those formats.
-mouser (February 21, 2020, 08:44 AM)

Ah okay.  Is the blob interrogator in there yet, or is that yet to come?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2020, 08:12 PM
Could we get some scroll bars on the HTML Source preview tab?
yep, done.

Is the blob interrogator in there yet, or is that yet to come?
it's there, in view menu.

Here's an interesting twist.  After I posted the last screenshot, two more of the exact same clip showed up out of nowhere spaced a couple of minutes from the original two.

Ok I see these have different hashes, so the contents of the seemingly duplicate clips are different.  See my reply above about this, and go into the blobs with the blob interrogator and let us see which formats are different...

I have noticed that MS excel this can happen also -- its happening maybe because these MS Office apps are doing something strange.. perhaps copying to the clipboard in two separate events in quick succession, for some reason I don't understand.  Or perhaps CHS is trying to read the clipboard before the app finishes with it..

Here's something that may fix it.  I've added a new option to increase the delay between the triggering of a clipboard event and CHS acting on that trigger, so that 2 quick success triggers will only result in the final capture:
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As I said earlier, the other fix which will be available in a future version of CHS will be if the clips are duplicates except for a one or two irrelevant data formats, to mark those formats as IGNORE or IGNORE-FOR-PURPOSES-OF-CALCULATING-UNIQUE-HASH.

Other possible solutions would be: Having a list of applications that CHS should increase delay-before-capture behavior, or some kind of smart process to overwrite the previous clip when the subsequent one happens in super fast succession.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2020, 08:55 PM
Or the problem could be my hash calculation on blobs has some bugs.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2020, 12:43 AM
Updated with some miscellaneous bug fixes to handling of duplicates and other things.

Most notable fix was that the new multi-format code was not deleting external image files associated with clips when the clips were deleted and removed from the recycle bin, so if you have image clips from a previous alpha version, you'll need to delete those image files manually when the clips are deleted.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 22, 2020, 11:51 AM
Mouser, this all just reporting CHS treatment of vector clips -- summary: it appears to work correctly but still saves duplicates.

Testing with Inkscape 0.92.4 (5da689c313, 2019-01-14)


Also note: Clips remain duplicated (setting is to update clip)
All clips appear identical when pasted:

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The only difference in blob info is time taken for the queries. One clip is 0.01kb smaller, other two same size. All have different hashes.
Mouser I cant find where to compare blob info -- you say under the view menu never mind it's under Tools menu. Can I actually compare two clips in this 'Interrogator' -- IIUC I can compare the clip that is selected in the main CHS window and the current clipboard clip. Here the difference between two of those duplicated clips shown above (they both paste correctly):

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2020, 06:24 PM
Can I actually compare two clips in this 'Interrogator'
There is no explicit compare function -- it's just the list of formats and hash values you would compare manually.
So what I'd like you to do is look at the two *seemingly* duplicate entries within CHS and view the database views of the blobs from the interrogator window, and see what's different in the interrogator list of formats for those two clips.

Can you show me screenshots of the interrogator for each of the two clips?

It's EITHER going to be the case that the clipboard blobs are different, or that CHS has a bug in dupe detection.


With the same vector drawing and delay set to 500ms -- one clip gets copied.
So I think that probably suggests that your having that same problem with apps that put a lot of info on the clipboard where CHS first grabs the clipboard and then the app adds more info and chs has to go again.  As before, there are a couple of options here -- either forcing a longer delay for CHS from some apps, or some process where i auto-delete the prior copy when there are 2 in close succession.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2020, 07:37 PM
I'm going to go ahead and move the clipboard capture delay option up to a more prominent location in the "More Capture Options" tab, and add an explanation for it; that will make it easier for people to notice.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 22, 2020, 10:04 PM
Slight tweek in new update; *might* (but probably won't) improve the issue of double clips.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 23, 2020, 12:27 AM
So what I'd like you to do is look at the two *seemingly* duplicate entries within CHS and view the database views of the blobs from the interrogator window, and see what's different in the interrogator list of formats for those two clips.

Can you show me screenshots of the interrogator for each of the two clips?

It's EITHER going to be the case that the clipboard blobs are different, or that CHS has a bug in dupe detection.
-mouser (February 22, 2020, 06:24 PM)
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only difference I can see there is the milliseconds taken. There could be a difference in the png -- I havent looked for them (from Inkscape they are not shown in CHS).
Will try new version later :up:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 23, 2020, 12:51 AM
only difference I can see there is the milliseconds taken.
Don't trust that view, it doesnt show HASH values -- I will add that now.

Ok I've uploaded a new version that shows blob format hashes now in main Blob tab; should make it easier to see if there are differences in clips.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 23, 2020, 05:44 AM
Updated with improved ability to set limits on different format sizes.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 23, 2020, 07:14 AM
I found an issue that *might* be responsible for the double duplicate captures.  Can you download and try the new version and see if it still occurs even if you lower the delay to 200 or so.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 23, 2020, 09:26 AM
Clipboard Help+Spell
v2.47.15 by DonationCoder

I found an issue that *might* be responsible for the double duplicate captures.  Can you download and try the new version and see if it still occurs even if you lower the delay to 200 or so.
-mouser (February 23, 2020, 07:14 AM)
:Thmbsup: with delay set to 200 only one clip gets copied.

I still get duplicates if I copy the same vector clip twice:

Code: Text [Select]
  1. 39.12kb (5 formats)
  2.  
  3. 5 format chunks.
  4.  
  5. "image/x-inkscape-svg" [C507]: Hash 41AFB00E | 2.88kb (query 31ms)
  6. "PNG" [C49B]: Hash F408A94C | 36.13kb (query 31ms)
  7. "CF_DIB" [0008]: Hash 00000000 | 0b (query 31ms)
  8. "CF_ENHMETAFILE" [000E]: Hash 00000000 | 0b (query 31ms)
  9. "CF_METAFILEPICT" [0003]: Hash 49E26D2A | 16b (query 0ms)
  10. -----
  11.  
  12. Extended (non-redundant) data save size: 39.12kb
  13. Extended clipboard scan time: 124ms
  14. Hash: 30403722

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  1. 39.12kb (5 formats)
  2.  
  3. 5 format chunks.
  4.  
  5. "image/x-inkscape-svg" [C507]: Hash 89894DD6 | 2.88kb (query 31ms)
  6. "PNG" [C49B]: Hash F408A94C | 36.13kb (query 31ms)
  7. "CF_DIB" [0008]: Hash 00000000 | 0b (query 31ms)
  8. "CF_ENHMETAFILE" [000E]: Hash 00000000 | 0b (query 31ms)
  9. "CF_METAFILEPICT" [0003]: Hash 16F78EE7 | 16b (query 0ms)
  10. -----
  11.  
  12. Extended (non-redundant) data save size: 39.12kb
  13. Extended clipboard scan time: 124ms
  14. Hash: CA51C702

Some hashes (lines 5 and 9) are different there, not sure what that means... or why they should be different, but I presume that's to do with the editor involved.

Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 23, 2020, 09:45 PM
I've added a new tab to the main view so you can see more easily the values of all the fields for the clip, whether they are shown in the grid or not:

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 24, 2020, 01:13 PM
Sorry, not sure if that was directed to me, in case, here again two duplicate clips:

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 24, 2020, 10:48 PM
Since it says the hashes of the CF_METAFILEPICT are different and are only 16 bytes, I'm thinking that actually what happens is that for CF_METAFILEPICT, the data is NOT actually the 16 bytes, but rather that it's a handle to data, and so CHS needs to do some special processing to grab that metafilepict data to store and restore it properly.  I'll work on it.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: wraith808 on February 24, 2020, 11:30 PM
What hasn't been looked it is do both clips restore correctly when pasted somewhere that is supposed to be able to interpret the data?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on February 25, 2020, 01:24 AM
What hasn't been looked it is do both clips restore correctly when pasted somewhere that is supposed to be able to interpret the data?
-wraith808 (February 24, 2020, 11:30 PM)
they look exactly the same when pasted back in Inkscape.
Here three different (should be identical) clips:

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: wraith808 on February 25, 2020, 05:00 PM
I wonder what would happen if that errant piece that the hash is different on was just excluded?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on February 29, 2020, 10:14 PM
I encountered an issue with the new alpha version after using it for several days where it wasn't updating the clip info as I was adding new clips, and the latest clip wasn't showing in the quick-paste popup menu, and had to restart the program to get it to resume..  Just a heads up.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on March 04, 2020, 07:32 AM
I'm noticing something with this beta. 

Although I have "Start with Windows" checked in the settings, it is not.  Frustrating because, after a restart, I'll be going along normally, and merrily cutting and copying away, only to find CHS isn't running and I have nothing but my last clip.

Can you confirm what I'm seeing here Mouser?  Is there something I need to do to fix this or wait for you to do something.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 04, 2020, 09:44 AM
I'm not sure why it wouldn't obey the start at startup, option, but I will check.
I have noticed that the new beta is much SLOWER to start, which I have to check out.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 05, 2020, 06:28 AM
I'm not sure why it wouldn't obey the start at startup, option, but I will check.
I have noticed that the new beta is much SLOWER to start, which I have to check out.
-mouser (March 04, 2020, 09:44 AM)
FWIW on windows 7 does start on reboot, but very slow as you say

On another note:
sometimes clips are not pasted properly -- a previous clip is pasted. When I look in the Quick-paste list, the correct clip shows top of the list (and pastes correctly when I select it). Has happened a few times (and I'm not using CHS intensively). Will keep an eye out to see if it happens again and if I notice anything in common with the instances.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 09, 2020, 01:29 AM
Updated with various improvements; support for proper handling of special Metafile data formats. The clipboard format interrogator also now lets you copy single formats to the clipboard -- useful for testing.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 09, 2020, 09:36 AM
Updated with various improvements; support for proper handling of special Metafile data formats. The clipboard format interrogator also now lets you copy single formats to the clipboard -- useful for testing.
-mouser (March 09, 2020, 01:29 AM)
I wanted to report that CHS is making duplicate clips from html text copied twice or more e.g. from the forum -- this is resolved with latest release. The clips are recognised as duplicates and only one copy shown on quick-paste list.
:up:

Copying the same vector clip twice is *not* recognised as duplicated clip. When I have some time I will try and look at what you suggest (just copying one format at a time).
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 09, 2020, 10:54 AM
Copying the same vector clip twice is *not* recognised as duplicated clip.

My *guess* is that this is because there is some data in one of the formats that is changing -- probably because of a time stamp.
The solution in that case will be some advanced rule to ignore a certain format (or just ignore its hash value).

The trick will be to look at the hash values of the formats in those two vector clips that look identical.  Let me know what you find.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 09, 2020, 12:27 PM
Just uploaded a minor update with new feature in the Clipboard Blob Interrogator: You can now right click on a format and save that one format to a file.  Useful for debugging formats and comparing formats, etc.

I think you'll find when you do that, that the two "seemingly" identical clips actually have some (inconsequential) differences.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 09, 2020, 01:06 PM
Also, the reason the new CHS was slower for me was that I have the options to backup and optimize the database when the program starts, and with all the large clips this process was taking longer, hence the slower startup times.  I added a tray message to announce when backing up was occurring, and if you have a slow backup you might want to consider disabling the backup on startup function.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 09, 2020, 01:51 PM
The files that are different are the svg files.

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on the left from folder chs1, right is chs2
Clips look identical when pasted.

This looks to me like Inkscape is titling all 'id numbers' differently. I guess that could be filtered, (please note for me this not so important -- I'm going to save clips occasionally to favourites. Beyond that I wont mind duplicates... Willing to keep checking though if you want: my main machine is down so currently no access to illustrator.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 09, 2020, 10:27 PM
No, that solves that issue.  I think for the most part its no big deal if you get duplicates.
Ideally it would be nice to be able to give CHS a rule like: ignore the hash of a specific format from a specific app.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 10, 2020, 03:06 AM
Uploaded new version which knows how to get image data from the clipboard in more formats.  Try it with your inkscape and see how it does.
You should now see image thumbnails in your quick paste pop up menu and from within the clip grid, etc.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 10, 2020, 04:59 AM
And updated again with a bugfix for image capture.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 10, 2020, 11:05 AM
Uploaded new version which knows how to get image data from the clipboard in more formats.  Try it with your inkscape and see how it does.
You should now see image thumbnails in your quick paste pop up menu and from within the clip grid, etc.
-mouser (March 10, 2020, 03:06 AM)
yes, working well, thanks!
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 10, 2020, 06:39 PM
Great  :Thmbsup:

Let me know any bugs or feature requests..

The thing I'm dreading the most is adding some advanced rule system to let people control what formats get ignored..
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 11, 2020, 12:51 PM
But please do let me know if you have any weird behavior.. I need to make sure I didn't break anything before I can put this into wider testing..
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 11, 2020, 03:54 PM
Updated so that even folks who have CHS set to only save plaintext, will still use the new url-grabbing feature to record the source url from web page text captures.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 11, 2020, 04:52 PM
FWIW I'm not using it very intensively, but it's doing fine so far
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on March 12, 2020, 05:17 AM
FWIW, I'm using it every day, all day.  It's mainly working fine and I think I've resolved the not-starting-with-Windows issue, although I can't explain how.  Might have something to do with multiple versions on the computer (portable beta vs non-portable normal release).  But I did get this error this morning:

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 12, 2020, 12:31 PM
Were you doing anything when the error occurred?
Can you check what version you are running that gave that error, and see if there is anything about the error at the bottom of the Troubleshooting Log page in the options?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on March 12, 2020, 04:15 PM
I don't see anything here that related to the error.  I took the screenshot Thursday March 12, 2020 at 05:07:30 AM.  As I recall, I wasn't doing anything (because I was remoted into the PC that get the error) and was probably doing something on the local machine when it popped up on the remote.

This is the entire log:
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::: [ Starting Clipboard Help+Spell v.2.47.17 on Monday March 09, 2020 at 07:07:59 AM ] :::
::: [ Program ends on Wednesday March 11, 2020 at 04:23:20 PM ] :::

::: [ Starting Clipboard Help+Spell v.2.47.17 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 at 04:33:38 PM ] :::
::: [ Starting Clipboard Help+Spell v.2.47.17 on Thursday March 12, 2020 at 11:47:18 AM ] :::
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 12, 2020, 10:41 PM
You are using a version somewhat older.. Try installing the latest.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on March 13, 2020, 08:22 AM
Really?  Because I downloaded and installed from the link on page 1 of this thread after reading your post on March 11, 2020, 03:54 PM (6 posts above this one) and there's been no further update announcement.  Is there a more official thread to get beta release notes and links?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 13, 2020, 09:38 AM
Really?  Because I downloaded and installed from the link on page 1 of this thread after reading your post on March 11, 2020, 03:54 PM (6 posts above this one) and there's been no further update announcement.  Is there a more official thread to get beta release notes and links?
-djMot (March 13, 2020, 08:22 AM)
hi djMot
my CHS exe (ClipboardHelpAndSpell.exe) downloaded from that link is dated 2020-03-11 21:45
Version number is 2.48.2
(Looking at my troubleshooting log, there's seems to have been two versions of 2.48.2)

Could be that it was in your browsers cache and you got an older version that way. Apparently that can happen.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 13, 2020, 12:32 PM
This is probably known but report in case not:
Russian text is saved properly, and does paste properly, but is not displayed correctly in the quick-paste menu:

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I'm presuming that's because CHS itself not unicode...
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 15, 2020, 03:05 AM
Yeah that's due to the old code not supporting unicode.  But as you say, the actual paste will be good.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 15, 2020, 03:07 AM
New version uploaded.  I put in some better code for letting me add new (and update old) built-in virtual groups.  You should see a new "Virtual Groups" node in your left hand group tree.

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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 17, 2020, 05:28 AM
Major new feature, a custom advanced rule system to control what formats get saved:
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The idea is that advanced users can use this feature to have CHS ignore formats that are unneeded and take up too much space, or keep a mostly text database with only a few exceptions where you want more formats, etc.

You could either set the default action to be to store all clipboard formats, and then just set a rule for blocking certain ones, or do the opposite, set the default action to reject all formats, and just set a rule to capture the rare ones you care about.

Just make sure you enable the formats in the main capture tab too.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 17, 2020, 01:42 PM
Obviously this new feature needs testing and I understand that it's going to be something only advanced users even know how to deal with -- but let me know if you spot anything funky.

The one confusing part is probably that there are now a bunch of redundant ways to tell CHS what formats to capture..
In addition to these advanced rules, you can specify elsewhere to ignore certain common formats and set size limits on those.  Those will override any advanced rules.
The main motivation here is that I feel the advanced rules are going to be too advanced for most users, and I still want to give them some control.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 17, 2020, 02:28 PM
Minor update: The Advanced Format rule editor now gives you some help in the form of a drop-down list of recently seen and common clipboard formats:
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 17, 2020, 03:32 PM
With a quick test 'Reject the format' working well here.

The drop-down list is great --  A very minor request:
could most recent sort to the top of the list? Would make them easier to access.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 17, 2020, 04:12 PM
Yeah I can do that no problem -- good idea.

And thanks for all the help testing, tomos!
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 17, 2020, 04:16 PM
Updated.  :up:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: djMot on March 19, 2020, 09:32 PM
New version just installed.
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:: [ Starting Clipboard Help+Spell v.2.51.0 on Thursday March 19, 2020 at 09:13:07 PM ] :::

I can no longer copy/paste across Remote Desktop.  Yes, the clipboard is enabled in the RD connectoid.  What setting controls this in CHSP?  It's not just the latest version that has been a problem this way.  Not sure when it started.  This is the first chance I've had to sit down and report it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 19, 2020, 09:44 PM
I don't think there is anything in CHS that effects this.. I wonder if its your remote desktop tool or a security app doing it?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 30, 2020, 06:15 PM
v2.52.1 alpha uploaded:
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on March 31, 2020, 04:47 PM
I'm still getting a very rare bug where it something goes wrong with the display updating, and clicking on a new clip does not show its details, and the most recent clip doesn't show up on the quick pop-up menu.  Only a restart of CHS seems to fix it.
I'm trying hard to track it down..

[EDIT: I'm hopeful that I may have found the problem.]
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: tomos on March 31, 2020, 05:38 PM
v2.52.1 alpha uploaded:
    ...
    • [Feature] Advance rules can now specify to ignore hash on certain formats.
-mouser (March 30, 2020, 06:15 PM)
this works for the inkscape vector clips :Thmbsup:
I set CHS to ignore the inkscape svg (image/x-inkscape-svg) hash, now duplicates are recognised as such. (If I modify the object slightly it is recognised as a new clip :up:)

Here the description of the problem in an earlier post:
The [format/s] that are different are the svg [formats].

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on the left from folder chs1, right is chs2
Clips look identical when pasted.

This looks to me like Inkscape is titling all 'id numbers' differently. I guess that could be filtered, (please note for me this not so important -- I'm going to save clips occasionally to favourites. Beyond that I wont mind duplicates... Willing to keep checking though if you want: my main machine is down so currently no access to illustrator.
-tomos (March 09, 2020, 01:51 PM)
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Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on April 02, 2020, 09:32 AM
2.54.1 updated
Some minor fixes.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on April 02, 2020, 04:59 PM
Let me know if you spot any bad behavior in the latest version.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on April 05, 2020, 08:47 PM
Any reports on the latest version?
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: oblivion on April 07, 2020, 07:59 AM
Any reports on the latest version?
-mouser (April 05, 2020, 08:47 PM)
I have nothing useful to offer here except the suggestion that, like Mary Poppins, it must be Practically Perfect In Every Way.

(I shall retreat back under my rock again, now.)
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: chashnniel on July 14, 2020, 05:02 AM
I'm using the latest alpha version.
When I tried to resize the main window, it keeps showing me this error.
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Note:
I used Reso (http://www.bcheck.net/apps/reso.htm) to run another software.
I tried to clean reinstall CHS but it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: mouser on July 15, 2020, 09:29 PM
lis it reproducible? i will try top see if i can reproduce it. if i can reproduce i can fix I'm just not sure whythe new version would introduce this.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: markfoley on February 02, 2023, 12:51 AM
Hi, sorry to necro the thread, but I've been trying to work out why my onenote text has lost all its formatting when pasted with CHS.  Is this formatting preservation feature considered live now?  Or is it just the portable one still that has this?  I did the normal install and can't see anything about formatting.
Title: Re: Clipboard Help+Spell Extended Clipboard Format Data Discussion Thread
Post by: patrickB on February 22, 2023, 07:40 AM
Hi,
In order to deploy the software more widely, it would be interesting to have a language txt file.
Some panels are technical and not easy to understand the configurations for non-English speakers.
I just bought it (donation) after testing and comparing various software (clipclip, clipmate, clipcache, arsclip ...), and I find it excellent! :Thmbsup:
Hoping that this project will not be abandoned, as observed, on this category of software (clipboard).

Sorry for my English :-[
Patrick