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Title: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on February 06, 2007, 07:38 PM
Anyone know of any specialized software for helping you plan woodworking projects like bookcases, cabinets, tables, etc?
Im planning on building some bookcases and my computer is asking me to let it help..
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on February 06, 2007, 09:40 PM
Depending on how early in the process of selecting lumber you intend to begin, this calculator for board feet might be useful: http://www.newwoodworker.com/ref/brdfeet.html
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on February 06, 2007, 09:46 PM
There are a few other basic items on this page... worth a look http://www.woodbin.com/
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Post by: CodeTRUCKER on February 06, 2007, 11:05 PM
Most CAD programs have a feature that will lend itself to specializing.  You might already have what you need if you have a CAD installed. 

Some that I have used are...

Minos - Free, cryptic and spartan, but lightning fast!
TurboCAD - Major contender to AutoCAD (or at least wants to be.)
IntelliCAD - Free(?) AutoCAD clone.
Pencil & Paper - Free, Y2K Compliant and well-proven.

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on February 06, 2007, 11:43 PM
thanks for the great woodbin.com find chris  :up:

Farmsteader thank you for that summary - that pretty much describes what i expected - paper and pencil are probably better for me.

Im going to be building a full wall-to-wall floor-to-ceiling bookcase.  I have some books that describe the process and equipment and i plan to rent some power tools for a weekend since it seems wastefull to try to buy all this stuff for just one project.  Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on February 07, 2007, 12:26 AM
Good Luck!  :Thmbsup:

I have built a number of items myself.  Once you have something drawn up, I would be happy to look at your plans and offer what ever I could.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on February 07, 2007, 12:35 AM
thanks farmsteader i will probably take you up on your offer to look at my plans in a personal message when the time gets nearer  :up:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: app103 on February 07, 2007, 01:05 AM
Considering the weight, and the fact that you rent an apartment, you might not want to build that all in one piece.

Bolstering a bookcase. Installing a wall-length floor-to-ceiling bookcase? You may have to strengthen the floor first. The average floor is built to withstand a load of 50 pounds per square foot, but the load of a filled bookcase is easily greater. Talk to a building inspector, carpenter, or an engineer before proceeding.
-http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=26217&pageIndex=7

You would have to bolt it to your wall and/or floor/ceiling to ensure it didn't tip over and kill you.

How would you ever get it out if you ever move?

I would probably build that case in parts of a width that would fit through my door.

Something like this:  

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http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProjectCenter/ProjectDetail.aspx?DOC_ID=p_2_51_16109_16124.html


Something like this could be another option:

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http://www.rd.com/americanwoodworker/articles/200009/bookcase/main.html

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Post by: f0dder on February 07, 2007, 06:06 AM
Im going to be building a full wall-to-wall floor-to-ceiling bookcase.  I have some books that describe the process and equipment and i plan to rent some power tools for a weekend since it seems wastefull to try to buy all this stuff for just one project.  Wish me luck!
-mouser
In the end, you'll probably be cursing and swearing and regretting that you didn't just buy some standard modular bookcases, though. At least I know I would.

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Perry Mowbray on February 07, 2007, 07:24 AM
In the end, you'll probably be cursing and swearing and regretting that you didn't just buy some standard modular bookcases, though. At least I know I would.
-f0dder (February 07, 2007, 06:06 AM)

Heck no... it's great fun (and tribulation which did result a quite a bit of cursing and swearing): but I'm glad I did it. Though when I built our bedroom cupboards it took a lot longer than a weekend!

- Perry
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: jacquesrober on February 07, 2007, 09:59 AM
I did some elaborate cabinets using Visio. It is simple to use and easy to learn unlike some cad programs. In assembling the cabinets, I found a source of  hardware ( http://www.quinkotek.com ) similar to the hardware provided with the precut computer furniture and cabinets. This hardware allows you to assemble or take apart and reassemble your furniture. It works with clamps that are not visible after assembly. The cutting of the wood requires quite a bit of accuracy. The cutting service offered at some wood suppliers might not be adequate. I used a kitchen cabinet manufacturer for my cutting needs and the assembly went perfectly.
If you would like to see some pics, let me know and I will see what I can come up with.
JR
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Nighted on February 07, 2007, 10:09 AM
Pencil and paper guy here.

I'd make that case modular as has been mentioned. I'd hit the library and see if they have any book from Taunton Press. They have some of the best workworking books around. I say some very good bookcase plans in those books. Maybe look for Shopnotes too. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to find PDF versions of them on the net.

Rent a table saw if you can, you'll be making a lot of similar cuts and for something like that, you want them to be accurate.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on February 07, 2007, 11:00 AM
Mouser: I'm going to be building a full wall-to-wall floor-to-ceiling bookcase.  I have some books that describe the process and equipment and i plan to rent some power tools for a weekend since it seems wastefull to try to buy all this stuff for just one project.  Wish me luck!

I think you'll have more advice than you can handle :)

Wall-to-wall, floor to ceiling is about as easy as it gets.   

FWIW I'd suggest you consider the following.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on February 07, 2007, 12:29 PM
I'll be posting pictures of the project so you can all follow along and see the masterpiece or the disaster, as the case may be [pun intended].
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on February 07, 2007, 08:10 PM
Forgive this old saw but you know the drill.  If you get board I fear this project will be shelved.  Forbidden to post another, you say?  Must be a banned saw.

And, yes, I am without shame.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: app103 on February 08, 2007, 12:55 AM
btw...mouser...if you ever need to build a fence, let me know. I am available and it will be the most beautiful sturdy work of genius you have ever seen. (I need to get pics of the one I did with my dad)
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Post by: Jimdoria on February 08, 2007, 11:06 AM
For this kind of project, SketchUp is a great choice. MUCH simpler to use and faster to learn than a "regular" CAD program. There's a free version available from Google that you can try out.
http://sketchup.google.com/ It's supposed to be mostly for adding 3-D buildings to Google Earth but you can use it for anything.

Working with SketchUp is much more intuitive than slinging polygons as you must do in many 3-D apps, and much more like working with real objects. Want to cut a hole in a board? Draw the board (elongated cube) then use the circle tool to draw a circle on the board (the pencil automatically snaps to the board's surface) then cut out the circle. If you ever tried to do this in a traditional 3-D app, wrestling with triangulation or subdividing polygons or object intersections, you'll appreciate how radical this simple approach is.

In short, if you want to learn a CAD program, buy a CAD program, but if you want to quickly produce some useful 3-D drawings, check out SketchUp.

Before Google bought them, the company that actually wrote this app (@Last Software) seemed like a pretty cool outfit. I always liked SketchUp, but couldn't afford it at the $500 price point. The full version (now called Sketchup Pro) is still available from http://www.sketchup.com/?id=2. 

The main benefits for which you need the Pro version are:

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: pao on February 08, 2007, 09:35 PM
For this kind of project, SketchUp is a great choice. MUCH simpler to use and faster to learn than a "regular" CAD program. There's a free version available from Google that you can try out.
-Jimdoria (February 08, 2007, 11:06 AM)

One caveat with SketchUp:  I've found it difficult to do exact dimensioning.  It requires some mouse-and-keyboard-fu, and changing dimensions after the fact is difficult enough that I've found it easier to delete missized objects and start over.  I'd prefer a parametric CAD system for generating plans for fine furnishings; that is to say, anything I was putting inside as opposed to a garage.

Or, you can use pencil and paper, as I did for my headboard, which came out fine.  I'd suggest getting a good, ghosted grid paper; I'm partial to the engineer's computation pad (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0008GM1BW/ref=dp_cp_ob_title_1/103-3082235-4990224) myself.  It is green paper with the grid printed on the reverse so it just shows through.  Of course, I'm an engineering student, and always have this stuff around, so I may be biased.  A light, ghosted grid is essential, though, since it lets you use an erasable pencil without (1) damaging the grid lines, and (2) confusing your lines with the grid.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Miles on February 09, 2007, 02:38 AM
Hi Mouser,

Parametrics are good for this kind of task.

Here is a free parametric program which is quite simple to use:

http://www.alibre.com/xpress/software/alibre-design-xpress.asp
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 23, 2007, 10:46 AM
Just a quick update picture of my wall-to-wall floor-to-ceiling bookcase installation so far:

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It still needs the adjustable shelves painted and put in, and then trim painted and put on as the "face" of the bookshelves (i.e. all the unpainted face edges you can see will have a nice thick front covering them and making the entire bookcase look like 1 single unit) and covering the gaps in sides and top+bottom.

total size is about 16 feet long by 9 feet tall. bottom section is 12" deep, top section is 8" deep.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 23, 2007, 12:43 PM
Just a quick update picture of my wall-to-wall floor-to-ceiling bookcase installation so far:
Good to see some progress. It's a shame you can't afford a better carpet, though...
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Post by: Ampa on March 23, 2007, 01:57 PM
Old topic I know... but I'd give a +1 for SketchUp.

I have used it to plan several simple desks / work units with great success. Had no trouble with 'exact' dimensions... far from it. To me it seems very intuitive - snapping lines and points very intelligently, and allowing dimensions to be typed in without the need to switch tools or click in a certain input box.
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Post by: f0dder on March 23, 2007, 06:38 PM
Hope it's solid enough to carry the weight of all them books :)
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Post by: Darwin on March 23, 2007, 07:34 PM
That's an impressive bookshelf! Will you be filling it with books only, or are other items going to be going into it as well (pictures in frames, stereo, tv, etc.)? Also, I can't tell from the picture: is it bolted to the wall somehow?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 23, 2007, 07:44 PM
I'm not sure anyone is interested really but let me post some details about the bookshelf and some lessons i learned (keeping in mind that i still have a few more steps to do).

First, regarding anchoring to the wall:
Yes they are anchored to the wall.  The wall is plaster and lathe, and we (my father came up and helped me build it - mother visited and helped paint) hoped to be able to drill into the wall to find the 2x4 studs to attach to, but it turns out that the walls are built with a thin metal infrastructure and so couldn't be attached to.  So instead, we put up 6 floor-to-celing 1x4s and attached them into the wall with expanding anchors.  This basically gave us some planks to attach the pieces to using metal L's that you can't see.

The whole thing is build out of 9 difference components (three 2x6 platforms, three lower pieces which are about 30" high and 5.5 feet long, and three upper pieces which are about 6 feet tall and 5.5 feet long).  The 2x6 platforms are to give it a nice raised toekick look -- but in retrospect using 2x6s unnesc. complicated things because those 2x6s are warped and made things less stable.

The lumber is knotty pine.  Most of my books told me to use hardwood faced plywood, which in retrospect might have been smarter only because a huge amount of time was spent in the lumberyard picking out the best of the worst wood.  One of the lessons I learned in building this is how warped wood is and how tricky that can be.  One serious reason to use plywood is to avoid this.  If i had it to do over again and was sure I would paint, i might use plywood.

The 5.5 foot lengths are too long a span for full loaded shelfs, so each shelf is going to need a mid support -- i haven't figured out the most aesthetically pleasing way to do this, except that im not going to use a full depth middle support, so i hope to keep the appearance of long spans.

It will be filled entirely with books except for half of the lower tall shelves will be used to store my aging record collection.

For anyone considering building such a thing, some lessons:
1) it's a two man job -- you really do need someone to help you clamp, square, etc.
2) tightbond wood glue is too liquidy for anything but completely flush joints (i grew to hate this glue).
3) pipe clamps are wonderful, and you can get a connector to make long 8ft clamps.
4) use a back (1/4 inch plywood is what we used) -- makes the entire thing much more stable and rigid.
5) use the squaring method trick where you measure from opposite corners and make sure lengths are equal (works great).
6) make a "jig" for your circular saw to ensure accurate cuts.

Painting:
The whole piece is painted with primer and 2 coats of semigloss white (actually its an off white), with sanding between coats.  Why not stain it?  I considered staining it but here is why i chose not to.  First, we used not great quality knotty wood (if we had tried to use high quality hard wood it would have cost us in the THOUSANDS of dollars in materials).  Second, i have no experience at all staining wood and i thought the chance of me messing it up and having it look amateurish was very high.  Third, the floor is a nice wood floor and i thought it might be overkill to have a giant wood bookcase also.  Fourth, the walls are white and my intention was to make a nice built-in look that merged into the wall.
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Post by: Darwin on March 24, 2007, 01:16 AM
Thanks for posting that mouser! I'm looking at tackling a similar project myself and your notes will come in very handy.
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Post by: mouser on March 24, 2007, 07:04 AM
Here's the book i recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Built-Ins-Shelves-Bookcases-Projects/dp/0696221152

Complete Built-Ins, Shelves & Bookcases (Stanley Complete Projects Made Easy) (Paperback)
by Stanley (Author)
Price:    $13.57 (40 used & new available from $8.65)
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 11, 2007, 04:41 PM
believe it or not, i'm *STILL* not done!!!
but i am damn close.  updated picture:

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corner closeups:
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you can see now the 1x2 trim over everything but removable shelves, which will also get the trim treatment soon.

im still planning on painting everything white, though i do like the dual-tone look so i'm tempted to paint them darker than the bookcase.  thoughts?
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Post by: Darwin on May 11, 2007, 05:09 PM
Love it - please come build some for me when you're done! Anyway, I love the look - I'd varithane the trim so that you'd have natural pine colour trim and the rest in a creamy white... Just my two-bits.
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Post by: CodeTRUCKER on May 19, 2007, 10:05 PM
I think you already know I am a natural wood proponent. :P

All kidding aside, the key to making the two-tone look work is make sure you get an exact match with the parquet or an equally exact contrast from the flooring.  This "contrast" would work very if the trim match, say the wood trim on your sofa (assuming you have that). 

The main point is that the key to contrast is exact matching or exact strongly defined differences.  Just being a shade or two off can be very disappointing.  Fortunately, natural wood is very forgiving. (shameless plug  :P)
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Post by: Carol Haynes on May 20, 2007, 05:07 AM
Looks beautiful - I am planning to build some new shelves (for the acres of DVDs and CDs). Do you fancy a trip to the UK ;)

My only thought looking at the near finished job is are the adjustable shelves too long for the weight they will carry? I have some shelves at the moment that are badly bowed and they are much shorter than yours. Trouble is once shelves bow they look hideous.

Question - how are the adjustables fitted (I can see the holes down the sides but how are you seating the shelves so that you can move them?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 20, 2007, 03:24 PM
carol, there is absolutely no doubt that the spans are *much* too big to support a row of books as they stand.  softwood cant support more than 3ft or so and this is almost 6ft.

the shelves now have a 1x2 trim piece in front (not shown) which adds a little stiffness, but not enough.

i have 3 basic options:
1) double up each shelf (this is an aesthetically reasonable possibility since the 1x2 trim in front is tall enough to make 2 shelves look like one; ill post a picture later).
2) add a middle support upright piece of wood between each shelf (like i did on the bottom).
3) add a middle support upright metal rod between each shelf.

not sure yet which i shall choose.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Darwin on May 20, 2007, 03:44 PM
Being into overkill in everything that I do (multiple file managers and file comparison/synchronizing apps on my system for example), I'd go for doubling the shelves AND adding the middle support. My gut is telling me two things: it's time for lunch and doubling the shelves won't be enough to stave off "shelf bow".

Just my two-bits...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Carol Haynes on May 20, 2007, 06:29 PM
You could have simple slot in pieces of wood (to match the trim) to act a bit like mobile bookends - then you could make a variety of sizes and just slot them in between books etc. as required.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 20, 2007, 06:32 PM
You could have simple slot in pieces of wood (to match the trim) to act a bit like mobile bookends - then you could make a variety of sizes and just slot them in between books etc. as required.

yep.
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Post by: Stephen47 on May 20, 2007, 07:32 PM
I am afraid those shelves will sag under the weight of books. I have been doing woodworking for 37 years now and my experience tells me that a span of greater than 30" will sag especially if you put books on them
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Post by: mouser on May 20, 2007, 07:58 PM
stephen -- welcome to the site, nice to have another woodworker here.  soon we will have enough to have some good furniture building discussions :)

see the above discussions to see that it was always known the spans were much too long to go without support/sagging.  it was always intended that i would put middle supports of some form.. just have to decide exactly what i want those supports to look like.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Carol Haynes on May 21, 2007, 03:27 AM
Mouser you didn't answer my question above:

Question - how are the adjustable shelves fitted (I can see the holes down the sides but how are you seating the shelves so that you can move them?

Just curious because I am trying to figure this one out for my own project.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: app103 on May 21, 2007, 04:02 AM
Down at the bottom of the page, in Step #3:  http://www.acehardware.com/sm-building-shelves--bg-1285343.html

If this is what you are doing with the adjustable shelves, according to that page, the type used in images 1 & 2 are only suitable for light loads. Books are not light.

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Post by: Carol Haynes on May 21, 2007, 06:46 AM
That's the problem -  a bit of dowling or a small bracket isn't going to take a lot of weight.

The other methods either require buying metal strip type kit (in which case it is probably going to be cheaper to buy self assembly units that come complete) or hours of tedious work routing super accurate slots or grooves.

None of this really appeals and is what has put me off for months getting started!

Thanks for the link though - that is a useful site.
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Post by: mouser on May 21, 2007, 09:10 AM
that's a great page that app found, i wish i had known about it earlier.
actually i am using metal shelf brackets:
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i'll see how they hold up under heavy loads and if necessary i am prepared to add side supports to help support.
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Post by: CodeTRUCKER on May 22, 2007, 11:07 PM
I am a very strong proponent of wood glue, but not just any kind.  As time goes on technology will probably replace the old favs, but when I have something that works I do not change it. 

In regard to the weight-vs-span conundrum, have you considered using dummy books aligned as supports?  These would be would supports painted as fake volumes of some classics that you might never put on your shelf.  Done right, the "book" supports would fit right in with the rest of your tomes.
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Post by: Darwin on May 22, 2007, 11:54 PM
Farmsteader - I think that you are as sharp as a tack and I like your idea!
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Post by: app103 on May 23, 2007, 12:32 AM
I like the idea too...but I think the 'books' need to be more personal.

my suggestions:


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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: lanux128 on May 23, 2007, 01:14 AM
Down at the bottom of the page, in Step #3:  http://www.acehardware.com/sm-building-shelves--bg-1285343.html
-app103 (May 21, 2007, 04:02 AM)

good find, app! :Thmbsup: in the same page..

• Wider cleats, as shown in this image, provide a great deal of structural strength. They also make it possible for the shelves to be moved in and out as necessary.
• If you are designing shelves to carry extremely heavy loads, use wide cleats and nail them firmly into position.
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just like mouser, i also had gone for metal brackets.. :( hopefully my bookshelf will stand the weight..
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Post by: mouser on May 23, 2007, 05:36 AM
Farmsteadter and my dad think alike!
They both think wood glue is the best thing since slices bread, and both came up with idea of using "dummy" books as supports.  Must be old school true woodwork lovers.
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Post by: Carol Haynes on May 23, 2007, 05:54 AM
Hmm ... now could I use DVD cases filled with cement for my DVD shelving project?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: app103 on May 23, 2007, 06:37 AM
Personally I don't like wood glue. It's too runny and it has a very weak bond.

I prefer something called Velverette, but as far as I know, they don't make it any more and I have not found a suitable replacement for it yet.

Good thing I still have a few jars of it.  :D

I discovered it when I was going to school for floral design. (it was marketed as a floral adhesive...alternative to hot glue)

I use it anywhere that crazy glue, 10 ton epoxy, or duct tape is unsuitable or won't work.

It's very thick (thicker than the typical tacky glue),very tacky, dries clear, and has a slow enough drying time to allow you to adjust things properly.

It comes in a jar. You have to dip a paint brush or wooden skewer in there to get it out. Cleaning up the excess is very easy with a damp paper towel.

I have used it to glue towel racks to ceramic tile in a location where humidity and moisture are a concern. (I may have to remove them some day, since I rent, and I can do this without damaging the tiles) The towel racks have held strong for about 10 years, so far.

I have used it to hold the wood & hinge together on a closet door after it split and the hinge & a piece of the wood fell off.

It holds screws into my walls.

It is holding my desk together in many places, including the little knobs that my keyboard tray rests on.

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Post by: Darwin on May 23, 2007, 09:02 AM
app - that's just a tease if it's not available anymore! I'm always looking for good, strong glue (with a three year old and a five year old I have a never ending supply of broken things requiring repair) and Velverette sounds like just the thing  :(

Hmm... found this data sheet (http://www.deltacrafts.com/msds/Pdf/MSDS-RSI/MSDS000032.pdf) from what I believe is the manufacturer (looks like it started out as Solomon's Velverette and was acquired by Delta) - dated late January 2005. Velverette is no longer listed among their products, though, so I've written to them asking for its status.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 23, 2007, 09:11 AM
this seems to be what many consider the best current glue:
http://www.gorillaglue.com/home.htm

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I can vouch that it is very strong.  It swells up as it dries -- which is important to know -- that means it's quite good at fixing loose joints, but it means that if you were using it to glue 2 objects flat against each other you better use clamps.
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Post by: mouser on May 23, 2007, 09:13 AM
Another lesson i have learned while painting this big bookcase:

I'd rather walk 30 miles in the snow to buy a 50 cent disposable painting sponge than use a $50 bristle paintbrush given to me by Linda Fiorentino.
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Post by: Grorgy on May 23, 2007, 09:16 AM
better buy some nair handcream to use after to by the look of that  ;D
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Post by: Darwin on May 23, 2007, 09:45 AM
Gorilla glue is very strong - my dad loves it. I've had mixed results with it, when trying to bond hardened plastic, but that's always a pain. It's awesome on things like wooden chairs. I'm trying to think what my dad and I fixed with it (both in the repair sense and in the bonded sense!) a couple of years ago that had us swooning over the stuff... whatever it was, I know it's still "fixed"!
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Post by: Darwin on May 23, 2007, 11:29 AM
I received a reply about Velverette. It was discontinued "about ten years ago". I've replied asking if Delta has something equivalent in its current product line.

UPDATE: noting equivalent in Delta's product line ("nothing as thick as the Velverette")... I wrote back saying that this is truly unfortunate, blah, blah, blah. Maybe if enough people do the same they'll re-release it! Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Darwin on May 23, 2007, 12:44 PM
better buy some nair handcream to use after to by the look of that  ;D
-Grorgy (May 23, 2007, 09:16 AM)

Yeah mouser - go as bare as you dare!  :P
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 23, 2007, 02:53 PM
Here are some finished pictures, with my apologies to everyone who thought i should leave some natural wood.  In the end I decided that I really did want a "built-in" look where the bookcase felt like just another one of the white walls:

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ps1.
with all the trouble i went to to install "crown molding" at the top, you can barely see it (neither in pictures or in real life)!

ps2.
those funny little things you see on left+right side at waist level are speaker wires, since i plan to add some speakers at either end (i only wish i had remembered to put a power outlet on each unit).

ps3.
the very bottom left+right corners are not "covered" -- there is ethernet, power, and cable wiring accessible there.

ps4.
final dimensions: 17' long by 9' high, 12" deep at bottom, 8" deep at top.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: f0dder on May 23, 2007, 02:57 PM
Looks good! :)
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Post by: seedling on May 23, 2007, 03:08 PM
mouser: the creator of all things virtual and real.  nice job on the construction there!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Darwin on May 23, 2007, 03:12 PM
Beautiful - I love the contrast with the parquet flooring. I can see the crown molding - looks nice. It's discreet, which is good.

While it's still empty, why not cut out some pass-throughs (I *think* that's the right term) for a couple of extension cords? That way you can get power to either end and still have it hidden. You can also use one of those "thingies" (that IS a technical term) that converts your two outlet wall socket into six so that you still have power in the middle of the shelf.

Just a thought...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: lanux128 on May 23, 2007, 08:16 PM
nice work, mouser.. :Thmbsup: i'm hoping to post pics of my bookshelf in a day or two.. :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Carol Haynes on May 24, 2007, 02:15 AM
Looking really nice now - can't wait to see it filled!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 02, 2007, 09:11 PM
Ok here it is filled with books:

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I had a lot of spare 1x2 that i used for trim, and so i ended up using it as the middle upright pieces.

The whole thing doesn't look quite as impressive filled with books as it does empty, but it looks nice in person.  For those who wanted me to go with a natural wood look, sorry to disappoint, but it does what it is supposed to do, which is blend in with wall and room, so i'm happy.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Grorgy on June 02, 2007, 09:34 PM
wow, mouser, that looks really good, a job well done  :Thmbsup:
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Post by: cranioscopical on June 02, 2007, 09:50 PM
Nice looking job!
Now, moving on, would you like my plans for a feather duster?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Darwin on June 02, 2007, 10:42 PM
I disagree, mouser - at least based on the pictures, I'd say it's MORE impressive filled with books! WELL DONE  :Thmbsup:!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: lanux128 on June 02, 2007, 11:52 PM
mouser, that looks fantastic! :Thmbsup: it was really worth all the time that it took you.. :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Carol Haynes on June 03, 2007, 08:20 AM
Congratulations - a job very well done.

The shelf supports look really neat too - goo idea.

My only concern is it will be completely full within a few months and you will have to start another one ;)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 03, 2007, 10:10 AM
truth be told, i used to buy books like mad but i've cut down to almost none in the last few years, just can't afford the habbit.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on June 09, 2007, 10:27 PM
Looks as if it's completed-project month.  We just finished a new studio for my wife, finally utilizing some previously empty space.
The workstations are mobile and, on the side opposite the drawers, each one has concealed shelves for books, fabric, and art supplies.
We started this in February, so it's a relief that it's finished.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 09, 2007, 10:48 PM
stunning  :-*
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Post by: Darwin on June 09, 2007, 11:20 PM
Chris - what a fantastic place from which to work. Beautiful :Thmbsup:!
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Post by: Carol Haynes on June 10, 2007, 04:14 AM
What a beautiful space! I wish I had some spare empty space like that!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: lanux128 on June 10, 2007, 05:31 AM
yeah, i have to convert my 9x9 storage room into a study but your work area is awesome, cranioscopical.. 8)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: f0dder on June 10, 2007, 06:40 PM
cranioscopical: I love it - nice, clean, spacious, light. The dark-brown desk and, what is it?, black leather couch? gives some good contrast too. Well done :up:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on June 10, 2007, 07:56 PM
Thanks, everyone, for your kind remarks. We're pleased with the result.
It's our good fortune to live in pleasant countryside, so the views from either end of the studio are quite appealing. I was tempted, briefly, to take the space for my own use but my artist wife's need for good light made this room the natural choice for her. The window end (east) is where most of the creativity will occur. The door end (west) has a couch and a rug so my wife can sit comfortably and sketch or plan future works, or simply think about her ideas.
As with most projects, there were a few unexpected things that required a bit of ingenuity to make right.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on October 20, 2007, 12:58 PM
My latest creation, 5 hours from idea to store to completion:

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Post by: TucknDar on October 20, 2007, 01:03 PM
I take it this is so you can write code on your laptop while... you know.
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Post by: cranioscopical on October 20, 2007, 01:27 PM
I've heard of going to the can, but this is ridiculous!
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Post by: TucknDar on October 20, 2007, 01:31 PM
I've heard of going to the can, but this is ridiculous!
-cranioscopical (October 20, 2007, 01:27 PM)
:D
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Post by: mouser on October 30, 2007, 02:22 AM
My latest creation, a spice rack:
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Essential Spices? Found List 1 (http://www.nathankramer.com/spice/right.htm) and Found List 2 (http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blherb2.htm).
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Carol Haynes on October 30, 2007, 05:32 AM
An we all thought you were off programming for filthy lucre - now we know the truth ... you've hung up you keyboard for a hammer and chisel !
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on October 30, 2007, 01:09 PM
An we all thought you were off programming for filthy lucre - now we know the truth ... you've hung up you keyboard for a hammer and chisel !
-Carol Haynes (October 30, 2007, 05:32 AM)

It's only a small rack, Carol. It can't have taken much thyme.

Nice job, Mouser!

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on October 30, 2007, 01:31 PM
It's only a small rack, Carol. It can't have taken much thyme.

 ;D well done.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 03, 2008, 05:15 AM
Any time an individual attempts to make something better, I say Hurrah!  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on January 03, 2008, 05:18 AM
So that is the bookcase, ironing board (alias:privy table) and a spice rack.  Anything else?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 27, 2008, 09:36 PM
I mean to post this a while ago, my recent project to add an upper layer of cabinets in my kitchen, for some storage space and space for cookbooks:

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ps. making (panel) doors is not as easy as the rest of the skills i've learned.. hard to make them straight.
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Post by: Darwin on May 27, 2008, 10:05 PM
Looks great, mouser. A very nicely organized kitchen  :Thmbsup:

Looks like someone is a Home Depot fan!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on May 27, 2008, 10:52 PM
making (panel) doors is not as easy as the rest of the skills i've learned
-mouser (May 27, 2008, 09:36 PM)

When it comes to routers it's all too easy to confuse cordless with wireless :)

Nice job there! Where do you store the pogo stick?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on May 27, 2008, 10:56 PM
Where do you store the pogo stick?
yeah it does require a chair or ladder to get into those cabinets, but they are mainly for storage so it's ok.

yeah i used a router and dowels this time.  the router caused about a 4 inch high layer of wood shavings on the floor.  the dowels are hard to get straight with a non-table-mounted drill, even with a dowel jig, that was the most troublesome part.

by the way my cordless set includes a cordless circular saw -- works great, highly recommended.  less cumbersome than corded one and works fine on regular 2x lumber and plywood.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on August 04, 2009, 07:29 AM
I've been planning a new project, a real doozy.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on August 10, 2009, 03:18 PM
I started out this thread over a year ago asking if anyone had any recommendations for software that would help in planning woodworking projects, etc.

More than a year later I actually went looking for home design software -- not quite the same but close enough.

After testing quite a few (TurboFloor, Punch, SweetHome 3d) I settled on one that I liked best, called Home Designer (http://www.homedesignersoftware.com/).  There are actually a series of different editions, and a guide for picking which edition you need here (http://www.homedesignersoftware.com/products/product-chooser.html).  I would recommend the "Suite" version which is $99.

Based on the capabilities of the program I'd say $99 was a bargain -- it's a *VERY* impressive tool.

My original aim was just to model my kitchen so I could experiment with tearing down a wall, but I eneded up creating a complete model of my condo apartment which is startling accurate.  Note this is a serious tool and it will take you a while to get the hang of it, but it's really cool and fun stuff.

Some images:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: CodeTRUCKER on December 08, 2009, 12:48 AM
Hey Mouser,
Do you really have the archways in on the hall?  Just so happens, I have been looking for the same thing, but the $99 is a little tough to come by.  Oh well, that's what wish lists are for, right? 
Nice pad!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 05, 2010, 05:58 PM
Time to revive this thread and show how useful this kind of software is.

I'm thinking of doing some DIY kitchen remodeling on my place, and i've created some mockups that i need some feedback on.  Let me know which layout you think would be best.

Here is my *current* kitchen, as it is now:
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Now my main aim is to open it up into the dining/sitting room to give it that more open feel and make it more enjoyable to talk with those who hang out in the dining room (which i use almost like a mini-living-room).

Now I should say that i'm quite happy with the functionality of my current kitchen, i feel i have enough counter space, and the wire bakers racks you see in the picture are filled with pots and pans and containers, etc.

Ok, so here was my first attempt to take down that wall and make a "half-wall"/mini-island between the two rooms.  I thought a little mini island/shelf would be fun, and who wants to see the side of the stove, and also there is a big 6" gap between the two rooms that i would have to cover with a very wide threshold if i don't have a half-wall there:

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One problem with this design is that in order to make that 1ft thick half-wall stable, i am going to have to do some pretty fancy and a bit risky anchoring into the cement floor in order to try to keep it stable, and i do have worries about how well i will be able to do that.  Once nice thing is that when you are at the stove you can talk to those in the dining room easily since you are right there.

OK, so then i started playing with other possible layouts, including moving the oven over and building an entire row of new cabinets.

This one keeps the half wall island idea but solves the stability thing because its attached to other cabinet:
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This one does away with the half wall completely, and relies on wide 6" threshold to cover up floor boundary (one problem with this is that i can't reuse existing trim since i will need too much to recreate the entire entryway that is now bigger; in other designs i can move around the removed trim):
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And lastly, here is a hybrid where the half-wall is gone, but the cabinet sticks out a bit, which would let me reuse trim, and because this has the same exact wall treatment for the edge of the wall as the island design, i can very easily add a half-wall island later if i want, without having to mess with wall:
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Downsides to the designs which move the stove and use a full row of new cabinets include:  there are some cabinets that would be 17" above the stove and protrude over the stove half way (fire risk?); the presence of the new base cabinets would make it slightly inconvenient to reach the wall cabinets above them, and really hard to reach the archival storage cabinets at the ceiling (which already require a ladder and the turning off of the ceiling fan).

So what do you think? Which would you recommend?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: nosh on April 06, 2010, 01:48 AM
I love the first layout. The half wall not only looks good but could also be practical for serving, etc. You could try anchoring the wall to brackets fitted inside the door frame for added stability.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 08:26 AM
My feeling is that the half-wall/cabinet provides important screening of kitchen activities while still keeping you in the loop with guests.

Also, because your kitchen is so high, the views with completely open access to the kitchen make the kitchen itself look narrow and unwelcoming. In contrast, the half-wall protruding into the opening serves as a visual barrier to slow down the path that the eye follows through the space, thus making the  space look bigger. The half-wall also causes the eye to linger at a lower level, rather than hitting the end wall and moving up a narrow  space.

This one keeps the half wall island idea but solves the stability thing because its attached to other cabinet:
Presumably you'd make the top of the half-wall cabinet and the adjacent cabinet as one piece. That and a decent floor anchor would provide all the stability you need (well, for the furnishings, at least  ;)).

Have you considered an over-the-stove microwave instead of overhanging cupboards?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 08:31 AM
Have you considered an over-the-stove microwave instead of overhanging cupboards?

Indeed i have, since it's clear now that the cabinets above the new stove location just would be against code because of fire risk.
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A problem is that those cabinets are only 12" deep, so a microwave is going to just out several inches (at least 3!), which would seem to me pretty ugly, especially if you're going to see the side of it when looking in. :(

I also really like those two big cabinets that are there..


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Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 09:01 AM
And here with the cabinet above removed except for small open shelf -- i could use that as a mini pot rack and hang some frying pans or something from it.. i just don't love the idea of losing that cabinet and the loss of symmetry on that wall..

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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 09:22 AM
I also really like those two big cabinets that are there..
With the first layout, I really don't think you'd have much trouble contriving a stable base for the 'half-wall' cabinet.
Assuming you don't wish to use the 'bungee cord around the stove' technique, a sturdy top fixing into the wall at the left (looking in) combined with a decent base anchored to the floor should make that pretty well immovable.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 09:28 AM
a sturdy top fixing into the wall at the left (looking in) combined with a decent base anchored to the floor


just remember this is a 1929 plaster and metal lathe building with steel girders.. i have no idea what im going to find in that left wall to anchor to, and the floor area under the half-wall is concrete with half hardwood and half kitchen tile on top of it.. it is not going to be simple to anchor down into that concrete without doing some surgery on the adjacent kitchen tiles and hardwood, etc.  stuff that will be nervewracking and permanent.  a huge advantage of building a bigger island area on the left is being able to skip all that.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 09:41 AM
a 1929 plaster and metal lathe building with steel girders
I don't see the problem — a good oxy-acetylene torch, a couple of sledge-hammers… you'll be able to look down on your neighbors in no time!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 09:49 AM
 ;D

the other thing that's worth saying, in terms of how awkward it is to have to remove that upper cabinet above the new stove location.. is that the area above the stove's "old" location is going to be completely empty with no cabinets, and needs to remain that way for visual flow.. so it's a huge waste not to have the oven in it's original location..
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 02:33 PM
the area above the stove's "old" location is going to be completely empty with no cabinets, and needs to remain that way for visual flow.. so it's a huge waste not to have the oven in it's original location..
-mouser (April 06, 2010, 09:49 AM)
There are good arguments and counter-arguments( ;)) for either alternative. Given the right drill bits I still don't see that it would be a big problem to anchor to the floor.  The correct base would probably let you get away without fixing to the wall, though it shouldn't be hard to find out what's where behind the wall.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 05:22 PM
people are going to inevitably end up leaning on it as they lean into the kitchen. anything less than it feeling rock solid stable is going to be noticeable and disconcerting, and get worse over time.

it's a cement floor underneath, with tile on one side and hardwood on the other.  i will have to use masonry nails or screws to hammer through the base of the cabinet into the floor.  if i try to put the base on top of the tile and secure tightly, i am getting i will crack the kitchen tiles its halfway on.  then i will have to screw/nail THROUGH the hardwood tiles (or remove them).. and trying to get an ultra stable attachment with the differences in heights between tile and hardwood might not work, and shims might not work for something that has to be secured so tightly to floor. i could try to remove the hardwood and tile under it but i don't know how well that would go and what kind of permanent commitment that is.

i mean this was the original plan, i'm just getting really cold feet about the things that can go wrong, and the fact that it will be almost impossible to turn back once i embark on trying to permanently attach that half wall to the floor..


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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 06:22 PM
I guess it depends what's under the cement under the tiles. If it were me, and I wanted to leave the existing floor as intact as possible, I'd make a solid base whose external dimensions were the same as the internal dimensions of your cabinet. I'd secure that to the floor with sufficient, suitable screws, first having shimmed it level. That would give you a robust start. I might even mount some L-brackets on that base in order to give added rigidity to the back of the cabinet. I'd then drop the cabinet over the base and secure it, probably with horizontal screws. Now your cabinet is attached to a virtually immovable platform, and possibly even reinforced with L-brackets. You'd cover the horizontal screws with the kick-plate trim on the base of the cabinet. It's not that big a job to drill clearance holes through the tile and/or hardwood and then insert suitable screw anchors into the cement (if that's sufficiently thick/durable). An additional benefit is that using a solid base should spread the force of the screws and prevent tiles from cracking. Your local hardware store will advise you about the right fixings.

That said, you just can't beat a one-piece top (as in your latest image Cabinets removed (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7356.0;attach=48133;image)) as a way to give the cabinet maximum rigidity.

Looks as if you'll have to give up something and moving the stove puts it into a much better position.  So, losing the cabinet puts the stove in a better place and removes your anxieties about stability and inadvertent demolition ;D

Of course, you could leave things as they are. Just because you've had an idea, that doesn't make it the best course to adopt, upon mature reflection.

Or, have you considered moving? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 06:35 PM
thanks for all of the thoughts chris :)

the point about having a very secure base would be my plan, similar to yours.. however i think it may not be as straightforward to secure the base to the floor as you say.. using shims is of course the normal thing, but for a base that has to be rock solid attached to the floor, i just dont know how problematic that would -- i have plastic shim material that wont change size much but still.. and having the base on top of the tile and then trying to really put that base in tight.. i think the chance of cracking those tiles that the base is half-way on is high (and they are big 12"x12" tiles).  i could however cheat a little and make the island BASE a little narrower and avoid resting it on any tiles.

it definitely IS possible to do, and has been my plan until i started thinking about how much nicer it would be if i didn't have to muck with anchoring to the floor.

now i'm unsure.

and yes, i'm very much considering whether this is worth it.. modeling it almost satisfies me enough to not have to do it in real life.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 06:36 PM
losing the cabinet puts the stove in a better place

i'm not sure -- it's better in that it's recessed and closer to sink.. its worse in that the whole point of this change is to open up the two rooms and now it would be harder to talk with dining room people from the new stove position compared to old.  at least a little.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 06:47 PM
its worse in that the whole point of this change is to open up the two rooms and now it would be harder to talk with dining room people from the new stove position compared to old.
-mouser (April 06, 2010, 06:36 PM)
Yebbut, you have to consider your guests! They might prefer you to shut the heck up and get on with the cooking!  ;)

Mainly, though, moving the stove is the only way I can see that obviates your anxieties about both stability and construction, by providing a top surface that is also an anchor.  Unless... you take another tack and make the cabinet both free-standing and mobile.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 06, 2010, 06:53 PM
If i had an extra $3,000 i could use a separate cooktop and wall oven like so:
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in many ways that seems to be the best of all worlds, albeit the most expensive one by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2010, 10:01 PM
If i had an extra $3,000 i could use a separate cooktop and wall oven like so: (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=7356.msg200951#msg200951))
in many ways that seems to be the best of all worlds, albeit the most expensive one by a wide margin.
-mouser (April 06, 2010, 06:53 PM)
In my ever so humble opinion, one of the best investments you can make is in improving the quality of life. If you plan on staying where you are for a while it might be well worth the extra cost. Solves your wall cupboard issue, the 'island' stability issue, and warms those chilly feet of yours.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Darwin on April 06, 2010, 10:18 PM
Would you be haning a range hood/extractor fan over the cooktop? Just wondering...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 07, 2010, 02:02 AM
darwin, regarding vent -- i have no hood now, and there is no outside vent for it.. if i do end up moving the oven i may get a recirculating (ductless) vent.. though i have no idea if those actually "do" anything useful.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Darwin on April 07, 2010, 06:30 AM
Heh, heh - we have a recirculating hood and it's not much use at all... (though, to be fair, it IS better than no hood at all.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on April 07, 2010, 06:29 PM
i have no hood now, and there is no outside vent for it..
-mouser
Aha! Another opportunity to live dangerously!
You'll need a cold chisel, club hammer and a few other odds and ends.
Don't worry too much about breaking through into the neighboring apartment…
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on April 07, 2010, 08:09 PM
darwin, regarding vent -- i have no hood now, and there is no outside vent for it.. if i do end up moving the oven i may get a recirculating (ductless) vent.. though i have no idea if those actually "do" anything useful.
-mouser (April 07, 2010, 02:02 AM)

They make a lot of noise, which I suppose is intended to give the impression that they are actually doing something, though that doesn't stand up too well when your kitchens full of steam (or smoke :-[)

and despite the amount of noise they make, it still isn't enough to drown out the damn smoke detectors... 
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Post by: mouser on October 04, 2010, 10:03 AM
latest mini bookcase projects:
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note that there is no good reason for me to be building these things.. i need to stop trying to fill up space.
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Post by: mouser on October 16, 2010, 08:55 AM
I spent yesterday building and adding these upper doors to a hallway built-in:
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Post by: Darwin on October 16, 2010, 09:16 AM
Wow! Mouser - you're inspiring! My entire house needs to be done - paint, mouldings, flooring - it's been over four years and I haven't done a thing. Looking at your beautiful cabinetry and shelving makes me want to get on with it  :Thmbsup:

Anyway, that was a round-about way of saying AWESOME!
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Post by: mouser on October 16, 2010, 09:20 AM
it is surprising how much pleasure one gets out of walking past something that you've built :)
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Post by: cranioscopical on October 16, 2010, 10:38 AM
it is surprising how much pleasure one gets out of walking past something that you've built :)
-mouser (October 16, 2010, 09:20 AM)
Instead of having to stop and work more on it.  ;)

I hope you do realize that, soon, either you'll have to move or you'll have to begin building smaller cupboards inside the larger ones.
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Post by: f0dder on October 22, 2010, 01:50 PM
Mouser, when will you build your first house? :P
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Post by: mouser on October 22, 2010, 05:19 PM
good question.. surely now that i've learned how to make bookcases i know all i need to know in order to build a complete house, right?
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Post by: f0dder on October 22, 2010, 05:37 PM
exactly! :P
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Post by: cranioscopical on October 22, 2010, 05:53 PM
good question.. surely now that i've learned how to make bookcases i know all i need to know in order to build a complete house, right?
-mouser (October 22, 2010, 05:19 PM)
Tip: with a house, it feels better to have a roof over your bed.
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Post by: mouser on December 21, 2011, 08:50 PM
Another little cabinet at the back entrance (the one on the left is the new one):
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Post by: Josh on December 21, 2011, 08:58 PM
Are you getting your contractors license anytime soon :)
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Post by: mahesh2k on December 21, 2011, 09:07 PM
Mouser, open the cabinet and give me teh cookies

or else....

this guy is coming to ruin your Christmas ....

(http://www.glamquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Lady_Gaga.png)

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Post by: mouser on September 19, 2014, 06:59 PM
That reminds me.. next project for this year is to build a custom king sized bed.
Anyone done that before? Any suggestions?
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Post by: Deozaan on September 19, 2014, 07:39 PM
You're going to build the entire bed? Including the mattress? Or just the frame?
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Post by: mouser on September 19, 2014, 11:57 PM
just frame not building my mattress.
who builds a mattress.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 20, 2014, 12:04 AM
Why would you use Software?
Why not blueprint it, or use general woodworking plans to do it?
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Post by: Deozaan on September 20, 2014, 12:11 AM
Why would you use Software?  Why not blueprint it, or use general woodworking plans to do it?
-Stephen66515 (September 20, 2014, 12:04 AM)

People use software to make blueprints (drafting) these days. It's called AutoCAD. :P

just frame not building my mattress.
who builds a mattress.
-mouser (September 19, 2014, 11:57 PM)

I've heard of people making their own mattress before. Just curious how DIY you were going with this project. (c:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 20, 2014, 01:19 AM
Why would you use Software?  Why not blueprint it, or use general woodworking plans to do it?

um.. this is DonationCoder.com.. that's not the question we ask here, as you very well know.
the question we ask here is, given ANY activity, how can i maximize my use of software to assist with this activity.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 20, 2014, 02:13 AM
Why would you use Software?  Why not blueprint it, or use general woodworking plans to do it?

um.. this is DonationCoder.com.. that's not the question we ask here, as you very well know.
the question we ask here is, given ANY activity, how can i maximize my use of software to assist with this activity.
-mouser (September 20, 2014, 01:19 AM)

Haha, of all the perfect answers, this one is the most perfect  ;D
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Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 21, 2014, 04:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DQc0dub.gif)

One for you to try with the bed mouser.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 26, 2014, 12:25 AM
Ok i've got my basic structural plan worked out:
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I used SketchUp (http://www.sketchup.com/), which can be pretty darn painful to use.. I wish there was something better.  The dimensions are only rough estimates since they are difficult to tweak, but the basic idea comes through.

Main issue I was trying to solve with my plan was to provide rock solid stability and support for a large king size bed (76" x 80") and have the sides look reasonably nice (in my bedroom you can really only see one side of the bed).

Notes: Headboard and footboard will not look like exactly like that, I plan to use reclaimed wood for the inset part; slats will cover entire surface; dimensions are off a little because i couldn't get them perfect.


Inspiration came from the farmhouse bed plans on the Anna White site (http://ana-white.com/category/plans/collections/farmhouse-beds).


My main concern with the plan is the use of the 4x4s..  I am concerned that they are going to turn out ugly when stained and finished.
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Post by: ewemoa on September 29, 2014, 09:07 PM
If you want to maximize the use of software, perhaps consideration towards 3D-printing various portions will get you closer to that ideal ;)
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Post by: bob99 on September 29, 2014, 09:46 PM
Ok i've got my basic structural plan worked out: (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=7356.msg365088#msg365088)) (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=7356.msg365088#msg365088))
I used SketchUp (http://www.sketchup.com/), which can be pretty darn painful to use.. I wish there was something better.  The dimensions are only rough estimates since they are difficult to tweak, but the basic idea comes through.

Main issue I was trying to solve with my plan was to provide rock solid stability and support for a large king size bed (76" x 80") and have the sides look reasonably nice (in my bedroom you can really only see one side of the bed).

Notes: Headboard and footboard will not look like exactly like that, I plan to use reclaimed wood for the inset part; slats will cover entire surface; dimensions are off a little because i couldn't get them perfect.


Inspiration came from the farmhouse bed plans on the Anna White site (http://ana-white.com/category/plans/collections/farmhouse-beds).


My main concern with the plan is the use of the 4x4s..  I am concerned that they are going to turn out ugly when stained and finished.
-mouser (September 26, 2014, 12:25 AM)

Consider using glued up 1x boards.
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Post by: bob99 on September 30, 2014, 10:07 AM
^

Or glued up 2x4's like this. It's not sanded and finished yet.
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Here's a picture I found of a bed using recycled wood.
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Found this site in the UK with some pictures of beds using reclaimed wood.
http://www.eatsleeplive.co.uk/products/bedroom-furniture/beds/ (http://www.eatsleeplive.co.uk/products/bedroom-furniture/beds/)
Click on each of the bed types and you can see more close-up details. These have more of a distressed look.

May give you some more ideas.


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Post by: mouser on September 30, 2014, 10:28 AM
Yes, I'm looking at altering the plans to use glued up 1x lumber.  It takes away a little from the chunky feel of 4x4 but it would also let me use nice hardwood 1x3 and 1x4 lumber..
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Post by: superboyac on September 30, 2014, 11:57 AM
good choice, sketchup is the best for this sort of thing.
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Post by: jpfx on October 03, 2014, 03:25 PM
(mouser), I was looking at that homedesignersoftware suite because I'm thinking about remodeling the kitchen (small). but I read somewhere that counter tops couldn't be 'designed' with the suite version. not that it needs to emulate a granite counter top but a kitchen model with that bit missing isn't much good.
kitchen is squarish but 3 doors take up a lot of wall estate. I would like to 'open up' one wall (a bit more dramatically than you did) and get an idea of what it might look like. (worried about reinforcing what studs remain on that wall to' take the weight).
sketchup looks far too 'bitsy' (model every bit) and HDS suite maybe can't handle it.
any other software suggestions?
thanks
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Post by: mouser on October 03, 2014, 03:38 PM
As for visualizing a room or multiple rooms, i would *highly* recommend HomeDesigner; i didn't see anything about counter tops not being in suite version -- that would surprise me.  i suggest you look into that.

Using SketchUp was painful, but was the best tool i could find for sketching a single item with unique details (like a bed).
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Post by: mouser on June 12, 2015, 07:57 AM
I ended up buying a bed on craigslist that was much nicer than i could have built for a fraction of the cost.  That's the rule I realize now when it comes to furniture, you have to be insane to try to make it yourself and think you're going to get something half as good for 10x the price of buying a nice used piece.

So having absorbed that lesson, a few weeks ago i set out to build an 8ft media center cabinet for my living room, in an attempt to learn how to properly stain and finish a big item  (it's 8ft long, 33 inches tall, 16 inches deep) and how to make drawers.  Please do not ask me why i didn't start on something smaller.

Half way done photo:
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Still to do:

I already regret taking on the project, but nothing left to do now but push forward bitching and moaning the whole way..  I'll post more photos when it's done.
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Post by: KynloStephen66515 on June 12, 2015, 08:25 AM
nothing left to do now but push forward bitching and moaning the whole way..
-mouser (June 12, 2015, 07:57 AM)

*sighs* If I had a pound/dollar for every time my mrs said this to me... ;D
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Post by: superboyac on June 12, 2015, 09:07 AM
lol...i like how you regret it in the beginning of the project, but you're going to do it anyway.
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Post by: ayryq on June 12, 2015, 01:30 PM
In the approximate scope of the original topic, I wanted to suggest "Cutlist (http://www.delphiforfun.org/programs/cutlist.htm)"

There are similar, expensive programs, but this one is free and does the job pretty well. Basically you enter a list of parts, and a list of supplies, and it figures out the optimal way to cut your lumber. I've mainly used it for plywood, but it works with (and includes example files) for normal lumber as well. Many options to help it decide on what is the optimum use of wood. Looking back at it today, I found it also has an option "cross cuts first" which could be handy for me in the future as I have a fairly small jointer.
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Post by: mouser on June 12, 2015, 02:06 PM
that could be verrrry useful, thanks aryq  :up:
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Post by: cranioscopical on June 12, 2015, 04:05 PM
nothing left to do now but push forward bitching and moaning the whole way
-mouser (June 12, 2015, 07:57 AM)
FWIW I find cursing to be more satisfying.
 
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Post by: mouser on June 12, 2015, 06:09 PM
Today's progress: face frame cut (but not glued up), and drawer slides attached (very precisely):
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Post by: ayryq on June 13, 2015, 08:18 AM
drawer slides attached (very precisely)
-mouser (June 12, 2015, 06:09 PM)

I think this might be the hardest part of most projects (for me). Not the most annoying - that goes to all the steps between "built" and "finished" - but there's so many ways to go wrong fitting drawers, lining up the slides, getting them at the right height and projection, and if there's more than one, lining them up with each other. And I can never seem to remember how I did it last time...

Looks good; can't wait to see it finished and installed.
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Post by: mouser on June 13, 2015, 08:49 AM
I figure "in for a penny, in for a pound" -- so i'm going to try to fit flush inset drawers, which are hard to get right (as compared to overlay/overlap drawers where you have lots of margin of error because the fronts hide the gaps.  However, I am going to use this "false front" technique which should meant that the actual drawers themselves have plenty of margin for error, and then i just have to precisely cut and mount the drawer fronts -- which is still a bit tough since i don't have a table saw.  Looking back i can see this would have been the right project to invest in one of those little portable worksite tablesaws -- would have made cutting the long 18" wide plywood pieces a lot easier (instead i build a little jig/track).
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Post by: ayryq on June 13, 2015, 09:01 AM
You still have to get the projection perfect - although the slotted screw holes in drawer slides will help.

I bought a Bosch jobsite saw when I was making some built-ins in our last house (picture (http://lofgrengallery.com/woodworking/e25d82674)), and I think I've used it on every project small or large since. It's got a nifty folding stand so I can push it out of the way of the cars in the winter, and while I'd dearly love a bigger/better table saw, it's basically big enough for everything I do, and a bigger one wouldn't be as easy to store. Now they've got the same saw with a Sawstop-type brake (for more $$$).
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Post by: mouser on June 13, 2015, 09:03 AM
That's beautiful work -- i LOVE built-ins. Yeah i really should have bought one of those portable table saws, and i missed my perfect excuse :(..

Well I suppose i'll find out soon enough about the drawers :)
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Post by: mouser on June 15, 2015, 05:25 PM
photos of drawers:

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What you are seeing in the first photo is the actual drawers, built from 1/2 cheapo plywood.

The second photo shows the false front approach, with the tight-fitting nicer veneered fronts (still plywood, though one could use real wood) just set in front of the drawer area -- not yet precisely positioned and attached.

Unfortunately i ran out of the nicer veneered plywood sheets so the bottom two drawer false fronts have a bit more pattern than i would like -- i havent decided yet whether to go buy some more plywood, or assemble it as is.
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Post by: mouser on June 15, 2015, 06:06 PM
Also, one unfortunate thing you can't see is that i seem to have miss aligned the top face frame rail above the drawers, and it tilts upward to the right about an 1/8th of an inch.
It's not noticable without the drawers but when the drawer fronts are in, it's noticable because the gap between top drawer left and right hand sides are different.  That's why in the photo above i'm actually using tape to raise the right hand side of the top drawer by about that much..
There are a few options for fixing it:

Thoughts?
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Post by: Target on June 15, 2015, 06:34 PM
make a new face for the top drawer?
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Post by: mouser on June 15, 2015, 06:37 PM
Yes, sorry that's a good point, another option 4 would be to cut a new face that is rises slightly taller to the right -- that would be completely compatible with the whole idea of the false fronts helping disguise "errors", and given that i am thinking about replacing those two "mottled" front faces and might be cutting replacements anyway, that might be the best solution.  I suppose the only "drawback" to that solution is the possibility that one might notice the non-squareness of the front -- whereas solving the problem by tweaking the right hand gaps over the course of 3 drawers might be less noticeable, and solving the problem by sanding the top rail would make everything fundamentally level...
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Post by: mouser on June 15, 2015, 06:40 PM
ps. for those wondering -- that top center shelf is for a center speaker -- ive already built a nice custom speaker grill cover for that area.
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Post by: ayryq on June 15, 2015, 08:31 PM
Hard to say without seeing it. However, if I wanted to straighten the top rail I would be thinking of using a straight edge and a bearing guided router.
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Post by: mouser on June 15, 2015, 08:36 PM
that's an interesting idea regarding router.. i do have a small one and could conceivably clamp a piece of wood in place at the proper angle to act as a guide and use a straight bit.. though it wouldn't take much to mess it up..
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Post by: Target on June 15, 2015, 09:03 PM
I still think making a new face for the drawer is the easiest and least risky option.  Once you start taking material away you can't put it back again if it's still not right (and then you've got 2 problems ;D)
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Post by: mouser on June 15, 2015, 09:13 PM
I'm inclined to agree.
I may try tweaking the gaps first (since the drawer rails have an adjustment for this) to see how much i can fix invisibly, and then cutting new face frame to cover up any remaining gap that i don't feel comfortable fixing with rail adjustments.
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Post by: Target on June 15, 2015, 09:30 PM
watch out if you're going to tweak the slides, if you introduce a height difference across the drawer they may be inclined to jam (depends on how much clearance you have on each side of course).

claim it as a character piece, and see how many people actually notice (I'm guessing not many).  If someone does it becomes a conversation piece (everyone wins!!!)
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Post by: ayryq on June 16, 2015, 09:20 AM
OK, had a chance to look at your pictures now - That's a wide opening; 1/8" isn't very much across that distance. If it were mine I'd try remaking the drawer front with the angle at the top--since you wanted to redo the drawer fronts anyhow. You could try it with a scrap first and see if someone else can tell.

Other ideas:

The most important, and hardest, part is not pointing out the flaws to people who see what you've made. It's almost impossible to resist, but no one notices if you don't.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 17, 2015, 12:16 PM
On another matter.. anyone here ever tried wood "dyes" as opposed to normal stains? holy cow i am a convert!
I've been testing tons of gel and standard stains trying to get the right look on this birch+maple, and the blotching was noticable.  Tried a wood dye and wow! the clarity and evenness is remarkable.  :up:

[EDIT] I've since tried a number of different dye stain colors and they don't ALL look as great as the first one i tried in terms of anti-blotching -- though they all do look great and i love the easy ability to mix your own custom colors.
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Post by: ayryq on June 17, 2015, 12:26 PM
On another matter.. anyone here ever tried wood "dyes" as opposed to normal stains? holy cow i am a convert!
I've been testing tons of gel and standard stains trying to get the right look on this birch+maple, and the blotching was noticable.  Tried a wood dye and wow! the clarity and evenness is remarkable.  :up:
-mouser (June 17, 2015, 12:16 PM)

Where did you get them; what brand?
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Post by: mouser on June 17, 2015, 01:07 PM
"dye" stains cannot be found in normal hardware stores -- which have tons of gel and standard stains -- you have to mail order them or find them in a special woodworking store, which i stumbled accross locally.  I heard experts recommend them for blotchy wood like maple and birtch but i was unconvinced until i actually tried one myself, and i'll be damned if the dye didn't completely eliminate the blotching problem and look remarkably better.

There are videos on youtube, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Ysfw0LmMw
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Post by: mouser on June 19, 2015, 12:12 PM
the only thing left for me to decide is if i'm going to try to brush on a finish or buy a sprayer..
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Post by: ayryq on June 19, 2015, 12:16 PM
I'd go for an old T-shirt myself. But maybe that "dye" you use is pickier.
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Post by: Deozaan on June 19, 2015, 04:10 PM
More photos, please!
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Post by: mouser on June 19, 2015, 04:18 PM
after reading everything on the internet about finishing and testing every kind of finish, im now oscilating between spraying lacquer and trying a wipe-on poly.  testing some wipe-on poly now..
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Post by: ayryq on June 19, 2015, 04:43 PM
The thing that always has scared me off getting into a spraying system is the "cost" in time and energy of keeping the whole setup clean. Shoot, I usually wind up throwing away brushes after they sit in paint thinner for a few months. Thus I usually either use rags or disposable foam brushes.

There's a guy in my church who built his own kitchen cabinets and finished them all with rattle-cans of spray lacquer. They look great.
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Post by: mouser on June 19, 2015, 05:33 PM
There's a guy in my church who built his own kitchen cabinets and finished them all with rattle-cans of spray lacquer. They look great.
i bought some spray cans of lacquer but read that they are not good on very large pieces because the "seams" can be seen when the piece is that large.
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Post by: mouser on June 24, 2015, 06:40 PM
Latest cabinet photos:
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Note 1: The cabinet has not yet been "finished" -- i just wanted to see what it would look like -- i have to remove everything and put many coats of polyeurethane on to give it some sheen and protect the wood.

Note 2: It's significantly darker than I planned/wanted -- I tested dozens of stain formulas but in the end i got carried away.  I think lighter would have been more interesting but perhaps this will turn out to be ok.

Note 3: You'll notice on the top view two black lines -- that was a last minute improvisation to fix what were white-unstained lines caused by wood putty between the face frame and carcass, and white glue connecting to strips of veneer on the plywood.

Note 4: If you look at photo 2 you can see gray dots where nail holes are -- I made a big mistake by filling nail holes and gaps with "stainable" (hah!) wood putty before staining.  Bad mistake.  I've since learned the proper way to do it is to sink the nails, then stain, THEN fill with colored crayon, etc.  I did what i have done when painting when the putty can be sanded down and covered -- not appropriate for staining.
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Post by: Target on June 24, 2015, 07:09 PM
nice job, but now I want to look through your record collection :-[
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Post by: tomos on June 25, 2015, 03:33 AM
Looks great mouser :up:

Note 1: The cabinet has not yet been "finished" -- i just wanted to see what it would look like -- i have to remove everything and put many coats of polyeurethane on to give it some sheen and protect the wood.
-mouser (June 24, 2015, 06:40 PM)

Pity it needs the polyeurethane - I love the matt finish.
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Post by: Deozaan on June 25, 2015, 05:21 PM
Thanks for sharing the photos, mouser. I really like it. Makes me want to build something. :o
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Post by: mouser on June 27, 2015, 02:38 PM
Finishing has begun.. I'm using standard brush-on polyeurethane on the insides, and a thin wipe-on poly (General Finishes Arm-R-Seal) for the top and face frame.  I decided to go with the wipe-on poly for the top and face frame because i wasn't confident in my abilities to brush on a smooth coat. Given how slowly it's going on and how expensive it is, i'm having second thoughts, but i'm committed.

Will take me a few more days to put on all the coats, and then a week to dry.  I'll take more photos when it's done.

It's even more dark looking now -- I've resigned myself to it.  It's not out of place in my living room, where i have a dark wood coffee table, it just still seems like a waste since you can barely see the wood grain..

I'm thinking to go with "satin" as the final coat.  Any finishers have preferences for gloss vs semi vs satin?
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Post by: ayryq on June 27, 2015, 06:16 PM
Are you using gloss for the build-up coats? I would go with the glossier of the non-gloss options for the final coat—so as not to obscure the grain further. You can always add some paste wax or another coat of satin if it's too shiny, but it's hard to go back from too matte.
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Post by: ayryq on June 27, 2015, 06:18 PM
By the way here's some of my projects:
http://lumberjocks.com/ayryq/projects
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 27, 2015, 06:25 PM
Are you using gloss for the build-up coats?

yep -- i've read it's best to use gloss for all but final coat.

wow, aryq's a real woodworker!! nice!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 01, 2015, 12:45 PM
I'm finally finished with the finishing. Finally.
Not fun.  I would think twice about using wipe-on poly for big things in the future -- just takes too long to build up.

I went with satin as the final coat and am happy with that decision (somewhat ironic since my initial idea was to buff to a mirror gloss).

I'll post new photos soon.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 02, 2015, 02:09 PM
Some final photos.  It's hard to take a photo that doesn't look REALLY dark and shadowy.  In real life, although it is dark, it doesn't look quite so shadowy, and looks more like normal dark wood furniture.
I think it looks a lot better in real life than it does in the photos.

Overall I'm very happy with the new media center, though I'm not sure I would do it all over again given the time and money it took (because of my inexperience).

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Finally now I can get back to DC work!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on July 02, 2015, 03:05 PM
I love it :up:
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Post by: Deozaan on July 02, 2015, 04:26 PM
That looks great! :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 02, 2015, 05:33 PM
Thanks for the compliments!

I did this mostly for the experience -- and i think i'd have a hard time advising someone to do the same -- in most cases you'd be better off buying something already made --  save yourself the hassle.
The one benefit of making it yourself is getting the dimensions and areas exactly how you want them..

For example in my case:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 02, 2015, 11:12 PM
Summarizing some lessons learned from the recent project:

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 08, 2015, 03:38 PM
I found an old photo of what the new cabinet replaced.  So here is what used to be there:
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Post by: Deozaan on July 08, 2015, 04:37 PM
The new furniture definitely looks much nicer. Nice work! :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 11, 2015, 11:38 AM
Custom made center speaker cover (spring-loaded pops off):

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Behind that is the center speaker, the network switch, and the thermostat control for a cabinet fan (http://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-AIRPLATE-Thermostat-Cabinets/dp/B00QFWWZQO/) in back of the stereo equipment, to keep things cool:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on July 12, 2015, 06:27 PM
Can we get more details on the spring loaded speaker cover?

Also, does your new cabinet include a TV mount? Or is it a wall mount?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 12, 2015, 07:46 PM
spring loaded speaker cover =
a $1.50 magnetic spring latch that you can get at any hardware store.
a square frame built from 1/4 inch square dowels wrapped in speaker fabric.

as for the tv -- i used a wall mount even though it places the tv almost exactly same place a tv stand would put it, just so it would leave the top of the cabinet uncluttered.  i had to employ a trick i use when wall mounting heavy objects on my plaster walls that don't have studs, which is to mount a wood plank to the wall and then attach the tv mount to it.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on July 12, 2015, 08:08 PM
as for the tv -- i used a wall mount even though it places the tv almost exactly same place a tv stand would put it, just so it would leave the top of the cabinet uncluttered.
-mouser (July 12, 2015, 07:46 PM)

Thanks. I was seeing that plank going down behind the cabinet and thought maybe you had built in the plank/wallmount onto the cabinet.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 12, 2015, 08:17 PM
I actually considered it, but it seems secure not attached to the cabinet. it does look like its attached behind it though.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: arvin23 on October 14, 2015, 12:07 AM
The one you know how to use!

Seriously, most anything from Sketchup to Solidworks will suffice for the work I see here.
It all depends on what you are comfortable using, or learning.

If this is a new pursuit for you ( designing on computer) I'd keep it simple.
The more capable pro design packages give you endless flexibility which comes in handy is special situations.
The downside is all those options can be overwhelming. Rhino has 10 options for drawing a circle, for instance.

A lot of people like Sketchup and you can't beat the price.
There are many good tutorials online and some are specific to woodworking (http://www.pvsinternational.com/).
That said if you have any experience with other CAD programs you might find it confusing to transition. ( I know I have to switch my hat around when I switch to Sketchup)

Another consideration is 2D vs 3D.
If you are used to working in traditional 2D drafting methods ( top, front and side views) you could work with almost any vector drawing program ( Adobe Illustrator for one) I've done many quick full scale layouts in Illustrator that get the job done.
It doesn't automatically give you dimensions, but there are tools that will give you what you need.


Sorry for the long rambling answer, but there are many options and most of them will work.
There are several very capable Sketchup users on here who I hope will chime in from that perspective.
It may well be the way to go.

Good luck
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 10, 2016, 09:10 PM
I have always loved hammocks, and for the last 4 or 5 years I have been dreaming of hanging one in my place.
The problem? The walls in my 1929 building have no studs.  It's brick on the exterior, and some studless plaster over thin metal frame in the exterior (structure provided by giant steel beams).

Two years ago I decided to go for it and cut a half dozen holes in my wall only to give up having found nothing I could possibly anchor into and hang a hammock from.  I admitted defeat.

Then earlier this year I got a cheap rusty 10ft outdoor hammock stand for free from craigslist in order to hopefully convince myself that having a hammock in the house was actually not something I would really want.  Only it had the opposite effect and I was determined once again to have a hammock in my living room.

When I explained the difficulty I was having figuring out a way to install a hammock everyone said the same thing -- just use the stand.

Never.  Even a beautiful hammock stand would be an eyesore if it had to be sitting in the living room all the time, even when i didn't want it.  And most hammock stands are serious eyesores.

So after a few weeks of planning and purchasing parts, 3 days ago I began Project Impossible Hammock.

The results after 3 solid days of work, one catastrophe that I hope I've figured a way around (unexpectedly hollow bricks 10 inches deep in exterior wall):
Note that all the crazyness you see below is all done in order to create stable surface to mount the anchors to.


In order to mount to the interior living room wall, I cut a 4x4 hole from the living room into the office, and then put a 4x4 post through the wall flush with the living room wall, and strongly screwed the post into a wall-to-wall bookcase on the other side of the wall in my office:
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On the exterior living room wall, I thought I was going to have an easy time, using Sleeve Anchors (https://www.concretefasteners.com/tips/tips-sleeve-anchor.aspx) specially designed to mount in brick.  I bought an SDS drill for the project which can drill through hard brick like butter.  These sleeve anchors can hold an insane amount of force if properly mounted in brick (like 5000 pounds). However, the nasty surprise I disovered however was that the first 10" of the exterior brick wall was actually made up of mostly hollow brick -- unsuitable for holding much weight:
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My solution was to expand the cut out on the exterior wall even more, which revealed that lower on the wall they actually did have full depth of brick.  Then I used the sleeve anchors and some toggle bolts to attach a 30"x10" 3/4 inch oak board to the brick in a half dozen places to spread out the weight.  I anchored into full brick where I could, and then put a couple in the mortar between the hollow bricks (normally a no-no but i think a reasonable compromise that seemed to offer best hold onto surrounding hollow brick), and one toggle bolt directly into middle of a hollow brick.  I used my torque wrench (for car work mostly) to tighten the sleeve anchors to proper torque, and then I mounted the hammock anchor onto that board.
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Here I am testing it..
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Then I replastered the walls to cover up the oak board, etc.  I actually had to use a dremel to cut off the bolt heads and even then built up and feather out the plaster wall another half inch to fully cover and hide the mounting board.  But the result was what I wanted -- nearly invisible hammock mounting points when there is no hammock present:
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And now I wait to see if it holds.  After all this work, if it fails I don't know if I will emotionally survive.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on July 11, 2016, 07:26 AM
Impressive work jesse  :up:
Hope it holds up -- looks like it should
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 12, 2016, 06:39 PM
Hammock doing great so far. cat loves napping with me in it.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on July 13, 2016, 01:58 AM
Hammock doing great so far. cat loves napping with me in it.
-mouser (July 12, 2016, 06:39 PM)
:D
great
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on December 12, 2016, 12:50 PM
Hammock update: It's holding up great and I love it.

I am now seriously considering building my second piece of "fine" furniture, a large chest of drawers/armoire.  I'm afraid it will take me too long to do, cost too much, and that I will struggle getting the drawers to fit again.  My rationale brain tells me to buy a second hand one and save lots of money and energy and time.  But the part of my brain that is rogue is telling me that if I don't build it myself I will regret the lost opportunity/excuse to do so :(
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on December 15, 2016, 04:53 PM
ran across this today and it harks back to the OP.  It might not do everything you were asking for but it's worth a bookmark

http://www.allwinedesigns.com/blog/standing-work-bench
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Post by: KynloStephen66515 on December 15, 2016, 05:59 PM
Hammock update: It's holding up great and I love it.

I am now seriously considering building my second piece of "fine" furniture, a large chest of drawers/armoire.  I'm afraid it will take me too long to do, cost too much, and that I will struggle getting the drawers to fit again.  My rationale brain tells me to buy a second hand one and save lots of money and energy and time.  But the part of my brain that is rogue is telling me that if I don't build it myself I will regret the lost opportunity/excuse to do so :(
-mouser (December 12, 2016, 12:50 PM)

Why not find a second hand one that it maybe old and tired, and make it pretty again? You can still utilize woodworking skills but without such a heavy cost/time burden!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: ayryq on December 16, 2016, 06:19 AM
I'm afraid it will take me too long to do, cost too much, and that I will struggle getting the drawers to fit again.
-mouser (December 12, 2016, 12:50 PM)
It will almost definitely be all of those things. Is woodworking a hobby that brings you enjoyment, or just a means to an end? For me, it usually comes down to when I need the furniture in question. I just bought a pair of bunk beds for my sons that I definitely could have made myself. But I had them "done" in one weekend by buying them, instead of a month (or two) and in this case that was more important. I would disregard cost, by the way. The one you build will almost certainly be better materials and construction than the one you buy. If you want to compare cost, price some furniture made in Amish country—it'll make you feel better about the cost of birch plywood :)

I am now seriously considering building my second piece of "fine" furniture, a large chest of drawers/armoire.
-mouser (December 12, 2016, 12:50 PM)
Remember you will always regret it if you do not build secret compartments.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 18, 2017, 03:06 PM
Hammock update:

Of all the improvements I've made to my place, the hammock install has been the best.  It is a napping machine.  Love it.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on November 15, 2017, 10:01 AM
Latest project, a small 7x5 inch dice tray with cork bottom:
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Considerably easier to build than an 8ft cabinet.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on November 15, 2017, 10:38 AM
More challenging than a dice tray, but still less than the cabinet:  a dice tower :P   Well, as a bonus, a dice tower can be used for both show and play.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on November 15, 2017, 01:16 PM
a dice tower

Actually this dice tray was built to precise dimensions to accommodate a plastic dice tower I have:
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But yeah it might be fun to make a homemade wood dice tower..
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on November 15, 2017, 04:27 PM
That's pretty nifty!  Good finishing work on that too!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on November 15, 2017, 04:40 PM
Yeah I love that Arm-R-Seal stuff... it's super thin so it takes lot's of coats, but it goes on very smooth.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 16, 2018, 07:14 PM
My latest bookcase.. I think I am getting a bit better.  This is before staining and finishing:

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Post by: wraith808 on June 16, 2018, 07:54 PM
That actually looks professionally done!  Kudos!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on June 16, 2018, 08:52 PM
I think I am getting a bit better.
-mouser (June 16, 2018, 07:14 PM)
  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Ath on June 17, 2018, 03:33 AM
That's very nice craftmanship :Thmbsup:
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Post by: mouser on June 22, 2018, 12:29 AM
Well, the photos of it stained and finished do not look so great -- it looks a bit dark, muddy and busy:
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I think it looks a lot better in real life, and will look a lot better once it is filled.  Having said that, I think maybe next time I will try a much more natural light golden stain, rather than the reddish brown one I've been using...

Once again I used a lot of coats of a thin wipe-on urethane (Arm-R-Seal satin).  It creates a very nice looking and feeling finish that is quite forgiving to apply.  The downside is it takes 5-8 coats so it's very time consuming.  The stain is a water-base aniline dye, which I find a lot less prone to blotching than other types.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on June 22, 2018, 09:59 AM
It doesn't blend in quite as well as it did previously. That said, it's still a nice piece of work and will look quite different when it's filled.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on June 23, 2018, 01:38 AM
Yeah, I can't say I wish I didn't stain it something light and golden and closer to original wood color... But I hope it will look less dark when it is filled with stuff, and that I will like it better over time.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on June 23, 2018, 02:06 AM
I like the red-brown FWIW. Piece looks great :up:
But yeah, maybe a similar colour to the darker squares in the floor would be nice too.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 10, 2018, 04:13 AM
I'm about to get started on a similar structured but more elaborate piece -- an 8ft buffet (sideboard, credenza, etc.) with doors and drawers.
I found a realllllly nice warm golden aniline dye stain that I can't wait to try.. I'm also going to try using proper furniture feet for the first time..

Anyone have any thoughts among these potential designs?

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This buffet will be 8ft (96 inches) long, only 14 inches deep, and about 32 inches tall.  It will be in the hallway, visible as soon as you enter the house.
Among other things, the idea is for it to hold daily use SHOES, but I'm not sure what else.  It's been suggested to me that daily shoes should be stored in open space not behind doors, in order to get good ventilation.

And some foot designs I am considering:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on July 10, 2018, 08:24 AM
I found a realllllly nice warm golden aniline dye stain that I can't wait to try
-mouser (July 10, 2018, 04:13 AM)
So you're dyeing to start?

Design would be dictated by items to be stored.

It's been suggested to me that daily shoes should be stored in open space not behind doors, in order to get good ventilation.
Either ventilate that section from below or give the top a slight overhang at the back and ventilate that section at the back.

And some foot designs I am considering:
FWIW, I'd prefer a matched kickplate, maybe .5" inset, taking the whole piece down to the floor on 3 sides. In which case feet would be concealed and can be simple blocks. I like the look and there'd be no dust bunnies.

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 10, 2018, 09:59 AM
Either ventilate that section from below or give the top a slight overhang at the back and ventilate that section at the back.
yeah it would be easy to ventilate the back.

FWIW, I'd prefer a matched kickplate, maybe .5" inset, taking the whole piece down to the floor on 3 sides

i did that for my living room media cabinet, and it looks nice and i am generally a fan of the built-in look, but one thing about having legs and raising the cabinet off the ground though is it does make it feel a bit less heavy and imposing, and since this is sitting inside a hallway i dont want it to feel too imposing.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 13, 2018, 12:14 PM
I have begun the latest project, hope to have some finished photos in a week or so.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on July 13, 2018, 03:23 PM
I have begun the latest project, hope to have some finished photos in a week or so.
-mouser (July 13, 2018, 12:14 PM)

I'd love to see how close it ends up looking to the 3D version I did for you :D
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 16, 2018, 06:38 PM
Here it is so far after 5 days of solid work:
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I never said I was fast :(

Dimensions are 8ft long by about 30 inches tall.


Note that those aren't the real feet, they are temporary feet so I can stand it up and work with it before i put final real feet on at the end.
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Post by: cranioscopical on July 16, 2018, 10:45 PM
I know you wanted to ventilate your shoes but that's taking things a bit too far!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 17, 2018, 02:50 AM
 ;D

Back will go on last.

ps.
Play the game: See if you can find #24 and my roomate.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on July 17, 2018, 03:22 AM
Play the game: See if you can find #24 and my roomate.
-mouser (July 17, 2018, 02:50 AM)
:up:
Spoiler
Roommate: left middle? lazing on a cushion (the life!)
#24: in the mirror

No idea what it's about but I love the 'La Chien... [cant read the end there] c'est Lui' picture
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Post by: mouser on July 17, 2018, 03:25 AM
That poster was my father's -- let's see who can tell us what it refers to.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 17, 2018, 03:26 AM
As for the #24, only those who are familiar with the post of Cranioscopical's wife's paintings will be able to find that one...
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Post by: cranioscopical on July 17, 2018, 10:27 AM
See if you can find #24
-mouser (July 17, 2018, 02:50 AM)
I'll have to reflect on it.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on July 17, 2018, 10:30 AM
my roomate
-mouser (July 17, 2018, 02:50 AM)
In the carcass?
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Post by: mouser on July 17, 2018, 11:05 AM
In the carcass?
Nope, keep looking.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 17, 2018, 12:56 PM
Here it is upright so you can see exactly where it will be and how much space it will occupy.

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Post by: cranioscopical on July 17, 2018, 04:38 PM
Here it is upright so you can see exactly where it will be and how much space it will occupy.

Nice work  :up:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 19, 2018, 10:59 AM
I haven't made too many mistakes so far, but the doors have been a predictable struggle.
One problem was of my own making in the design stage.  I should have known not to try to put a double door where two doors close and meet in the middle.  Inset doors are hard enough, but having two doors meet with no vertical divider between them makes alignment even more difficult.  The eyes notice a misalignment here more than anywhere i think.  Plus it looks a little odd.  So after failing to get my doors to align sufficiently well, and cutting them too narrow, I decided to back up and put a vertical rail divider between them.  Makes accessing the contents slightly less convenient but I think it will look better...

Now I have to pick out some pulls for the drawers.. I have been using these T-bar pulls in other builds and I like them, so I'll probably go with them for the drawers and doors:
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Post by: mouser on July 19, 2018, 02:11 PM
Here are the new doors, with the new vertical divider between them.

They are attached with concealed (euro) hinges.

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Btw I actually had to recut a replacement for one of the doors.. I was trimming it down to fit in the new smaller space and made a beginner mistake trying to take it off the tablesaw before the blade completely finished spinning and it got caught in the blade and put a big gash in it.

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Post by: wraith808 on July 19, 2018, 03:01 PM
This is so interesting to watch!  Thanks for keeping us updated!
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Post by: mouser on July 19, 2018, 03:23 PM
Did anyone find my roomate in the one photo (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=7356.msg421640#msg421640) yet?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 19, 2018, 03:24 PM
This is so interesting to watch!  Thanks for keeping us updated!

Thanks for indulging me.  This is definitely my most carefully constructed and difficult build, if not my biggest.

I'm still struggling over whether to use a light or dark stain.. I hope to have some samples to show soon so I can get some advice.

If all goes well the drawers will be finished today.
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Post by: Deozaan on July 19, 2018, 05:32 PM
Did anyone find my roomate in the one photo (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=7356.msg421640#msg421640) yet?
-mouser (July 19, 2018, 03:23 PM)

Of course. Center left. But I'm still searching for Cody.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 19, 2018, 05:39 PM
 :Thmbsup:

Did you find cranioscopical's wife's painting?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on July 19, 2018, 10:02 PM
Did you find cranioscopical's wife's painting?
-mouser (July 19, 2018, 05:39 PM)

Of course. That's why I'm still looking for Cody (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=45201.msg418608#msg418608).
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 20, 2018, 11:47 PM
Drawer boxes built and drawer slides installed.  false fronts cut.  Spent much of today doing edge banding (not fun).

And put the pulls on the doors:
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With [adjustable] shelves (same shelf also behind doors):
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Post by: mouser on July 21, 2018, 11:29 AM
Drawers finished:

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Cabinet lock added to middle drawer:
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Post by: mouser on July 21, 2018, 11:33 AM
All that's left now is the feet, staining, and finishing (sealant coat).
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Post by: cranioscopical on July 21, 2018, 06:32 PM
All that's left now is the feet, staining, and finishing (sealant coat).
-mouser (July 21, 2018, 11:33 AM)
Good work; watch out for the fumes!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 21, 2018, 06:52 PM
I just have to learn to love the fumes -- it's too big to move outside and too humid outside to open the windows.  So it's just me and the fumes.
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Post by: wraith808 on July 21, 2018, 07:18 PM
I just have to learn to love the fumes -- it's too big to move outside and too humid outside to open the windows.  So it's just me and the fumes.
-mouser (July 21, 2018, 06:52 PM)

I solder a lot and purchased a fume extractor.  It wasn't very much, and I do notice a change in the quality of the air while soldering.

https://smile.amazon.com/Xytronic-0608426DLX-426DLX-Fume-Extractor/dp/B0007ZLH4Q/

Not sure how that would work for you, but if not, a respirator might be worth the investment.

https://smile.amazon.com/Respirator-Particulate-Retainer-Chemical-Woodworking/dp/B078PKW2GD/

Or at the very least, a pollution mask

https://smile.amazon.com/Pollution-Military-Respirator-Adjustable-Construction/dp/B07D7CKDH8/
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 21, 2018, 08:17 PM
I actually do have a high quality respirator, and it's useful for strong but short lasting fumes.
In this cases the urethane doesn't have much fumes, but it's like a 4-5 day process of putting 2 coats on per day, so it adds up.  I can't very well wear a respirator for 4 days.
Normally I would open some windows and put some fans and get some good air flow going.. but this summer it's been like 80% humidity constantly, so I'm really reluctant to do that as I fear it will interfere with the drying.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 21, 2018, 08:19 PM
So I'm trying to decide between stain colors.  I have my standard dark one that I love that I have used on previous builds, and then I have this new lighter golden red/orange "antique maple" one that I think looks really nice:
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So I'm torn on which color to go with.. Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on July 21, 2018, 08:43 PM
So I'm torn on which color to go with.. Thoughts anyone?
-mouser (July 21, 2018, 08:19 PM)

I feel like last time you made something you said you should try going for a lighter, more natural color. Have your feelings on the matter changed?

That said, the darker one seems like it might match the floor better.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: rgdot on July 21, 2018, 08:53 PM
Light one, larger pieces being dark make a room look .... well dark :D
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on July 21, 2018, 10:20 PM
+1 for lighter, especially in a hallway.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Ath on July 22, 2018, 03:10 AM
I'd go for the lighter color. It'll get a little darker when the second coat is applied, and probably a bit more when the protective finish is added, again in 2 layers. And most likely it wil go a tad darker over time as it ages by the (sun) light. Plus, if you dislike the light color, you can darken it later, that's not possible when starting with the dark color.
Long story short: lighter looks nicer. :up: (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/3Smileys/twocents.gif)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 22, 2018, 03:28 AM
Reading the comments so far about color is like reading my mind.

I did a test of putting the darker stain on top of the lighter, and it looks just fine, SO my plan is to stain the entire thing the lighter color, and then spend a day with it and see how I like it.  If it clashes too much with the color of the mirror and floor or seems to orangey, I will put the dark stain on top.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: f0dder on July 22, 2018, 05:10 AM
I prefer the original, non-stained color, to be honest.

The two color samples you're showing remind me of furniture in old people's homes - so dark and brooding :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 22, 2018, 05:14 AM
The two color samples you're showing remind me of furniture in old people's homes - so dark and brooding

I think it needs to be stained, but a more natural yellow would be an option, if I had such a dye available.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on July 22, 2018, 12:02 PM
The two color samples you're showing remind me of furniture in old people's homes - so dark and brooding

I think it needs to be stained, but a more natural yellow would be an option, if I had such a dye available.
-mouser (July 22, 2018, 05:14 AM)

Could you just stain it for protection rather than decoration/coloring?  Like using Minwax or Defy or any of the other clear protective coats?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 22, 2018, 12:06 PM
Sorry, what I meant was -- there is no technical reason to have to stain it, but staining really adds depth, even if it's a very light color, because it creates some interesting shading differences in different parts of the wood, which help make it look good after you put the topcoat on.  Without a stain the wood looks a bit unfinished to my eyes.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 23, 2018, 08:00 AM
First coat of urethane is on.. Let the fumes begin.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on July 23, 2018, 08:24 AM
Sorry, what I meant was -- there is no technical reason to have to stain it, but staining really adds depth, even if it's a very light color, because it creates some interesting shading differences in different parts of the wood, which help make it look good after you put the topcoat on.  Without a stain the wood looks a bit unfinished to my eyes.
-mouser (July 22, 2018, 12:06 PM)


Ah, I get what you mean.  And I get the problem also- on my smaller projects, I always stain them for that reason.  This just seemed to actually look good unstained.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 23, 2018, 08:44 AM
It's largely an individual style issue too -- some people like the look of natural wood.  My father made stuff (benches, bookcases, etc.) and I don't think it ever occurred to him to go through all the hassle of staining and finishing just for appearance -- he just left the wood raw. 

When I built my wall of bookcases the idea of staining them did not even occur to me, I just painted them white, which seems to me the most practical and best bang for the buck approach.  Looks good, protects, and hides problems.

It's only recently that I've started expending the effort to build stuff well enough to warrant staining, and taken the time to find a staining (aniline dye) and finishing method (wipe on poly) that I can pull off to my satisfaction.  To me the smooth glassy feel of the polyurethane finish is very satisfying, as is the feeling of accomplishment when you take something to a high degree of finesse.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 24, 2018, 08:52 PM
4 of 8 coats have been applied.
To the cabinet and to my lungs.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on July 25, 2018, 07:25 AM
4 of 8 coats have been applied.
To the cabinet and to my lungs.
-mouser (July 24, 2018, 08:52 PM)

get out as much as you can :-/
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 26, 2018, 05:15 PM
The 8th and final coat has been applied (6 coats of semigloss, and final 2 of satin, the final finish).
(This wipe-on poly needs lots of coats but it's quite forgiving).

Now I just had to wait for it to try, attach legs + back, and I'll post some photos this weekend.

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 27, 2018, 01:58 PM
All done.  Here are some photos:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on July 27, 2018, 02:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VnCm9Yp.gif)

I would not have known if not for the progress pictures that this was not store-bought.  Great job!

do you take commissions  ;D :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 27, 2018, 03:09 PM
Thanks.

One of the differences between a professional/natural and a hobbyist like me, is it takes me ridiculous amounts of inefficient time and wasted energy and materials to build something like this, and the imperfections are easy to see if you look closely.

The only recompense is the fun of learning how to do something new, and designing something of your own which is just the right size.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on July 27, 2018, 03:27 PM
That looks really nice!

I'm curious about the placement of the feet. I would expect them to be almost flush with the outside corners, and maybe an extra one or two near the center. Why did you choose to place them the way you did?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on July 27, 2018, 03:36 PM
Looking lovely mouser!
I see what you mean about the stain bringing out the character of the wood more.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: f0dder on July 27, 2018, 03:51 PM
I'm curious about the placement of the feet. I would expect them to be almost flush with the outside corners, and maybe an extra one or two near the center. Why did you choose to place them the way you did?
-Deozaan (July 27, 2018, 03:27 PM)
Better support and weight distribution?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 27, 2018, 04:52 PM
I regret not putting them closer to the outside edges.

They had to be inset from back a couple of inches because there is baseboard trim i want to clear so the back of the cabinet can be flush against the wall.

But yeah, I actually think it would have looked nicer if the legs were closer to front and thus more visible.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 27, 2018, 04:55 PM
I see what you mean about the stain bringing out the character of the wood more.

Truthfully I'm always a little trepidatious when it comes to staining wood.. Part of me always looks at it afterwards and feels it looks too "blotchy".
But after I build up a nice thick satin finish of urethane, I feel like it looks a lot better, at least in person.  In photos it still looks a little blotchy to me.

And I'm still unconvinced as to whether I chose correctly going with this lighter reddish/orangeish stain, instead of my normal dark brown stain, but that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: f0dder on July 27, 2018, 06:03 PM

But yeah, I actually think it would have looked nicer if the legs were closer to front and thus more visible.
-mouser (July 27, 2018, 04:52 PM)
I, on the other hand, find the look pretty great. Having the legs flush with the rest of the structure seems... blocky, I guess. Current placement is good :)

And I'm still unconvinced as to whether I chose correctly going with this lighter reddish/orangeish stain, instead of my normal dark brown stain, but that ship has sailed.
-mouser (July 27, 2018, 04:55 PM)
Oh, this is the light color I slammed on IRC? Looks a lot nicer on the finished product!

If you were to pick a darker tint, I think a deep chestnut kinda thing would have been nice in that setting.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 27, 2018, 07:30 PM
Loaded up with some stuff:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on July 27, 2018, 07:43 PM
I, on the other hand, find the look pretty great. Having the legs flush with the rest of the structure seems... blocky, I guess. Current placement is good
-f0dder (July 27, 2018, 06:03 PM)

Agreed!  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Ath on July 28, 2018, 02:29 AM
Great job :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 28, 2018, 08:13 AM
Speaking of leg position.. Today with my empty cabinet, in order to air it out more, I opened all the drawers fully and the doors...

You can guess what almost happened -- I just caught it in  time as it was about to tip over onto me (!)  :tellme:

I'm not sure having the legs fully forward would have prevented the problem, but it certainly would have helped.  So I may move the legs forward.  Or just remember to load the cabinet up more and not pull out all the drawers at once.

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on July 28, 2018, 12:02 PM
Speaking of leg position.. Today with my empty cabinet, in order to air it out more, I opened all the drawers fully and the doors...

You can guess what almost happened -- I just caught it in  time as it was about to tip over onto me (!)  :tellme:

I'm not sure having the legs fully forward would have prevented the problem, but it certainly would have helped.  So I may move the legs forward.  Or just remember to load the cabinet up more and not pull out all the drawers at once.


-mouser (July 28, 2018, 08:13 AM)

Do you have CCTV?  I need videos of you having a panic attack when it happened...for....reasons :')
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: IainB on July 29, 2018, 07:54 PM
Speaking of leg position.. Today with my empty cabinet, in order to air it out more, I opened all the drawers fully and the doors...
You can guess what almost happened -- I just caught it in  time as it was about to tip over onto me (!) 
-mouser (July 28, 2018, 08:13 AM)
I wondered about that! From the photo it looked as though it could be unstable - the oblong box looked to have too narrow a base to be stable. When I looked at the photo, I initially (mistakenly) thought that you must have had the back of the cabinet screwed to the wall, then I read that the front legs had been recessed and wondered how that was working out. Generally speaking, for stability, narrow cabinets need to have the feet extend outwards, to widen the base of the footprint in the direction of potential fall. Of course, then, people may trip over the extended feet...
Probably simplest to screw the back of the thing into the timber wall studs behind the plaster.
As a standard safety precaution we usually do that anyway with anything in the house which has a narrow footprint (e.g., bookcases), so's they don't fall over too easily in an earth tremor (fairly common in NZ) and squash someone's foot or maim a passing toddler in the process.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on July 30, 2018, 10:04 AM
Truthfully there are virtually no dressers that will not tip over and crush you if you open all of their drawers full of stuff.
You can imagine people with young kids have to worry about such things.
There are special gadgets you can get to hold your furniture to the wall in such cases, and I have a big long office cabinet I bought that has a special mechanism that prevents you from opening both the upper and lower drawers at the same time, just to reduce risk of it tipping over.

Having said that, now that I see that the feet look nice, I will probably move the feet as closer to the front and outside the next chance I get, as I think they look nice, and would make the cabinet somewhat more stable.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 05, 2019, 03:40 PM
Decided to DIY remodel my kitchen myself.. New floor already tiled (not fun!!), old counter and sink just removed.. never done kitchen plumbing before... it will be interesting..

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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2019, 06:58 PM
Plumbing and Electricity are two areas that I personally won't touch.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 06, 2019, 01:39 PM
Decided to DIY remodel my kitchen myself..
-mouser (March 05, 2019, 03:40 PM)
Good Lord! If that's the way your kitchen looks, no wonder you want to remodel.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 07, 2019, 04:46 PM
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM
Plumbing and Electricity are two areas that I personally won't touch.  Good luck!
-wraith808 (March 05, 2019, 06:58 PM)

rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...

even electricians use that rule...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!

Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM
Oops, forgot to quote....
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on March 11, 2019, 08:06 AM
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)

Only a third of it.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)

Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)

This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)

Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)

This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)

I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 11, 2019, 03:03 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)

Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)

This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)

I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
-cranioscopical (March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM)

I feel a need to insulate myself from that line of questioning.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 11, 2019, 06:52 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)

Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)

This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)

I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
-cranioscopical (March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM)

I feel a need to insulate myself from that line of questioning.
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 03:03 PM)

then watt will you do?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 11, 2019, 07:38 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)

Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)

That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)

These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)

That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)

And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.

-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)

I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)

We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)

come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...

-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)

AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)

Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)

Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)

pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)

No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)

Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)

could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon

-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)

Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)

The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)

Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)

This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)

I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
-cranioscopical (March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM)

I feel a need to insulate myself from that line of questioning.
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 03:03 PM)

then watt will you do?
-Target (March 11, 2019, 06:52 PM)

I personally volt that we end this now.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 11, 2019, 09:28 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)
Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)
That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)
These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)
Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)
That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)
And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)
I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)
We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)
come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...
-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)
AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)
Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)
Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)
pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)
No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)
Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)
could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon
-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)
Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)
The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)
Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)
This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)
I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
-cranioscopical (March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM)
I feel a need to insulate myself from that line of questioning.
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 03:03 PM)
then watt will you do?
-Target (March 11, 2019, 06:52 PM)
I personally volt that we end this now.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 07:38 PM)

Come on Wraith, stay on the bus!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 11, 2019, 10:22 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)
Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)
That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)
These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)
Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)
That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)
And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)
I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)
We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)
come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...
-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)
AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)
Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)
Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)
pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)
No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)
Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)
could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon
-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)
Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)
The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)
Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)
This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)
I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
-cranioscopical (March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM)
I feel a need to insulate myself from that line of questioning.
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 03:03 PM)
then watt will you do?
-Target (March 11, 2019, 06:52 PM)
I personally volt that we end this now.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 07:38 PM)

Come on Wraith, stay on the bus!
-Target (March 11, 2019, 09:28 PM)

I'm feeling sad for Wraith, his message won't relay.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 11, 2019, 11:07 PM
rule of thumb, no one should ever touch electricity...
-Target (March 07, 2019, 11:18 PM)
Shocking revelation, that.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 12:04 AM)
That lightning wit on display, eh?
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 12:20 AM)
These kinds of remarks are a bit of a jolt!
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:21 AM)
Ohm my word, I knew you all wouldn't be able to resist.
-skwire (March 08, 2019, 08:39 AM)
That comment really Hertz.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 09:49 AM)
And so it should! After all, we are discussing the crown joules of mouser's demesne.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 02:46 PM)
I think that there is a potential difference that you re-fuse to see that I can't relay between our alternating current conversations.
-wraith808 (March 08, 2019, 04:04 PM)
We're poles apart and, to be direct, at the risk of seeming a growler, that kind of thinking comes close to analog ic. You really should keep an ion it.
-cranioscopical (March 08, 2019, 08:07 PM)
come on guys, try to remember this is a DC forum...
-Target (March 09, 2019, 08:54 PM)
AC your problem.  ;D
-wraith808 (March 09, 2019, 09:25 PM)
Un-phased by all of this...
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 04:39 AM)
Trust you to pylon!
-cranioscopical (March 10, 2019, 12:45 PM)
pretty sure you guys have ground about as much as you can out of this
-Target (March 10, 2019, 06:03 PM)
No one would fault mouser if he set an impedance on the frequency of off-topic conversations on this circuit and placed a demand on us to cut it short.
-wraith808 (March 10, 2019, 07:09 PM)
Or he lets us go on by extension, cord-ially....
-Shades (March 10, 2019, 11:57 PM)
could go either way, though I fully expect him to arc up soon
-Target (March 11, 2019, 03:06 AM)
Would we want to have him amp up about this?
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 07:34 AM)
The mains part of this powerful conversation sure went off the rail, didn't it?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 10:34 AM)
Only a third of it.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 10:42 AM)
This conversation's spark is fading, so wire you giving it more continuity?
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 02:22 PM)
I can't tell—do you approve of such conduct or not?
-cranioscopical (March 11, 2019, 02:32 PM)
I feel a need to insulate myself from that line of questioning.
-skwire (March 11, 2019, 03:03 PM)
then watt will you do?
-Target (March 11, 2019, 06:52 PM)
I personally volt that we end this now.
-wraith808 (March 11, 2019, 07:38 PM)

Come on Wraith, stay on the bus!
-Target (March 11, 2019, 09:28 PM)

I'm feeling sad for Wraith, his message won't relay.
-Shades (March 11, 2019, 10:22 PM)

I just don't want the thread to diode and gray.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 12, 2019, 12:59 AM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)

field? field??? oh, I get it, FIELD! Bazinga!!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)

It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 12, 2019, 08:10 AM
finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
Well done! It's quite novel the way you have hot water coming from the cold tap when the light goes on.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)

It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!

-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)

We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)

It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!

-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)

We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)

Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)

can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)

can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?

-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)

Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)

can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?

-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)

Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)

Yep, we just keep plugging along.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 14, 2019, 01:50 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
-Shades (March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Let me reach out to my contacts, and I'll get back to you.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 14, 2019, 01:56 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
-Shades (March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Let me reach out to my contacts, and I'll get back to you.
-skwire (March 14, 2019, 01:50 PM)

I think it'll require a three-pronged approach to cover the ground.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 15, 2019, 01:12 AM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
-Shades (March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Let me reach out to my contacts, and I'll get back to you.
-skwire (March 14, 2019, 01:50 PM)

I think it'll require a three-pronged approach to cover the ground.
-cranioscopical (March 14, 2019, 01:56 PM)

But after that you'll feel transform...er, converted.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 15, 2019, 03:07 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
-Shades (March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Let me reach out to my contacts, and I'll get back to you.
-skwire (March 14, 2019, 01:50 PM)

I think it'll require a three-pronged approach to cover the ground.
-cranioscopical (March 14, 2019, 01:56 PM)

But after that you'll feel transform...er, converted.
-Shades (March 15, 2019, 01:12 AM)

What on earth do you mean?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 15, 2019, 03:13 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
-Shades (March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Let me reach out to my contacts, and I'll get back to you.
-skwire (March 14, 2019, 01:50 PM)

I think it'll require a three-pronged approach to cover the ground.
-cranioscopical (March 14, 2019, 01:56 PM)

But after that you'll feel transform...er, converted.
-Shades (March 15, 2019, 01:12 AM)

What on earth do you mean?

-cranioscopical (March 15, 2019, 03:07 PM)

I'm not certain he has the capacity to trace that line of questioning.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 15, 2019, 11:25 PM
i interrupt this PUN war to report in from the field: I have somehow finished all electric wiring and plumbing, and everything works (!)
-mouser (March 11, 2019, 11:29 PM)
It all works?!  To celebrate, I volt for a Faraday for an entire week!
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 06:59 AM)
We'll just call you the generator of a new war...
-wraith808 (March 12, 2019, 09:11 AM)
Leave it to Jody Ohms to be the transformer of the conversation..
-skwire (March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM)
can someone remind me, wire are we doing this?
-Target (March 13, 2019, 05:27 PM)
Because no one will be the terminator of the arc.
-wraith808 (March 13, 2019, 05:54 PM)
Yep, we just keep plugging along.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 06:04 PM)


I suppose for some its an outlet, but for the rest its just circuitous...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 09:06 PM)

As long as the posts are positive, and not negative, I'm happy to continue.
-skwire (March 13, 2019, 09:28 PM)

IC...
-Target (March 13, 2019, 10:38 PM)

Well, hopefully none reverse the polarity of the thread.
-wraith808 (March 14, 2019, 07:34 AM)

For that, where do I need to sine the petition?
-Shades (March 14, 2019, 08:21 AM)

Let me reach out to my contacts, and I'll get back to you.
-skwire (March 14, 2019, 01:50 PM)

I think it'll require a three-pronged approach to cover the ground.
-cranioscopical (March 14, 2019, 01:56 PM)

But after that you'll feel transform...er, converted.
-Shades (March 15, 2019, 01:12 AM)

What on earth do you mean?

-cranioscopical (March 15, 2019, 03:07 PM)

I'm not certain he has the capacity to trace that line of questioning.

-skwire (March 15, 2019, 03:13 PM)

Maybe we should take a pole?  Find out if in this cycle there will be any power in the conversation?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 16, 2019, 12:10 AM
new kitchen done!
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 16, 2019, 01:31 AM
Wow!  Congrats!  That didn't take long at all!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 16, 2019, 02:56 AM
Wow!  Congrats!  That didn't take long at all!
-wraith808 (March 16, 2019, 01:31 AM)

he was on a charge...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 17, 2019, 09:54 PM
I've built some surrounding small cabinets/shelves to make the range look more built-in and use every available inch of storage:
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(the left hand side has a little door; the right hand side is open shelving)
they both have a piece of tile on top of them for easy cleaning.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: anandcoral on March 18, 2019, 05:26 AM
I've built some surrounding small cabinets/shelves to make the range look more built-in and use every available inch of storage:

(the left hand side has a little door; the right hand side is open shelving)
they both have a piece of tile on top of them for easy cleaning.
-mouser (March 17, 2019, 09:54 PM)

Wow ! Sparks flew as I scrolled down this thread !!
Congratulation Mouser on your new kitchen.
Your hard work is glowing bright  :Thmbsup:

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 18, 2019, 07:21 AM
I've built some surrounding small cabinets/shelves to make the range look more built-in and use every available inch of storage:
-mouser (March 17, 2019, 09:54 PM)
You made a really good job of those. I didn't even notice them in the first picture because they fit in so well—I thought it was all range.

Working on this stuff you're obviously in your element.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 18, 2019, 02:24 PM
Someone suggested that I make a video of myself while I'm in misery half-way done with these projects, cursing myself for starting them.
That way I won't forget how miserable I was doing it and will think twice before I begin the next project.
The problem is that when the projects are complete all I remember is the nice result, and I forget that I promised myself not to do another one.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 19, 2019, 08:33 AM
he was on a charge...
-Target (March 16, 2019, 02:56 AM)

As long as he didn't charge into somebody, which might be considered battery, there should be no need to get the coppers involved.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 19, 2019, 05:25 PM
he was on a charge...
-Target (March 16, 2019, 02:56 AM)

As long as he didn't charge into somebody, which might be considered battery, there should be no need to get the coppers involved.
-skwire (March 19, 2019, 08:33 AM)

we'd all end up in cells
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 20, 2019, 02:20 PM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM)

That was a circuitous path to that current pun.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 20, 2019, 02:45 PM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM)

That was a circuitous path to that current pun.
-wraith808 (March 20, 2019, 02:20 PM)

Circuitous?  More like a straight conduit to the pun...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on March 20, 2019, 07:18 PM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM)

That was a circuitous path to that current pun.
-wraith808 (March 20, 2019, 02:20 PM)

Circuitous?  More like a straight conduit to the pun...
-skwire (March 20, 2019, 02:45 PM)

Just DODdering along, more like...
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Shades on March 20, 2019, 08:41 PM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM)

That was a circuitous path to that current pun.
-wraith808 (March 20, 2019, 02:20 PM)

Circuitous?  More like a straight conduit to the pun...
-skwire (March 20, 2019, 02:45 PM)

Just DODdering along, more like...
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 07:18 PM)

This thread keeps soldering on....
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on March 20, 2019, 08:43 PM
At some point it would be more fun to see photos of other people's DIY home improvements..  :tellme:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Target on March 21, 2019, 12:51 AM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM)

That was a circuitous path to that current pun.
-wraith808 (March 20, 2019, 02:20 PM)

Circuitous?  More like a straight conduit to the pun...
-skwire (March 20, 2019, 02:45 PM)

Just DODdering along, more like...
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 07:18 PM)

This thread keeps soldering on....
-Shades (March 20, 2019, 08:41 PM)

we're determined to wiring as much out of it as possible

no doubt at some point we'll loop back to the beginning again
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on March 21, 2019, 08:10 AM
Good lord this Cranioscopicallity is spreading like a virus.
-mouser (March 19, 2019, 08:57 AM)
Do I sense some internal resistance?
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 06:01 AM)

That was a circuitous path to that current pun.
-wraith808 (March 20, 2019, 02:20 PM)

Circuitous?  More like a straight conduit to the pun...
-skwire (March 20, 2019, 02:45 PM)

Just DODdering along, more like...
-cranioscopical (March 20, 2019, 07:18 PM)

This thread keeps soldering on....
-Shades (March 20, 2019, 08:41 PM)

we're determined to wiring as much out of it as possible

no doubt at some point we'll loop back to the beginning again
-Target (March 21, 2019, 12:51 AM)

But only if we switch to a closed-circuit design.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on March 21, 2019, 03:10 PM
At some point it would be more fun to see photos of other people's DIY home improvements..  :tellme:
-mouser (March 20, 2019, 08:43 PM)

I thought the answer to that would be obvious by now?  None of us are as gifted as you!   ;D :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on April 12, 2019, 02:58 PM
Small update, I tiled the backsplash behind my sink with photo tiles that my father took of the old neighborhood in new york city where I grew up:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: skwire on April 12, 2019, 03:04 PM
Nice homage to your Pops.   :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on April 12, 2019, 05:45 PM
Nice homage to your Pops.   :Thmbsup:
-skwire (April 12, 2019, 03:04 PM)

 8) :up:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 28, 2020, 12:45 PM
My latest project, a custom board game table top for recording youtube board game videos:
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Maple rails, with a 3' x 4' center playing area, inset about 2.5" deep, with a recess to hide mat edges.  The bottom is hard wood veneered plywood (cherry).  I could have used standard plywood for the bottom as I can't imagine ever playing on it without a mat, but I happened to have a good full sheet of the cherry veneered plywood so I used that, and finished everything as if it were going to be seen.

I used my "normal" finishing method, which I swear by, and think I have described above: Analine dyes followed by 6 or so coats of Arm-R-Seal semi-gloss, followed by 2 coats of Arm-R-Seal satin, about 8 hours apart each coat, sanded lightly 300grit between coats.  Takes lots of time but its smooth as silk and almost foolproof.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 28, 2020, 12:55 PM
See if you can spot cody :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on September 28, 2020, 01:34 PM
My latest project, a custom board game table top for recording youtube board game videos:
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Maple rails, with a 3' x 4' center playing area, inset about 2.5" deep, with a recess to hide mat edges.  The bottom is hard wood veneered plywood (cherry).  I could have used standard plywood for the bottom as I can't imagine ever playing on it without a mat, but I happened to have a good full sheet of the cherry veneered plywood so I used that, and finished everything as if it were going to be seen.

I used my "normal" finishing method, which I swear by, and think I have described above: Analine dyes followed by 6 or so coats of Arm-R-Seal semi-gloss, followed by 2 coats of Arm-R-Seal satin, about 8 hours apart each coat, sanded lightly 300grit between coats.  Takes lots of time but its smooth as silk and almost foolproof.
-mouser (September 28, 2020, 12:45 PM)


Wow!  Really nice!  I've been thinking of getting on- maybe I should just pay you to make me one! ;)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Ath on September 28, 2020, 01:38 PM
Wow, looking fantastic, real craftmanship! :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

See if you can spot cody :)
-mouser (September 28, 2020, 12:55 PM)
Found 'm ;D
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: cranioscopical on September 28, 2020, 04:55 PM
See if you can spot cody
-mouser (September 28, 2020, 12:55 PM)
I think you should shelve that idea!
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Dormouse on September 28, 2020, 06:06 PM
See if you can spot cody :)
-mouser (September 28, 2020, 12:55 PM)
Spoiler
Pride of place

  8)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Dormouse on September 28, 2020, 06:12 PM
I used that, and finished everything as if it were going to be seen.
-mouser (September 28, 2020, 12:45 PM)
A follower of Henry Ford I see
 “Quality means doing it right when no one is looking."

'Tis pretty spectacular
Sadly I've never had the patience for that level of practical perfection
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 28, 2020, 07:22 PM
Early test screenshot from a lighting test video, still some tweaking to do..
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on September 28, 2020, 08:14 PM
Very nice!  I like the fact that you can have games facing outward.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 28, 2020, 08:49 PM
Yeah I had to lose about 100 books into recycling to make room for that  :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on September 28, 2020, 09:09 PM
Personally I don't like the way the blue light reflects off the games and shines into the camera. Makes me feel like I'm watching a Michael Bay film.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 28, 2020, 09:33 PM
I can dim the led strip lights and change their color.. maybe we can find a better setting.  I can definitely see those lights being one of those things that some people like and some don't..
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on September 29, 2020, 04:44 AM
I don't mind the way they illuminate the shelf and the things on it. In fact I do like it. But the shiny game cases reflecting the light directly into the camera makes me feel like the light is shining right in my eyes. Some games are worse than others. All the Pandemic games do it. The Cthulhu and Fall of Rome games do it. Flash Point looks fine. The three on the farthest left look fine. The one farthest right looks fine.

Maybe if you could cover/wrap the LEDs with some thin fabric or something to diffuse the light so they just cast a soft color like the way it appears on the three games on the left. Then again, that might be a fire hazard if it causes the LEDs to get too warm. I dunno.

Don't worry too much about it. Most people probably won't mind it. :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on September 29, 2020, 04:55 AM
^ I don't necessarily dislike it but definitely takes over -- it's the strongest part of your screenshot (and leads the eye away from the board).
Possibly warming the tone of the light and changing the angle of the games so they don't reflect so much? Maybe subduing/dimming the light a bit if possible.
#suggestions :-)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 29, 2020, 07:32 AM
I completely agree that the games have become the focal point of that image - dimming the lights may be the way to go or finding some way to make it less "look at me" :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on September 29, 2020, 09:31 AM
I was thinking of it as highlighting the games that the current cast is about- or that you wanted to highlight.  It's good for that, I think, if the games that are there are intentionally placed.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 29, 2020, 10:56 AM
I was thinking of it as highlighting the games that the current cast is about- or that you wanted to highlight.
Exactly.. it will be for highlighting recent or upcoming games for review.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on September 29, 2020, 10:57 AM
Maybe if you could cover/wrap the LEDs with some thin fabric or something to diffuse the light
Good idea, might be worth a try.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on October 01, 2020, 01:26 AM
More toned down look:
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Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on October 01, 2020, 04:51 AM
More toned down look:
-mouser (October 01, 2020, 01:26 AM)

Much improved, IMO! :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: tomos on October 01, 2020, 07:14 AM
More toned down look:
-mouser (October 01, 2020, 01:26 AM)
I like  :up:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on October 01, 2020, 07:40 AM
I like either one so  ;D :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: BGM on October 01, 2020, 11:04 AM
Early test screenshot from a lighting test video, still some tweaking to do..
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-mouser (September 28, 2020, 07:22 PM)

Mouser, is that you in that photo?
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: wraith808 on October 01, 2020, 01:21 PM
Early test screenshot from a lighting test video, still some tweaking to do..
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-mouser (September 28, 2020, 07:22 PM)

Mouser, is that you in that photo?
-BGM (October 01, 2020, 11:04 AM)

Yes... you've not seen him before?  He posted up photos of him and Mrs Mouser before.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Dormouse on October 01, 2020, 01:43 PM
More toned down
-mouser (October 01, 2020, 01:26 AM)
So, less likely to distract your opponents.
I suppose that would be fairer ...
... if that's what you want.
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: mouser on October 01, 2020, 02:56 PM
Yep, it's me.. I'm getting less concerned about having photographic evidence of how I look on the web as I get older :)
Title: Re: Software for planning wood bookcases/cabinets/tables etc?
Post by: Deozaan on October 01, 2020, 03:19 PM
Soon we'll have collected enough photos of various angles of mouser that we can successfully make Deep Fake videos of him! :D