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Title: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 09:12 AM
Hi all!

Thanks for your patience!
The forum upgrade has taken place -- tons of fixes, upgrades, and changes.

Hopefully there won't be too many problems -- but there are bound to be some.  Please report them here.



A big thanks to dc member Stephen for all the help testing.
And thanks also to hamradio for doing some work on the badges and icons.

And a HUGE thanks to everyone who has donated to the site, especially during the last fundraiser -- it's only because of your support that it's feasible to spend the time on this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on August 30, 2015, 09:53 AM
OMG   ;)

Thanks mouser, will report if any
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on August 30, 2015, 09:58 AM
This is not exclusive to DC or even new SMF, but personally I dislike when "Unread topics: New | All" is the only option up top (except the Go To dropdown ofcourse). These two links don't include the threads I have posted in.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on August 30, 2015, 10:13 AM
I don't see "new replies to your posts" or anything other than a list of forums(and the already mentioned "unread topics.")
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 10:17 AM
Miles, check the new Go To.. menu, you will see an entry for "Unread replies", which I think is what you want.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 30, 2015, 10:19 AM
For quicker access to that, bookmark: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=unreadreplies
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 10:21 AM
I dislike when "Unread topics: New | All" is the only option up top (except the Go To dropdown ofcourse). These two links don't include the threads I have posted in.

I added the GoTo menu with links to lots of useful pages.. I'm afraid the top area only has room for a couple of links, so we have to decide which are the most important.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on August 30, 2015, 10:25 AM
Understood thanks, for me I will bookmark https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=rtopics
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 11:10 AM
Looking good so far, though Firefox for Android doesn't like the https site much yet, but other browsers seem to work fine.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 11:13 AM
just checking https on chrome also looks borked.. not sure why.. any ideas?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 11:16 AM
Hm, have to take back some of my words:
Funny fact: When accessing the forum using https, the recent post links at the bottom connect over http :o (https wasn't available/tested in the trial conversion)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report your issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 11:22 AM
Another funny fact:
The recent list shows the original title of the thread, instead of the title (subject) of the last post of the thread (testing this now by inserting 'your' in the subject)

Edit: Confirmed.

NB Could the http/https issue be a webserver setting? All links, like the Reply button switch over to http when startjng off on https.

Advantage to me is that https refreshes the page when backing out a thread to the Recent list :-[ Very useful when on a tablet.
Title: ~Gri to Mouser~
Post by: gri on August 30, 2015, 11:36 AM
Thanks for your patience!
-mouser (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?msg=387777)

Short format is operable in 2.X ( https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?msg=387777 ).

Next create the Overground board for public Dialogues
and develop the Global Quoting mod please.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 11:37 AM
is https access of the forum working now?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 11:38 AM
Another funny fact:
The recent list shows the original title of the thread, instead of the title (subject) of the last post of the thread (testing this now by inserting 'your' in the subject)

can you give me the url of the pages where this happens?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 11:48 AM
Now switched to Windows, and Firefox on Windows only started behaving somewhat decent after disabling Avast WebShield HTTPS scanning, as it inserts a fake root certificate, probably unacceptable to Mozilla.

The Donationcoder.com StartCom SSL certificate does support both SHA256 and SHA1 encryption, and SHA1 (with expiration after January 1st 2016) is declared unsafe by Google (first) and Mozilla (hours later), even though it should be accepted with expiration date until January 1st 2017 :'( (See SHA1 Deprecation (https://community.qualys.com/blogs/securitylabs/2014/09/09/sha1-deprecation-what-you-need-to-know))
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 11:48 AM
is https access of the forum working now?
It does seem to work a lot better now! I'll keep testing for a short while...

Edit: HTTPS does seem to work OK now, tested on Windows (FireFox and Edge), Android Phone (FireFox) (tablet is on the charger, I'll test that later), and iPhone (iOS8 Safari).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: IainB on August 30, 2015, 12:02 PM
All seems fine using Firefox 41.0b5.
https is good too (and when using https everywhere Add-on).
So far, it looks like an uneventful changeover. Nice work.    :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 12:24 PM
HTTPS does seem to work OK now, tested on Windows (FireFox and Edge), Android Phone (FireFox) (tablet is on the charger, I'll test that later)
Just tested on the tablet with Firefox on Android and all is fine there too, now that https is set up correctly :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 12:33 PM
Another funny fact:
The recent list shows the original title of the thread, instead of the title (subject) of the last post of the thread (testing this now by inserting 'your' in the subject)
<snipped>
Advantage to me is that https refreshes the page when backing out a thread to the Recent list :-[ Very useful when on a tablet.
Additional advantage of showing the actual title of the last post is/was that most browsers display the link as 'visited', in a somewhat different color, after it's read, so any new messages can be easily recognized when refreshing the browser after returning to the page after some time (from other work). So yes, this is a feature I'd like to return :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 12:34 PM
can you give me the url of the pages where this happens?
The front-page of the forum... ('Active Topics' as the previous list of Recent Posts is now called)

Edit: Post #11 has a changed title, but it didn't show like that in the Active Topics list when it was the most recent
 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 12:50 PM
Another issue:
Some users seem to have lost their Avatar (f.e. Contro, Innuendo) in 'favor' of some default forum-avatar. Most likely because the list of forum-avatars has been revisited/added to/removed from (aka: renumbered). (Some of us are OK as we've uploaded a custom avatar 8))
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2015, 12:53 PM
Some users seem to have lost their Avatar (f.e. Contro, Innuendo)

I *thought* they both didn't have an avatar (?)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2015, 12:55 PM
Forum looks great - thanks to mouser and anyone else involved :-*

But the Cody banner will need to change colour - it clashes with the forum theme.
If there is a copy of it as a vector file, I could mess around with the colours.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 30, 2015, 01:12 PM
Mouser, I've sent you a PM with an issue...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2015, 01:13 PM
Very minor:

The 'Forum' link at the very top of the page (in the menu style row of links) does not work when one is in the forum -
there is a logic to this - but it's not the case with the other links up there, so a lack of consistency there.

(Me, I would just set it for forum home and leave it at that.)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on August 30, 2015, 01:47 PM
Are donationcredits supposed to be showing up?  And history?  Just curious as they don't seem to be.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on August 30, 2015, 02:25 PM
Are donationcredits supposed to be showing up?  And history?  Just curious as they don't seem to be.

I see stats for donation credits and number of messages.  I do not see any preferences to set how threads are shown.  Also I do not see a post history.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2015, 02:33 PM
Are donationcredits supposed to be showing up?  And history?  Just curious as they don't seem to be.

you mean donation history?
I can see both here - there's info from the last 30 days on the credits page and a link for history below that.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 03:02 PM
Are donationcredits supposed to be showing up?  And history?  Just curious as they don't seem to be.

Wraith -- are you by chance using a browser/device that does not show you a menu when you hover over the DonationCredits menu in your profile area?
This seems like it may be that problem -- where the choices of the different donationcredits pages are only available in a hover-over menu.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on August 30, 2015, 03:26 PM
Can we get the "Go To" quick links at the bottom of threads like it was on the old site? It's no fun having to scroll back up to the top of the page just to navigate back to Unread threads or other areas of the site.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on August 30, 2015, 04:01 PM
Are donationcredits supposed to be showing up?  And history?  Just curious as they don't seem to be.

Wraith -- are you by chance using a browser/device that does not show you a menu when you hover over the DonationCredits menu in your profile area?
This seems like it may be that problem -- where the choices of the different donationcredits pages are only available in a hover-over menu.


 I figured it out.  It was my fault.  I didnt see that by default it was only for the past 30 days.  And the menus show up for me in chrome, though I was clicking through the credit amount that now shows next to your profile picture.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 30, 2015, 04:08 PM
Very minor:

The 'Forum' link at the very top of the page (in the menu style row of links) does not work when one is in the forum -
there is a logic to this - but it's not the case with the other links up there, so a lack of consistency there.

(Me, I would just set it for forum home and leave it at that.)

The one here?

Website Home | Blog | Software | Reviews and Features | Forum | Help | Donate | About us

If I click "Forum" it takes me to the root of the Forum (Which is what I assume you meant but isn't working for you?)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2015, 04:26 PM
Very minor:

The 'Forum' link at the very top of the page (in the menu style row of links) does not work when one is in the forum -
there is a logic to this - but it's not the case with the other links up there, so a lack of consistency there.

(Me, I would just set it for forum home and leave it at that.)

The one here?

Website Home | Blog | Software | Reviews and Features | Forum | Help | Donate | About us

If I click "Forum" it takes me to the root of the Forum (Which is what I assume you meant but isn't working for you?)


but when you're there (in the forum) the link no longer works (here).
Reread my post if you're unclear what I mean.

EDIT// never mind, this one has been fixed
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 30, 2015, 04:45 PM
Embedded YT video working here in PaleMoon without a Flash plugin

Testing :)

[VIDEOS]

EDIT// works here in PaleMoon *without* a Flash plugin :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 30, 2015, 05:04 PM
Embedded YT video working here in PaleMoon without a Flash plugin

Testing :)

[VIDEOS]

EDIT// works here in PaleMoon *without* a Flash plugin :Thmbsup:


Yeah, YouTube stuff has been changed to HTML5 on DC now - It also supports vimeo videos using [vimeo][/vimeo]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on August 30, 2015, 06:11 PM
I don't know if it's just because I'm on PM on the tablet but Wiki links aren't showing as links, rather as markup code, eg.

Echucaw

example link: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=38760.msg385387#msg385387

Plus also in my two posts above that one.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 30, 2015, 06:21 PM

I don't understand how to do attachments here. The old version had some five options for thumbnails, full size, and stuff.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 06:22 PM
I don't understand how to do attachments here. The old version had some five options for thumbnails, full size, and stuff.

new forum should have same exact options -- perhaps there was some help text for the old forum?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 06:23 PM
I don't know if it's just because I'm on PM on the tablet but Wiki links aren't showing as links, rather as markup code, eg.

looks like i didnt  bring the wiki mod along to the new forum.. ill add it.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 06:32 PM
Wiki fixed?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 30, 2015, 06:38 PM
I don't understand how to do attachments here. The old version had some five options for thumbnails, full size, and stuff.

new forum should have same exact options -- perhaps there was some help text for the old forum?

I'm not sure what this question means.

In the old one, after you posted or previewed, there was a big dropdown in text on inserting attachments with different types. I don't see anything like that here.

I do see a button to insert attachment but it seems locked to thumbnails.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 06:43 PM
there was a big dropdown in text on inserting attachments with different types.
ah yes, i remember that now.. perhaps i will bring that back.

or i will just elaborate the text that is shown when you hit the image button (far left button on 2nd row of bbc buttons) to explain how to use the different tags.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on August 30, 2015, 06:45 PM
there was a big dropdown in text on inserting attachments with different types.
ah yes, i remember that now.. perhaps i will bring that back.

or i will just elaborate the text that is shown when you hit the image button (far left button on 2nd row of bbc buttons) to explain how to use the different tags.

Having to click OK on that dialog box each time you want to display an attached image is annoying.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 30, 2015, 06:47 PM
there was a big dropdown in text on inserting attachments with different types.
ah yes, i remember that now.. perhaps i will bring that back.

or i will just elaborate the text that is shown when you hit the image button (far left button on 2nd row of bbc buttons) to explain how to use the different tags.

Well the way it is now, it "has added attach thumb" so it would be work to remove it and do "attach inline full size" or whatever. So in a sense it feels anti-intuitive and a bit like what Chrome did vs Firefox by keeping replacing English menus with strange compact buttons!

And yes, Deo's comment too! Plus for me I'd have to make like a little note on my desk on the different syntaxes because there were like 5 ways to do it.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 06:51 PM
Having to click OK on that dialog box each time you want to display an attached image is annoying.

well my assumption was that the attach image button is just basically a reminder of syntax -- most people attaching images regularly wont be using that button.

that button is just there to give you a hint/reminder/example if you don't know (or forget) how to put an image inside your post.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on August 30, 2015, 07:01 PM
there was a big dropdown in text on inserting attachments with different types.
ah yes, i remember that now.. perhaps i will bring that back.

or i will just elaborate the text that is shown when you hit the image button (far left button on 2nd row of bbc buttons) to explain how to use the different tags.

Having to click OK on that dialog box each time you want to display an attached image is annoying.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on August 30, 2015, 07:06 PM
well my assumption was that the attach image button is just basically a reminder of syntax -- most people attaching images regularly wont be using that button.

I disagree. It's easier to click that button a few times than have to manually type [attachthumb=#] five times. In the past, I pretty much always used the dropdown menu to get the text in the text area at least once, then I might just copy and paste it the remaining time.

But yeah, I used that button/menu a lot.

EDIT: Oh hey, I just noticed the links down by the "Choose File" button that will automatically add the text for me. OK. I'm satisfied now. :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 30, 2015, 07:25 PM
well my assumption was that the attach image button is just basically a reminder of syntax -- most people attaching images regularly wont be using that button.

I disagree. It's easier to click that button a few times than have to manually type [attachthumb=#] five times. In the past, I pretty much always used the dropdown menu to get the text in the text area at least once, then I might just copy and paste it the remaining time.

But yeah, I used that button/menu a lot.

EDIT: Oh hey, I just noticed the links down by the "Choose File" button that will automatically add the text for me. OK. I'm satisfied now. :Thmbsup:

Well I'm still lost! Maybe I'm a GUI Menu kinda guy, but I just preferred picking my attach type because all I see are Thumbs and can't for ex see how to get inline full and stuff.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on August 30, 2015, 07:42 PM
Well I'm still lost! Maybe I'm a GUI Menu kinda guy, but I just preferred picking my attach type because all I see are Thumbs and can't for ex see how to get inline full and stuff.

So you want to attach something that's not a thumb? Try taking the "thumb" out of "attachthumb" :Thmbsup:

[attach=#]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 30, 2015, 07:44 PM
Well I'm still lost! Maybe I'm a GUI Menu kinda guy, but I just preferred picking my attach type because all I see are Thumbs and can't for ex see how to get inline full and stuff.

So you want to attach something that's not a thumb? Try taking the "thumb" out of "attachthumb" :Thmbsup:

[attach=#]

So is that Inline or attached below?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 30, 2015, 10:34 PM
i can add a dropdown for the different kinds of inline images -- perhaps ill add it down by the button where you can choose files to attach.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on August 31, 2015, 03:28 AM
Wiki fixed?

Yes thanks, mouser.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 04:42 AM
Is there any way I can hide the social media buttons and the translate drop down box at the bottom of each page? I don't need them and they bother me.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on August 31, 2015, 05:19 AM
And to add a request if possible; a Powershell Code Highlighter if there's one available?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: x16wda on August 31, 2015, 05:52 AM
Hm... lotsa spam here this morning, is that an artifact of the upgrade or just a happy coincidence?  :P
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:35 AM
Is there any way I can hide the social media buttons and the translate drop down box at the bottom of each page? I don't need them and they bother me.

yes, just give me a week to take care of any other bugs and problems with the site/forum, then i can start adding options like this.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:37 AM
And to add a request if possible; a Powershell Code Highlighter if there's one available?
done.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:39 AM
lotsa spam here this morning, is that an artifact of the upgrade or just a happy coincidence?
well the good news is that with an upgraded forum we have a few more weapons we can deploy against spammers -- and more importantly adding more custom code to stop them isn't so painful -- so any increase in spammers is only temporary :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 31, 2015, 06:40 AM
Hm... lotsa spam here this morning, is that an artifact of the upgrade or just a happy coincidence?  :P

I think it's a co-incidence but since "most of the point" of the upgrade is to help relieve Mouser's headaches with his growing spaghetti code, I asked earlier if there are new methods that can help anti-spam. The "brutal" (but it turned out to be effective!) one another site I know that began to have growing spam problems, is the first post must be approved by a moderator. This doesn't stop the *really* clever ones from posting a "legit" comment then spamming, but those guys tend not to be that smart. The only downside is as we try to grow members if that turns away new legit members, and the whole philosophy here is pretty balanced. (I keep saying the "Basement" is a stunning innovation that fixed like 12 random "gray zone" problems!)

Other ways are some kinds of semantic analysis but those risk false positives and negatives. So it's never a clear concrete answer.

Edit: And Mouser just beat me to it!

well the good news is that with an upgraded forum we have a few more weapons we can deploy against spammers -- and more importantly adding more custom code to stop them isn't so painful -- so any increase in spammers is only temporary :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:47 AM
There are two basic techniques to stopping spam:

In general, because of the high annoyance factor with technique #1 -- and the high chance of false positives, and confusing new posters, DC has always favored mild captchas and early-stopping techniques, and leaned heavily on technique #2, with some custom code to help alert moderators quickly to suspicious stuff, and remove it expeditiously.

Usually this means that a spam message is posted and then removed within minutes due to a quick moderator -- but occasionally a spammer will sneak through while all the moderators are sleeping -- despite our odd and overlapping sleep hours :)

After the new forum upgrade settles in we will get some more tools in place to exterminate the spam varmin..
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on August 31, 2015, 07:17 AM
Got the new Forum look today. Looks good. Color combination also soothing. Congratulation to Mouser and all members. :Thmbsup:

Went around the forum and found some points as below,

1. Minor spelling mistake in "Still have questions?  Don't hesitate to context us ([email protected])."
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5nng6uuiplk2pq0doklu10e1i5&action=register

2. The guest image, if temporary then ok, else I will suggest some blank face type image there.
Why he is happy so much in this era of privacy concerns from NSA to Win10 ? Or is he "she" ?

3. The thread page numbers make difficult to click, at least for me.  Pages: prev | 1 2 [3] | bottom | last
I find difficult in positioning my mouse cursor at '1' or '2', say. Can we make it bit wider with space, box etc. ?

I found the "Print" option of message thread very useful. All messages in one long page and one can find any text too.  :Thmbsup:  Many times I needed to find my apps name for any bug fixes mentioned in another thread, say.

Regards,

Anand

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on August 31, 2015, 07:19 AM
And to add a request if possible; a Powershell Code Highlighter if there's one available?
done.

Thanks but I have a question, it seems to be the same as generic, ie. no highlighting - is that correct?

eg. I edited my post here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41467.msg387444#msg387444

Also, I don't know if this is normal or not but the code tag comes out as:
Code: Text [Select]
  1. [code= powershell]

ie. there's a space between the = and powershell, tried removing it but it didn't make any difference.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on August 31, 2015, 07:34 AM
Is there a setting to show newest posts at top of threads?
I can't find it if so.

Edit:  Found it.  Never mind.  :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 08:26 AM
I do not get any update notifications any more. Has that been reported?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 08:30 AM
I do not get any update notifications any more. Has that been reported?
no, that's the first i've heard.
anyone else?

have you checked your profile options for notifications to see if anything looks weird?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 08:43 AM
'Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic' was not ticked. While I don't know if I ever enabled that myself, I know for sure that I always got updates after I replied in a thread.
'For topics and boards I've requested notification on, notify me of' was set to 'Moderation only if I started the topic'. I guess 'Replies and moderation' would make more sense as a default? (I don't think I ever changed that either)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: lanux128 on August 31, 2015, 08:48 AM
The mobile version looks fine on my Android. Great work, mouser!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 08:49 AM
Ok, so a couple of thoughts:
I probably reset some customization options when i upgraded the forum, so users who have customized some settings may find them set to the new default.
I think your "Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic' was not ticked" is the default -- and sensibly so, right? this option if checked will send you notifications by email automatically for every thread you ever post to.

Now the last item sounds like maybe that default is badly set; it sounds like its making notifications basically useless, yeah? that the default should be "'Replies and moderation' ".  Let me look into it and change the default if so.

ACTUALLY: You know i'm thinking that this option is maybe just worded poorly -- the default option may mean to send emails on all replies *AND* "Moderation only if i started topic" -- which would mean that the default IS a reasonable default setting.  That is, the default should be sending you notifications on new replies, as i understand it.

Let me know what behavior you observe, phitsc.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 08:51 AM
The mobile version looks fine on my Android. Great work, mouser!
Awesome.  Mostly thanks to the smf folks but i worked quite a bit on making the forum theme more responsive (slimming down when screen is small), so i'm happy to hear it looks reasonable.

The main website will soon (in 30 days or so?) be completely moved to cms and it will also be responsive/mobile friendly -- we have that working well already.  So looks like we are on the right path.  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 09:00 AM
I think your "Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic' was not ticked" is the default -- and sensibly so, right? this option if checked will send you notifications by email automatically for every thread you ever post to.
Well, for me that makes perfect sense. If I post on a thread I want to know if someone replied or posted on that same thread. But then I do not post or reply that much ;)

ps: now, after changing these settings I assume, I got notified about the reply.
ps2: smilies not working yet?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 09:01 AM
ah, they do work, but not in the preview  :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 09:04 AM
Well, for me that makes perfect sense. If I post on a thread I want to know if someone replied or posted on that same thread. But then I do not post or reply that much
i hear ya -- i'm not saying its not a reasonable thing to enable -- just don't think it's a good default for all users.

ps: now, after changing these settings I assume, I got notified about the reply.
this still troubles me -- i wonder if notifications are not working for others until they change settings..

smilies not working in preview: It's a little strange they don't work in the preview -- i'll look into that.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on August 31, 2015, 09:22 AM
In the "Info Center - Active Topics" section would it be possible to re-enable the feature where it shows "Re:" at the start of the title for posts that are replies (as opposed to brand new threads without any replies)? This made it possible to distinguish at first sight between a new post without replies, and an older discussion with new replies.

Another more general point: the first thing I do when I visit the forum is scroll down to the very bottom to see what's latest in the "Info Center - Active Topics" section. I don't know how many other forum users do that, but if a lot or most of them, then from a usability point of view it might be better to have that section at the very top, so there is no need for all that scrolling. Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the upgrade, Mouser!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 09:22 AM
Smileys not working in preview should be fixed.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 09:24 AM
In the "Info Center - Active Topics" section would it be possible to re-enable the feature where it shows "Re:" at the start of the title for posts that are replies (as opposed to brand new threads without any replies)? This made it possible to distinguish at first sight between a new post without replies, and an older discussion with new replies.

yes, someone else was asking about this too.

Another more general point: the first thing I do when I visit the forum is scroll down to the very bottom to see what's latest in the "Info Center - Active Topics" section.

You are the 2nd person who has told me that's how you read the forum. I had no idea people did this.  Let me think about it a little more, but my main advice is to bookmark the page in the Go to menu that says "Recently updated topics" which is mainly the same contents, but nicer as its on its own page.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 09:27 AM
Indeed they are :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 09:42 AM
In the "Info Center - Active Topics" section would it be possible to re-enable the feature where it shows "Re:" at the start of the title for posts that are replies (as opposed to brand new threads without any replies)? This made it possible to distinguish at first sight between a new post without replies, and an older discussion with new replies.

fixed -- and discovered a substantial inefficiency in the code making that list, so forum should be a little faster to load now too.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2015, 09:56 AM
It certainly looks different!

I keep feeling like I just walked into the wrong house party.  :o

I'm sure it'll pass.  ;D

PS- looks incredibly clear and readable on a smartphone. Even with my lousy eyesight.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 31, 2015, 11:09 AM
The mobile version looks fine on my Android. Great work, mouser!

The main website will soon (in 30 days or so?) be completely moved to cms and it will also be responsive/mobile friendly -- we have that working well already.  So looks like we are on the right path.  :up:

Orly?  ;D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 11:26 AM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on August 31, 2015, 11:29 AM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:

I dislike everything new.  I don't hate the new forum.  That would indicate I will like it later on.  :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on August 31, 2015, 11:42 AM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:

I don't dislike it :)  As with most change, it takes a bit to get accustomed to it.  I appreciate it more for the effort you put behind it than anything else.  And with that, thank you again.   :D :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 11:55 AM
Is there any way I can hide the social media buttons and the translate drop down box at the bottom of each page? I don't need them and they bother me.

If you go to the Forum Profile page of your profile, you will now see a new "Custom options:" item.  I will now use that for supporting miscelaneous advanced/custom options.  If you put -nosocial in that box, it will no longer add the social bookmarking items to your forum pages, or google analytitcs code, protecting you from any privacy concerns.  Translate box still shows because it is completely harmless.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 12:01 PM
Anand said:

1. Minor spelling mistake in "Still have questions?  Don't hesitate to context us ([email protected])."
http://www.donationc...&action=register
thanks, fixed.

2. The guest image, if temporary then ok, else I will suggest some blank face type image there.
im happy to get a replacement!

3. The thread page numbers make difficult to click, at least for me.  Pages: prev | 1 2 [3] | bottom | last
I find difficult in positioning my mouse cursor at '1' or '2', say. Can we make it bit wider with space, box etc. ?
possibly, though im a little concerned with running out of space on small monitor.

I found the "Print" option of message thread very useful. All messages in one long page and one can find any text too.  :Thmbsup:  Many times I needed to find my apps name for any bug fixes mentioned in another thread, say.
great  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on August 31, 2015, 12:15 PM
If you want me to nitpick I would say the background colours of post (like the text you are reading) is not good and mix that with green background when quoting posts it becomes less good.

Nitpicking, I know :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 12:20 PM
I wouldn't say its nitpicking -- but there are a couple of things we need to contend with including the facts that no color scheme is going to be perfect for everyone, and that we want dc to have a somewhat unique feel so we dont just become another stock looking site.

Having said that, I am open to tweaking colors and styles.  The best thing would be if anyone wants to try to improve the dc forum look, set up a browser addon that lets you customize the dc css files in-place, and then when you get it the way you want it, send me the changes!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on August 31, 2015, 12:41 PM
Having said that, I am open to tweaking colors and styles.

The ability to use skins would be ideal.  Especially since a color scheme that is fine for a desktop can show with very fuzzy text on a Laptop.  Usually if there are 3 or 4 skins to choose from one will be much easier to read.  One can use Color Toggle type addons but with skins you can get them and forget them instead of toggling with each site.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: cranioscopical on August 31, 2015, 01:29 PM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:

I prefer the new look.   :Thmbsup:

I find it easier on the eyes, especially with the purple border.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 40hz on August 31, 2015, 01:52 PM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:

I prefer the new look.   :Thmbsup:

I find it easier on the eyes, especially with the purple border.
-cranioscopical (August 31, 2015, 01:29 PM)


Agree with Chris. And I do like it, although it seems strange to my eyes. It's definitely an improvement visually. Kudos on the subtle color scheme. Seems to be much faster and more responsive too. Those annoying semi-hangs I used to experience after posting sometimes are now completely absent. The enhanced video embedding support is welcome. And I'm sure there's a lot that's been improved I haven't stumbled upon yet. But I'm a pretty basic user with most things so it'll take me a while.

So...GREAT WORK MOUSER! WITH THANKS TO YOU AND ALL THOSE WHO WORKED THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES-MAGIC TO MAKE IT ALL HAPPEN!(https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/5Large/impra.gif)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on August 31, 2015, 02:00 PM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:

I prefer the new look.   :Thmbsup:

I find it easier on the eyes, especially with the purple border.
-cranioscopical (August 31, 2015, 01:29 PM)

I am bordering on liking it.  But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 02:07 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on August 31, 2015, 02:15 PM
Hey, where did my footer go?
Ah, it's still there, just some others are blatantly absent ;D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: superboyac on August 31, 2015, 02:32 PM
It's pretty good overall.  To me it feels like the old look, with more of the modern minimalist elements.  A little brighter looking.  I've been preferring dark ("night") themes on sites lately, but that's a personal thing.  Although, it does seem to be taking off...the dark themes.

I've had no real issues or bugs.  I had to spend a minute to find the unread posts button, which is probably my most used button.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on August 31, 2015, 03:19 PM
Surely someone likes the new forum?  :huh:

I do :up:
I said it, I meant it:

Forum looks great - thanks to mouser and anyone else involved :-*

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on August 31, 2015, 03:33 PM
There's something about the formatting of the Unreal All page that kind of bugs me, but I can't put my finger on it. Other than that the new site is pretty good aesthetically, and functionally it's great, snappy, etc. Well done mouser!

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on August 31, 2015, 03:41 PM
Is there any way I can hide the social media buttons and the translate drop down box at the bottom of each page? I don't need them and they bother me.

If you go to the Forum Profile page of your profile, you will now see a new "Custom options:" item.  I will now use that for supporting miscelaneous advanced/custom options.  If you put -nosocial in that box, it will no longer add the social bookmarking items to your forum pages, or google analytitcs code, protecting you from any privacy concerns.  Translate box still shows because it is completely harmless.

Thanks a lot!

Concerning the translate box: harmless, yes, a distraction non the less.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rjbull on August 31, 2015, 04:57 PM
The first things I do on login in is look at the bottom of the home page to see the recent Active Topics, look at Unread Replies to my posts, and new topics since last visit.  I can more or less see these in the new GoTo dropdown, but, replies to my posts is showing what looks like replies to all topics I ever posted in.  I've marked them all as Read now so should only see new posts, but, in the old system, there was an option to mark topics as no longer of interest and to be ignored.  Is that option still available, please?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 04:59 PM
I've modified the Image button to explain better how to use the inline attachment feature, and removed the button from the Quick Reply bbc editor, since there is no way to attach files from the quick reply editor.
As has been discussed above, my intent for this button is largely to serve as help for those who don't yet know how our inline attached images work -- and therefore it is mainly about explaining to the user how to attach an image and refer to it.
As deozaan pointed out above, if you want to quickly insert an inline image you can use the new button down by the Attach Choose File buttons.  So there are solutions both for newbies and advanced users.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 05:01 PM
rj, can you elaborate a little bit -- since i don't often view the pages that show replies to my posts, i'm not familiar with what used to be shown/possible from there.

or to put it a different way -- im not sure if you are saying that there was a page of replies that used to behave differently, or use to have additional options, or if you are saying just that you used to be able to ignore topics on a one by one basis -- and if the latter -- can someone tell me how this option to ignore a topic was presented -- i.e. where the choice to do that was.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on August 31, 2015, 05:13 PM
rj, can you elaborate a little bit -- since i don't often view the pages that show replies to my posts, i'm not familiar with what used to be shown/possible from there.

or to put it a different way -- im not sure if you are saying that there was a page of replies that used to behave differently, or use to have additional options, or if you are saying just that you used to be able to ignore topics on a one by one basis -- and if the latter -- can someone tell me how this option to ignore a topic was presented -- i.e. where the choice to do that was.

Explained on IRC since I didn't notice you asking this here and I want the same thing...but to clarify for others:

On this page: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=unreadreplies there used to be an option that allowed you to select which posts you wanted to never hear from again - sometimes we post in things and the discussion becomes irrelevant to us and we lose interest - on DC2 we can only mark as read which is a pain when you comment on a lot of different topics that you lose interest in so being able to "Ignore Selected Topics In The Future" is a pretty nice thing to have (Which we did on the old server)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 05:17 PM
Thanks to everyone for the encouragement with the upgrade.. I know sometimes change can be unnerving, and I know it can take some time to adjust to changes.

The new forum code is 100x cleaner and easier to maintain than the old codebase, which was my main motivation for the upgrade -- so I'm thrilled with the results in that respect.  And I feel 100x better about customizing stuff now.

So if there are still parts of the site that continue to rub people the wrong way after a week or two, or just feel less efficient than on the old forum, we'll fix them.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rjbull on August 31, 2015, 05:32 PM
rj, can you elaborate a little bit
Competently explained by Stephen66515, to whom my thanks  :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 05:33 PM
Ok I think i see now the old code for ignoring threads to keep them off those pages of recent posts..
Im going to look into adding that back, just give me a bit -- the feature was provided by non-trivial modifications that we made on the original forum that was tied into the ability to mark threads in a variety of ways (to ignore, to bookmark, to rate), etc., and so it's non-trivial to add back.

There is a good chance i will port in the old code and we will get back the ability to ignore and bookmark topics like before, but i want to make sure it's done right.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on August 31, 2015, 06:05 PM
The new forum code is 100x cleaner and easier to maintain than the old codebase, which was my main motivation for the upgrade -- so I'm thrilled with the results in that respect.

Now I like the upgrade so much more ;)

And I feel 100x better about customizing stuff now.

If not already using some sort of revision control, please consider :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on August 31, 2015, 06:07 PM
Is there any way I can hide the social media buttons and the translate drop down box at the bottom of each page? I don't need them and they bother me.

I'd like that too.



May be there might be something one can do locally about this sort of thing with a GreaseMonkey-ish or add-on type of thing...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:09 PM
I'd like that too.

i knew you would.  See above, i already implemented the solution.  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on August 31, 2015, 06:11 PM
I tried the '-nosocial' thing and it seems to work, thanks.

But may be we can call it 'antisocial' or '-social' instead? ;)



On a related note, is there a way to view the content of a thread in a way such that one can see reply to a particular post appearing immediately after the post-being-replied to?  I think this is sometimes referred to as a "threaded" view (e.g. one of gmane.org's views is like this).  May be there's other ways, but with that type of view, it might be easier to follow some of the "contained" sub-discussions...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:31 PM
On a related note, is there a way to view the content of a thread in a way such that one can see reply to a particular post appearing immediately after the post-being-replied to?  I think this is sometimes referred to as a "threaded" view (e.g. one of gmane.org's views is like this).  May be there's other ways, but with that type of view, it might be easier to follow some of the "contained" sub-discussions...


there isn't.  i've given this some thought over the years -- there are pros and cons to threaded and non-threaded views on forums.

the conclusion i came to is that the threaded views are more logical and indeed easier to follow when things branch off into different sub-discussions (exactly as you say), but that there is a heavy price to be paid for facilitating that kind of workflow, in terms of having threads be focused, coherent, digestable chunks of information.  by providing a threaded view one essentially facilitates and encourages each thread to be a giant forest of sub-discussions.  the sub-discussions become parseable, but the larger whole suffers.  my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on August 31, 2015, 06:52 PM
I agree with mouser on threaded discussion. Have tried it several times, it works OK for some forums, but it brings as many (or more) problems as it resolves.

Regarding anti-spam (because I just saw another spam message, hehe), mouser I'm pretty sure I mentioned to you the two plugins I use which are highly effective. I would definitely recommend trying them before you implement anything custom because they'll save you time. Plus they're both focused on stopping spam *before* it happens, while your systems seem to more get rid of it quickly *after* it happens. So they'd be complementary in the end.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 06:56 PM
JJ, yes i will be looking into those forum mods tonight -- seems the spammers are swarming us like mosquitos!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on August 31, 2015, 08:51 PM
Concerning the translate box: harmless, yes, a distraction non the less.

For Firefox, the Remove It Permanently (http://rip.mozdev.org/) add-on seems to work toward this end.

For Chrome, I tried Page Eraser (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-eraser/ekofpchjmoalonajopdeegdappocgcmj), but didn't figure out how to get it to work across an entire site.

Just tried Stylebot (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha) with some success -- right click on element, choose 'Stylebot', choose 'Style Element', look for the 'Layout & Visibility' section, and click on the 'Hide' button.  Not ideal perhaps and may not work specific elements only, but at least it can hide the 'Translate' pop-up...

Don't know about other browsers / platforms.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on August 31, 2015, 08:54 PM
I've modified the Image button to explain better how to use the inline attachment feature, and removed the button from the Quick Reply bbc editor, since there is no way to attach files from the quick reply editor.
As has been discussed above, my intent for this button is largely to serve as help for those who don't yet know how our inline attached images work -- and therefore it is mainly about explaining to the user how to attach an image and refer to it.
As deozaan pointed out above, if you want to quickly insert an inline image you can use the new button down by the Attach Choose File buttons.  So there are solutions both for newbies and advanced users.

There is a good reason to use offsite images - gifs and animated images.  Those take up a not insignificant amount of space, at very little gain in a lot of cases.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 31, 2015, 09:24 PM
Ok, so a couple of thoughts:
...
ACTUALLY: You know i'm thinking that this option is maybe just worded poorly -- the default option may mean to send emails on all replies *AND* "Moderation only if i started topic" -- which would mean that the default IS a reasonable default setting.  That is, the default should be sending you notifications on new replies, as i understand it.

If so, it *really* is poor wording! I can't recall any/many topics that have been moderated, but I've been mildly annoyed at getting emails that replies are in threads, so I turned this off. I am watching the board enough every day if a new reply came through, those "thread aggregator" options will show me.


Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 31, 2015, 09:34 PM
Is there any way I can hide the social media buttons and the translate drop down box at the bottom of each page? I don't need them and they bother me.

If you go to the Forum Profile page of your profile, you will now see a new "Custom options:" item.  I will now use that for supporting miscelaneous advanced/custom options.  If you put -nosocial in that box, it will no longer add the social bookmarking items to your forum pages, or google analytitcs code, protecting you from any privacy concerns.  Translate box still shows because it is completely harmless.

Nice! I just did this! I was "tolerating" them but I'm so not into those services and I've been a bit dismayed at how everyone is doing stuff even more (not here) like "Log into ___ from your Facebook account".
Uh ... if you want to join a forum, you ... register, right? But the Zuckerberg Empire seems to be building Web 3.11 (or something!)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 31, 2015, 09:36 PM
Anand said:
...
2. The guest image, if temporary then ok, else I will suggest some blank face type image there.
im happy to get a replacement!

Cody!
:D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 09:45 PM
There is a good reason to use offsite images -
offsite images definitely have their place, and you can still use them on dc by manually using the [img][/img] tags, but we don't show a button for that in order to reduce use of it to a minimum and only by more advanced users.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on August 31, 2015, 10:04 PM
I've modified the Image button to explain better how to use the inline attachment feature, and removed the button from the Quick Reply bbc editor, since there is no way to attach files from the quick reply editor.
As has been discussed above, my intent for this button is largely to serve as help for those who don't yet know how our inline attached images work -- and therefore it is mainly about explaining to the user how to attach an image and refer to it.
As deozaan pointed out above, if you want to quickly insert an inline image you can use the new button down by the Attach Choose File buttons.  So there are solutions both for newbies and advanced users.

Sorry, at least for me, it's just not enough!
It took me ten minutes to create this post in the basement comparable to the older system. (And even then there could be a couple of tweaks I'm sure!)

https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=36055.msg387977#msg387977

I had to make my own sig to remind me of the syntax and even then the order of the images kept getting scrambled, or the bottom of the post, or stuff.

 :(
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on August 31, 2015, 10:44 PM
mouser when you quote a post there is no 'from:..." is it by design or?  :tellme:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on August 31, 2015, 10:45 PM
its only because i am failing to use the quote button due to bad habits -- and instead doing a manual "select -> copy -> paste".
 i'll try to do it properly from here on out and select then hit Quote button.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on August 31, 2015, 11:23 PM
Didn't mean to say you are doing it improperly, just curious with small things I notice
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 12:41 AM
I've added some initial, minor anti-spam tricks.

Let's see how we do against spammers now. And how bad the false positives are..
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 01, 2015, 01:15 AM
I tried the '-nosocial' thing and it seems to work, thanks.

But may be we can call it 'antisocial' or '-social' instead? ;)



On a related note, is there a way to view the content of a thread in a way such that one can see reply to a particular post appearing immediately after the post-being-replied to?  I think this is sometimes referred to as a "threaded" view (e.g. one of gmane.org's views is like this).  May be there's other ways, but with that type of view, it might be easier to follow some of the "contained" sub-discussions...

Now I have this in my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n5xJPaFIRM

Ok, could be worse I guess ;)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 01, 2015, 01:19 AM
Concerning the translate box: harmless, yes, a distraction non the less.

For Firefox, the Remove It Permanently (http://rip.mozdev.org/) add-on seems to work toward this end.

For Chrome, I tried Page Eraser (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-eraser/ekofpchjmoalonajopdeegdappocgcmj), but didn't figure out how to get it to work across an entire site.

Just tried Stylebot (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha) with some success -- right click on element, choose 'Stylebot', choose 'Style Element', look for the 'Layout & Visibility' section, and click on the 'Hide' button.  Not ideal perhaps and may not work specific elements only, but at least it can hide the 'Translate' pop-up...

Don't know about other browsers / platforms.

Thanks for the suggestions ewemoa!

Nevertheless, @mouser, I would prefer '-translate', if it's easy to do.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 01, 2015, 01:51 AM
In the "Info Center - Active Topics" section would it be possible to re-enable the feature where it shows "Re:" at the start of the title for posts that are replies (as opposed to brand new threads without any replies)? This made it possible to distinguish at first sight between a new post without replies, and an older discussion with new replies.

fixed -- and discovered a substantial inefficiency in the code making that list, so forum should be a little faster to load now too.
Now there is only one thing missing from the Active Topics list: (1) I can't recognize the links that I've read from the ones I haven't read; On old DC the link-color changed after visiting he link, but on DC2 the link color stays exactly the same :o This may be due to the color-scheme in the theme, I can't tell, but it is a nuisance hunting down the unread links from the Active Topics list.
Unlike mouser, I also look at this list when returning to the DC browser-tab, press refresh and see a couple of new/updated messages.
From that same workflow comes the request (of others, but I'm joining) (2) to have an Unread Replies button/link at the bottom of the forum frontpage, like old DC had :-[ it also has the list of active users, including buddies (not yet (3) highlighted like old DC had, hope that's returning too, like (4) buddy management in the profile that I couldn't find yet) and the latest new member that I try to recognize for palindrome- and other nice numbers :tellme:

So that's 4 issues/requests... 8)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 01, 2015, 02:24 AM
Concerning the translate box: harmless, yes, a distraction non the less.

For Firefox, the Remove It Permanently (http://rip.mozdev.org/) add-on seems to work toward this end.

For Chrome, I tried Page Eraser (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-eraser/ekofpchjmoalonajopdeegdappocgcmj), but didn't figure out how to get it to work across an entire site.

Just tried Stylebot (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha) with some success -- right click on element, choose 'Stylebot', choose 'Style Element', look for the 'Layout & Visibility' section, and click on the 'Hide' button.  Not ideal perhaps and may not work specific elements only, but at least it can hide the 'Translate' pop-up...

Don't know about other browsers / platforms.

Thanks for the suggestions ewemoa!

Nevertheless, @mouser, I would prefer '-translate', if it's easy to do.


I assume you use AbBlockPro (Assuming cause...well...I don't know anybody that doesn't) - if so, click the icon, click "block element" then click the translate box (and anything else you wanna hide) - they are now gone :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 01, 2015, 02:41 AM
Nevertheless, @mouser, I would prefer '-translate', if it's easy to do.
I assume you use AbBlockPro (Assuming cause...well...I don't know anybody that doesn't) - if so, click the icon, click "block element" then click the translate box (and anything else you wanna hide) - they are now gone :)
I don't. But works with uBlock Origin just as well. Thanks :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 01, 2015, 02:42 AM
Hmm...looks like the points I mentioned got lost in between. It happens in exitement.

Here is the link and hope some replies on them https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41514.msg387883#msg387883

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 02:46 AM
Hi Anand.

Indeed i missed your post initially, but then replied to it here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41514.msg387914#msg387914
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 02:47 AM
I can't recognize the links that I've read from the ones I haven't read; On old DC the link-color changed after visiting he link, but on DC2 the link color stays exactly the same  This may be due to the color-scheme in the theme, I can't tell, but it is a nuisance

ah thanks for pointing that out.
i have attempted to fix it -- let me know if i did ok.  you may have to F5 on a page to get it to load the new css file.  The color difference between visited and non-visited links is subtle, but it's there.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 01, 2015, 03:50 AM
Another more general point: the first thing I do when I visit the forum is scroll down to the very bottom to see what's latest in the "Info Center - Active Topics" section. I don't know how many other forum users do that, but if a lot or most of them, then from a usability point of view it might be better to have that section at the very top, so there is no need for all that scrolling. Just a suggestion.

You are the 2nd person who has told me that's how you read the forum. I had no idea people did this.

The first things I do on login in is look at the bottom of the home page to see the recent Active Topics

That makes 3 of us now...  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 01, 2015, 04:13 AM
Another more general point: the first thing I do when I visit the forum is scroll down to the very bottom to see what's latest in the "Info Center - Active Topics" section. I don't know how many other forum users do that, but if a lot or most of them, then from a usability point of view it might be better to have that section at the very top, so there is no need for all that scrolling. Just a suggestion.

You are the 2nd person who has told me that's how you read the forum. I had no idea people did this.

The first things I do on login in is look at the bottom of the home page to see the recent Active Topics

That makes 3 of us now...  ;)


me too.  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 04:17 AM
Ok for all you Info Center addicts: that section is good now yeah?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 04:58 AM
I can't recognize the links that I've read from the ones I haven't read; On old DC the link-color changed after visiting he link, but on DC2 the link color stays exactly the same  This may be due to the color-scheme in the theme, I can't tell, but it is a nuisance

ah thanks for pointing that out.
i have attempted to fix it -- let me know if i did ok.  you may have to F5 on a page to get it to load the new css file.  The color difference between visited and non-visited links is subtle, but it's there.

I really don't think it is, not always. So it's not clear under what circumstances it isn't. I'm on Pale Moon and not exactly what all security settings I have going on, if some of those matter etc.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 04:59 AM
Another more general point: the first thing I do when I visit the forum is scroll down to the very bottom to see what's latest in the "Info Center - Active Topics" section. I don't know how many other forum users do that, but if a lot or most of them, then from a usability point of view it might be better to have that section at the very top, so there is no need for all that scrolling. Just a suggestion.

You are the 2nd person who has told me that's how you read the forum. I had no idea people did this.

The first things I do on login in is look at the bottom of the home page to see the recent Active Topics

That makes 3 of us now...  ;)


me too.  :up:


Blame me for starting this whole wagon train!

:P
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on September 01, 2015, 06:21 AM
Another more general point: the first thing I do when I visit the forum is scroll down to the very bottom to see what's latest in the "Info Center - Active Topics" section. I don't know how many other forum users do that, but if a lot or most of them, then from a usability point of view it might be better to have that section at the very top, so there is no need for all that scrolling. Just a suggestion.

You are the 2nd person who has told me that's how you read the forum. I had no idea people did this.

The first things I do on login in is look at the bottom of the home page to see the recent Active Topics

That makes 3 of us now...  ;)


me too.  :up:


Blame me for starting this whole wagon train!


Well then pardner, allow me to also hitch my wagon up.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 01, 2015, 06:39 AM
Ok for all you Info Center addicts: that section is good now yeah?

What is this "Info Center"?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 09:19 AM
They are talking about the "Active Topics" list on the bottom of the main forum page (board index page): https://www.donationcoder.com/forum

Is it working as it should for everyone now? If not, how so?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 09:22 AM
What is this "Info Center"?

I forget if it had a different name last week, but I've called it the "thread aggregator". It's that box at the bottom of the main forum page that collects the top ten *different threads* and bumps them up to the top in the order a post hits (and pretty fast, within seconds.)

Mouser was surprised because he had his own ways of doing things and "just put it there whenever he did it way back", and had no idea how useful it was. To me it's a perfect compromise of exactly the right info density because it's *threads* and not *posts* so let's say this Forum Upgraded thread has lots of stuff going on, it only occupies one slot and for example I can see instantly that if I aka Tao posted earlier, and now it's bumped with Wraith, well, hey, go look!

But for example the Animal Threads thread hasn't done anything since 1AM so if you already looked there, you know you're up to date. And because it's *different* threads, it's kinda rare that *eleven or more* threads get hit and you "might risk missing something".

(It's also why I ignore Mouserbot in the chat, because you just park a tab there on the front page and watch something to get bumped, so I for one don't need extra lines "cluttering" my chat  flow.)

And Mouser has suggested an alternate page with even more stuff, but somehow that extra page "blows my info capacity fuse" and I can't look at it often.


Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 09:23 AM
They are talking about the "Active Topics" list on the bottom of the main forum page (board index page): https://www.donationcoder.com/forum

Is it working as it should for everyone now? If not, how so?

Well, someone was saying the links should change color if you read them, except they don't at least in my case.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 09:29 AM
The links should be changing colors as you visit them, but:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 09:57 AM
The links should be changing colors as you visit them, but:
  • The color difference is subtle.
  • You may have to hit F5 to reload the css on the page to see the changes.

I see it on IE8 but not on Pale Moon or FF Dev Edition.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 01, 2015, 10:29 AM
To me it's a perfect compromise of exactly the right info density because it's *threads* and not *posts* so let's say this Forum Upgraded thread has lots of stuff going on, it only occupies one slot and for example I can see instantly that if I aka Tao posted earlier, and now it's bumped with Wraith, well, hey, go look!

But for example the Animal Threads thread hasn't done anything since 1AM so if you already looked there, you know you're up to date. And because it's *different* threads, it's kinda rare that *eleven or more* threads get hit and you "might risk missing something".

...

And Mouser has suggested an alternate page with even more stuff, but somehow that extra page "blows my info capacity fuse" and I can't look at it often.


Very well explained. This is exactly why I like the Info Center as well.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 10:36 AM
Is it really better than the recent topics page: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=rtopics
Do you want me to create a new standalone page similar to the list on the main page, but with more entries (or larger font)?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 01, 2015, 10:58 AM
The links should be changing colors as you visit them, but:
  • The color difference is subtle.
  • You may have to hit F5 to reload the css on the page to see the changes.

I see it on IE8 but not on Pale Moon or FF Dev Edition.

dont know if it's been changed since - but it's working here in PaleMoon
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 01, 2015, 11:03 AM
And Mouser has suggested an alternate page with even more stuff, but somehow that extra page "blows my info capacity fuse" and I can't look at it often.

Is it really better than the recent topics page: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=rtopics
Do you want me to create a new standalone page similar to the list on the main page, but with more entries (or larger font)?

As Tao said above, the recent topics page ends up being a bit too much to take in in one glance. The beauty of the Info Center  is that it's small and concise, so a quick look gives an idea of the amount of activity that had taken place and whether there is anything worth checking out further.

The current layout already requires a lot less scrolling, so that's an improvement. Personally I'd just prefer the box at the very top, so landing on the main page immediately tells the visitor what's been happening, without the need to scroll or click on another page.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 11:40 AM
The links should be changing colors as you visit them, but:
  • The color difference is subtle.
  • You may have to hit F5 to reload the css on the page to see the changes.

I see it on IE8 but not on Pale Moon or FF Dev Edition.

dont know if it's been changed since - but it's working here in PaleMoon

Well, still not for me. But then it's not a big deal for me and I'm not above it being another quirk of my system. (Ask Skwire! )  But I'd think I can't be the only one it's not doing that for, maybe it's some combo of turning off history or something with the AwesomeBar or who knows what else.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 01, 2015, 11:43 AM
And Mouser has suggested an alternate page with even more stuff, but somehow that extra page "blows my info capacity fuse" and I can't look at it often.

Is it really better than the recent topics page: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=rtopics
Do you want me to create a new standalone page similar to the list on the main page, but with more entries (or larger font)?

As Tao said above, the recent topics page ends up being a bit too much to take in in one glance. The beauty of the Info Center  is that it's small and concise, so a quick look gives an idea of the amount of activity that had taken place and whether there is anything worth checking out further.

The current layout already requires a lot less scrolling, so that's an improvement. Personally I'd just prefer the box at the very top, so landing on the main page immediately tells the visitor what's been happening, without the need to scroll or click on another page.


Perhaps if the collapse could be remembered on the info center, it wouldn't matter to people that don't use it that it's there.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 01, 2015, 11:44 AM

2. The guest image, if temporary then ok, else I will suggest some blank face type image there.
im happy to get a replacement!


These and similar I use for staff / user photo place holder in my apps. See if they can change the current big smiley, as it does not indicate that it is the guest image. The images are as an idea and can be reduced or similar small image used.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]   [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]   [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Further if I press Enter after user name in Forum, then it asks for password but shows 259200 minutes to stay connected. I think it is six months converted to minutes, but looks, well...too mathematical.

BTW inserting attachment is big hurrah now  :Thmbsup:

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 01:00 PM
Personally I'd just prefer the box at the very top, so landing on the main page immediately tells the visitor what's been happening, without the need to scroll or click on another page.

go to the new custom options line in your Forum Profile area and add:
-topinfocenter
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the images Anand -- they are perfect in style -- but if i had my preference it would be nice to have one that was gender "neutral" if you know what i mean..
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 01, 2015, 01:39 PM
Personally I'd just prefer the box at the very top, so landing on the main page immediately tells the visitor what's been happening, without the need to scroll or click on another page.

go to the new custom options line in your Forum Profile area and add:
-topinfocenter

this is great capability :up:
I wonder though, what would be most interesting for a first time visitor -
a list of boards, or a list of active threads?

I like that about the InfoQube forum - even as a visitor, I can click on 'New' and see a full list of posts sorted by date. NOTE: it's not that I favour recent posts over recent threads - rather that I think maybe an overview of recent activity is of more interest to everyone, than the list of boards.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 01, 2015, 01:45 PM
I just saw something strange...

I made this post: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41535.new#new

And then when I went back to it because Tomos had replied, there was an image?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 01, 2015, 01:47 PM
See my reply on the thread -- sorry for the confusion -- I added the image so that I could blog it. I do that sometimes when I blog a post -- usually I leave a note in the "last edited by" line but i forgot this time.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 01, 2015, 02:03 PM
Personally I'd just prefer the box at the very top, so landing on the main page immediately tells the visitor what's been happening, without the need to scroll or click on another page.

go to the new custom options line in your Forum Profile area and add:
-topinfocenter

Perfect! Thanks for this  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 01, 2015, 05:04 PM
See my reply on the thread -- sorry for the confusion -- I added the image so that I could blog it. I do that sometimes when I blog a post -- usually I leave a note in the "last edited by" line but i forgot this time.  Sorry for the confusion.

Oh, it's not a problem... I was just wondering if it was a new feature:)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 01, 2015, 07:18 PM
-topinfocenter

Done!

Works for me! I actually don't even look at the lower boards much!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on September 02, 2015, 12:55 AM
Not sure if it has been reported, but I seem to be missing the indication on icons next to posts that shows I participated in them.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 02, 2015, 02:08 AM
On a side note, how hard would it be to have a user-templatable area * near the top/bottom of a given page?

* Perhaps one might be able to specify that some of the links under the "Go To" menu show up as ordinary links (e.g. so one doesn't have to perform hovering or use a bookmark).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 02, 2015, 02:42 AM
FWIW, here's a proof-of-concept Greasemonkey script for performing some additions / deletions:

// ==UserScript==
// @name        Custom DC Forum Links and Removals
// @namespace   donationcoder.com
// @include     https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/*
// @version     1
// @grant       none
// ==/UserScript==

var anchor, before, translate, share, avatar;

// link additions
// link to insert
anchor = document.createElement('a');
anchor.href = '/forum/index.php?action=unreadreplies';
anchor.appendChild(document.createTextNode('Unread replies to your posts'));
// where to insert before
before = document.getElementById('top_sectiondc');
before.parentNode.insertBefore(anchor, before);

// some things to remove
// by id
translate = document.getElementById("lang_form");
translate.parentNode.removeChild(translate);
// by class
share = document.getElementsByClassName("sharebuttons")[0];
share.parentNode.removeChild(share);
avatar = document.getElementsByClassName("avatar")[0];
avatar.parentNode.removeChild(avatar);



Not sure whether the deletion of share buttons happen soon enough for requests not to be made, so for that perhaps '-nosocial' and/or templating might be better...



Another version that among other things tweaks the default search settings:

// ==UserScript==
// @name        Custom DC Forum Links and Removals
// @namespace   donationcoder.com
// @include     https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/*
// @version     1.01
// @grant       none
// ==/UserScript==

var anchor, before, listitem, unordered,
    form, inputIndex, inputRecentFirst,
    translate, share, avatar;

// link additions
// link to insert
try {
  anchor = document.createElement('a');
  anchor.href = '/forum/index.php?action=unreadreplies';
  anchor.appendChild(document.createTextNode('Unread replies to your posts'));
  // where to insert before
  //before = document.getElementById('top_sectiondc');
  //before.parentNode.insertBefore(anchor, before);
  listitem = document.createElement('li');
  listitem.appendChild(anchor);
  unordered = document.getElementsByClassName("reset")[0];
  unordered.appendChild(listitem);
} catch (err) {
  console.log("Hmm, problem adding link");
}
try {
  // search index
  form = document.getElementById("search_form");
  inputIndex = document.createElement('input');
  inputIndex.setAttribute("name", "dc_noindex");
  inputIndex.setAttribute("id", "dc_noindex");
  inputIndex.setAttribute("value", "1");
  inputIndex.setAttribute("type", "hidden");
  form.appendChild(inputIndex);
  // most recent first
  inputRecentFirst = document.createElement('input');
  inputRecentFirst.setAttribute("name", "sort");
  inputRecentFirst.setAttribute("id", "sort");
  inputRecentFirst.setAttribute("value", "id_msg|desc");
  inputRecentFirst.setAttribute("type", "hidden");
  form.appendChild(inputRecentFirst);
} catch (err) {
  console.log("Hmm, problem modifying search form");
}

// some things to remove
try {
  // by id
  translate = document.getElementById("lang_form");
  translate.parentNode.removeChild(translate);
} catch (err) {
  console.log("Hmm, problem handling translate pop-up");
}
// by class
try {
  share = document.getElementsByClassName("sharebuttons")[0];
  share.parentNode.removeChild(share);
} catch (err) {
  console.log("Hmm, problem handling share buttons");
}
/*
try {
  avatar = document.getElementsByClassName("avatar")[0];
  avatar.parentNode.removeChild(avatar);
} catch (err) {
  console.log("Hmm, problem handling avatar image");
}
*/
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 02, 2015, 06:24 AM
(1) I can't recognize the links that I've read from the ones I haven't read; On old DC the link-color changed after visiting he link, but on DC2 the link color stays exactly the same :o This may be due to the color-scheme in the theme, I can't tell, but it is a nuisance hunting down the unread links from the Active Topics list.
This issue seems to have been tweaked out, thanks! :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 02, 2015, 07:14 AM
I've modified the Image button to explain better how to use the inline attachment feature, and removed the button from the Quick Reply bbc editor, since there is no way to attach files from the quick reply editor.
As has been discussed above, my intent for this button is largely to serve as help for those who don't yet know how our inline attached images work -- and therefore it is mainly about explaining to the user how to attach an image and refer to it.
As deozaan pointed out above, if you want to quickly insert an inline image you can use the new button down by the Attach Choose File buttons.  So there are solutions both for newbies and advanced users.

the popup uses a very small font size...


Re the image tags:

1) See this post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=38370.msg388124#msg388124) -
I used [attach=1] and [attach=2], yet one is shown as a thumb, and one full size.
QUERY:
Is there a size limit for full size images or is something else going on there?

2) [attach=#] where an actual number is not used - does not work inline (not sure if supposed to - just saying in case)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 08:29 AM
2) [attach=#] where an actual number is not used - does not work inline (not sure if supposed to - just saying in case)
ouch you're right ! not sure when i broke that.. working on it...

should be fixed now.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 08:34 AM
I used [attach=1] and [attach=2], yet one is shown as a thumb, and one full size.
ah thanks for reminding me -- i need to update the help.
the way it works now is:
attach <-- automatically shows as thumbnail if the image is very large (1900x1200)
attachimg <-- always full size no matter size
attachthumb <-- always thumbnail no matter size
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 08:44 AM
On a side note, how hard would it be to have a user-templatable area * near the top/bottom of a given page?

can you elaborate on what you had in mind for me to add?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 02, 2015, 08:58 AM
attach <-- automatically shows as thumbnail if the image is very large (1900x1200)
attachimg <-- always full size no matter size
attachthumb <-- always thumbnail no matter size
thanks for the attach image info  :up:
FWIW,
the image it refused to show full in my post was just 850 width - but it was just over 1200 pixels high.

attachimg <-- always full size no matter size
-
not sure if that's a helpful one in these days of high resolutions - but proceed as you think ;-)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 09:04 AM
Not sure if it has been reported, but I seem to be missing the indication on icons next to posts that shows I participated in them.

i think i removed these in my effort to streamline and reduce noise..  any thoughts on a good way to bring them back -- assuming folks find them important (i didn't).

i should say there is a nice new page under the Go To menu for showing topics you started or topics you participated in, which i do think is useful.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on September 02, 2015, 09:58 AM
Not sure if it has been reported, but I seem to be missing the indication on icons next to posts that shows I participated in them.

i think i removed these in my effort to streamline and reduce noise..  any thoughts on a good way to bring them back -- assuming folks find them important (i didn't).

I used them when viewing the list of unread posts since my last visit, it highlights the threads I want to make sure I check.

Perhaps a little icon overlay on the thread icon on the left, like a little "reply arrow". If there is only one icon with no indicators for anything, what is the point of the icon anyway?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 10:00 AM
If there is only one icon with no indicators for anything, what is the point of the icon anyway?
the icon is matching the post icon -- which is USUALLY just the simple white one but can be different in some cases.

Perhaps a little icon overlay on the thread icon on the left, like a little "reply arrow"
ok let me look into it.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 02, 2015, 10:09 AM
Thanks for the images Anand -- they are perfect in style -- but if i had my preference it would be nice to have one that was gender "neutral" if you know what i mean..

Well these looks "neutral".

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]   [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]   [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Or both, if preferred.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Now it is your take and obviously if other members agree too.

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 10:23 AM
Perhaps a little icon overlay on the thread icon on the left, like a little "reply arrow". If there is only one icon with no indicators for anything, what is the point of the icon anyway?

I've added a second icon to the Unread posts page -- i may try to find a more subtle indicator, but let's try this.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 02, 2015, 10:31 AM
On a side note, how hard would it be to have a user-templatable area * near the top/bottom of a given page?

can you elaborate on what you had in mind for me to add?

I think that the way that you're doing it, i.e. coding the customizations and then making a label available, would be better than giving the users the ability to add code to the page.  Spammer and Security nightmare, IMO.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 10:35 AM
I think that the way that you're doing it, i.e. coding the customizations and then making a label available, would be better than giving the users the ability to add code to the page.  Spammer and Security nightmare, IMO.

well one way it could be done very easily and safely is this:
i could add a profile field to each users profile, where they could write custom BBC code (which would include the ability to use url links),
and then the forum would display that text at the top (bottom) of the forum pages FOR THAT USER ONLY.

so basically a way of letting users add their own custom links/text. near the built-in forum menu -- that would affect them only.

of course this is really not any different than users using their own greasemonkey scripts, just a bit easier -- but much less flexible.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 10:43 AM
You may have notice that i've tweaked the css to make visited links darker than non-visited links -- it was initially the opposite.  I think this makes more logical sense.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 12:32 PM
What do people think of the default option to show a popup messagebox when you receive a new personal message on the forum?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 02, 2015, 12:40 PM
What do people think of the default option to show a popup messagebox when you receive a new personal message on the forum?
I'd like to turn it off, but it didn't happen often enough yet to dive into my profile setting to find that setting :-[
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 12:43 PM
There is a setting for it somewhere -- i'm just thinking i should probably disable it by default.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 02, 2015, 01:00 PM
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=pmprefs;u=193899

Seems enabled by default
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 01:04 PM
Yes i've enabled it by default.  Question is whether i should disable by default.

I thought about it some more and maybe its best to enable by default.  People who rarely get messages will not miss the rare message, and people who frequently get messages will be advanced enough to change the option.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mahesh2k on September 02, 2015, 01:43 PM
Forum loads quickly for me. And except the white theme, I think I like the new change. Not sure about the quirks for now.

Good to see things changing here.

 :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 02, 2015, 01:50 PM
the list of active users, including buddies (not yet (3) highlighted like old DC had, hope that's returning too,
This is probably another css setting to tweak? Buddies aren't recognizable from the logged-in users-list at the bottom of the forum front-page

like (4) buddy management in the profile that I couldn't find yet)
Found it 8), it's pretty hard to find using a tablet (no mouse-hover fly-out menu's)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on September 02, 2015, 02:32 PM
Perhaps a little icon overlay on the thread icon on the left, like a little "reply arrow"
ok let me look into it.

I was thinking about something like [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] vs [ You are not allowed to view attachments ].
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 02:58 PM
yep that looks nice, i could go back to the single-icon view and use those when user has posted in a topic -- that would be cleaner and more minimal than having 2 columns of icons. anyone else prefer i keep the 2 icon column that indicates popularity, polls, etc.?
The page in question is here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=unread;all
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 06:14 PM
I've tweaked the search function a little bit -- I think i fixed a bug where it was returning less results than it should.  And I also added an option to bypass the search index on the advanced search form -- this will result in a slower and more thorough search for partial word matches, and is able to search for words less than 4 characters.  Normal indexed searching is appropriate for most searches, but you now have an option if you can't find something with a default search.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 02, 2015, 06:27 PM
What do people think of the default option to show a popup messagebox when you receive a new personal message on the forum?

Prefer not, but as long as it can be turned off, doesn't bother :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 02, 2015, 07:01 PM
well one way it could be done very easily and safely is this:
i could add a profile field to each users profile, where they could write custom BBC code (which would include the ability to use url links),
and then the forum would display that text at the top (bottom) of the forum pages FOR THAT USER ONLY.

so basically a way of letting users add their own custom links/text. near the built-in forum menu -- that would affect them only.

Yes, this is the sort of thing I had in mind -- but may be it's premature.  Was curious about the difficulty of implementing such a thing and what the computational costs might end up being.  Of course, this is all very vague :)

of course this is really not any different than users using their own greasemonkey scripts, just a bit easier -- but much less flexible.

It seems possible that for the share buttons (some are iframes?) by the time Greasemonkey gets to remove the related nodes, it may be "too late" in the sense that one's info might have leaked to certain sites.  Not certain -- may be someone else knows better?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 02, 2015, 07:19 PM
by the time Greasemonkey gets to remove the related nodes, it may be "too late" in the sense that one's info might have leaked to certain sites. 

well that could certainly be true for the social media buttons and google analytics code -- that's why i added an option for that.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 02, 2015, 07:53 PM
Appreciate it -- thanks :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 02, 2015, 08:07 PM
BTW, noticed in the console of a browser the following when viewing DC Forums:

This site makes use of a SHA-1 Certificate; it's recommended you use certificates with signature algorithms that use hash functions stronger than SHA-1.

Any opinions on this?  Looking at DC's certificate, I think I also see SHA-256 so may be it's not a problem.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 02, 2015, 09:07 PM

Ps, with the info board up top right next to "Forum Home", it's def saving me a lot of scrolling!

:Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 03, 2015, 01:07 AM
Ps, with the info board up top right next to "Forum Home", it's def saving me a lot of scrolling!

what do you mean by 'info board'? --
I presume it's not what mouser calls the 'info-center' -- the active threads etc, but cant figure out what it might be...

EDIT// I presume you mean the boards - were they much further down in the past?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 03, 2015, 01:32 AM
I've tweaked the search function a little bit -- I think i fixed a bug where it was returning less results than it should.  And I also added an option to bypass the search index on the advanced search form -- this will result in a slower and more thorough search for partial word matches, and is able to search for words less than 4 characters.  Normal indexed searching is appropriate for most searches, but you now have an option if you can't find something with a default search.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 03, 2015, 05:24 AM
Ps, with the info board up top right next to "Forum Home", it's def saving me a lot of scrolling!

what do you mean by 'info board'? --
I presume it's not what mouser calls the 'info-center' -- the active threads etc, but cant figure out what it might be...

EDIT// I presume you mean the boards - were they much further down in the past?


Maybe he meant the "Info Center":

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

This is a great feature, maybe it should be explained someplace prominent, so less frequent or new members also realise that it is possible to move the Info Center to the top by going to: Profile > Forum Profile > and adding "-topinfocenter" in the Custom options box:

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 03, 2015, 06:32 AM

Yes Dr. Andus,
Ps, with the info board up top right next to "Forum Home", it's def saving me a lot of scrolling!

what do you mean by 'info board'? --
I presume it's not what mouser calls the 'info-center' -- the active threads etc, but cant figure out what it might be...

EDIT// I presume you mean the boards - were they much further down in the past?


Maybe he meant the "Info Center":

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

This is a great feature, maybe it should be explained someplace prominent, so less frequent or new members also realise that it is possible to move the Info Center to the top by going to: Profile > Forum Profile > and adding "-topinfocenter" in the Custom options box:

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]


Yes, you nailed it Dr Andus, that's exactly what I meant - I missed the right word for it. (But I really thought it had a different name in the old version!)

And yes, it's not at all obvious to newcomers that a custom line in their profile can move it!

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 03, 2015, 07:34 AM
^ Ah okay - you had moved the info-center - I thought you were talking about the default setting.

I still wonder if the info-center / active-thread should be on top in the default setting (I guess it would have to be separated from the other info, but dont know really - must try it at the top myself, see how I like it).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 03, 2015, 07:50 AM
please delete - I keep clicking 'quote' instead of 'modify' :-[
(were they in opposite location in the old forum?)

Not sure, but I've had a similar problem.  I've just been fortunate to catch mine before posting.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on September 03, 2015, 07:55 AM
This is a great feature, maybe it should be explained someplace prominent, so less frequent or new members also realise that it is possible to move the Info Center to the top by going to: Profile > Forum Profile > and adding "-topinfocenter" in the Custom options box:

Personally, I think the Custom Options section should be moved under Look and Layout since that's what those options are affecting.

It was the first place I looked for them instead of reading where they could actually be found ... yeah, I know, I was being too logical :-[
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 08:24 AM
Personally, I think the Custom Options section should be moved under Look and Layout since that's what those options are affecting.

good idea, will do.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 08:27 AM
Any opinions on this?  Looking at DC's certificate, I think I also see SHA-256 so may be it's not a problem.

We are currently working to convert all of the website pages to a cms system, and then the plan is to move to a new server -- where we will make sure to upgrade the ssl certificates, etc.
Since that will all hopefully happen in the next couple of months, I think we are ok with what we have until then.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 03, 2015, 10:04 AM
Any opinions on this?  Looking at DC's certificate, I think I also see SHA-256 so may be it's not a problem.
Nope: (not SHA-256) so, Yes, it's a minor problem for Chrome and Firefox(based) browsers.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

You may be looking at an Avast (or other antivirus product) inserted certificate :o
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 10:11 AM
You may be looking at an Avast (or other antivirus product) inserted certificate :o
Ath, can you explain, i don't get it.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on September 03, 2015, 10:58 AM
Some AV programs insert their own certificate in your browser and man-in-the-middle your HTTPS connections in order to be able to scan/filter them.

The ones I've seen are usually not using the best encryption, probably because they only serve to re-encrypt the traffic locally for your browser.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 03, 2015, 12:20 PM
^ Ah okay - you had moved the info-center - I thought you were talking about the default setting.

I still wonder if the info-center / active-thread should be on top in the default setting (I guess it would have to be separated from the other info, but dont know really - must try it at the top myself, see how I like it).

Try it Tom, because at whatever level of fanciness you work on, "nothing else matters". The scripts behind it are Turbo Fast at collecting posts, and if you look at time stamps (in the same area) you know that if you check it 4x a day you're mostly caught up. At worst, if you *know* there's a thread missing like my Ludum Dare adventures, you turn to one of the bigger pages and find it. But it really is damn close to a Golden Mean to keep reg DC folks updated.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 03, 2015, 12:29 PM
Not sure if it has been reported, but I seem to be missing the indication on icons next to posts that shows I participated in them.

i think i removed these in my effort to streamline and reduce noise..  any thoughts on a good way to bring them back -- assuming folks find them important (i didn't).

i should say there is a nice new page under the Go To menu for showing topics you started or topics you participated in, which i do think is useful.

I'll try this perspective.

There's a "quick post" - someone bangs off an easy note.
But if they hit "Preview" (or hits Post and Modify! I'm *terrible* for that!!*) , it brings up bigger ranges of things ... so go full suite. No shortcuts. Images are kinda a thing here. I for one am so not a fan of Google's "let's strip out a third of your options and make the rest into a gear icon".

So if we get as far as "Preview" or "Post/Modify", then give us a full powered image insertion engine with everything anyone could want in three ways. It's a Penny Wise - Pound Foolish problem. You spent YEARS planning out how to deal with tour growing maze code. So don't go all "slim streamlined because Google made no one want a waist size bigger than 28" approach.

We're DC. You're Mouser, the Minor Deity. You just got the biggest fundraiser in DC history. (Or close). So let's not get too fancy with "you should know how to do X". That's what sinks a lot of small projects. DC is just about to get a notch bigger somehow. So put it in. I posted an example earlier. I couldn't duplicate the ease of the old system with less than 10 min of hard sharp work with keywords.

We like Images (in our own form of moderation). Arizona Hot posts very little else. I've thundered across the web that our Basement is like very little anywhere else on the web and fixes like 30 mod problems. So let's do another one. Put in a full scale Image insertion engine. I was happy with the drop down. But you noticed I had to change my sig and even then it didn't work right.

((Post and Mod. See? I just did it. Because I have been burned WAY too many times working on a post and diff servers have diff time out periods and then your browser crashes and loses it all! Better post part of a comment and tweak it, than wreck your time!)

This Paren is for xkcd fans
)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 03, 2015, 02:51 PM
^ Ah okay - you had moved the info-center - I thought you were talking about the default setting.

I still wonder if the info-center / active-thread should be on top in the default setting (I guess it would have to be separated from the other info, but dont know really - must try it at the top myself, see how I like it).
Try it Tom, because at whatever level of fanciness you work on, "nothing else matters". The scripts behind it are Turbo Fast at collecting posts, and if you look at time stamps (in the same area) you know that if you check it 4x a day you're mostly caught up. At worst, if you *know* there's a thread missing like my Ludum Dare adventures, you turn to one of the bigger pages and find it. But it really is damn close to a Golden Mean to keep reg DC folks updated.

Or just use Unread: All and always *know* you're up to date... right? I'm confused why people like the other approach frankly. It seems haphazard. But I've certainly come to realize that my consistent use of Unread: All pages is not really the norm, so maybe I'm the weirdo. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 03, 2015, 02:52 PM
You may be looking at an Avast (or other antivirus product) inserted certificate :o
Ath, can you explain, i don't get it.
Some AV programs insert their own certificate in your browser and man-in-the-middle your HTTPS connections in order to be able to scan/filter them.

The ones I've seen are usually not using the best encryption, probably because they only serve to re-encrypt the traffic locally for your browser.
^This.

After the forum-upgrade there where https-issues, then I looked at what FF reported on the certificate, and I saw both SHA-1 and SHA-256 encryption listed. After the https-issues where resolved I didn't check anymore, but now I only see SHA-1 encryption listed, even with Avast https checking enabled :huh: Must have been related to the https-issues then.
The Avast mitm fake-CA reports SHA-256 encryption for itself, though.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 03, 2015, 02:54 PM
Separating posting my feature/fix request: I am very happy to see images popping up in lightboxes now (though I have yet to see whether images posted "full size" still can cause huge scroll bars in posts, a separate problem that I think needs its own solution). However I think the pop-up should be closeable by simply clicking on the background/outside of the lightbox, as is true in most other lightbox implementations. It increases usability and speed/ease of use quite a lot.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on September 03, 2015, 03:24 PM
Perhaps not an "issue" with the technical revamping of the forum.  But it may be a good time to comment on something that has struck me.  When looking through New items/posts sometimes I notice something about NANY 2014 or even NANY 2013 in a big headline.  It just seems like it may give a newb the impression that stuff has not been updated for some time.

Like if I go to a programmer's page and see the latest updates for utilities are 2010 then I figure there will not be any more updates.  I wonder if anyone casually perusing for the first time sees the date and just leaves figuring it is old news?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 06:48 PM
However I think the pop-up should be closeable by simply clicking on the background/outside of the lightbox, as is true in most other lightbox implementations. It increases usability and speed/ease of use quite a lot.

should be working now.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 03, 2015, 06:48 PM
Thanks Ath.

You may be looking at an Avast (or other antivirus product) inserted certificate :o

In the local FF installation, Tools -> Page Info -> View Certificates brings up a dialog box with two tabs with titles "General" and "Details".  The image you posted looks like it's from (or very similar to) the content of the Details tab.  I was looking at the General tab.

The bottom-most section of the General tab is titled "Fingerprints" and it lists SHA-256 and SHA-1.  May be one or both of those values are computed by the browser and not "extracted" / "obtained" from the ceritifcate?

At any rate, as you pointed out, it seems the certificate only mentions SHA-1, so may be that's not so great in the medium to longer term.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 03, 2015, 07:01 PM
And I also added an option to bypass the search index on the advanced search form -- this will result in a slower and more thorough search for partial word matches, and is able to search for words less than 4 characters.

Thanks for the option :)

Is it easy to make a link (perhaps an additional one) to the advanced search page have the bypassing index option selected by default?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 07:07 PM
Is it easy to make a link (perhaps an additional one) to the advanced search page have the bypassing index option selected by default?

It is now.  Just add a bookmark to:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=search;advanced;dc_noindex=1
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 03, 2015, 07:14 PM
Clicking on that link worked -- thanks :)

Now, what do you think about making a link next to "Click here to search using the Advanced Search form" and have it such that the bypassing is enabled?

Some consequences might include: additional people might try the option and additional people might realize they are trying the option.  I confess to thinking erroneously that clicking on the existing link would enable the option and didn't look to verify.  Shame on me!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 07:18 PM
hmm you have a point there -- the text before that link does make one think it will be enabled by default.. let me cogitate on it.

your idea was a good one; implemented.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 03, 2015, 07:29 PM
I see that following the link has the option checked by default now - thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 03, 2015, 08:06 PM
Such speedy updates here, I love it! :)

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 03, 2015, 08:17 PM
It's a huge amount of fun to get such good feedback while working on it.  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on September 03, 2015, 09:03 PM
Personally, I think the Custom Options section should be moved under Look and Layout since that's what those options are affecting.

good idea, will do.

Thanks mouser.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 03, 2015, 10:14 PM
^ Ah okay - you had moved the info-center - I thought you were talking about the default setting.

I still wonder if the info-center / active-thread should be on top in the default setting (I guess it would have to be separated from the other info, but dont know really - must try it at the top myself, see how I like it).
Try it Tom, because at whatever level of fanciness you work on, "nothing else matters". The scripts behind it are Turbo Fast at collecting posts, and if you look at time stamps (in the same area) you know that if you check it 4x a day you're mostly caught up. At worst, if you *know* there's a thread missing like my Ludum Dare adventures, you turn to one of the bigger pages and find it. But it really is damn close to a Golden Mean to keep reg DC folks updated.

Or just use Unread: All and always *know* you're up to date... right? I'm confused why people like the other approach frankly. It seems haphazard. But I've certainly come to realize that my consistent use of Unread: All pages is not really the norm, so maybe I'm the weirdo. :D

- Oshyan

Maybe not the norm, but it is the approach that I use also. :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 04, 2015, 01:47 AM
^ Ah okay - you had moved the info-center - I thought you were talking about the default setting.

I still wonder if the info-center / active-thread should be on top in the default setting (I guess it would have to be separated from the other info, but dont know really - must try it at the top myself, see how I like it).
Try it Tom, because at whatever level of fanciness you work on, "nothing else matters". The scripts behind it are Turbo Fast at collecting posts, and if you look at time stamps (in the same area) you know that if you check it 4x a day you're mostly caught up. At worst, if you *know* there's a thread missing like my Ludum Dare adventures, you turn to one of the bigger pages and find it. But it really is damn close to a Golden Mean to keep reg DC folks updated.

Or just use Unread: All and always *know* you're up to date... right? I'm confused why people like the other approach frankly. It seems haphazard. But I've certainly come to realize that my consistent use of Unread: All pages is not really the norm, so maybe I'm the weirdo. :D

- Oshyan

Maybe not the norm, but it is the approach that I use also. :)

Yes, me as well.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 04, 2015, 02:21 AM
I am happy with new DC now and posting more messages then DC1 time. May be this new layout and colors attract me more. :)

I am using the "Print" option to read threads now. I have not-so-good net connection and sometimes get to check DC after 2/3 days. So the "print" option gives me all in a long scrollable message view to search and read.

Now the problem is, if I want to quote a message and reply, I again have to go back to normal per page view of messages and search in each page for that message to view and quote.

I hope I could explain above, I myself feel it became complex sentences.

Anyway, my suggestion is if we can give an option like "-allmessagesinonepage" in custom options, and show all the messages in a thread in one long page, without page breaks, it will solve the problem.

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 04, 2015, 12:33 PM
For the unread topics list I haved switch from using 2 icons in front of each message to using Jibz icon to indicate when you have participated in a topic; it is also now used on the main message list for a board.
Keep in mind the new indicator that shows you have participated in a topic is only shown when the icon for the topic is standard.  Special topic icons will now show such an indicator.

Here's how it looks now:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I think that's ok since we rarely use topic icons other than the default one (in fact normal users are not given the choice of changing the topic icon when they post) -- that's to keep down the visual noise.  I sometimes use a special icon on newsletters and other official announcements.

If we really wanted to show an indicator regardless of the topic icon, we could probably do it by changing to some css that makes use of a small overlay.  Jibz maybe you can make me a tiny transparent image with just your overlay? Or we could use a different overlay image if people think they can improve on the one jibz chose.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: crabby3 on September 05, 2015, 09:01 AM
 ...picture is worth 1k words

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Curt on September 05, 2015, 04:14 PM
will we again have a button, making colourful posts?


Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 05, 2015, 09:36 PM
will we again have a button, making colourful posts?




I hope not :)

A bug I've found... when you quoted on the old site a post that had images, it would put in the post see prior post for images (paraphrased, I don't remember the verbiage) with a link to the post.  Now it just says [Invalid Attachment].
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 06, 2015, 01:35 AM
For the unread topics list I haved switch from using 2 icons in front of each message to using Jibz icon to indicate when you have participated in a topic; it is also now used on the main message list for a board.
Keep in mind the new indicator that shows you have participated in a topic is only shown when the icon for the topic is standard.  Special topic icons will now show such an indicator.

Here's how it looks now:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I think that's ok since we rarely use topic icons other than the default one (in fact normal users are not given the choice of changing the topic icon when they post) -- that's to keep down the visual noise.  I sometimes use a special icon on newsletters and other official announcements.

If we really wanted to show an indicator regardless of the topic icon, we could probably do it by changing to some css that makes use of a small overlay.  Jibz maybe you can make me a tiny transparent image with just your overlay? Or we could use a different overlay image if people think they can improve on the one jibz chose.


To expand on that bug...I tried quoting and attaching a file...just to see what happened (I will edit if it did something odd)

//EDIT - Heh, so yeah...it takes YOUR attachment, and just plops it in there...that could be problematic if you are quoting a post with an image, and replying with an image :P
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 09:43 AM
Ok i'll look into it.. the attachment mod we are using now is not the code i originally wrote for the old version of the forum.  Now we are using a version of this  (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3770) mod that i have been tweaking for our needs.  The author of that mod did a wonderful job with it and added a lot of nice features.  He even added the ability to refer to attachments from other messages in quotes, but there are some subtleties and im going to have to go back and look at tweaking it.

My memory is that when i was making changes to the code, i decided that we should basically not try to use the feature that tried to grab images from quoted posts -- though i can't remember exactly why (i think i just concluded that it wouldn't work reliably and would lead to more confusion), but what i clearly need to do if we do disable that feature, is make sure that quoted text does not have its images replaced and instead gets text like the old forum saying [see attachment in quoted message].
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 11:07 AM
Ok let's see how quoted attachments work now (i notice the post above works properly now).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 06, 2015, 11:12 AM
Yep, it changed mine by itself so things seem to be back on track with that xD
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 11:13 AM
will we again have a button, making colourful posts?

the basic approach i have taken is to keep some bbc code functionality available, while making it a little less inviting.

So the color tag is still available to use, but there is no dedicated button for it.  I think there used to be large dropdowns for color and font size, which took up a lot of space.

Instead, there is one button that combines font size and color change:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ].

Clicking this will insert both a font size and font color tag like so:
[size=12pt][color=red] [/color][/size]

So, if you want some custom font you can use that button and then edit the details.



My thinking was that this had two advantages:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 11:25 AM
Having said that, we do now have some spare room for new buttons, and I am happy to add more bbc code buttons that people think might be important.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 06, 2015, 12:42 PM
Some of us enjoy colours!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 06, 2015, 12:45 PM
No, dear god, please no.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 06, 2015, 12:56 PM
No, dear god, please no.

- Oshyan

Lol, I just like to bug mouser :P
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 06, 2015, 01:00 PM
Well, I think the set of bbc-buttons is quite on-par with the purpose of the (quick)reply forms.

I'd be more interested in getting the buddy-list visible in the current user list at the forum-frontpage by them having a different color (or colour for the UK based members) like old dc had :huh:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 01:06 PM
I'd be more interested in getting the buddy-list visible in the current user list at the forum-frontpage by them having a different color (or colour for the UK based members) like old dc had

Can you elaborate on that -- remind me what it used to look like.  seems like a trivial fix once i know what i'm looking for.

To clarify, it looks to me from looking at the html of the page, the members in the member list i think you are talking about, are being colored/styled differently based on whether they are buddies, admins, etc.
But it may just be that the differentiations are subtle (bolding, etc.).

So first step is for you to tell me if indeed they are being styled different just not clearly enough, or is there some other problem that we are looking at different things, etc.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 06, 2015, 01:23 PM
The only difference I currently see is for the members that I clicked on their name to view their profile. Admins used to be red (saw that when you had un-hidden your status for a short while) and buddies used to be boldface, and possibly dark-blue, but it was quite different from both 'visited link' and 'un-visited link'. Now buddies aren't recognizable at all.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 01:27 PM
Now buddies aren't recognizable at all.

can you just confirm to me that we are talking about the same list? maybe a screenshot, or if you view source, do you see that indeed your buddies are being shown differently with <strong> or <em> and its just hard to see the differences?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 06, 2015, 02:08 PM
Having said that, we do now have some spare room for new buttons, and I am happy to add more bbc code buttons that people think might be important.

I'l go all sideways and say "watch out for the FireFox-Chome wars".

I have *zero* interest in whether it's a Mozilla Gecko or Google Blink engine. I am a Software UI guy. Give me the existing program and I can probably find a few new things to do with it.

But I *abhor* this whole "reduce noise" approach that then leads you to a single gear icon and ... oh look! they removed 77% of the features along the way! But look! It's a Gear Icon! It's so simple! Who can argue simple?!

Uh ...

So y'all in the chat room have seen my haphazard experiments with FF clones. And believe me, that big new announcement "all add-ons will drop Mozilla API and have to be (our competitor) compatible in X time frame" ... is DEF a big game of poker!

Title: ~Gri to Mouser~
Post by: gri on September 06, 2015, 02:29 PM
Please organize your forum members on a campaign
for unlimited own posts editing time on simplemachines forum -

otherwise Humans do experience the predicaments
          in requesting the mods development,

including the Ignore User Button mod
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?msg=2407112

in part of adding of the option
to Ignore the posts of not ignored members
          with the quotes of the ignored members' posts
          and/or just with quotes
          with global grivitoutiks in short format.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 06, 2015, 02:30 PM
No, dear god, please no.

- Oshyan

This.  So much this.

Also, a minor annoyance, when you select and quote, it puts a space at the beginning of your message after the quote.  So OCD me has to go back to the beginning of the message that I reflexively type and remove that space.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 06, 2015, 02:33 PM
it puts a space at the beginning of your message after the quote.
can you elaborate? im not sure what i should be looking for to fix.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 06, 2015, 02:44 PM
it puts a space at the beginning of your message after the quote.
can you elaborate? im not sure what i should be looking for to fix.

Not sure. No spaces here. But I don't count.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 06, 2015, 02:59 PM
Please organize your forum members on a campaign
for unlimited own posts editing time on simplemachines forum -

otherwise Humans do experience the predicaments
          in requesting the mods development,

including the Ignore User Button mod
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?msg=2407112

in part of adding of the option
to Ignore the posts of not ignored members
          with the quotes of the ignored members' posts
          and/or just with quotes
          with global grivitoutiks in short format.


for unlimited own posts editing time on simplemachines forum : (See image below...)
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

including the Ignore User Button mod :  Been suggested, but has been decided as a resounding NO multiple times

otherwise Humans do experience the predicaments
          in requesting the mods development,
  :  Wut?

with global grivitoutiks in short format. : You can't just make up words and expect people to even remotely take you seriously or understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 06, 2015, 03:08 PM
Re quoting:
previously the quote would be placed where the cursor was in the reply box.
Now it always goes to the end of whatever text is in the reply box.

I can see advantages to both methods, so just pointing it out in case it hasn't been considered
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 06, 2015, 03:41 PM
it puts a space at the beginning of your message after the quote.
can you elaborate? im not sure what i should be looking for to fix.

I can't make it happen now, though it happened just prior to this.  I'll keep an eye on it.  Like I said, it was just an annoyance.  But under certain conditions (not sure what they are), there's an extraneous space when I start typing a reply.

/me shrugs
Title: ~Gri to Stephen66515~
Post by: gri on September 06, 2015, 05:10 PM
Do similar screenshot from simplemachines.org please :
Anybody have any clues what this could be?
-Stephen66515 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?msg=3787015)
.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 06, 2015, 06:06 PM
Do similar screenshot from simplemachines.org please :
Anybody have any clues what this could be?
-Stephen66515 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?msg=3787015)
.

Thank you.



Erm...We have NOTHING to do with that website...how could we possibly control what they install on their own forum?  That's like you asking us to publish a story on bbc.com...it doesn't belong to us...I am assuming this is what you mean...but unless you decide to speak to me in something resembling English, I am afraid I don't have the time, nor patience to try figure it out anymore.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 06, 2015, 09:57 PM
Do similar screenshot from simplemachines.org please :
Anybody have any clues what this could be?
-Stephen66515 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?msg=3787015)
.

Thank you.



Erm...We have NOTHING to do with that website...how could we possibly control what they install on their own forum?  That's like you asking us to publish a story on bbc.com...it doesn't belong to us...I am assuming this is what you mean...but unless you decide to speak to me in something resembling English, I am afraid I don't have the time, nor patience to try figure it out anymore.


Stephen.  Let it go.  Seriously.  I've been down this path, and it's frustrating and leads nowhere.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 07, 2015, 02:04 AM
can you just confirm to me that we are talking about the same list? maybe a screenshot,

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here :-[
(Screenshot taken from Pale Moon)
Title: ~Gri to Wraith808~
Post by: gri on September 07, 2015, 02:29 AM
I've been down this path, and it's frustrating and leads nowhere.
-wraith808 (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?msg=388505)

To nowhere - the grivitiniks in default smf format are leading,
in quotes' headers after moving the original posts to other topics
                         in result of splitting or merging -
without a Freedom of Moving Thoughts embedded feature.

That is what a Frustration for Space Humans,
modifying the quotes code manually over the planet
during years of slow Evolution.. or Degradation.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 07, 2015, 02:32 AM
Do similar screenshot from simplemachines.org please :
Anybody have any clues what this could be?
-Stephen66515 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?msg=3787015)
.

Thank you.



Erm...We have NOTHING to do with that website...how could we possibly control what they install on their own forum?  That's like you asking us to publish a story on bbc.com...it doesn't belong to us...I am assuming this is what you mean...but unless you decide to speak to me in something resembling English, I am afraid I don't have the time, nor patience to try figure it out anymore.


Stephen.  Let it go.  Seriously.  I've been down this path, and it's frustrating and leads nowhere.


I have haha, Completely gave up when I realized I was fighting a losing argument whatever that was lol  ;D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2015, 05:32 AM
I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here

i must admit, i don't see any difference, though in my browser there is one.  The current forum code uses inline html <strong> to indicate buddies; let me change it to use css and lets see if that fixes it.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: crabby3 on September 07, 2015, 05:51 AM
...picture is worth 1k words

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Maybe a 1000 words would be better?

All I know is that this orange-apple image, enlarging underneath the YouTube screen, is the first time it has happened (to me).

But I can't recall ever enlarging an image attached directly below a YouTube screen before... so...  :-[
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 07, 2015, 06:13 AM
I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here

i must admit, i don't see any difference, though in my browser there is one.  The current forum code uses inline html <strong> to indicate buddies; let me change it to use css and lets see if that fixes it.
I checked page-source in Pale Moon, and even though 1 of my buddies is on-line, one of the <a> tags has an attribute <strong>, but it's not visibly different from the other items :-\

Then I fired up Chrome, and checked the source, (in the meantime a second buddy came on-line) to see this <strong><a href="https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=987654321" style="color: #0000FF;">user</a></strong> (userid and name hidden to protect the innocent) for the first buddy-user next to my name, giving it a blue color (strong isn't really recognizable), and this: <strong><a href="https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=987654322">user2</a></strong> for another user, making it totally not distinguishable from other users in the list :o

This looks like a bug(gy) in the buddy module.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2015, 06:15 AM
I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here

Ok i see the nature of the problem -- in the current css stylesheet we are using on DC, all hyperlinks are bolded automatically, to help distinguish them.  That makes the use of an <em> or <strong> impossible (or near impossible) to see.

There are actually a few places where em (or strong) is used on links, like in emphasizing buddies on member list (or it turns out on sticky topics) -- but most of the time it's sort of redundant.  The buddies on member list is an exception.

I have two choices for how to fix:

Both fixes are easy -- the real question this raises is whether we should be bolding all hyperlinks -- and i need some opinions on this.



So let's set aside the issue of highlighting buddies in member list -- i'll solve that once we answer the question of whether all hyperlinks should be bolded.

I do find it makes it easier to identify hyperlinks when they are bolded.  I have experimented with unbolding hyperlinks locally and one problem I have is that it becomes then very hard to distinguish visited hyperlinks from normal text (or alternatively from non-visited links).

Help me decide, here are some screenshots to compare:

Bold hyperlinks:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Non-bold hyperlinks:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Opinions? Which do you prefer?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 07, 2015, 06:21 AM
Was making all hyperlinks bold chosen to get larger message-titles?, as those are also hyperlinks. I expect those would have their own css style.

Non-bold hyperlinks could be somewhat problematic in trying to hit the now thinner links when working on a small device, like a phone or tablet, can't test that currently :(
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2015, 06:49 AM
Was making all hyperlinks bold chosen to get larger message-titles?, as those are also hyperlinks. I expect those would have their own css style.

it was one to make it easier to identify clickable links. 
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2015, 06:52 AM
Regardless of whether I change the hyperlinks to be bold or not, i have used a different color for buddies on memberlist so they should show up differently -- so that should solve that problem.

We still need to decide whether to keep hyperlinks bolded (see screenshots to compare).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2015, 06:53 AM
All I know is that this orange-apple image, enlarging underneath the YouTube screen, is the first time it has happened (to me).

I understood your image, but couldn't reproduce the problem, and decided it was probably something we could ignore or at least file as low-priority problem for now.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: crabby3 on September 07, 2015, 06:59 AM
All I know is that this orange-apple image, enlarging underneath the YouTube screen, is the first time it has happened (to me).

I understood your image, but couldn't reproduce the problem, and decided it was probably something we could ignore or at least file as low-priority problem for now.

Thank you for your reply.  I suppose this could be my machine and or browser as well?  Vista and IE 9?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 07, 2015, 10:03 AM
Regardless of whether I change the hyperlinks to be bold or not, i have used a different color for buddies on memberlist so they should show up differently -- so that should solve that problem.

We still need to decide whether to keep hyperlinks bolded (see screenshots to compare).
I can see that now, and I do like it, though it may need a little fine-tuning later.

The blue color I mentioned before seems to be assigned to (sub-)board moderators, like lanux128, Carol Haynes and app103. I hadn't recognized that before :-[

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
(Buddy names again hidden to protect the innocent)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 07, 2015, 10:09 AM
can you just confirm to me that we are talking about the same list? maybe a screenshot,

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here :-[
(Screenshot taken from Pale Moon)

Buddy?  What's a buddy?!?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 07, 2015, 12:49 PM
In your profile you can create a list of buddies (doesn't have to be reciprocal).
Buddy list is just an easier way to see when someone on your buddy list is online currently.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 07, 2015, 02:12 PM
I'd love to see what the unread:all page looks like without the bold. Was it set this way (all links are bold) in the previous forum? Because if not that might explain a sense of something being "off" here that I hadn't put my finger on yet, in which case I'd prefer non-bold links by default. I think changing the color of visited links to better differentiate them is a better solution than bolding them all.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 07, 2015, 03:21 PM
can you just confirm to me that we are talking about the same list? maybe a screenshot,

//There is an image here...but the forum has cocked up with the quoting problem again so I removed it.

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here :-[
(Screenshot taken from Pale Moon)

Buddy?  What's a buddy?!?

In your profile you can create a list of buddies (doesn't have to be reciprocal).
Buddy list is just an easier way to see when someone on your buddy list is online currently.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Target on September 07, 2015, 07:15 PM
could be this has already been discussed but I couldn't see it

I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook).  Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)

Not a biggy by any means, it just takes me a bit longer to get to the 'current' threads
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 05:56 AM
I'd love to see what the unread:all page looks like without the bold. Was it set this way (all links are bold) in the previous forum? Because if not that might explain a sense of something being "off" here that I hadn't put my finger on yet, in which case I'd prefer non-bold links by default. I think changing the color of visited links to better differentiate them is a better solution than bolding them all.

Perhaps we should try unbolded links for a bit and see if they are preferred;  I think perhaps the old forum did not use bolded links.   I intended to keep a working backup of the old forum for comparison purposes but due to unforseen circumstances i was not able to keep it online (though obviously i still have all the files to inspect manually).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 05:58 AM
I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook).  Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)

Check again now please (make sure to F5 to reload css).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 06:08 AM
Ok I have switched to a default of non-bolded hyperlinks; i still bold them in a few places (like inside posts) to make them more readable, but elsewhere back to non-bolded.
Remember to hit F5 to force a re-load of the css file to see the changes.

Let me know if you folks like this look better or worse.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 08, 2015, 08:34 AM
I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook).  Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)

Check again now please (make sure to F5 to reload css).

Well, since you switched it, do you still want any screen shots?

PS What is NOW different for me ... is when I quote, it was green yesterday! Now the theme colors are all blue! (I have an old tab open so I can see the changes.)



Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 08:49 AM
is when I quote, it was green yesterday! Now the theme colors are all blue! (I have an old tab open so I can see the changes.)

yikes! i didn't do that on purpose! let me figure out wtf caused that.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 08:53 AM
FIXED -- thanks for finding that.  I had a syntax error in the css file and it was breaking a bunch of things.  Should be ok now.  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 08, 2015, 10:02 AM
Ok I have switched to a default of non-bolded hyperlinks; i still bold them in a few places (like inside posts) to make them more readable, but elsewhere back to non-bolded.
Remember to hit F5 to force a re-load of the css file to see the changes.

Let me know if you folks like this look better or worse.


I'd vote for the default being bolded - well, for thread titles anyways. I found them easier to read bold.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 10:32 AM
I think logically there is something to be said for not having links bolded by default -- just because it enables SOME links to be bolded for emphasis; other than that I am ambivalent.
Let's try it this way for a week and make a decision at that point.
Screenshots above show the difference in look -- or you can always use a local css file to override the site css.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 08, 2015, 10:44 AM
I think logically there is something to be said for not having links bolded by default -- just because it enables SOME links to be bolded for emphasis; other than that I am ambivalent.
Let's try it this way for a week and make a decision at that point.
Screenshots above show the difference in look -- or you can always use a local css file to override the site css.

Me on my admittedly creaky system, I have no idea what any of you are talking about. No new colors, no new icons, the works.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 10:50 AM
the links there used to be bold, now they are normal.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 08, 2015, 11:39 AM
Ok I have switched to a default of non-bolded hyperlinks; i still bold them in a few places (like inside posts) to make them more readable, but elsewhere back to non-bolded.
Remember to hit F5 to force a re-load of the css file to see the changes.

Let me know if you folks like this look better or worse.


I'd vote for the default being bolded - well, for thread titles anyways. I found them easier to read bold.

+1.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 08, 2015, 12:37 PM
Came to the forum this morning and went to my usual Unread: All view and *woah*, no eye strain/brain overload/whatever! It was seriously a strongly different feeling, almost *relief*. I know that sounds crazy. But needless to say I really prefer the non-bold links, at least in topic lists. Within threads bold links would be OK, though IMO not necessarily an improvement. But in big lists it's just fatiguing somehow (to me at least).

One notable benefit that has been mentioned but perhaps not focused on is that stickied topics are bold by default in SMF. I had forgotten that, but coming back to the forum I noticed immediately in the topic lists and remembered that I hadn't been able to tell stickied/important topics from others on the new forum. Just goes to show there are sometimes issues that you notice but can't necessarily identify or put your finger on. So experimentation is good, it helps us get new perspectives on things. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 08, 2015, 01:41 PM
^ wondering if screensize makes a difference:
on a smaller screen (FHD 15.6") I do find unbolded thread titles more difficult to read - maybe I'll get used to it though.

I think it's also to do with the fact there is not so much contrast between the default link colour and the grey background - when not bold, then harder (for me) to read.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 08, 2015, 02:56 PM
Was making all hyperlinks bold chosen to get larger message-titles?, as those are also hyperlinks. I expect those would have their own css style.

it was one to make it easier to identify clickable links. 

Ok I have switched to a default of non-bolded hyperlinks; i still bold them in a few places (like inside posts) to make them more readable, but elsewhere back to non-bolded.
Remember to hit F5 to force a re-load of the css file to see the changes.

Let me know if you folks like this look better or worse.

IMO the bolded links in posts are still hard to see because their color is very close to black. They should be more obviously blue or some contrasting color to the default text color so that they stand out.

EDIT: After further investigation, I've realized it's the "visited" link color that is hard to distinguish from the normal black color.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 08, 2015, 02:59 PM
I sort of got used to the bold after a while, though I found it a bit disruptive at first. But now I find the non-bold version too small and hard to read. Maybe the problem is not so much that it is not bold but that the font is of a too skiny variety. I had to zoom in on the page to make it more readable.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 08, 2015, 03:07 PM
I sort of got used to the bold after a while, though I found it a bit disruptive at first. But now I find the non-bold version too small and hard to read. Maybe the problem is not so much that it is not bold but that the font is of a too skiny variety. I had to zoom in on the page to make it more readable.

This.  Though I didn't have to zoom in, the font itself is less readable.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 08, 2015, 03:44 PM
I agree. In the (upcoming) age of high DPS screens, I'm finding the default font/size to be quite thin and small. We could do with a thicker font, or the current font being bumped up a couple sizes.

Not so much for the font used in forum posts, but just about everywhere else. Such as the "Quote" links in the top right of each post, or the "breadcrumbs" links at the top of the page, etc.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 08, 2015, 03:51 PM
I was just noticing it seems small too, after visiting one of my other forums (default SMF config basically). But if I look at the CSS inspector it appears to be the same size and font. Looking at it I think for me it may be the fact that the background color is another shade of blue, it gets a little lost then, whereas on my forum links are dark-ish red. Which is to say, something is not working as well (for me) on this forum vs. the other one, but using the same solution may not be appropriate here as it is there. Perhaps change font size a bit? Maybe that's no less drastic than Bold...

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 08, 2015, 04:01 PM
Ever since viewing the test-dc and now the actual new dc, I'm trying to convince myself that the font used is 1 or maybe even 2 points smaller than the old dc forum. Maybe mouser can compare the css/settings?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 08, 2015, 04:09 PM

"Zoom in" is a bit of a strange thing. Because your browser "mostly" remembers those, and then you forget you ever even did it "whenever back then".

So I'm on the fence and don't know what to say.

A laptop and a desktop with a big screen are totally two diff experiences!

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 04:10 PM
The font size on original forum was the tiniest bit larger -- take your screenshots now, im going to enlarge the font in a few minutes...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 04:23 PM
I've bumped the forum font size up a small but non-trivial amount.  Better?

Note 1: As always, make sure to F5 reload pages to have new css applied.
Note 2: On a browser less than 800 pixels wide, it will revert to smaller text size.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 08, 2015, 04:27 PM
"Zoom in" is a bit of a strange thing. Because your browser "mostly" remembers those, and then you forget you ever even did it "whenever back then".

So I'm on the fence and don't know what to say.

You might be right about this. I vaguely remember that I zoomed in some months ago and then stayed that way, so perhaps that's part of the effect of what I'm experiencing.

Having said that, now even after zooming in the fonts look skinny to me...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 08, 2015, 04:29 PM
Sorry, I should have specified that I'm talking about the link font such as the posts/threads displayed in the Info Center box when looking at the main page (and not referring to the font inside the posts).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 08, 2015, 04:33 PM
I've bumped the forum font size up a small but non-trivial amount.  Better?

yes, that helps quite a bit here  :up:

what is the font btw?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 04:38 PM
what is the font btw?

Original forum css was:

New forum as of yesterday was:

New forum as of now is:

Essentially ignore everything except the font size.

I think the old "small" was translated to something around 85% or so? (i tried it here, it landed somewhere between the 78% and 90%).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 04:41 PM
yes, that helps quite a bit here

yeah, i guess it looks better to me too.  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: dr_andus on September 08, 2015, 05:06 PM
Yes, it does look better, I could zoom out now, thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Target on September 08, 2015, 06:00 PM
I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook).  Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)

Check again now please (make sure to F5 to reload css).

contrast is the same, but the pins are quite plain :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

many thanks!!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 08, 2015, 09:49 PM
This spoiler box (found here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=40163.msg385414#msg385414)), which contains a code box, is tiny and can't be resized to see the contents:

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 08, 2015, 09:55 PM
spoiler boxes are supposed to autosize based on their css.. it works most of the time -- i'll have to see why it's not in this case.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 09, 2015, 01:38 AM
The font size on original forum was the tiniest bit larger
Aha, so I actually don't need new glasses after all :tellme:
Looking great now :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 09, 2015, 04:13 AM
I thought I had visited the supporters yearbook after the upgrade, but now I can't find it any more.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 05:40 AM
I thought I had visited the supporters yearbook after the upgrade, but now I can't find it any more.

Here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sa=yearbook
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 06:41 AM
This spoiler box (found here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=40163.msg385414#msg385414)), which contains a code box, is tiny and can't be resized to see the contents:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Try now (remember to hit F5 to reload new css).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on September 09, 2015, 06:46 AM
I thought I had visited the supporters yearbook after the upgrade, but now I can't find it any more.

Here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sa=yearbook

I think @phitsc means how do you get to it, I can't find a link on the forum to it either.

EDIT: Found it, the supporters (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sa=yearbook) link in the fifth paragraph on the About (https://www.donationcoder.com/About/index.html) page.  I think it could be buried a little deeper  :P
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 06:50 AM
Yeah it's on the about page and can be shown in the top area occasionally when being shown a random item of old news.
It's one of the "fun" but useless pages.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 09, 2015, 07:01 AM
I thought I had visited the supporters yearbook after the upgrade, but now I can't find it any more.

Here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sa=yearbook

I think @phitsc means how do you get to it, I can't find a link on the forum to it either.

EDIT: Found it, the supporters (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sa=yearbook) link in the fifth paragraph on the About (https://www.donationcoder.com/About/index.html) page.  I think it could be buried a little deeper  :P

Ah, there it is. Thanks for letting me know :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 09:37 AM
Looking great now

Yeah i think the forum is starting to look quite nice now!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: phitsc on September 09, 2015, 09:44 AM
Looking great now

Yeah i think the forum is starting to look quite nice now!

Yes, great job mouser (and whoever else is helping)!  :up:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 09, 2015, 11:34 AM
Another request (or chiming in on one)- the ability to put custom links or something and position that area.  There are certain areas that I frequent more than others, and some don't appear on the unread or in the info center.  I'd like to not have to go back to the main area, search for the sub area, then go there if possible.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 11:40 AM
Another request (or chiming in on one)- the ability to put custom links or something and position that area.

im open to adding a profile field that would let you specify some custom bbc code area, but id rather not make its position configurable -- so im thinking the custom block would be here:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 09, 2015, 11:48 AM
Well my message again got lost.
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41514.msg388318#msg388318

Maybe I was not clear then. I rephrase it.

Can we have an option to show all messages in a thread in one long page without any page break ? It will help me a lot.

Hope I get an answer this time.

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 09, 2015, 11:56 AM
This is not a request or want, just a repeat of a personal preference:

My earlier impression stands, few days have passed and I can not get used to background colours of the posts and quotes. The background gets more difficult on my eyes on the page I check for new posts every time (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=recent;dense).
I remember mouser mentioned earlier that DC should retain a certain individual look, I would not include text background colours in any individualilty.

I would like to repeat that this is just my so called preference.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 12:03 PM
Can we have an option to show all messages in a thread in one long page without any page break ? It will help me a lot.

I have added an undocumented/secret feature for this, add ";perpage=#" at the end of your request when viewing a topic, for example ";perpage=500".

However note that such requests might put an unacceptable load on the forum if too many people start using it at the same time, so we may have to remove the feature or reduce the max (currently set to 1000) if this proves to be the case.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 12:04 PM
My earlier impression stands, few days have passed and I can not get used to background colours of the posts and quotes. The background gets more difficult on my eyes

Im open to changing the colors, though i think i like them.  But I think what would really be useful in a more general sense is if someone could post (or point us to) a nice tutorial on ways to customize the css for any site you visit using different browsers, by overriding css definitions on a per-site basis.  Then perhaps people could share some dc-specific css site overrides for different looks?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 09, 2015, 12:11 PM
I have added an undocumented/secret feature for this, add ";perpage=#" at the end of your request when viewing a topic, for example ";perpage=500".

I works  :Thmbsup: Thanks a lot. :)

Normally I or anybody else will not use it. We will use it only if we find interest in a message in a topic, which has become few pages long, and want to read back messages and find clicking 'prev' or 'next' time consuming.

Regards,

Anand
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 09, 2015, 12:27 PM
I used Stylebot for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha/related?hl=en) and added this for myself

Code: CSS [Select]
  1. div.post_wrapper {
  2.     background-color: #ffffff;
  3. }
  4.  
  5. td.stickybg.windowbg.toptictablecol_subject {
  6.     background-color: #ffffff;
  7. }
  8.  
  9. td.windowbg.toptictablecol_subject {
  10.     background-color: #ffffff;
  11. }
  12.  
  13. blockquote.bbc_standard_quote {
  14.     background-color: #ffffff;
  15. }
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 09, 2015, 12:28 PM
Excellent, thanks for sharing that, rg!  :up:

How about a screenshot?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 09, 2015, 03:52 PM
Another request (or chiming in on one)- the ability to put custom links or something and position that area.

im open to adding a profile field that would let you specify some custom bbc code area, but id rather not make its position configurable -- so im thinking the custom block would be here:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

That's good enough.  Just hate having to go to the main page and scroll in order to see a board, and don't want another bookmark :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: cranioscopical on September 09, 2015, 06:02 PM
Email alerts regarding PMs used to give sender and subject.
Now I get only subject which doesn't help with automatic mail sorting at my end.

Can you help with that one, please?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 09, 2015, 09:11 PM
Excellent, thanks for sharing that, rg!  :up:

How about a screenshot?

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 09, 2015, 09:35 PM
This spoiler box (found here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=40163.msg385414#msg385414)), which contains a code box, is tiny and can't be resized to see the contents:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Try now (remember to hit F5 to reload new css).

Works great! Nice work!

Quoting posts with attachments still has problems though...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on September 10, 2015, 12:23 AM
Oh man, I kind of prefer the white... :( Looks cleaner, possibly easier to read in a way. Is there still room to reconsider the color choices overall? I mean, obviously if it's just a persnickety few of us, we can do our own thing. But if there's some amount of critical mass?

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 10, 2015, 12:35 AM
Surely we need some color!  :'(
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Stoic Joker on September 10, 2015, 06:52 AM
Is it just me, or do the new Spoiler tags not work in Win10's IE11? Using Edge yes, but in IE11 I get the link-finger icon, and no reaction to click what-so-ever.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 10, 2015, 08:14 AM
Surely we need some color!  :'(

I agree.  White is just too... white.  Especially at night.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on September 10, 2015, 08:53 AM
I forget what the tag was, maybe "[autohotkey]" that displayed ahk code with syntax highlighting.  Is it available on the new board?  (I just found out about it a few weeks ago.)

Edit:  Also I can't find a test post subforum?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 10, 2015, 10:05 AM
Also I can't find a test post subforum?
That mouser-enhanced-mod has not been migrated to the new forum.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 10, 2015, 10:17 AM
As useful as that private test area was, it involved quite a bit of ugly hacking around with a bunch of scattered areas of the forum codebase, and in my effort to keep things clean i am hesitating porting it over.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on September 10, 2015, 12:25 PM
That mouser-enhanced-mod has not been migrated to the new forum.

How about the scripting tags?  I know at least ahk had syntax coloring on the old board.  That was a nice feature.

Edit:  I got it.  The opening tag is  "code equal autohotkey"
Code: Autohotkey [Select]
  1. ;to start the block
  2. ;
  3. ;there would be ahk code here if I typed any such as
  4. var := 1 + 1
  5. ;
  6. ; just use the code end tag  slash code as usual to end the block
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on September 10, 2015, 12:27 PM
As useful as that private test area was, it involved quite a bit of ugly hacking around with a bunch of scattered areas of the forum codebase, and in my effort to keep things clean i am hesitating porting it over.

It's not something used every day anyway.  One can just preview and modify someplace or other I guess.  :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 10, 2015, 12:30 PM
As useful as that private test area was, it involved quite a bit of ugly hacking around with a bunch of scattered areas of the forum codebase, and in my effort to keep things clean i am hesitating porting it over.

It's not something used every day anyway.  One can just preview and modify someplace or other I guess.  :)


It was a strange thing - because it was semi-live bb posting. A key other choice is to leave it in a local text file, but I only used it like three times so it's not worth 30 hours of Mouser hacking to only use it three times.

Watch out, we're getting into Biz Mgt here soon!

 :tellme:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 10, 2015, 12:32 PM
Surely we need some color!  :'(

I agree.  White is just too... white.  Especially at night.

There's a fascinating social question here somewhere because about a decade of Cyberpunk lore made dark colors "the thing", until the "masses" decided "White feels safe".

Now I don't know what anyone thinks of Light Blue.

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on September 10, 2015, 12:41 PM
Surely we need some color!  :'(

I agree.  White is just too... white.  Especially at night.

When I used fractal flames made with apophysis as wallpaper the File Explorer white background was really distracting as the flames usually had a dead black background.  It was like glare.  A regular on a system modding forum changed the Aero theme to have Antique White as the Explorer background color.  It made a big difference.

I have trusty ColorToggle FF extension if needed though.  :)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 10, 2015, 02:47 PM
Surely we need some color!  :'(

I agree.  White is just too... white.  Especially at night.

yeah, I find white background too bright nights as well.
I do like the current colour scheme, but wonder if a slightly lighter grey background would be better for more contrast with the text.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 10, 2015, 02:55 PM
Most forums have theme switcher mods (drop down somewhere in the footer) too. I believe smf does but probably not actively maintained if I had to guess.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 10, 2015, 03:17 PM
smf does have the option to let users switch themes -- but because our dc theme has been thoroughly modified and customized at nearly all levels, its not practical to let user switch between other stock themes.
I could however, look into how easy and clean it would be to offer the opportunity to change dc coloring/css themes.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on September 10, 2015, 03:18 PM
Most forums have theme switcher mods (drop down somewhere in the footer) too. I believe smf does but probably not actively maintained if I had to guess.


SMF has always had user-selectable themes but mouser has always disabled them - Having more than 1 theme available for people, means making more than 1 theme, then dealing with half a million requests for changes on both... ;D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 10, 2015, 03:36 PM
Didn't know a switcher is built in  :-[ Any way, my post background white via css works well for me.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 10, 2015, 04:36 PM
As useful as that private test area was, it involved quite a bit of ugly hacking around with a bunch of scattered areas of the forum codebase, and in my effort to keep things clean i am hesitating porting it over.

Less maintenance sounds better.  Though is it possible to get one's old content from a backup?  I hadn't quite finished going through what I'd put there before the (early :)) transition over.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 10, 2015, 04:38 PM
Though is it possible to get one's old content from a backup?

all still there.  go to your profile and view your posts, you should see a link to view your private posts which are all your old posts that are no longer visible or are on blocked boards.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 10, 2015, 06:46 PM
I see them -- thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 11, 2015, 01:37 AM
I have a feature request!

Support for embedded Gfycat (http://gfycat.com/about)s!

Cat Tax
That way links such as this one don't use up as much bandwidth and can be paused, rewound, or played in slow motion, etc.

http://gfycat.com/ImmaterialEcstaticAbyssiniancat

(http://giant.gfycat.com/ImmaterialEcstaticAbyssiniancat.gif)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 11, 2015, 01:39 AM
I noticed a problem while making the previous post. When previewing my message, the spoiler box wouldn't open up when I clicked on it. :tellme:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 11, 2015, 10:47 AM
Email alerts regarding PMs used to give sender and subject.
Now I get only subject which doesn't help with automatic mail sorting at my end.
Can you help with that one, please?


Should be fixed now.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 11, 2015, 10:53 AM
Got the [Invalid Attachment] bug again... was hoping knowing the post could let you replicate it.

https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2625.msg388899#msg388899
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 12, 2015, 01:31 PM
There was formerly a section in your profile that displayed your key.  Setting up a new computer, and realized that's no longer there.  I was able to, of course, browse to https://www.donationcoder.com/Keys/index.php, but it took me a little bit to remember where that was.  It was definitely more convenient being on your profile...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 12, 2015, 02:16 PM
Most forums have theme switcher mods (drop down somewhere in the footer) too. I believe smf does but probably not actively maintained if I had to guess.


SMF has always had user-selectable themes but mouser has always disabled them - Having more than 1 theme available for people, means making more than 1 theme, then dealing with half a million requests for changes on both... ;D

And that's before my Antarean Trader system gets involved!
:D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Curt on September 16, 2015, 11:04 AM
there is something wrong with the donation system.

The money I paid some hours ago, are not available to me as DonationCredits, like they used to; this time they all went straight to the site / mouser, without giving me any choice. That's not how it's supposed to be.

 :tellme:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 16, 2015, 11:28 AM
The money I paid some hours ago, are not available to me as DonationCredits, like they used to; this time they all went straight to the site / mouser, without giving me any choice. That's not how it's supposed to be.

Don't panic! It works exactly as before -- when you donate you'll get a link by email (it's in the same email with the license key) -- you visit that link to "activate" your donationcredits and put them into your account.  From there you can allocate them all as you see fit.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Curt on September 16, 2015, 11:35 AM
Yes, there was a mail, but... you mean I actually have to read it?!!   :o 

 :-[

Modified:
DonationCredits now available ;-)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Curt on September 16, 2015, 11:46 AM
why on earth is the confirmation page saying the donation was a failure? Yes, I will shortly after realize the donation was a success and that the money really has arrived, but... the #feelings# when you see the "Activation Failed", are so "unwanted", it surely must be better to find another way of confirming!

Activate DonationCredits for Curt

Activation Failed.

'this code' has already been used to previously activate/upgrade a forum account.

If you need to change your account or you want to activate a secondary account, that's not a problem at all and we'd be more than happy to set it up for you.

Just send an email to mouser@... and let us know how we can help you.

 Enter a new Activation Code.
-Donation confirmation message
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 16, 2015, 12:06 PM
Im not sure why it said failed -- ill have to check that -- but i can see that it actually worked as the donationcredits got credited to your account.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: cranioscopical on September 16, 2015, 04:46 PM
The money I paid some hours ago, are not available to me as DonationCredits, like they used to

It seems okay to me, and thanks for the donations.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: rgdot on September 16, 2015, 04:51 PM
Clown and turkey badges always existed?  :huh: ;D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on September 16, 2015, 05:15 PM
The money I paid some hours ago, are not available to me as DonationCredits, like they used to

It seems okay to me, and thanks for the donations.


Hmm, if only the decimal point on my balance would disappear.  :)  I would be activated then.  ;)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: hamradio on September 16, 2015, 09:14 PM
Clown and turkey badges always existed?  :huh: ;D

Yep! ;D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 18, 2015, 12:18 AM

Not sure when the latest newsletter ended up at the top of the forum page, but I think that's a good idea. (Somehow I didn't see it there before - I thought I remembered having to go down into Newsletters or something.)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 18, 2015, 10:26 PM
fyi: Forum upgraded to v2.0.11.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: anandcoral on September 19, 2015, 10:36 AM
fyi: Forum upgraded to v2.0.11.
What's new ? :)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 19, 2015, 02:45 PM
It was just a minor security update.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: ewemoa on September 19, 2015, 05:46 PM
Thanks for doing it especially then :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: cranioscopical on September 19, 2015, 11:54 PM
fyi: Forum upgraded to v2.0.11.

Thanks for the hard work! Keep this up and we might allow you a half-day off on Dec 25.
 
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: TaoPhoenix on September 20, 2015, 12:05 AM
fyi: Forum upgraded to v2.0.11.
Thanks for the hard work! Keep this up and we might allow you a half-day off on Dec 25.

No, don't you know the Retail Way? Mouser has to work DOUBLE on Christmas because that's when *everyone else* is taking it off! He might get 7AM-3PM off December 27!
:o
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on September 20, 2015, 10:29 AM
fyi: Forum upgraded to v2.0.11.
What's new ? :)



You can always go to http://download.simplemachines.org/ and the most recent change log will be at the bottom of the page.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 22, 2015, 12:11 PM
DC members ewemoa found a bug in search, where if there were more than 1000 results, the topmost relevant ones were not always being shown.
I have attempted to remedy that problem.

Let me know if you find any other oddities in search -- I will attempt to improve it as we go forward.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on September 22, 2015, 05:57 PM
Speaking of Search, is there any chance 'Sort by' option could be moved to the result page rather than having to go into Advanced Search?

The default Relevant never seems to be AFAIAC and it's always been quicker to sort by date because I'm usually searching for a post I've already seen and therefore have a good idea of when it occurred.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 22, 2015, 05:59 PM
yeah i dont see why i cant put a control on results page to change the sort mode.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on September 22, 2015, 06:03 PM
Thanks mouser!
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on September 23, 2015, 03:31 AM
RE search -- a minor suggestion:
in advanced search, move the [Search] button to the centre of the page.
Maybe it's just me, but everytime I use it, I have to look for it -- on a (regular) wide screen monitor, it's way over there in the right-hand corner...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on September 24, 2015, 01:42 AM
I seem to remember that the list of threads within a forum had a nest/previous page link. It may have fallen off during the migration, or maybe it has to be added like the prev/next links on the thread-post pages?

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Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on September 24, 2015, 06:57 AM
Thanks for reminding me, i'll look into it -- should be an easy fix.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Stoic Joker on September 28, 2015, 07:03 AM
Is it just me, or do the new Spoiler tags not work in Win10's IE11? Using Edge yes, but in IE11 I get the link-finger icon, and no reaction to click what-so-ever.

Still wondering about this. Am I to assume then that it is just me? As it's happening in multiple locations on different machines ... All of which are running IE11 on Win10.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: cyberdiva on September 28, 2015, 09:25 AM
Can we get the "Go To" quick links at the bottom of threads like it was on the old site? It's no fun having to scroll back up to the top of the page just to navigate back to Unread threads or other areas of the site.
I'd like to make a similar request. 
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on September 29, 2015, 02:19 PM
Still wondering about this. Am I to assume then that it is just me? As it's happening in multiple locations on different machines ... All of which are running IE11 on Win10.

Well that's interesting. I just loaded up IE to test it. All I did was just quote a random post from this thread and stick it in a spoiler box, clicked preview, and tested the spoiler. It worked fine.

Then I decided to quote your message in the spoiler box instead of the random one and now it won't work.

Spoiler
Is it just me, or do the new Spoiler tags not work in Win10's IE11? Using Edge yes, but in IE11 I get the link-finger icon, and no reaction to click what-so-ever.

Still wondering about this. Am I to assume then that it is just me? As it's happening in multiple locations on different machines ... All of which are running IE11 on Win10.

EDIT: Spoiler seems to maybe work on actual posts, but not in previews.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Stoic Joker on September 29, 2015, 03:13 PM
I never tried it in a preview, but the spoiler in your post does nothing for me in IE, but works fine in Edge or FF.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: 4wd on October 01, 2015, 03:22 AM
I never tried it in a preview, but the spoiler in your post does nothing for me in IE, but works fine in Edge or FF.

Seems to work fine in IE11 on Win8.1Pro here in Deo's post but I can confirm it doesn't work in preview.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on October 03, 2015, 06:57 PM
Attempting to embed Vimeo video which didn't work in another thread:



OK, nope. So what have I done wrong?

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on October 03, 2015, 07:00 PM
Let's see, does this work:


I think it just wants the video id# in between the tags.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on October 03, 2015, 09:46 PM
Ohhh, I see. Fair 'nuff.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on October 03, 2015, 10:16 PM
if you remind me later ill tweak it to work with the full url as well.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on October 06, 2015, 08:11 PM
Meep. This is your reminder. :P
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: JavaJones on October 07, 2015, 11:58 AM
Hehe, thanks Deo. :D

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: questorfla on October 27, 2015, 04:06 PM
Not sure about everything but i Love the ability to be able to "Go TO Topics I Posted In" as well as "Go To Topics I started".  I Really appreciate all theeffort you must have gone through to add any changes in something that you know from the start there is no way to please everyone. 
Keep up the good work! :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup: :D
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on January 20, 2016, 01:00 AM
I can't find how to ignore certain topics. Did that option get removed?

if you remind me later ill tweak it to work with the full url as well.

Meep! This is your reminder.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: tomos on January 20, 2016, 03:19 AM
I can't find how to ignore certain topics.

Profile >Modify Profile >Ignore Boards Options

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Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on January 20, 2016, 04:13 PM
I can't find how to ignore certain topics.

Profile >Modify Profile >Ignore Boards Options

Thanks for that, but it's not quite what I'm looking for. I don't want to ignore an entire board. Just specific topic(s) within a board.

There used to be a way to do things like bookmark a thread, mark it as unread, mark it as "ignored", etc. All those options that used to exist have been replaced by a single button that just marks it as unread. :(
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on January 20, 2016, 05:23 PM
That's what I thought you meant.  I didn't even know that there was anything other than a don't get notifications for threads option.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on January 21, 2016, 10:30 AM
I can't find how to ignore certain topics.

Profile >Modify Profile >Ignore Boards Options

Thanks for that, but it's not quite what I'm looking for. I don't want to ignore an entire board. Just specific topic(s) within a board.

There used to be a way to do things like bookmark a thread, mark it as unread, mark it as "ignored", etc. All those options that used to exist have been replaced by a single button that just marks it as unread. :(

I've been begging for that "Ignore selected topics in the future" button back since the day the new forum came out - I've bugged mouser to do it and I am hoping it's on his to-do list - I think he got bogged down with CMS stuff amongst other things though :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on January 21, 2016, 01:33 PM
I don't think it is from what he said when it first came up.  For much the same reason ignore topics started by a certain user, or ignore users are not on his to do, even though it would help me immensely not to see topics/replies of certain users.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on January 27, 2016, 12:12 PM
Regarding the reply arrow, I was wondering if it would be possible to overlay it on the other post icons? I am missing it on the "thread has an attachment" icon for example.

I made a version of the green arrow on it's own with transparent background in case that helps.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on January 27, 2016, 03:28 PM
I am missing it on the "thread has an attachment" icon for example.

i know it seems like i should know this stuff back and forth, but i could do with a little more hand holding -- by telling me the complete list of icons i should add it to -- maybe a url & screenshot showing me where? my brain is just on dice lately :)
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on January 27, 2016, 04:55 PM
It's primarily the little paperclip icon here:
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Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on January 27, 2016, 05:11 PM
ah well, i've been meaning to KILL that paperclip icon -- it's used automatically now on a post with an attachment, and i think that may be a bit confusing.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Jibz on January 27, 2016, 05:22 PM
Sounds like a good solution :Thmbsup:.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on January 27, 2016, 06:39 PM
should be fixed (for NEW topics).
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Deozaan on July 21, 2016, 02:20 AM
I'm not sure if this is an intended feature or not, but I just logged out of my forum account on a VM and that action logged me out everywhere. My desktop, my tablet, my phone. Everywhere. :(
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on February 20, 2017, 02:22 PM
I think Contro found an issue in the [ code=language ] forum-tag. When pressing the 'Select' link and copying the content to the clipboard, each line is prefixed with 4 spaces, the space the line numbering takes in the view. When using no language in the code tag, all seems to work just fine.
I'd qualify this as a bug in (probably) the plugin that handles this layout task for the forum.

Test it here:
A multi-line block of text hidden
in a code tag without
a language applied to it
Code: AutoIt [Select]
  1. Another multi-line snippet of text
  2. in a code=autoit tag, it shows line-
  3. numbering and highlighting for any recognized keywords
  4. is shown

Using the select link on the second code block and pressing Ctrl-C to copy to the clipboard, then pasting in an editor, each line has 4 excess spaces in front of it. :huh:

This shouldn't be an issue for most languages, but for Python it is, and for the other languages it is a nuisance, not quite easy to fix for non-programmers as they don't understand why it isn't working as expected...
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2017, 03:53 PM
Ah good point.. let me try to fix.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on February 20, 2017, 06:59 PM
It may be a browser issue -- what browser are you using? Have you tried chrome?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on February 21, 2017, 01:28 AM
It may be a browser issue -- what browser are you using? Have you tried chrome?
Darn, it is indeed most likely browser related, tried before with Firefox and Pale Moon (a FF derivate), but in Chrome there is no such issue :o

In IE it is even worse, there it includes the line numbers and inserts an extra blank line between each line :'( (but I only use IE for an internal work-site that uses ActiveX stuff, phew)

Examples:
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I'll have to take my complaints elsewhere, I guess :-[ ;D
Thanks for the feedback, didn't expect that.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: mouser on February 21, 2017, 08:16 AM
Well probably a better solution, which I think I did on the old forum, was to add a button/link to click to explicitly copy the code to clipboard, and have that do the copy instead of using Ctrl+C, and then use js there to ensure the copy is always properly done without extra spaces or line numbers.  But until then at least you have the workaround of using chrome.
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: MilesAhead on February 21, 2017, 09:29 AM
(but I only use IE for an internal work-site that uses ActiveX stuff, phew)


Just out of curiosity I notice MS has decided not to support ActiveX in Edge.  I wonder if MaxThon does or will continue to support ActiveX?  I used it back in v 2.0 when unsigned AddOns were still allowed.  So I am not aware of the current state of MaxThon browser vis a vis ActiveX Controls, BHOs etc..

Edit: A quick search found a fix in the MaxThon 4.x changelog for "automatically switching to Retro Mode" when encountering ActiveX.  So evidently it is grandfathered in.  :)

Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: wraith808 on February 21, 2017, 10:50 AM
It may be a browser issue -- what browser are you using? Have you tried chrome?
Darn, it is indeed most likely browser related, tried before with Firefox and Pale Moon (a FF derivate), but in Chrome there is no such issue :o

In IE it is even worse, there it includes the line numbers and inserts an extra blank line between each line :'( (but I only use IE for an internal work-site that uses ActiveX stuff, phew)

Examples:
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I'll have to take my complaints elsewhere, I guess :-[ ;D
Thanks for the feedback, didn't expect that.

Might it be an extension?
Title: Re: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here
Post by: Ath on February 23, 2017, 09:56 AM
Might it be an extension?
Just tried Firefox with extensions disabled, but the result is the same :-\
I'd call it a bug, but hey, who am I to judge this 'feature' ;D