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Title: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 11, 2008, 02:27 AM
Yesterday a new online service was born, it's called YourFonts.

http://www.yourfonts.com/

It will remain in beta for a short period. During the beta period, all generated fonts will be available for free. You just need to fill in this special coupon:
YourFont2008

Then you can instantly download your own font, and use it in word processing, desktop publishing and graphic design programs like Microsoft Word, Adobe Illustrator, etc.

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I hope you like it, so give it a try and post your results here. Thanks!

Best regards,
Erwin Denissen
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: jgpaiva on July 11, 2008, 03:33 AM
See also Scanahand (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=12314.0), a similar program (not web-based) by the same company and that DC had a discount to. (Not sure if it's still active)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: mouser on July 11, 2008, 03:34 AM
Congrats on a new program Erwin  :up:
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 11, 2008, 04:38 AM
See also Scanahand (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=12314.0), a similar program (not web-based) by the same company and that DC had a discount to. (Not sure if it's still active)
Yes, the Scanahand discount is still active, but you need to have Windows. People who have a Mac, Linux or any other O.S. can use yourfonts.com as it's an online service  8)

Congrats on a new program Erwin  :up:

Thanks!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: nosh on July 11, 2008, 02:08 PM
Thanks erwind,

It worked well but the 'z' was a bit messed up. Just letting you know since the service is in beta.
As you can see from the template, it probably happened coz the 'z' came a bit too close to the border, though it didn't cross it.

Font preview:
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Template:
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Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: lesterst on July 12, 2008, 06:50 PM
This is fun.  I tried it.  The process flows very nicely with good instructions all along the way.  I missed the coupon code above initially and was redirected to the paypal page but I was pretty sure you said it was free so I came back and checked and there it was.  My only disappointment, and this is not the programs fault, is that when I tried out my new font in Word, it does not look at all like my own handwriting.  So now I am thinking I would need to write out a page of normal text and then cut the letters out so they have the proper tilt and connectors, if I wanted to actually generate my handwriting. (Also, its funny, but I couldnt for the life of me remember how to write a capital F in cursive).
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: KenR on July 12, 2008, 09:31 PM
Congrats on a new program Erwin  :up:
Hi Erwin
What Mouser said above. Congratulations on what I'm sure is another fine program.
Ken
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: emerald222 on July 12, 2008, 09:35 PM
Very neat!!  Thanks so much for the find.   :up: :up:
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: wreckedcarzz on July 12, 2008, 10:10 PM
I tried the app, and printed out the page in Firefox - little did I know that FF scaled the GIF down to ~33% of its size, so when I scanned it back in @ 300DPI, it looked like my handwriting, but everything is pretty much uppercase. I am keeping the font, however, as it does look like my casual writing (minus the gigantic "O" vs "O" (capital), but... well I guess that is my normal handwriting) ;D

I love it, great job! :-*
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: vixay on July 14, 2008, 03:06 AM
That was great. I tried it out... as well... i will have to retry as it didn't come out as nicely...

Another nice idea would be to have the preview show some formatted text as well (quick brown fox... etc... or some other paragraphs), because in isolation it might look OK, but together it doesn't look that great.

The problem i had was that the bottom alignment was off for me...
writing on lines is a lot easier then writing on imaginary lines. is there a way to actually include the line in the template and then exclude the line in post processing?? Just a thought.

But it's a great idea, and thanks for the freebie! Btw, how long is the beta on till?

Plus, what happens to the signature at the end? Can we use that somehow? It's not clear from the font itself.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Deozaan on July 14, 2008, 03:15 AM
The problem i had was that the bottom alignment was off for me...
writing on lines is a lot easier then writing on imaginary lines. is there a way to actually include the line in the template and then exclude the line in post processing?? Just a thought.

Plus, what happens to the signature at the end? Can we use that somehow? It's not clear from the font itself.

If it's the same as Scanahand, then there should be an option to print faint guide lines for your letters.

As for the signature, you use the ^ (shift-6) symbol to show the signature.

EDIT: Okay, I checked it out and the template doesn't have an option for guide lines like Scanahand does. I've uploaded a template from Scanahand with the guide lines.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: gwynevans on July 14, 2008, 09:58 AM
Hmm, interesting.  I found that apart from not being able to get the bases of the letters in the right place, they all came out very small, which wasn't really apparent, or at least obvious from the preview. 

I'd suggest seeing if there's any way you can show a size 11, 'standard' char for size comparision in the preview - it might have people trying a couple more times, but they should be happier about the result.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: vixay on July 14, 2008, 10:28 PM
Has anybody tried using the scanahand template yet? Does it work on YourFont.com as well? or does it cause problems?

And GwynEvans you are right, the characters are too small, and i had to increase the font size to be able to view the text correctly...

Cool nonetheless!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 29, 2008, 09:53 AM

First of all sorry for my late reply. I was away for two weeks and although I had Internet access during that time, I couldn't post here as I forgot to write down my DC password...

It worked well but the 'z' was a bit messed up. Just letting you know since the service is in beta.

Hi nosh,

Thanks for letting me know. I've further improved the algorithm, so this should no longer happen.

I noticed you used a 96 dpi scan. For best results I recommend you use a 300 dpi scanned in image. In other words, the width should be at least 2000 pixels and the height at least 3000 pixels.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 29, 2008, 10:01 AM
Another nice idea would be to have the preview show some formatted text as well (quick brown fox... etc... or some other paragraphs), because in isolation it might look OK, but together it doesn't look that great.

Thanks for letting me know. I'll see if such feature can be added.

The problem i had was that the bottom alignment was off for me...
writing on lines is a lot easier then writing on imaginary lines. is there a way to actually include the line in the template and then exclude the line in post processing?? Just a thought.

The Scanahand template with colored guidelines made available by Deozaan can be used.

But it's a great idea, and thanks for the freebie! Btw, how long is the beta on till?

Probably a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure yet.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 29, 2008, 10:06 AM
And GwynEvans you are right, the characters are too small, and i had to increase the font size to be able to view the text correctly...

I'm not saying it's easy, even I had to try a couple of times before I was able to follow the instructions mentioned here:
http://www.yourfonts.com/complete.html

Cool nonetheless!

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: nosh on July 29, 2008, 10:37 AM
I noticed you used a 96 dpi scan. For best results I recommend you use a 300 dpi scanned in image. In other words, the width should be at least 2000 pixels and the height at least 3000 pixels.

I had scanned @600 dpi (my default setting) and the end result was way too huge so I resized it (over-wrote the file) to something that seemed more fitting for upload, which was a bit below the minimum requirement so I had to resize it again to 1000px or whatever the minimum was.  :-[

Good to know you've updated the algorithm  :up:, I got around the problem by shifting the z up a notch in a paint application.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 29, 2008, 01:04 PM
When you enlarge a too small image, you still lose a lot of the quality, better try again with a 150 or 300 dpi scan.

FYI the width must be between 1000 and 4000 while the height must be between 1000 and 5000.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: nosh on July 30, 2008, 01:15 AM
Will do, thanks again.

PS: I haven't read the online instructions too carefully but it would be a good idea to put these pixel limits in them, if you haven't already done so.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Dormouse on July 30, 2008, 01:47 AM
Well, with Deozaan's form I'll give it another go.

And the last time I tried, I had to do a lot of tweaking to get it to the right pixel size. Once it stops being a free demo, I think that nearly all the resizing ought to be done on the server, just with guidelines about ideal file size and pixel sizes (and a maximum file size limit for uploads). And some guidance about how to write in the template. I'd think ease of use would be important.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 30, 2008, 02:54 AM
And the last time I tried, I had to do a lot of tweaking to get it to the right pixel size.

No need to resize, just follow the instructions and scan in at 300 dpi.

And some guidance about how to write in the template. I'd think ease of use would be important.

Is this not sufficient?
http://www.yourfonts.com/complete.html
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Dormouse on July 30, 2008, 04:09 AM
Had to resize because scanning was to PDF & I found it needed to be an image format, so I converted & then had to resize because the prog would not take the original size. Next time, I'll change the settings and scan to jpg.

That guidance is fine - except I didn't see it when I tried it. Don't know how/why I missed it.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 30, 2008, 04:34 AM
Hi Dormouse,

Thanks for your feedback.

Had to resize because scanning was to PDF & I found it needed to be an image format, so I converted & then had to resize because the prog would not take the original size. Next time, I'll change the settings and scan to jpg.

 :Thmbsup:

That guidance is fine - except I didn't see it when I tried it. Don't know how/why I missed it.

I'm sure you're not the only one ;-) I sometimes miss the most obvious things...
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: tomos on July 30, 2008, 05:25 AM
I think it's a case of you print something out & you're on a different wavelength and start working with that without going back to instructions - I know cause thats how I work ..

another possibility would be to have the "Complete Template" page first - & then the Download/Print page (or have it at the bottom of the "Complete Template" page)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 30, 2008, 07:03 AM
Thanks for the idea.

I've added this sentence to step 1:

"Before you grab a pen, please first go to step 2 and read the instructions about how to fill out the template."

Hopefully that will help.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on July 31, 2008, 03:26 PM
I'm not sure if it's Ok to ask for help in this forum, so feel free to split this topic or ask me to take action.

I would like to allow people to also include other (mostly accented) characters. That would make a lot of people happy, especially non-English (read European) people. I've thought about it over the past couple of months, but to no avail...

It could be done by adding an additional template. So a font is then generated based on two completed templates. One as is right now (basic Latin characters like 0..9, a..z and A..Z), and the other one containing additional characters like:
ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõöøÿŒœŠšŸŽž¡¥¦¨ª«¬­¯²³´µ·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ıŁłƒ×÷

Another approach is to let the user just draw the diacritical marks, and let the generation process build the accented characters by combining a (base) letter and a diacritical mark. I'm afraid most people will fail to draw the accents correctly. Besides it takes too much time to develop.

I'm curious about your opinions. I don't want to spent too much time on the additional feature, so if it proofs to be too complex them I'll just drop the whole idea. But honestly I hope one or more DC's are able to help me out  ;)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: mouser on July 31, 2008, 03:34 PM
I agree with your intuition that having users draw accents and then trying to combine them via software is unlikely to yield satisfactory results.

I think having an additional template makes sense.  Another approach might be to have a template where users can just draw any characters they want and specify explicitly what code point each of their drawn characters maps to.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Deozaan on July 31, 2008, 04:31 PM
I think having a second template for special characters and accented letters would be the best option.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 01, 2008, 09:37 AM
Thanks mouser and Deozaan!

I've made up my mind and will go for the additional template.

Here are the additional characters:
ÀÁÂÃÄÅÇĈÈÉÊËĜĤÌÍÎÏĴŁÑÒÓÔÕÖØŜŠÙÚÛÜÝŸŽàáâãäåçĉèéêëƒĝĥıìíîïĵłñòóôõöøŝšùúûüýÿžÆŒÐÞßæœðþµ¥¦¿¡×÷ºª¹²³¼½¾«»¬­¯¨´·¸

For my own convenience I've temporarily added the corresponding code points into the cells.

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Then there are still 3 cells empty, so there is room for a couple more characters.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 01, 2008, 10:45 AM
I can imagine such huge amount of empty cells may scare people off. But no worries, only characters that are written down on the template(s) are added to the font, so if you only need a few characters, then only write those down.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Dormouse on August 01, 2008, 11:53 AM
I'd not realised that the empty cells could be used; it's really good. :-[ (again)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 01, 2008, 12:35 PM
I'd not realised that the empty cells could be used; it's really good. :-[ (again)
I'm not sure if we both understand each other. Can you please clarify your last post?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Dormouse on August 01, 2008, 12:54 PM
I'd not realised that the empty cells could be used; it's really good. :-[ (again)
I'm not sure if we both understand each other. Can you please clarify your last post?

I suspect now I got it wrong again  :-[ :-[, but i had taken these comments

Then there are still 3 cells empty, so there is room for a couple more characters.

But no worries, only characters that are written down on the template(s) are added to the font, so if you only need a few characters, then only write those down.

to mean that there could be user specified characters added to the font (even if it meant a bit of exploration to work out the keyboard entry for those items).

I see now that you meant that the empty boxes were null boxes (but that you could chose to fill them in the future) and that people could use just some of the boxes that were active, if they chose.

But it would be good to be able to define a few undefined characters. Of course, I could simply subvert a few of the specified boxes for that I suppose.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 02, 2008, 02:55 AM
The characters that can be included in the font are all predefined. If you want more characters, or if you want to modify your font(s), then you should give FontCreator a try.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Deozaan on August 02, 2008, 07:44 AM
Are all of the characters that are printed on a standard USA keyboard included?

Call me ethnocentric if you will, but those are the only ones I care about. :-[ :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 03, 2008, 01:14 PM
Are all of the characters that are printed on a standard USA keyboard included?

Call me ethnocentric if you will, but those are the only ones I care about. :-[ :)

They are all included, but with the single page template you won't be able to write this sentence:
It's a naïve façade to ask for a piña colada with crème in a déjà vu café.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 07, 2008, 06:16 PM
Just wondering whether the beta period is still active. I thought maybe there'd be an announcement here, but there're already prices posted on the site so maybe I missed it?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 11, 2008, 04:00 AM
The beta period is still going on. On the site the logo still shows a tiny "BETA".

I've made some changes to the list of additional characters:

ÀÁÂÃÄÅĄÇĆĈ
ÈÉÊËĔĜĤÌÍÎ
ÏĴŁŃÑÒÓÔÕÖ
ŐØŚŜŠÙÚÛÜŬ
ŰÝŸŹŻŽàáâã
äåąçćĉèéêë
ęƒĝĥıìíîïĵ
łńñòóôõöőø
śŝšùúûüŭűý
ÿźżžÆŒÐÞßæ
œðþµ¿¡«»¬²

With these additional characters, it should cover:
English, German, Dutch, French, Italian, Swedish, Czech, Norwegian, Danish, Polish, Spanish, Portuguese, Basque, Estonian, Faeroese, Frisian, Irish, Galician, Hungarian, Icelandic, Albanian and Esperanto

Note: this additional template page is not available yet, I'll let you know as soon as it is available.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: yksyks on August 11, 2008, 05:48 AM
To erwind:

Just at a brief look--definitely not Czech. For example these characters are missing:

ěřťňůĚŘŤŇŮ

and some others for Slovak. Do you want me to analyze it thoroughly?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 11, 2008, 06:08 AM
Thanks for letting me know, I guess I was a bit too optimistic  :-[ . I'll remove it from the list, as it is not possible to include the missing characters without adding another page, and that is out of scope right now.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: mouser on August 11, 2008, 06:34 AM
what about my suggestion of letting user add as many custom pages they want, just drawing characters and then specifying the code point values manually for each character.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 11, 2008, 08:12 AM
mouser, you suggestion might be something for a future release. Right now I want to keep the software as easy and simple as possible, as it is aimed at hobbyists. If more people  indicate such feature would be a great addition, then I'll certainly add it.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 11, 2008, 09:59 AM
The beta period is still going on. On the site the logo still shows a tiny "BETA".

Sorry -- I'm not sure how I missed that. Thanks!

I noticed that clicking on the Gallery link from the complete.html page gets me this:
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 12, 2008, 03:24 AM
I noticed that clicking on the Gallery link from the complete.html page gets me this:
  • Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in C:\wamp\www\gallery.html on line 1
Oops, missed that one. Thanks for letting me know.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 12, 2008, 06:10 AM
Glad to help -- hey, that's what BETA is all about.  :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 15, 2008, 03:09 AM
The additional template page is now available. Please give it a try, and let me know if it works. If things are not obvious or can be improved, do let me know. Thanks!

http://www.yourfonts.com/

The service is still in beta, so generate your fonts for free with this coupon:
YourFont2008
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 15, 2008, 09:35 AM
I just tried one. (Very cool service BTW!) I ran into 3 main problems.
All in all, the font came out quite nice. I did use a 300 DPI PNG file, which came out to be about 1.5 megs, so it didn't take long to upload. I can see I have to work on the horizontal positioning of a few characters, so maybe version 2 of the web app would permit tweaking after recognition.  :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 18, 2008, 03:18 PM

I just tried one. (Very cool service BTW!) I ran into 3 main problems.

Thanks Cavalcader for this most valuable feedback :Thmbsup: Several users reported the issues you mentioned, but unfortunately again and again without enough information for me to reproduce and fix the bugs. Your post allowed me to make the online service even more rock solid! I still need to find a way to allow people to use the copyright symbol, but that's just a matter of time ;-)

  • On a related note, I don't think I saw anywhere on the website that the font is created in TrueType format. I could be wrong, though, because I'm just going by what I remember seeing.

Actually the generated font is an OpenType font with TrueType outlines. Not a fancy OpenType font that contains OpenType Layout Features, but still an OpenType font. This discussion (http://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?t=1619) gives more insight into the difference between TrueType and OpenType.

All in all, the font came out quite nice. I did use a 300 DPI PNG file, which came out to be about 1.5 megs, so it didn't take long to upload. I can see I have to work on the horizontal positioning of a few characters, so maybe version 2 of the web app would permit tweaking after recognition.  :)

That's not on the to-do list. So for now I suggest you either open your template in your favorite image editing software, and move the drawn characters up or down a bit, or use FontCreator to further improve your font.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 18, 2008, 08:56 PM
Your post allowed me to make the online service even more rock solid! I still need to find a way to allow people to use the copyright symbol, but that's just a matter of time ;-)

That's great to hear! (Both.) Please post a note here once you make progress with the (c) symbol and I'll give it another shot.


Actually the generated font is an OpenType font with TrueType outlines. Not a fancy OpenType font that contains OpenType Layout Features, but still an OpenType font.

Interesting! I was just going by the TTF filename extension. I hope that doesn't make it harder to find an editor that'll let me tweak the results. I'll read the page you linked and see what I can learn.
 

I can see I have to work on the horizontal positioning of a few characters, so maybe version 2 of the web app would permit tweaking after recognition.
That's not on the to-do list.

Ever? No problem, then -- I'll dig up an editor somewhere. I think I've got one in my downloads dir. :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 25, 2008, 11:07 AM
That's great to hear! (Both.) Please post a note here once you make progress with the (c) symbol and I'll give it another shot.

Well do give it another try, as it should now be possible to name the font the way you like. But do keep in mind Windows might be confused if you name your font '@@' or ''''.

Interesting! I was just going by the TTF filename extension. I hope that doesn't make it harder to find an editor that'll let me tweak the results. I'll read the page you linked and see what I can learn.

Great! Do give FontCreator a try and let me know if you like it!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 25, 2008, 03:11 PM
Well do give it another try, as it should now be possible to name the font the way you like.
I got an error but I'm not sure what it might be related to. It popped up sometime after the recognition process started, with less than 40 seconds remaining. All it said was that it was an Uncaught Exception, which could be anything. I'm guessing it may be related to the second template page, since I tried that this time round.

I did notice that the scanned page had less white space than the first one did, so maybe it's that they weren't scanned with identical framing? If you have any specific questions about non-public info relating to the scans or filenames, feel free to PM me. I know you've got the PNG files on the server, but I'll save 'em here as well for another test run.

But do keep in mind Windows might be confused if you name your font '@@' or ''''.
I might get confused too if I do that.  ;)

Great! Do give FontCreator a try and let me know if you like it!
I'm off to download it now. Scanahand sounds interesting too! Guess it uses the same basic engine as YourFonts, huh?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 25, 2008, 05:05 PM
I got an error but I'm not sure what it might be related to.

It was due to a typo on my side, sorry  :-[

But do keep in mind Windows might be confused if you name your font '@@' or ''''.
I might get confused too if I do that.  ;)

There are people that will be curious enough to give it a try, I'm sure ;-) Maybe I'll try it myself...

Great! Do give FontCreator a try and let me know if you like it!
I'm off to download it now. Scanahand sounds interesting too! Guess it uses the same basic engine as YourFonts, huh?

That's correct, it all started with Scanahand. And now Scanahand is getting improved due to all response I received during the beta of yourfonts.com. I'm surprised how much valuable information is has given me. So thanks again for testing!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 25, 2008, 08:31 PM
I got an error but I'm not sure what it might be related to.
It was due to a typo on my side, sorry  :-[
No problem -- those things happen. I think you've got it nailed, at least for normal operation! The only thing I noticed is that while there are links at the bottom of each "step" page to supplement the ones in the column on the right, there's no such link at the bottom of step 6 to take you to the step 7 instructions (Install & Use). A minor point, but it may leave some people stuck if they're only using the page-bottom links.

That's correct, it all started with Scanahand. And now Scanahand is getting improved due to all response I received during the beta of yourfonts.com. I'm surprised how much valuable information is has given me. So thanks again for testing!
Glad to help! Thank you, too, for the nice new font. :)  Now that everything works while I'm being nice to the site, shall I try to break it for a little while by feeding it silly or incorrect stuff? I know that's normally done in testing, but I still thought I should ask first so you're prepared for nonstandard input.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 26, 2008, 03:31 AM
No problem -- those things happen. I think you've got it nailed, at least for normal operation! The only thing I noticed is that while there are links at the bottom of each "step" page to supplement the ones in the column on the right, there's no such link at the bottom of step 6 to take you to the step 7 instructions (Install & Use). A minor point, but it may leave some people stuck if they're only using the page-bottom links.

Good point! I've added the missing link to step 7. Thanks!

Glad to help! Thank you, too, for the nice new font. :)  Now that everything works while I'm being nice to the site, shall I try to break it for a little while by feeding it silly or incorrect stuff? I know that's normally done in testing, but I still thought I should ask first so you're prepared for nonstandard input.

Sure do give it a shot. I'm about to remove "BETA" from the logo, so now is the best time to make sure it's stable and robust ;-)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 26, 2008, 01:29 PM
Erwin, if the recognition process fails or crashes, does that mean everything's shut down until it can be reset? I tried a test and I just ended up sitting at the "~40 seconds" part of the process. After that, even ones that worked before failed silently also after uploading. I did try the website in another window (tab) and it stayed responsive for everything else.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 26, 2008, 03:09 PM
Erwin, if the recognition process fails or crashes, does that mean everything's shut down until it can be reset? I tried a test and I just ended up sitting at the "~40 seconds" part of the process. After that, even ones that worked before failed silently also after uploading. I did try the website in another window (tab) and it stayed responsive for everything else.

I've seen this happening as well. Most likely your web server has cached an old version of one (or more) of the JavaScript files. A forced refresh (CTRL-F5) while on the upload page should do the trick. FYI the server has processed all request. Do let me know the name of the file, font, or copyright text and I'll be able to give you more details, or even send you the generated font file.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 26, 2008, 04:25 PM
Most likely your web server has cached an old version of one (or more) of the JavaScript files.
I don't have a web server -- do you mean a browser? ;)  (I don't use a proxy server, FWIW.) All ctrl-F5 gets me is the textfields to start an upload from scratch. This is with Firefox 2, but that's what I've been using all along with success. I even cleared the browser cache, but as I'm typing this I've still been on the 40-second stage for about 10 minutes now. (Edit: looks like something is up with FF's cache -- I'll play with it some more locally.)

When I switched to IE7, it worked flawlessly. YourFonts seems bulletproof with IE, even with irregular/nonstandard input. Here's a sample -- looks like a great way to make dingbat fonts too!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 26, 2008, 05:25 PM
Most likely your web server has cached an old version of one (or more) of the JavaScript files.
I don't have a web server -- do you mean a browser? ;)

Yes, I meant Web browser ;D

All ctrl-F5 gets me is the textfields to start an upload from scratch. This is with Firefox 2, but that's what I've been using all along with success. I even cleared the browser cache, but as I'm typing this I've still been on the 40-second stage for about 10 minutes now.

I have FireFox 3, so I'm not able to test the site with FF2 right now. But I do know the site has processed all requests, so your browser is waiting for something that will never happen :huh:

When I switched to IE7, it worked flawlessly. YourFonts seems bulletproof with IE, even with irregular input.

That's good to know!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on August 26, 2008, 05:35 PM
I have FireFox 3, so I'm not able to test the site with FF2 right now. But I do know the site has processed all requests, so your browser is waiting for something that will never happen :huh:
I'm about to upgrade to FF3 as well. I've been holding out hoping for specific extensions to be updated, but FF3 fixes enough FF2 quirks that I'm not going to wait any more. Best wishes for your new web service! I'll be telling friends about it. :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: vixay on August 27, 2008, 12:12 AM
For those with a Tablet PC, there's apparently a free software from microsoft to do the same thing. I haven't tried it, but it might be a decent alternative...

My Font Tool http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=XT011961211033&CTT=5&Origin=HA011408961033 converts your handwriting into a TrueType font, making typed text appear written by hand.

i got it from the blog http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!1231.entry
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on August 27, 2008, 03:02 AM
For those with a Tablet PC, there's apparently a free software from microsoft to do the same thing. I haven't tried it, but it might be a decent alternative...
I haven't tried it either, but I've seen some fonts generated with it. It looks like it does the same thing, but the quality of the generated fonts is by far not the same.

You can find a font made with "My Font Tool" from here:
http://blog.tabletpc.com.au/tag/tablet-pc-software/

Then do generate a font with yourfonts.com and open both fonts in FontCreator to see the differences. You'll see it when you open a couple of glyphs in point mode...
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on September 05, 2008, 03:00 PM
The bad news: the beta period is over, so the coupon is no longer valid.

The good news: I've turned yourfonts.com (http://www.yourfonts.com) into a free online font generation service. This way a lot of people get the chance to make their own personal fonts. At least people who have a computer, printer and scanner and know how to use a pen. Maybe a couple of them decide to further improve their fonts with FontCreator (http://www.high-logic.com/fontcreator.html).

If you happen to know someone who would love to make a font based on his or her handwriting, do let them know. Thanks!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: vixay on September 08, 2008, 06:25 AM
Cool! What made you change your mind and make it free?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on September 08, 2008, 08:52 AM
I never was sure about making it a paid or free service. I might turn it into a paid service in a year or two, but I'm not sure yet. If it proofs to be a nice way to get people into making their own fonts (read: people buying FontCreator) then I might leave it free. I'm in no hurry and giving away things for free doesn't make me feel bad.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on September 18, 2008, 03:50 PM
You can now preview your generated font with custom text, thus even before downloading and installing the font, you know that it looks great (or not).

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

This will be the last enhancement for a while. Enjoy!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Cavalcader on September 18, 2008, 04:23 PM
You can now preview your generated font with custom text, thus even before downloading and installing the font, you know that it looks great (or not).
Nice job!
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: olepete on September 19, 2008, 09:22 PM
Your Fonts should yield 'My Font' but where is it? It's taken a while for me to master posting on the forum, hence the delay in this.
In June I purchased my font with PayPal. Every thing went well until I tried to download. I was not returned to the download page after making payment and have not been able to find a way around this. Emails to customer service at High Logic were probably not received as no reply came. Surely there must be a way to retrieve my font over which I am assured I have copywright.  :(
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on September 20, 2008, 02:56 AM
I did respond to your emails, probably ended up in your SPAM box. The font you generated is not as good as you might hope, as it seems you accidentally placed the filled-in template into the scanner, upside-down. Also the top and bottom are cut off. Both these issues should be resolved to get a good working font.

You live just a little too far away from me to personally give you your font, but I'll send you another message in a minute :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: saugata on November 04, 2008, 04:54 AM
Hi Erwin,
Even after my repeated enquiries you never mentioned or suggested regarding your font. So now I repeat my question for your font too. Is there any sdk or api for utilising or availing the services of yourfont.com?
Regards
Saugata
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on November 05, 2008, 04:03 AM
No, we don't have exactly what you need, although it might come close.

A week ago I already told you we can develop such sdk. You then told me it costs more than you are willing to pay, so I suggest you just place a link on your site to our service.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: wreckedcarzz on November 05, 2008, 11:34 PM
I went by the website again today, hoping to repair my last attempt at a handwritten font (first page of this topic). This time around I got a little nervous because I didn't see the BETA text anywhere, but it did say on the site that it is now Free, so I went ahead and did it.

As bad as my handwriting is, it'll take me a few tries to get it looking half decent on a computer screen, but it shows how YourFonts is able to process just about any form of handwriting... legible or not.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on November 06, 2008, 02:54 AM
Your handwriting seems to look better than mine  :)
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on January 23, 2009, 09:48 AM
Just a short message to say today (January 23) it's National Handwriting Day  :-*

So grab a pen and go make your own handwriting font (http://www.yourfonts.com/).
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Coeluh on May 26, 2009, 03:34 AM
Just a short message to say today (January 23) it's National Handwriting Day  :-*

So grab a pen and go make your own handwriting font (http://www.yourfonts.com/).
Why do I have to pay now :(?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on May 26, 2009, 05:16 AM
Because it is no longer free.

We started asking a fee at the end of April.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Coeluh on May 26, 2009, 02:16 PM
Because it is no longer free.

We started asking a fee at the end of April.
That's not an answer, that is just an other way of asking my question.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: tomos on May 26, 2009, 02:36 PM
Because it is no longer free.

We started asking a fee at the end of April.
That's not an answer, that is just an other way of asking my question.
looks like a pretty straight-forward answer to me . . in the big bad world it's called making a living  :D
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Coeluh on May 26, 2009, 04:41 PM
Because it is no longer free.

We started asking a fee at the end of April.
That's not an answer, that is just an other way of asking my question.
looks like a pretty straight-forward answer to me . . in the big bad world it's called making a living  :D
If I ask you: Why did all the dinosaurs die? And you say: Because they no longer live, is that a good answer?
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Dormouse on May 26, 2009, 05:06 PM
looks like a pretty straight-forward answer to me . . in the big bad world it's called making a living  :D

maybe. There are also payments to affiliates at the rate of 60% (1st 2 months) or 40% (thereafter). So only approx half the money from customers arriving from many sites goes to the living. And I'm sure Mouser hasn't signed up for here, and I've not seen a discount mentioned either, so buyers from here might be paying twice as much to the living as buyers from elsewhere. Maybe the scanahand discount will work.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on May 27, 2009, 07:39 AM
Because it is no longer free.

We started asking a fee at the end of April.
That's not an answer, that is just an other way of asking my question.

Are you seriously interested in the way we run our business, or did you ask your question out of frustration because you missed the opportunity to get the font for free?

If it is the first, then please ask a more concrete question and I will do my best to give you a more detailed answer.

If it is the last, then IHO my answer was a good answer and remains the same.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: erwind on May 27, 2009, 08:03 AM
looks like a pretty straight-forward answer to me . . in the big bad world it's called making a living  :D

maybe. There are also payments to affiliates at the rate of 60% (1st 2 months) or 40% (thereafter). So only approx half the money from customers arriving from many sites goes to the living. And I'm sure Mouser hasn't signed up for here, and I've not seen a discount mentioned either, so buyers from here might be paying twice as much to the living as buyers from elsewhere. Maybe the scanahand discount will work.
Mouser could sign up as an affiliate, but you'll still pay full price that way.
Title: Re: YourFonts - Generate a font based on your handwriting
Post by: Coeluh on May 27, 2009, 08:20 AM
Because it is no longer free.

We started asking a fee at the end of April.
That's not an answer, that is just an other way of asking my question.

Are you seriously interested in the way we run our business, or did you ask your question out of frustration because you missed the opportunity to get the font for free?

If it is the first, then please ask a more concrete question and I will do my best to give you a more detailed answer.

If it is the last, then IHO my answer was a good answer and remains the same.
What do you think? Ofcourse the last one.