So recently my sisters got a notebook as a christmas gift and we decided it was better if we had WIFI in our house so that they could connect to the internet using the notebook. Anyway my ISP installed a zyxel router and ever since then i have been having some problems. sometimes i can't surf at all because i get redirected to 192.168.1.1/zCfgTryAgain.html and i see the following message :
"object not found
The requested URL '/zCfgTryAgain.html' was not found on the RomPager Advanced server."
Turning the router on and off seems to fix it tough but it's very annoying. Another thing is that i am worried that someone might leech off my bandwidth even tough it's password protected and i have been thinking how to prevent that, any software i can use to detect thiefs?. Also I know that the 192.168.1.1 address is for router configuration but it's password protected so i can't access it, do i even need to access the router configuration?.
Anyway help would be apreciated since you guys seem pretty knowledable.-gexecuter (January 09, 2009, 03:38 PM)
So recently my sisters got a notebook as a christmas gift and we decided it was better if we had WIFI in our house so that they could connect to the internet using the notebook. Anyway my ISP installed a zyxel router and ever since then i have been having some problems. sometimes i can't surf at all because i get redirected to 192.168.1.1/zCfgTryAgain.html and i see the following message :
"object not found
The requested URL '/zCfgTryAgain.html' was not found on the RomPager Advanced server."
Turning the router on and off seems to fix it tough but it's very annoying. Another thing is that i am worried that someone might leech off my bandwidth even tough it's password protected and i have been thinking how to prevent that, any software i can use to detect thiefs?. Also I know that the 192.168.1.1 address is for router configuration but it's password protected so i can't access it, do i even need to access the router configuration?.
Anyway help would be apreciated since you guys seem pretty knowledable.-gexecuter (January 09, 2009, 03:38 PM)
I've been running a Zyxel Prestige 660HW-61 for more than 2 years and it's been very reliable apart from 2 or 3 small problems.
The only protection I use for the WiFi is 128bit WEP, MAC filtering and no SSID broadcast
IIRC, the default password for Zyxels is: 1234
I can probably help you with the configuration of it, what model are you running ?-4wd (January 09, 2009, 03:48 PM)
Experience with routers varies significantly. You'll find it difficult to pinpoint a brand that has good reviews across the board. If you're going to purchase a new unit I would suggest choosing something that it's brand new to the market and that has solid reviews.-Ehtyar (January 09, 2009, 04:12 PM)
The model that i have looking at the bottom of the router is Zyxel P-660HW-T1 V2. The password that you provided didn't work, maybe my ISP changed it? if i reset the router i should be able to configure it because the password would be cleared right?-gexecuter (January 09, 2009, 04:29 PM)
While I am running MAC filtering on my DLink WB-1310 router, it is a waste of time, according to the pundits. If your hardware supports it, you should be running WPA-2 encryption.-Darwin (January 09, 2009, 04:37 PM)
That was indeed what i meant to say. My bad, ty 4wd.Experience with routers varies significantly. You'll find it difficult to pinpoint a brand that has good reviews across the board. If you're going to purchase a new unit I would suggest choosing something that it's brand new to the market and that has solid reviews.-Ehtyar (January 09, 2009, 04:12 PM)
Actually, I would have said something that's been on the market for a while and has solid reviews.
No use buying something that's 'brand new to the market' and then 8 months later everyone suddenly finds that the mCPU in it blows up due to the date matching and IP address ;)-4wd (January 09, 2009, 04:47 PM)
128bit WEP, MAC filtering, non-broadcast SSID, static IPs and the SPI firewall are a lot simpler and just as good - the idea is to keep Joe Public out, you've got no hope against someone who's determined to get in.-4wd (January 09, 2009, 04:47 PM)
My understanding is that WEP is pretty much useless at keeping someone out, WPA can be cracked in minutes, and WPA-2 is secure. For now.-Darwin (January 09, 2009, 05:00 PM)
Pyrit (http://code.google.com/p/pyrit/) takes a step ahead in attacking WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK, the protocol that today de-facto protects public WIFI-airspace.
I'm with 4wd on this, though - you really want to keep Joe Q. Public from stealing bandwidth...-Darwin (January 09, 2009, 05:00 PM)
s long as I can keep Joe Public out of my data I don't mind if he grabs a little internet action over my WiFi if that's what turns him on.-4wd (January 09, 2009, 05:44 PM)
I don't hide my SSID, though I keep meaning to do it. DO note, however, that the pundits do not consider this worth the time or the effort, either.-Darwin (January 09, 2009, 05:00 PM)
Only compelling reason to keep someone from stealing your bandwidth is that in some US states what someone does with YOUR bandwidth is your responsibility ie the onus is on you to secure your network.-Darwin (January 09, 2009, 07:16 PM)
I'm not sure hiding the SSID is a good idea - it might make your network more interesting to hackers? "Ah, here's somebody who knows how to turn that off, they must have something interesting to hide". Especially if combined with weak protection like WEP or WPA-1. Same goes for MAC filtering.-f0dder (January 09, 2009, 11:41 PM)
Btw, what's the timeframe for cracking WPA-2? I thought that even with the latest GPU stuff, we were talking at least months with a decent passphrase?
Chris - is it connected to the internet...? I take it that the answer is "no".-Darwin (January 10, 2009, 10:11 AM)
gexecuter, there are two other things that affected the 660HW-61 that you can try before having to get into the config:
1) It's susceptible to power blips, it'll go into TTM1. Try and put it on an UPS if you're in an area with supply fluctuations.
2) It's susceptible to heat. Under the middle base it gets warm and then just stops communicating. Either support it at both sides on something, (I use 2 matchboxes - hi-tech, huh), or mount vertically to let air flow and cool it.-4wd
gexecuter, there are two other things that affected the 660HW-61 that you can try before having to get into the config:
1) It's susceptible to power blips, it'll go into TTM1. Try and put it on an UPS if you're in an area with supply fluctuations.
2) It's susceptible to heat. Under the middle base it gets warm and then just stops communicating. Either support it at both sides on something, (I use 2 matchboxes - hi-tech, huh), or mount vertically to let air flow and cool it.-4wd
Funny that you mention power blips since in my house the power goes out very frequently. Something about the electrical sockets. I wish i could afford an UPS but i can't.-gexecuter (January 10, 2009, 04:50 PM)
About the heat stuff, i think i could come with something. even tough i can't think of something right now.
btw any of those two issues can affect my speeds?
PS: i don't think my ISP would give me router's password because when the tech came to my home he said i couldn't change the Wifi network password or something like that.
More and more I realize that the internet now is both the biggest convenience and the biggest curse on the planet.
This thread is another painful reminder of the prodigious amounts of money and time wasted on trying to make our machines safe.
[/gof]-cranioscopical (January 10, 2009, 10:47 AM)
I have just set up a machine that is to be used for a limited set of business purposes only.
It has no need to be connect to another machine in any way.
It just sits there, isolated, doing its job.
None of its capacity is wasted on trying to protect itself.
What a relief it is to deal with something so simple.-cranioscopical (January 10, 2009, 08:54 AM)
I hope you are having fun in your vacation 4WD!-gexecuter (January 12, 2009, 08:23 PM)
I dunno what electrical problem in my house is actually, all i know is something when we start some devices (like microwaves, electrical water heaters,etc.) the power goes out. It reallly hasn't caused much trouble since no stuff has been burned so it's just very annoying.
I did what you told me and put 4 matchboxes below the router, low tech but it works.
My ISP is indeed telefonica chile, i did try their name as the password with no luck. I dunno what username and password are you talking about.
The only password that the tech guy gave was for connecting to the wifi in the notebook. If you mean the user/password that i had to use before i had the router then yes i do have that.
I don't plan resetting the router anytime soon but one thing is tempting me, the Media Bandwidth Management is for splitting the bandwith right? i could use that to give my PC and the notebook a 50/50 % of bandwith each right? that could be really useful.
Thank you so much for replying 4WD and good timing too since i have a certain internet problem that hopefully you (and other people too) could help me with, i finally found the router's password which i hope would let me fix this annoying problem. I am just going to repost what i already had written awhile ago, take a look:
Recently i have been having a lot of problems with my internet and my ISP is basically useless since every method that they have suggested has failed. Basically sometimes when i go to a webpage i get redirected to "http://192.168.1.1/zCfgTryAgain.html" and get the Following message:
Object Not Found
The requested URL '/zCfgTryAgain.html' was not found on the RomPager Advanced server.
if i try any other site is the same thing and i also can't download anything so for all intents and purposes i have no internet. This used to happen before but for only minutes however recently it has lasted for hours even i reboot the PC and the router. After doing a google search the only thing i could learn is that the "http://192.168.1.1/zCfgTryAgain.html" is shown when the DSL line is not up which doesn't me help at all. My router is a Zyxel P-660HW-T1 v2 and i have the password for it so i was wondering if any of you could help me in figuring out the problem. I have also attached a screenshot showing all of you what i see when my internet is down.-gexecuter (March 11, 2009, 10:10 AM)
Edit: oh yeah i also remembered that a very long time ago my isp changed my modem into an USB one because i couldn't connect to the internet with the regular modem, i think it was a problem with my ethernet port on my PC that screwed things because i never had a problem with the USB modem so i am wondering if this time it could be the same thing since the router uses the same ethernet port.
So just now the internet came back however it's not like before, some pages won't fully load and some won't load at all until i make a manual reload. Anyway i went to Maintenance->System Status and i got the IP, netmask and VPI/VCI info, there was also a default gateway that read N/A. I dunno if that's important.-gexecuter (March 11, 2009, 08:42 PM)
The ATM Loopback test has failed every time that i have tried it. I also did the Upstream/Downstream Noise Margins test and here what i got:
Upstream Noise Margin
noise margin upstream: 25 db
output power downstream: 14 db
attenuation upstream: 31 db
Downstream Noise Margin
noise margin downstream: 33 db
output power upstream: 12 db
attenuation downstream: 56 db
I think my ISP is in Santiago , Chile which according to google maps is at a distance of 120 KM. I have no idea if these results are good or bad tough, probably bad considering my bad connection.
My Router lights have always been green, i don't think i have ever seen them being amber. They flash tough. Oh sometimes the DSL and the internet lights would be off.
The router is connected to a little box on the wall in my room, the box has a wire that goes to another other room where the only phone of the house is located. The box (i dunno how to call it) has a slot where you can put another phone line and that's pretty much what i can tell you about the box.
Sure tomorrow i'll send you screenshots of the router's configuration pages, hopefully you were joking about that stuff.
And thanks for helping me out 4WD.
The 'noise margin' and 'output power' are fine however the 'attenuation downstream' is, to put it bluntly, crap. A figure of 56db means you're receiving just under 1/500,000 of the signal strength as sent from the ADSL equipment in the exchange.
That's their head office - where they hide, charge you money and provide little support.
If your internet connection was provided from Santiago you wouldn't have any internet at all - the maximum effective distance at which ADSL1 can be used reliably is about 7-8km. ADSL2(+) can extend that a little but not much.
Your ADSL connection is provided over your phone line from the local telephone exchange to your house - somewhere in your town there will be a rather drab building, (or possibly in the back of the post office if the building is big enough), marked Telephone Exchange. Someone around town should be able to tell you where it is, (Police, Fire Depart., etc). When you find it, measure the shortest distance between it and your house on your bike or in your car, (the actual distance the copper cable runs will be longer). Or just ask the company who provides your phone service how long the cable run between your house and the exchange is - you might get someone helpful who'll tell you.
Depending on how far away it is will help determine where the problem might lie, (eg. if it's <3km then the fault is possibly crappy wire joins or faulty equipment).
You could try unplugging the phone line from the back of the router 3 or 4 times to clean it's connection, the same where the line from the router plugs into the box on the wall. Plug/socket connections tarnish over time and that can introduce resistance into the circuit.
It could be that the ADSL filter itself has developed a fault or that any joins along the length of cable from the box on the wall all the way back to the telephone exchange have gone high resistance
No problem.
One other thing, on the Maintenance->System Status page there's a button marked 'Show Statistics', click on it and watch the stats for the WAN Port - ideally you don't want to see any Errors there.
19 of march update: Looks like i jumped the gun again, since monday i have been having frequent disconnects.The DSL and internet lights of my router go off for hours and they light up again after some time which can take hours, what's funny it's that when the internet comes back now it's back 100% not like before which was slow. My ISP went beyond useless yesterday when i got in touch with a guy that told me that he couldn't do anything, i really hate my ISP now. Today i tested the router's ethernet cable with the notebook to see what happenned, no change. Same thing when i swapped the cable (i had a spare) that goes from the router to the phone socket on the wall, no change. I have also noticed that the internet tends to come back when i try to call my ISP, i dunno if it's just a coincidence or if god likes to screw with me but i though it was worth mentioning. Sorry for presenting you with this problem 4WD when is my ISP that should help me, maybe i am being too soft with my dealings with them and should scream or something.-gexecuter (March 15, 2009, 08:29 PM)
The 'noise margin' and 'output power' are fine however the 'attenuation downstream' is, to put it bluntly, crap. A figure of 56db means you're receiving just under 1/500,000 of the signal strength as sent from the ADSL equipment in the exchange.
That sucks, maybe that was the cause of my problems but we can't really know for sure since this is the first time i have ever done that test. Does having my sister's notebook connected to the router affect the test somehow? i am gonna run the test tomorrow with the notebook off to see if something changes.
Depending on how far away it is will help determine where the problem might lie, (eg. if it's <3km then the fault is possibly crappy wire joins or faulty equipment).
You could try unplugging the phone line from the back of the router 3 or 4 times to clean it's connection, the same where the line from the router plugs into the box on the wall. Plug/socket connections tarnish over time and that can introduce resistance into the circuit.
It could be that the ADSL filter itself has developed a fault or that any joins along the length of cable from the box on the wall all the way back to the telephone exchange have gone high resistance
I didn't know that stuff about ADSL1 and ADSL12 at all. The next time i am in town i might ask around about that special building, it could be kinda awkward asking my ISP directly. I may try unplugging the phone lines once in awhile to clean tough how do you actually clean it thoroughly?
One other thing, on the Maintenance->System Status page there's a button marked 'Show Statistics', click on it and watch the stats for the WAN Port - ideally you don't want to see any Errors there.
When my connection was down i actually went there, it changed between "down", "initializating" and "up", there was a bunch of other stats like packages i think. Oh yeah i forgot to take a pic of that page and send it to you like i did the others, do you want it too?
Just from the symptoms you're describing, (barring a hardware fault with your ISPs DSLAM or the router), my vote goes with a cable fault of some kind.
I don't know if your ISP is also your telephone service provider, (TSP), but I'd be reporting a fault on the line of "intermittent disconnection" for your phone calls to your TSP, at the very least it should cause your telephone line to be tested from the exchange for faults such as Low Insulation Resistance (usually caused by rainy weather and poorly weather-proofed cable joints), High Loop Resistance (usually poorly done cable joints) and Excessive Line Capacitance (too many phones plugged in or some idiot has paralleled it with another unterminated cable pair).
If your TSP is really on the ball, (or at least halfway decent), they will also send a tech out to check the wiring connections at your house and check/change the phone.
The fault you're reporting isn't exactly true, (ie. it's happening on the ADSL not the phone), but since your ISP is absolutely useless, (they should have reported a possible cable fault to your TSP), then I'd have no compunction about reporting a fault on your telephone.
Just do not let the telephone people know that the fault is really to do with your ADSL otherwise you'll probably get charged a callout fee, (that's if you aren't already, here in Australia it depends on how much you pay per month for the service as to whether it includes free fault repair).
If they send a tech out, get friendly, offer him/her a cuppa and ask questions about your service like you're interested smiley (Unless they're the uncommunicative, "P!ssoff, I'm working." type.)
eg.
Is my phone line copper all the way back to the exchange?
Just out of interest, was my line within acceptable limits for Loop and Insulation Resistance?
Where is the exchange, I don't remember ever seeing it?
From the brief visit I recently had to Chile, I found the people to be rather helpful. Of course, I was a tourist blundering about not someone who actually helps to pay their wages.
Won't make a difference, those are purely the figures from the line side of the router back to the exchange - it doesn't take into account anything connected via WLAN or LAN.
Not knowing what type of plug/socket they use in Chile, the best/easiest way would be to (un)plug the plug half a dozen or so times, this is normally enough for a decent "clean" - more than I usually do.
It woud be interesting to note whether it was reporting any errors and if that count kept incrementing.
BTW, did the ISP provide the Zyxel and still they own it or did you actually buy it as part of their package ?