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Main Area and Open Discussion => General Software Discussion => Topic started by: Dormouse on June 05, 2011, 07:10 AM
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I'm just wondering what people are using for web clipping at the moment.
I've noticed that a number of my previous addons/extensions have stopped working with the latest versions of various browsers (eg ie & FF have broken a few).
Ultra Recall still works on FF5 but not ie9, Chrome or Opera; of course, it does work in its own browser too;
Evernote works in everything except FF5 (I assume they will update fairly soon as they seem the most active in updating);
OneNote works in ie & Chrome, but not FF5 or Opera.
I use Evernote for bits and pieces. Really useful, especially with the web access & mobile apps, but not for heavy duty work.
So at the moment, that leaves me having to use the browser that suits the prog I want to clip to (& can't rely on that always working in the future).
And neither Ultra Recall nor OneNote work in Opera, which is my favourite browser; I am used to that, of course, so I have got used to the inconvenience.
Sometimes I just use Clipmate or Snagit & organise later.
But it all leaves me wondering whether there is a better way.
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I have been testing this FF add-on.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/send-to-my-cloud/
Works with 4.1, don't know about other versions of FF.
Still being developed-works with some browsers, it says.
http://www.send-to-my-cloud.com/?from=firefoxplugingallery
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Evernote using the Firefox add-on. I used to use Read it Later until I got annoyed with it crying about a page not being an article. I am trying to remember to tag Evernote clips as "unread" when I am using for the same purpose as Read it Later. You might want to look at Shareaholic too, which can clip to a customizable variety of web based services.
There's a Firefox 5 in beta already? I may have to check it out, although I hate when addons are broken.
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Evernote works in everything except FF5-Dormouse
Which version are you using? Does it have the "Universal Clipper," and if so, does that work with FF5?
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I don't use the newest Firefox because last time I checked, my mainstay app Canaware NetNotes does NOT work with FF4.x. >:(
If it ends up not being supported on FF4, I'd rather switch browsers than give it up. :'(
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I don't use the newest Firefox because last time I checked, my mainstay app Canaware NetNotes does NOT work with FF4.x. >:(
-40hz
having a look:
it claims to (now) work with FF4
http://www.canaware.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=534
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Which version are you using? Does it have the "Univqersal Clipper," and if so, does that work with FF5?
-rjbull
V4. No universal clipper for this one as far as I can see. I could use an old version, but I don't often use FF anyway. Pretty sure they will have a clipper working with it soon. Could also stick to v4 of FF but not really any point since I don't use it.
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I don't use the newest Firefox because last time I checked, my mainstay app Canaware NetNotes does NOT work with FF4.x. >:(
-40hz
having a look:
it claims to (now) work with FF4
http://www.canaware.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=534
-tomos
@tomos- thx! I'll have to try it out on the portable version of FF4 tonight. If it works it may be just enough to get me to go over to the new version once it has a little more time to get the kinks worked out.
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I used to use Read it Later until I got annoyed with it crying about a page not being an article.
-daddydave
Eh? What do you mean?
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I used to use Read it Later until I got annoyed with it crying about a page not being an article.
-daddydave
Eh? What do you mean?
-wraith808
Yeah! +1. Never had anything like that happen w/RIL. Whassup with that? Was it something like a PDF that got opened in a browser window? :huh:
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Like this for example
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
For this particular URL, I seem to get the "not an article" whimper only on my iPod Touch, not on my PC. Just noticed that.
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^ What's the URL? Is it just roku.com, or some other child URL?
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Sound like its another Apple browser user agent issue although I haven't run into that on my iPhone yet (knock wood).
Guess it's to be expected when you're using a device and software made by a company that thinks the entire universe begins and ends at it's own property line. ;D
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I duplicated the problem- I think it's because of the format of Roku's home page. Roku's homepage is pretty much graphical- that's probably what it means by it's not an article. The article parser parses the text, and roku.com has a minimal amout of that.
You can report the pages here (http://support.readitlaterlist.com/discussions/problems/66-report-pages-not-saving-well-offline-here), but I think that pages like that one would fall outside of the parser on mobile devices, which is why it recommends looking at them in the web page view.
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Which oddly I can't find on the PC version of Read It Later even though they both use the same account.
For comparison, I selected the same and right clicked and added to Evernote from my PC and pulled it up on the iPod Touch.
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Much more readable than Read it Later Full Web Page View on the same device (two fingered spread-to-zoom gestures notwithstanding).
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
And of course RIL doesn't let you select the actual area you want clipped, which is seemingly related to its pickiness about articleness. :)
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I use CintaNotes (http://www.cintanotes.com) for fast clips of short bits of text because it is so fast and convenient. For larger articles and stuff that includes images and formatting I use Surfulater (http://www.surfulater.com/).
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I use CintaNotes (http://www.cintanotes.com) for fast clips of short bits of text because it is so fast and convenient. For larger articles and stuff that includes images and formatting I use Surfulater (http://www.surfulater.com/).
-Jibz
I use Surfulater for everything, even the small things I used to put in CintaNotes and several similar programs. The main reason I didn't respond to suggest Surfulater is that the O.P. seemed to be looking for something that would work well with Opera. Surfulater used to be able to do so, thanks to some instructions in Surfulater's old forum. However, as far as I can tell, those instructions no longer work with Opera 11.11 (the current version). According to some messages in the Opera forum, the problem began with Opera 11.01. It's a pity, because Surfulater is a terrific (though admittedly rather pricey) program.
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The main reason I didn't respond to suggest Surfulater is that the O.P. seemed to be looking for something that would work well with Opera. Surfulater used to be able to do so, thanks to some instructions in Surfulater's old forum. However, as far as I can tell, those instructions no longer work with Opera 11.11 (the current version). According to some messages in the Opera forum, the problem began with Opera 11.01. It's a pity, because Surfulater is a terrific (though admittedly rather pricey) program.
-cyberdiva
I remember being interested in Surfulater before I bought UR (I seem to remember reports of UR capturing web pages more accurately) and have kept half an eye on it since. Never enough to buy it even on BdJ days. And I do already have quite a lot of ways of doing this, so there has to be a compelling reason to acquire another. Always open to compelling reasons though. Working with Opera might be one; although I cope OK with using other browsers when I'm acquiring info, it would be much more convenient to always do it in the one I am using.
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But it all leaves me wondering whether there is a better way.
-Dormouse
Try:
<https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=26966>
15+ useful Chrome Extensions you might not have heard of <https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=26966.msg251347>
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I have the same kind of problem and situation - I also use Opera and i have 3 different inconsistent things I use none of which is perfect. My main constraint is that it needs to work off a key or the web, because a key function is to be able to capture something that comes up while at work or on the road, and capture it
what i use:
- diigo. bookmarking with highlighting and snippets + can keep a cache of pages (not 100% reliable alas). Just not enough that can be done with it afterwards if you are aggregrating for writing or organising (lists, groups and slideshows, good for sharing but not for writing, imo). Has great extensions in other browsers and a more limited diigolet in Opera. Perhaps it will port its extensions to Opera
- opera notes. very simple but because it is sync'd and accessible at my.opera.com it is extremely useful for all sorts of tidbits of information and often to write/prepare for writing. The capture from opera *and* the fact that they can be used as quick paste tools mean I use them all the time... I really should see whether something can be done to access/manage opera notes on the desktop from one of the outliner tools perhaps, that could be very interesting
- local website archive - a bit clunky to capture from opera and alas can only do full page, so I use it less than I once did due the the clutter it generates. I used to use it all the time as my main tool but it kind of stayed behind in time.
So I am looking at tools too :)
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On a related note, any other Surfulater users having trouble with the Chrome plugin? It seems to randomly disappear and I have to reinstall it :huh:.
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Agree with the comments about Local Website Archive. I love that it saves pages in html, but it does not seem to be updated much.
- The search is somewhat powerful but never quite what I'm looking for.
- No "virtual folders" or tags (asked the author about this and he's not planning these) makes organization really tough
- No multi-page capture means if an article does not support single page view you get a bunch of entries for the same article (once again, asked about this but not going to be supported)
I've toyed with using priprinter and a pdf creation tool to make pdfs that I could store in other ways using other tools, but havent done that yet.
Understand the OP is looking for snippets and this is more about whole pages... but I havent found much for either. I dont like that programs tend to store all this stuff in their own format.
Why cant we have something like IDImager or what benubird was talking abou t (havent seen any updates recently): a database on top of the original files so we can add metadata and organize, but view the content regardless.
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Agree with the comments about Local Website Archive. I love that it saves pages in html, but it does not seem to be updated much. -kfitting
I use it when I want to make an accurate verbatim copy of a page, but not much for anything else. I mostly use EverNote 2.2 for general stuff. I tried UR for a while, but it seemed just too complicated.
- No multi-page capture means if an article does not support single page view you get a bunch of entries for the same article (once again, asked about this but not going to be supported)
I once used IDM = Internet Download Manager (http://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/) to download most of a Web site, which worked quite well, but I wouldn't rate it a routine operation.
There have been a few mentions of Canaware NetNotes (http://www.canaware.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=575) on DC, but I haven't tried it. FreewareGenius review is Canaware NetNotes: capture web pages then store and edit them within a local knowledge base (http://www.freewaregenius.com/2009/04/02/canaware-netnotes-capture-web-pages-then-store-and-edit-them-within-a-local-knowledge-base/).
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@Dormouse: What about Scrapbook add-on for Firefox? (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/scrapbook/) :Thmbsup:
It always seems to work without problem for me.
It would be nice if it were available for Chromium/Chrome too.
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I use IQ (InfoQube) -- surprise! -- for all clipping (web or whatever). :P
I've got thousands of clips in there, all tagged etc.
The universal clipper works everywhere. But the "HiFi" clipper (full pages, "verbatim") only works with FF 4 (and earlier, of course) and IE 8.
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Just a heads up that CintaNotes have released their first professional version:
License is needed to unlock the following features:
* Multiple notebook files support
* Pasting notes into other applications
* Export to HTML
* Tag usage counts on Tag Sidebar
P.S. Can't believe web clipping died. I just discovered Canaware today. Didn't realize it was mentioned here by 40hz of all people.
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I bought RightNote in the recent/current BdJ sale. As I was using it I was wondering whether it had any edge at all over Ultra Recall, apart from more active development and a more positive vibe amongst users, and then I found that it clipped perfectly well from Opera (even if I did have to use a clipboard shortcut to do it). So, for the moment, I'm hopeful that I will be able to use it, together with Evernote, as my main clipper. 8)
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I've found myself slightly uncomfortable with RightNote's Web clipping. You can make a new clip with a RightNote hotkey, and add to the current clip with another, but the tree pane doesn't scroll to keep the current item in view. That means you can't see whether everything is OK without constantly scrolling the tree. I wanted the hotkey to make a new note, and make that the current one, with tree pane scrolled to keep it in view.
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I've found myself slightly uncomfortable with RightNote's Web clipping. You can make a new clip with a RightNote hotkey, and add to the current clip with another, but the tree pane doesn't scroll to keep the current item in view. That means you can't see whether everything is OK without constantly scrolling the tree. I wanted the hotkey to make a new note, and make that the current one, with tree pane scrolled to keep it in view.
-rjbull
Have you tried Surfulater? It does keep the latest clip in view. (I tried RightNote a few months ago as an alternative to Surfulater (which I've been using for many years) but I found Surfulater still superior for web clipping - I'm not commenting on RN's other features).
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Have you tried Surfulater?-dr_andus
No. Thanks for reminding me. I probably should have tried Surfulater, especially as the author has been active on DC. But, it's quite expensive, even with a discount, and I can still use EverNote 2.2, the last desktop edition, which I paid for. It works well but isn't developed or available since they went cloud. I'm keeping an eye open for still-developed programs that work as conveniently. I suppose I should try UltraRecall again, too.
[Edit at UK time 2012-11-29, 20:52:-]
Humph. Just checked the UltraRecall Web site. There's been a major-version upgrade, which would be $50, but few users are biting, saying there are too few new features to justify the cost. Most still think it's a good program as-is, though.
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I probably should have tried Surfulater, especially as the author has been active on DC. But, it's quite expensive, even with a discount, and I can still use EverNote 2.2, the last desktop edition, which I paid for. It works well but isn't developed or available since they went cloud. I'm keeping an eye open for still-developed programs that work as conveniently. I suppose I should try UltraRecall again, too.
[Edit at UK time 2012-11-29, 20:52:-]
Humph. Just checked the UltraRecall Web site. There's been a major-version upgrade, which would be $50, but few users are biting, saying there are too few new features to justify the cost. Most still think it's a good program as-is, though.
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-rjbull
I always thought of Surfulater as quite expensive and not doing anything but clipping - and then not working with Opera. So I never even got around to trying it. Seems to be a good web clipper though.
With Evernote, remember that you can use the current version without going anywhere near the cloud. It's not the same as 2.2, but for me the advantages now make it more useful than 2.2 ever was.
I'd go along with the comments on Ultra Recall. The old & current versions work perfectly well but development and support is not the same as it used to be. (And it doesn't work with Opera :( ) Might be worth trying if a really large discount comes up on BdJ, but probably not if you only want a web clipper (it does do a lot of other things).
I've found myself slightly uncomfortable with RightNote's Web clipping. You can make a new clip with a RightNote hotkey, and add to the current clip with another, but the tree pane doesn't scroll to keep the current item in view. That means you can't see whether everything is OK without constantly scrolling the tree. -rjbull
I don't really want to move away from the browser when I clip, so that is fine by me - and anyway the mere fact that it works with Opera will make up for any number of other deficiencies. Even having to use the keyboard.
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With Evernote, remember that you can use the current version without going anywhere near the cloud. It's not the same as 2.2, but for me the advantages now make it more useful than 2.2 ever was. -Dormouse
I keep forgetting the current version can be used "out of the cloud," though I'd be wary of installing it in case it overwrites my current and useful 2.2 setup. What new features do you like so much?
I'd go along with the comments on Ultra Recall. The old & current versions work perfectly well but development and support is not the same as it used to be. (And it doesn't work with Opera :( ) Might be worth trying if a really large discount comes up on BdJ, but probably not if you only want a web clipper (it does do a lot of other things).-Dormouse
Authors rarely offer discounts on upgrades, unfortunately. So it was with UR. In fact, when BdJ last had a UR discount, the cost of a new v.4 installation was on a par with their normal upgrade price.
I've found myself slightly uncomfortable with RightNote's Web clipping. You can make a new clip with a RightNote hotkey, and add to the current clip with another, but the tree pane doesn't scroll to keep the current item in view. That means you can't see whether everything is OK without constantly scrolling the tree. -rjbull
I don't really want to move away from the browser when I clip, so that is fine by me - and anyway the mere fact that it works with Opera will make up for any number of other deficiencies. Even having to use the keyboard.-Dormouse
Like UR, RightNote will do lots of other things... My problem wasn't so much clipping an entire new entity, as when I wanted to clip several bits from a page and assemble them into a single note. I.e., first clip is a new note, several subsequent ones are additions to that same note. Because I couldn't see what note I was adding to, I was nervous about messing things up, and because RN didn't seem to automatically make a new note the current note, I had to go back and forth anyway.
The author of AllMyNotes (http://www.vladonai.com/) doesn't seem to like hotkeys. Instead of adding a clipping hotkey, he suggests using click.to (http://www.clicktoapp.com/). I haven't tried it, so don't know if you'd find it more comfortable than a hotkey.
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I'm curious:
a couple of people have commented about knowing where the clipped item goes.
Can you clarify what you mean when saying that:
when adding a new clip you can/cannot see what clip you are adding it to?
For comaprision
I'm using InfoQube - when I add a clip from FF (or via paste), a dialogue window opens with the web-clip. If I leave it open, I can add multiple clips to the first.
Which is grand (for me). When I eventually click on OK, the clip gets added to my inbox. I go to my inbox later and can move it around or give it whatever properties I want - which means it will display in different 'grids'/under different tabs.
If I copy a new clip, I am unable to add it to a previous clip (unless I go find it, and paste it in that saved clip - I'll prob have to also go copy/paste the url).
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a couple of people have commented about knowing where the clipped item goes.
Can you clarify what you mean when saying that:
when adding a new clip you can/cannot see what clip you are adding it to?-tomos
I think it's only me complaining:
RN is a two-pane organiser. The images show the foot of the node tree.
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Image 1 is as-is. Next I clipped a portion of a Web page (this one), pressed Ctrl+C, sent it to the clipboard. Then press the hotkey I've defined for Clip to New Note in RN (actually, you don't need to press Ctrl+C, just the RN global hotkey will suffice, like CintaNote). Image 2 shows the tree after the new note is added. Notice that the cursor is still on the same note as before; you can only see there's a new note underneath because there's slightly more space under the scroll bar. In Image 3 I've scrolled the scroll bar down to show it, cursor staying in the same place. It looks like that same note is the current one, not the new note. I've also had some inconsistency using Clip to Current Note, i.e. add more to current note. Maybe this is me not being familiar enough with RN, but though its Web clips are good, I'm finding it confusing.
I'm using InfoQube-tomos
From what I've heard InfoQube users saying, it's too complicated for me! Expensive, too, if you have to pay the full price.
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^ Gotcha, thanks.
I'm using InfoQube-tomos
From what I've heard InfoQube users saying, it's too complicated for me! Expensive, too, if you have to pay the full price.
-rjbull
yeah, it does need some work to make it more user friendly.
I cant compare it to many apps. Lets see, related: I have used Surfulater and Evernote. It is more complex - but that does also mean (in this case) that there is much more flexibility/capability. You dont have to get into (most of that) complexity unless you need it. TBH, I dont very much - I'm a *fairly* basic user of the majority of software I use, including IQ.
I started using it for other things (work: tracking job/file status) but did get a lot of help with that (great trade off: learn a complex programme when in beta - you get a huge amount of help setting it up). Once I got it set up -with that help- I just use it. So, I guess I should say that aspects that I use could be called advanced ;-)
For web content *for me* it's mostly a case of being a dumping ground and then search. I can though -very easily- sort in (multiple) hierarchies (also multiple times in the same hierarchy), and show in multiple pages/grids/views. Inbuilt tagging is weak but if you learn filtering it's more or less the same. Search suffices too - either way though - you dont (currently) get that overview of tags.
Re "The Price" -I'm not sure what that is - it's still in beta. I have donated, that will go towards my license when it is released.
PS I am/was a big fan of Surfulator - with IQ I just happen to have an app that kind of covers everything, so I use that ;-)
There are pros and cons to using multiple apps for various uses (maybe they're just segregated by theme/topic even) - or using a single app for multiple uses.
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I'm using InfoQube [...]
For web content *for me* it's mostly a case of being a dumping ground and then search.-tomos
Me too. That is, I don't need to compile a selection of web clips into a coherent whole and make a report on them.
Re "The Price" -I'm not sure what that is - it's still in beta. I have donated, that will go towards my license when it is released.-tomos
I didn't realise it was still in beta. I seem to recall that beta testers were offered a fairly good deal, but would still like a good idea of what it's going to eventually cost. However, I think my days of major data munging are over, it's just personal interest now.
There are pros and cons to using multiple apps for various uses (maybe they're just segregated by theme/topic even) - or using a single app for multiple uses.-tomos
On that matter, you might be interested in Dormouse's post, here: Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2362.msg308813#msg308813)
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I didn't realise it was still in beta. I seem to recall that beta testers were offered a fairly good deal, but would still like a good idea of what it's going to eventually cost. However, I think my days of major data munging are over, it's just personal interest now.
-rjbull
I can send you a free personal license if you want. :Thmbsup:
Pierre
IQ Designer
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I can send you a free personal license if you want. :Thmbsup:-PPLandry
That's very gracious and generous, please do! I can't promise to make any genuinely useful comments, though.
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I can send you a free personal license if you want. :Thmbsup:-PPLandry
That's very gracious and generous, please do! I can't promise to make any genuinely useful comments, though.
-rjbull
Simply PM me with your name and email (used in generating the license key) and I'll have IQ send you an email with the licensing info it generated 8)
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I'm using InfoQube - when I add a clip from FF (or via paste), a dialogue window opens with the web-clip. If I leave it open, I can add multiple clips to the first.
Which is grand (for me). When I eventually click on OK, the clip gets added to my inbox. I go to my inbox later and can move it around or give it whatever properties I want - which means it will display in different 'grids'/under different tabs.
If I copy a new clip, I am unable to add it to a previous clip (unless I go find it, and paste it in that saved clip - I'll prob have to also go copy/paste the url).
-tomos
FYI, the latest version (v0.9.26PreRel6) can join items and merge their HTML content into a single item. This should help in the situation you just described.
HTH !
Pierre
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^ thanks Pierre :Thmbsup: