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Title: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: masu on August 05, 2006, 12:58 PM
Take the Maxthon survey, Receive a Maxthon 2.0 passport invitation as a "thank you"

http://beta.maxthon.com/survey/


List of new features
http://maxthon.neo101.nl/featureguide/maxthon2newFeatures.html

Think Maxthon is still the best Multi Browser AddOn on the net !!
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 05, 2006, 01:18 PM
Maxthon 2.0 is nice, but they got rid of several key features from the 1.0 series. The one I miss the most is CTRL+TAB and CTRL+SHIFT+TAB for tab navigation. This is a standard key combo in every other tabbed browser, and now they changed it to CTRL+LEFT and CTRL+RIGHT, which is ok if you dont mind it, but I prefer being able to use one hand to navigate tabs.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: masu on August 05, 2006, 01:21 PM
It is still a preview
I think in Final version you can setup the keyboard  shortcuts for your own
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: nudone on August 05, 2006, 01:22 PM
thanks for the info, masu.

er, might be a dumb question, but do i need the new internet explorer 7 to be able to run the new maxthon - they look very similar.

i love maxthon but i'll keep away from trying the new version just yet if it means installing the new ie7.

now off to fill in the survey...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: masu on August 05, 2006, 01:27 PM
NO, it works with IE6
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: nudone on August 05, 2006, 01:51 PM
good to hear.

just waiting for my invitation email to arrive...

will i be able to keep my current maxthon version whilst trying out the new version?
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 05, 2006, 01:57 PM
Yes, it installs to maxthon2 directory and keeps individual settings
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: nudone on August 05, 2006, 02:20 PM
ah, good. thanks, josh.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: vegas on August 05, 2006, 05:12 PM
Thanks for the heads up, these days I just use Maxthon as backup to firefox.  I do miss how much faster it could load a group of pages than firefox does, hopefully there will be exhaustive improvements, including memory usage in the new version.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: dironman on August 05, 2006, 08:02 PM
Free download here if you don't like surveys. :)

http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Maxthon--Beta-Download-6199.html
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 05, 2006, 08:05 PM
You still need a registration email addy. The download will do no good if you dont have a registered email addy with the maxthon folks. Believe me, I tried.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: nudone on August 06, 2006, 12:53 AM
unfortunately, i'm still waiting for a maxthon key to arrive in my inbox.

can someone please say how long it took for theirs to arrive.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: JavaJones on August 06, 2006, 02:05 AM
Maxthon 1.x hasn't "clicked" for me yet - I'm still an Avant fan for tabbed IE shells. But 2.0 sounds like it has a lot of cool stuff. I'll check it out. Thanks! :)

Edit: took about 1 minute for the invite email to arrive. Looks like something may have gone wrong Nudone.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: nudone on August 06, 2006, 02:29 AM
thanks for letting me know about the time, javajones.

i think i'll just forget about it now then and wait for the official release. i'm plenty happy with the current version - once you've moved the interface around a bit.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 06, 2006, 03:15 AM
Maxthon seems pretty nice... I like that there's a plugin SDK. And it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much faster than firefox.

But I do miss some firefox plugins in it, and I'm not all that happy about the security holes in IE. So I'll probably switch back to firefox and moan about it's slowness and bloatedness.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Baseman on August 06, 2006, 07:18 AM
How do you compare Maxthon 2.0 to Firefox and IE...Speed,Security ect?...Any advice?...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: masu on August 06, 2006, 07:57 AM
Think the interface and speed are the most pros for Maxthon.

For security I think it is the same like FF or Opera if you have installed the latest IE patches.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Baseman on August 06, 2006, 09:58 AM
Think the interface and speed are the most pros for Maxthon.

For security I think it is the same like FF or Opera if you have installed the latest IE patches.
Thanks, it makes sense...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 06, 2006, 01:24 PM
Hm, I think there's unpatched security holes for IE... so you need to basically disable java and javascript or manage your "secure zones" pretty well. Maxthon (and Avant) do seem to incorporate a bit of extra security, but the thing that made me move to FireFox was that some IE exploit got through Avant, and trojanized my system... that was from a period where I didn't run any AV either >_<
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 06, 2006, 02:07 PM
I can honestly say I have not been hit by any exploit in IE. I would like someone who has been hit to show me the vulnerability listing (on securnia, or whatever site) that they were hit by. So far, the only windows exploit I have been hit by was the blaster worm (RPC). You dont need to disable javascript or manage secure zones. All you have to do is practice safe browsing habits. The only time I've even had spyware ATTEMPT to install itself on my pc was when I visited a crack site (yes, I do visit them) and that never got anywhere because of several tools I have running.

I think security is overrated. I think that if we spent more of the time that we do developing "secure" applications on training and educating the end user, that we would get FAR MORE accomplished. Yes, there are unpatched security holes in IE, but I would like to see the numbers of the people actually hit by any of these holes.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: masu on August 06, 2006, 02:08 PM
you can download the newest cumalative update for IE6 here

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=85CABE87-C4A0-4F80-BD1C-210E23FD8D81
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: nudone on August 06, 2006, 02:18 PM
i agree with Josh. if things were so bad then no one would be using internet explorer or any of the mods. i'm not saying there aren't naughty things that get through - it's just unlikely or unlucky - i'm probably more likely to get knocked over by a bus when crossing the road but i'm not worrying about it (yes, i pay attention to oncoming vehicles when i need to - and i try to pay attention to dodgy looking websites).

maybe my machine is infected right now. always appears clean on the scans i do.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 06, 2006, 03:14 PM
My own computer has been struck twice (that I can remember). One time was after letting a friend borrow it for a couple hours; checking hotmail and some forums. I think there must have been some malware in a banner ad. Since my friend hadn't browsed any "questionable" stuff, I only noticed the malware after it had deleted a bunch of mp3 and jpg files. Fortunately, the jpegs had been backed up, and the MP3s could be re-ripped.

The other time was when I mistyped an URL and got to one of those typo domainsquat "search engines" that also popped up a couple of alternate pages. I aborted the stuff very quickly, but not before the site had managed to use some IE holes to automatically install some activex control or whatever... was easy to remove and didn't have time to do any damage, though.

My mum was hit by some stuff recently. She was trying to find some online shop selling massage oil (of the non-naughty kind), but ended up on a pr0n site. Again, buncha popups and auto-install-without-asking. No, she doesn't blindly click "install", coz I told her I would lock her PC for a week if she ever did that.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 06, 2006, 03:20 PM
Well, what OS was this on? This sounds like PRE-IE6SP2 since now IE prompts you before an activex control is installed. I have not heard of anyone having an activex control (spyware loading one) being installed without the user being prompted.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 06, 2006, 03:25 PM
Well, what OS was this on? This sounds like PRE-IE6SP2 since now IE prompts you before an activex control is installed. I have not heard of anyone having an activex control (spyware loading one) being installed without the user being prompted.
XP SP2 with all recent updates. It would seem there's still ways to trick the activex control mechanism. As much as I like IE's speed and low memory usage, it's just too full of holes to be good for carefree surfing.

I dunno if FireFox is that much more safe, but at least it's not targetted as much as IE... yet. The price to pay is of course bloat, sluggishness, slowness and high memory usage.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: TucknDar on August 06, 2006, 03:48 PM
I dunno if FireFox is that much more safe, but at least it's not targetted as much as IE... yet. The price to pay is of course bloat, sluggishness, slowness and high memory usage.
Ever considered Opera? I used FireFox before, but it was too darn slow. Opera showed me the way. Still not a perfect browser, but by far the best and most comfortable I've ever used. And it's fast, both starting up and surfing!

Oh, and unlike before, it's free now, as you probably know ;)
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 06, 2006, 03:52 PM
I like Opera, but there's some stuff I miss in it that FireFox has - like a better adblock and some few other things. If Opera had a plugin system, I probably wouldn't even look back at the fox.

Opera *is* a lot faster than the fox, both in loading and page rendering. Not as fast as IE, but decent enough. It does have a few places where it renders a bit weird, where both IE and the fox render okayish... can't remember the specific sites, I just remember bumping into a few things here and there thinking "hrm, poxy!".

The few things I don't like about Opera is stuff like alt+d not taking you to the address bar, and that they've built in both email and a torrent client in the browser... really ought to be separate apps.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 06, 2006, 04:03 PM
You do know you can customize the keys in opera right? alt d takes me to the address bar :)
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: TucknDar on August 06, 2006, 04:05 PM
I think Opera is faster than IE in page rendering. I've seen statistics on this (don't have an url to back it up, so take it with a pinch of salt ;) ) proving that Opera is the fastest.

Keyboard Shortcuts are 100% user configurable. Of course :P

Opera has built in blocking, and although it's not automatic ala Firefox' AdBlocker it's good. And there are user scripts and user css files that automatically blocks ads.

I agree on the firefox plugins! Love apps with plugins/extensions/modules. The best way to keep a small and/or basic core with user deciding what else to add. On that note though, Opera can take user scripts (even most Firefox Greasemonkey scripts) which makes the little difference sometimes.

about the mail-client and torrent-client... well, I sorta agree. I use the M2 client myself (Opera's built in) which is the closest I've come to the mail-client I want (I've tried tons...). I don't use the torrent client, and don't notice it, since it's disabled. Don't think it affects the general speed of Opera, either...


Sorry to topic starter for stealing the thread, btw...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 07, 2006, 10:25 AM
You do know you can customize the keys in opera right? alt d takes me to the address bar :)
-Josh
Hm, I've always missed that feature when I searched for it - heh.

I think Opera is faster than IE in page rendering. I've seen statistics on this (don't have an url to back it up, so take it with a pinch of salt ;) ) proving that Opera is the fastest.
-TucknDar
It might be - especially if you're comparing it to IE with "smooth scrolling" turned on. Both render to bitmaps which are then scrolled around, though, instead of continuously re-rendering. IE is still a wee bit faster than Opera in startup time, though.

Opera has built in blocking, and although it's not automatic ala Firefox' AdBlocker it's good. And there are user scripts and user css files that automatically blocks ads.
Alas, Opera's built in blocking isn't nearly as good as adblock :(

Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: Josh on August 07, 2006, 10:54 AM
Have you tried ad muncher? Its not browser specific and works with other apps as well
Title: Re: Maxthon 2.0 Invitation
Post by: f0dder on August 07, 2006, 10:59 AM
Have you tried ad muncher? Its not browser specific and works with other apps as well
Hm, it works by winsock interception, doesn't it? I'm not too fond of that method. I guess I should give it a try again though, it's been quite some years since I played with it last.

It used to include some of my code, btw, for protection/obfuscation... it was applied incorrectly, though, so it slowed down things a lot and was removed again. Just a piece of useless trivia :)