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Title: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: TPReal on September 11, 2008, 02:16 AM
Good to have the latest info.

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

Have a look at the page source, how neatly they check if the world has ended or not. Only I think it's a bug that they don't detect the actual reason of the end of the world, in case of it happening :)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Grorgy on September 11, 2008, 03:27 AM
lol, if it ends, the actual reason wont concern me too much  ;)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Crush on September 11, 2008, 03:46 AM
I read that a second LHC is existing in Bielefeld - in case something´s going terrible wrong... perhaps they want to destroy a black hole with a second one?
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 11, 2008, 03:53 AM
Actually I thought it would have been kind of neat if the Earth had been destroyed in a proton sized black hole. It would have at least stopped global warming - and just think no more British summers!!! It would also solve the world terror issue and the US christian right in a flash (plus they would all be very happy with the outcome).

The final irony is that Switzerland - the country that avoids conflict at all costs - would be responsible for world demolition.

Now ... where's that 'Dial a Vogon' card I had  :tellme: :tellme: :tellme:
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: 40hz on September 11, 2008, 10:47 AM
It has. You are now in a parallel alternate universe exactly like the one you were in before they fired up the LHC.

Unfortunately, due to the relativistic nature of this universe there is absolutely no way of showing that to have happened.

Best not to think about it too much. That way madness lies. 8)

Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: 40hz on September 11, 2008, 10:50 AM
The final irony is that Switzerland - the country that avoids conflict at all costs - would be responsible for world demolition.

And even more ironic, would in all likelihood find a way to turn it to their advantage. ;D

(BTW: shouldn't that read "avoids the appearance of conflict"?)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: app103 on September 11, 2008, 11:00 AM
Well, since the world hasn't ended yet, I guess I still have time to finish reading Cosm (http://www.amazon.com/Cosm-Gregory-Benford/dp/0380790521).
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 11, 2008, 11:21 AM
LOL... :D

Think of Simple Logic.. ;D
If there is/was chance of such disaster why france & switzerland will allow this experiment to happen in the first place? :D Dont you think they are the first one to die if such thing happen,isnt it? Why they will risk their life just to find out Big-bang? ;) ...

Ah, thanks to europe, no baptist group yet opposed this experiement in the Name of protest for  "Creation of Anti-Matter"... :D...
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: TPReal on September 11, 2008, 11:37 AM
If there is/was chance of such disaster why france & switzerland will allow this experiment to happen in the first place? :D Dont you think they are the first one to die if such thing happen,isnt it? Why they will risk their life just to find out Big-bang? ;) ...
I think that scientists are so curious about the Higgs boson that they don't care too much about disasters and other things. And their official statement is that no disaster is possible, of course, so Switzerland and France can feel reassured.

My guess is that they in fact know that creating a by-product in the form of a black hole is very unlikely but possible. But admitting it would be a bye-bye to the LHC experiments and the Higgs boson, so they just keep it a Polichinelle's secret.

And if the disaster really happens, nobody will complain anyway :) Not in Solar System.

TPReal.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mouser on September 11, 2008, 11:39 AM
If the world ends, will we at least have a few minutes to think about how cool it is and watch it end? or will it happen in the blink of an eye and no one gets to appreciate it?

anyone who thinks it would be a terrible shame for the world to end just needs to watch a couple of hours of tv news and you'll be hoping for a black hole to be born.  :P
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 11, 2008, 11:44 AM
If the world ends, will we at least have a few minutes to think about how cool it is and watch it end? or will it happen in the blink of an eye and no one gets to appreciate it?

If a black hole is created you'd better have the tomato sauce in your hand because you would be turned into spaghetti almost instantly!
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Darwin on September 11, 2008, 11:48 AM
Well, since the world hasn't ended yet, I guess I still have time to finish reading Cosm (http://www.amazon.com/Cosm-Gregory-Benford/dp/0380790521).

That looks like an interesting read, App! Thanks for the link, I might just spring $0.01 for a used copy  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: TPReal on September 11, 2008, 12:10 PM
One of the more material articles I found:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/060919_black_holes.html
However, such trapped black holes are so tiny, they could pass through a block of iron the distance from the Earth to the Moon and not hit anything. They would each take about 100 hours to gobble up one proton.
Maybe it's true, maybe not. Probably they couldn't say "The chance of a black hole eating up the whole planet is only about 0.5% each day, so please please, let us try." :)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: 40hz on September 11, 2008, 01:42 PM
My guess is that they in fact know that creating a by-product in the form of a black hole is very unlikely but possible. But admitting it would be a bye-bye to the LHC experiments and the Higgs boson, so they just keep it a Polichinelle's secret.

Yes indeed! But hardly in the same league as some earlier assurances given to the public.

Think of such classics as: nuclear reactors being perfectly safe; hydrocarbon emissions and the greenhouse effect actually being beneficial (i.e. forestalling another ice age); all the product safety claims being made about half the pharmaceutical products currently being sold; and slapping the buzzword 'green' on every product and service out there. (Don't laugh - I recently saw a published article that argues that strip mining is, in fact, 'a green technology'! Talk about little known facts! Who would have ever guessed?)

Not only would discussing risk shut a lot of things down, it would also make it a lot harder for all those wonderful corporations to make money. And then where would we be? ;)

I'm not worried about CERN. I won't be afraid of the LHC until some corporation gets its hands on it. :tellme:
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 11, 2008, 03:07 PM
@40Hz

your concearn about commercial hands behind science reminds me of movie resident evil in which umbrela corp used to manipulate labs for their advantage...
 
and this is the reason i think "anti-matter" experiment shouldnt be performed..
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Deozaan on September 11, 2008, 04:58 PM
So how come everyone here seems to know so much about LHCs? What do they do and how could a Black Hole result from turning one on?
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: TPReal on September 12, 2008, 03:41 AM
There's a lot of interesting things here: http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/Welcome.html. It's really worth reading if you're interested in modern physics.

Each proton beam flying around the LHC will have an energy of 7 TeV, so when two protons collide the collision energy will be 14 TeV. Lead ions have many protons, and together they give an even greater energy: the lead-ion beams will have a collision energy of 1150 TeV. Both collision energies have never been reached before in a lab.
Energy concentration is what makes particle collisions so special. When you clap your hands you probably do a ‘collision’ at an energy higher than protons at the LHC, but much less concentrated! Now think of what you would do if you were to put a needle in one of your hands. You would certainly slow your hands down as you clapped!
In absolute terms, these energies, if compared to the energies we deal with everyday, are not impressive. In fact, 1 TeV is about the energy of motion of a flying mosquito. What makes the LHC so extraordinary is that it squeezes energy into a space about a million million times smaller than a mosquito.

Here's the sort of official info about black holes: http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/en/Accelerators/LHCblackholes-en.html.

TPReal.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 12, 2008, 04:26 AM
@Deozaan:
 :D There is no chance of Black-holes as of now...

You can take a look at these resources to know more about LHC

http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/large-hadron-collider.htm/printable

Whats the use of LHC?
well one, to solve the aging theories of particle physics about Higgs
Boson, Dark Matter as well as Dark Energy, which together comprise for 96% of our Universe.
And two, to confirm where or not they exists. Scientists have been trying to trace these
illusive sub atomic particles for over 2 decades, without any success. With the Big Bang
experiment, scientists hope that they will be able to come to a conclusion finally.
All we can do is wait for the CERN to operate at full power within a year, before something
fruitful comes out it. May be sooner.. who knows?
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: fenixproductions on September 12, 2008, 05:10 AM
<OT>
It would be great idea for Japanese anime:
1. they create Dark Matter,
2. it is starting to extend by itself,
3. ...
4. demons, slaughter and don't forget big robots ;)
</OT>

Well, as I've told you tomorrow: you're overreacting LHC thing.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mwfuss on September 12, 2008, 10:56 AM
Actually I thought it would have been kind of neat if the Earth had been destroyed in a proton sized black hole. It would have at least stopped global warming - and just think no more British summers!!! It would also solve the world terror issue and the US christian right in a flash (plus they would all be very happy with the outcome).

As an American and a conservative Christian [I am, in fact the Pastor of a church in southwest Florida] I must take exception to the above comment that, at the very least, implies the equation of terrorism and conservative Christianity. If that is, indeed, what the author intended, then such is offensive, irresponsible, and patently untrue. If it was meant as a joke, then it is in very poor taste.

I realize fully well that I may be criticized to no end over this, but I just cannot sit by idly while someone ridicules the faith that I hold so dearly.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 12, 2008, 11:11 AM
Sorry I thought all christians would like to go to heaven as soon as possible - and that was what I meant by the comment. You may view it as poor taste but I actually find a lot of religious belief and dogma in pretty poor taste - especially when it is imposed on the majority of society who don't share those beliefs.

However, it was a badly phrased sentence and I did not mean to equate world terrorism and christian fundamentalism. It was meant as black humour (presumably I will now be accused of racism).

Religious Rant - sorry I am in a bad mood, don't read it if you are sensitive
Having said that the history of christian fundamentalism over the last 2000 years isn't exactly spotless when it comes to tolerance of other belief systems or even rational thought (Galileo and Copernicus spring to mind, not to mention the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and slaughter of Native Americans - and that is a just a small number of examples).

Actually fundamentalist christians and jews believe in the pentatuch - genesis being the basis of fundamentalist belief in creationist philosphy (and presumable intelligent design). I have never quite worked out how it is decided which bits of these five books are the word of god and which can be ignored. If it is all the word of god then it strikes me that most of the judeo-christian philosophy is built on systematic genocide - which is actually a step up the order of horror from terrorism.

Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: KenR on September 12, 2008, 01:02 PM
Sorry I thought all christians would like to go to heaven as soon as possible - and that was what I meant by the comment. You may view it as poor taste but I actually find a lot of religious belief and dogma in pretty poor taste - especially when it is imposed on the majority of society who don't share those beliefs.

However, it was a badly phrased sentence and I did not mean to equate world terrorism and christian fundamentalism. It was meant as black humour (presumably I will now be accused of racism).

Wow, that brought me out of hiding!

Hey Carol, forgive my curiosity, but I was just wondering how often you have similarly bad moods?  ;D :-*
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 12, 2008, 01:16 PM
Sorry - it just annoys me when tolerance is all meant to be one way. I have frequently been criticised and threatened by fundamentalist christians. If people want to live a bronze age life style (which is what fundamentalist should do to follow the biblical rules correctly) that is fine with me I just object to it being pushed on the majority of society which seems to be a growing trend in the US and UK.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Mark0 on September 12, 2008, 01:22 PM
The intro scene from Another World is pretty actual: YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNeayv-OTK0)
What a beautyful game, and it was about the 1990.

I have bough the new PC version in high-res the moment I discovered it! :)
http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Lashiec on September 12, 2008, 01:26 PM
So far, the LHC is a good thing for everyone. It has brought Ken back, and the scientists working in it are too busy with catchy rap songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM) to create black holes ;D

It has. You are now in a parallel alternate universe exactly like the one you were in before they fired up the LHC.

Not fair, that was going to be my answer :(

If the world ends, will we at least have a few minutes to think about how cool it is and watch it end? or will it happen in the blink of an eye and no one gets to appreciate it?

Nah, if it ends by means of the LHC you won't even have the time to check up the site. And then, how would you know if it ended? Now, wouldn't you be curious about what happens if the black hole sucks everything up? (according to Futurama, we'll play an endless round of Dungeons & Dragons :-D)

Think of such classics as: nuclear reactors being perfectly safe; hydrocarbon emissions and the greenhouse effect actually being beneficial (i.e. forestalling another ice age); all the product safety claims being made about half the pharmaceutical products currently being sold; and slapping the buzzword 'green' on every product and service out there.

Funny, I would consider just the first one as a classic, the other three is the first time I heard about them (yes, yes, that's including strip mining).

The intro scene from Another World is pretty actual: YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNeayv-OTK0)
What a beautyful game, and it was about the 1990.

That would be more like a temporal dimension vortex actually (ala Half-Life).
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: KenR on September 12, 2008, 01:46 PM
Sorry - it just annoys me when tolerance is all meant to be one way. I have frequently been criticised and threatened by fundamentalist christians. If people want to live a bronze age life style (which is what fundamentalist should do to follow the biblical rules correctly) that is fine with me I just object to it being pushed on the majority of society which seems to be a growing trend in the US and UK.

Yeah, I get it Carol. Apart from just the intellectual understanding, my Buddist wife is often impacted by the same issue.

Ken
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 12, 2008, 02:10 PM
Being Atheist, i always hunt for superstitious things arround..
 

i've observed that when science comes up with something,people use it for their religions advntg or add more superstitions...

In my country, one teen-girl commited sucide coz fear of blackholes,all such rumour things that spread by Worst News TV media..

I'm just feeling sad for this
incident that i unable to break this rumour for society arround myself..
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 12, 2008, 02:12 PM
So read authentic sites & dont trust tv always..
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: 40hz on September 12, 2008, 03:09 PM

It has. You are now in a parallel alternate universe exactly like the one you were in before they fired up the LHC.

Not fair, that was going to be my answer :(



Sorry. I quasi-stole it from Douglas Adams. :)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: nosh on September 12, 2008, 03:13 PM
So, if these slippery sub-atomic thingummies are found to exist, how will that help us?
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 12, 2008, 03:31 PM
It may or may not help us. Who would have thought that 50 years of arguments and rivalry about the structure and meaning of quantum mechanics (surely one of the most esoteric theoretical models ever produced) would lead to the development of mobile phone technology?

Actually come to think of it if Neils Bohr and co. hadn't bothered maybe there wouldn't so many hours spent arguing over where to put the aerials and life would be slower and quieter. Mind you we would still be doing sums with slide rules and have TVs that take a lot of time to warm up ;)

Maybe there is an alternative reality without mobile phones - it is just a question of how to get there ....
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Grorgy on September 12, 2008, 04:58 PM
Its one of the great things of science, and all intellectual pursuits really, that some things are just done, investigated, tried whatever, just because someone is curious enough.  A bit of pure research can lead to all sorts of things which seems to be something which has been forgotten in this lets make a buck world.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 12, 2008, 05:44 PM
Have you noticed that non-scientists never really ask questions like:


None of these things 'acheive' anything other than pleasure (with the possible exception of learning a language) and the amount of money spent (particularly on the first in the list) makes science budgets pale into insignificance. I bet Hollywood spend more money in a single year than the entire global budget for science teaching and research (including medical research).

In comparison a surprising amount of pure scientific research leads to practical solutions to problems even from the most unexpected sources. For example the space race led to a whole new area of material science that affects practically everybody's life on a daily basis - not that NASA and the other researchers actually get the credit.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: fenixproductions on September 12, 2008, 07:13 PM
2Carol Haynes
Your words reminded me a story about NASA's research for ballpoint able to write upside down (in space) while Russians used to use simple pencils ;)

PS. Recently I am going to much off topic... sorry.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: nosh on September 12, 2008, 07:36 PM
Uh, ok. I realise that science/knowledge is one large game of fill in the blanks, one thing leads to another, yaddi yaddi ya. I wasn't being cynical (though I see how easy it is to assume that) and was hoping for specific, scientific answers, rather than philosophical/pedagogic ones.  :)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Grorgy on September 12, 2008, 07:52 PM
I think thats it though nosh, it isn't going to help us in any particular way at present.  It will add to the sum of knowledge and at some point someone in a more applied research effort will find a use for it.  Though in the meantime people interested in the origins of the universe may discover further insights.  Who knows, me I'm going for lunch!
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Lashiec on September 12, 2008, 07:53 PM
I think that is one of the biggest issues with science together with how difficult is to raise funding for even the most basic research. Scientists should try to communicate better what's the ultimate outcome of their projects, as small as they could be, and what's the ultimate benefit for the public, even if it's something purely economical in the short-term (creation of jobs and such).

Of course, press these days will only pick the biggest projects out there, so they're mostly on their own.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: e712 on September 12, 2008, 09:18 PM
The LHC cannot destroy the world.  The attempted domestication of the cat destroyed it ages ago.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 13, 2008, 05:25 AM
I think that is one of the biggest issues with science together with how difficult is to raise funding for even the most basic research. Scientists should try to communicate better what's the ultimate outcome of their projects, as small as they could be, and what's the ultimate benefit for the public, even if it's something purely economical in the short-term (creation of jobs and such).

But that is the problem - pure research doesn't have a goal other than to find answers to questions or to test an idea.

The LHC is built primarily to test theories in particle physics. Who know whether it will have any long term economic or commercial benefit. That really isn't the point.

Bohr, Heisenberg, Pauli, Rutherford and the rest spent decades (some their whole professional lives) theorising and arguing to build an understanding of the subatomic world - there was little or no economic or commercial motivation (not even political kudos as it was a broad international collaboration). As far as I know none of them ever saw a practical outcome to their research but now our entire life style is based on quantum theory. Without it we wouldn't have computers, digital television, mobile phones, modern cars, robot controlled factories and most large scale medical equipment in centres around the world to name a handful of practical applications.

Who would have expected the Curie's discovery and theory of radioactivity to have such a remarkable impact on medicine and power generation? Radioactivity was indirectly responsible for the death of Marie Curie after all but during her own lifetime 'little curie' radiography units were used to treat wounded soldiers in World War I.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 13, 2008, 06:39 AM
Who would have expected the Curie's discovery and theory of radioactivity to have such a remarkable impact on medicine and power generation? Radioactivity was indirectly responsible for the death of Marie Curie after all but during her own lifetime 'little curie' radiography units were used to treat wounded soldiers in World War I.
True, But what about experiements like "Anti-Matter", rather than solving questions of Religious beliefs & Energy Alternative, if it falls in Wrong Hands what will happen? Scientist who will work on "Anti-Matter" will not be remebered for good like marrie curie.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 13, 2008, 06:51 AM
I don't know - Marie Curie will always be remembered for radioactivity and where did that lead ultimately - the arms race, cold war and Hiroshima and Nagasaki (plus fears of weapons getting into the hands of religious nuts ... tongue in cheek comment ... Palin?)
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 13, 2008, 06:59 AM
Have you noticed that non-scientists never really ask questions like:

  • Why bother putting on plays at the theatre (which hardly anyone goes to) or making films
  • Why write a book (hardly anyone will read it)
  • Why learn a foreign language (most of the world speaks English)
  • Why compose a symphony (only a tiny minority listen to modern music)
  • Why produce a painting (if its good it will be bought and locked away in a safe as an investment)

None of these things 'acheive' anything other than pleasure (with the possible exception of learning a language) and the amount of money spent (particularly on the first in the list) makes science budgets pale into insignificance.

Agree, The point is that: There is divide between people who look at Science as Curiosity, Thirst to solve problems or Quest to find answers or innovation with that those of people who look at science just for getting things done & forget about the problems in the world, its just the intellectual divide between people due to Social quotient.

One person not related to science asked me Question : "When pluto was made DWARF planet ,did it make any difference to Pluto or earth,But considerable funds were spent on "BRAINSTORMING"?I could have given example of failed Rockets or rocket that cost millions but failed to take off...But reasonably I would not associate failure as waste BUT the fact still remains FUNDS burnt in failure "

For this Question even i'm confused on how to react to such questions? :-\
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 13, 2008, 07:11 AM
The debate over 'what constitutes a planet' is a fair question when there are large numbers of scientists world wid looking for evidence of planets orbiting other stars. I can't imagine 'considerable funds' were spent on the question - the scientists and amateur astronomers involved in the debate would have had the argument come what may. Interestingly astronomy is really the only remaining area of the sciences where total amateurs can make a full and important contribution to research. Not to mention SETI which allowed millions of non-scientists to contribute computer power.

Money burns in failure constantly in all walks of life ... just take a look at your local government budget?

If it comes to that anything that is ephemeral (such as any performance) could be considered a waste of resources but do we really want a world devoid of everything that isn't useful? I certainly don't.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 13, 2008, 07:33 AM
The debate over 'what constitutes a planet' is a fair question when there are large numbers of scientists world wid looking for evidence of planets orbiting other stars. I can't imagine 'considerable funds' were spent on the question - the scientists and amateur astronomers involved in the debate would have had the argument come what may. Interestingly astronomy is really the only remaining area of the sciences where total amateurs can make a full and important contribution to research. Not to mention SETI which allowed millions of non-scientists to contribute computer power.

Money burns in failure constantly in all walks of life ... just take a look at your local government budget?

If it comes to that anything that is ephemeral (such as any performance) could be considered a waste of resources but do we really want a world devoid of everything that isn't useful? I certainly don't.

Exactly,Its just the perspective of those people who don't care for science domain.They want to push their domain over it, knowing the fact that science is connected to them one way or the other.

Something in the Newspapaer realted to LHC that strikes me,it was something like this : "The outcome of the experiment is obivously Study. If the experiment fails ie when the experiment does not give desired output or does not support the fact then the scientist claim they need to re-write the theories of matter/anti matter in the Universe.One of the scientist commented "This project is Our Civilisation Answer to the Egyptian Civilization"

Again Do you think CERN made such Comments? I think Media is exaggerating,Many Reporters commented that Answer to Older Civilisation came very late, :D
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 13, 2008, 08:42 AM
Personally I think CERN has done as much as possible to feed the media frenzy - they want the WOW factor and public interest. From that perspective it is good for science. At least people who had never heard of Hadrons and Higgs Bosons are aware of the scientific debate. Granted not many people will understand the arguments but does that matter - how many people really understand art or art music - it doesn't stop them thinking it is interesting and worthwhile.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: KenR on September 13, 2008, 11:17 AM
Well it's clear that this thread will end up in the next newsletter.
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 17, 2008, 06:49 AM
Press is something that needs to be controlled than any LHC or simmilar scientific experiment  :D

Take a look, Irrational Height of Media  :o

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: fenixproductions on September 17, 2008, 07:07 AM
Geez... Even if same situations happen all the time I can't still simply believe how someones stupid fears can grow and rule other people's minds. And the biggest opponent is not even physician. I thought there is no one more ridiculous than people trying to push in into already filled space (i.e. train) before anyone leaves BUT I was wrong  :o
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Carol Haynes on September 17, 2008, 07:24 AM
I don't know about that Telegraph article - but this is a truly terrifying prospect ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2971637/Sixth-Hitchhikers-Guide-to-be-published.html
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Gothi[c] on September 17, 2008, 08:06 AM
Here's an interesting video showing a tour of the LHC computer infrastructure:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3429406569570342668&ei=D_rQSKSzA5SyrgLG6tXJAg&q=lhc
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Gothi[c] on September 17, 2008, 08:36 AM
In that video they mention an interesting data processing problem the LHC IT infrastructure needs to solve:

They need to detect some particular collission that occurs about 2x per year, keeping LHC running during that 2 year period at a rate of about 40 million collisions per second, of which generally about 100,000 collision events are stored.

Needle in haystack much?

Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: mahesh2k on September 21, 2008, 07:54 AM
http://www.teachers.tv/video/23645
the fundamental building blocks of nature,

http://www.teachers.tv/video/23903
the fundamental forces of nature,

http://www.teachers.tv/video/23904
the quantum world and the hunt for the Higgs boson. 

Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Gothi[c] on September 21, 2008, 04:32 PM
Real live webcams of lhc (not the blackhole joke one ;) )

ATLAS: http://atlasexperiment.org/webcams.html
CMS: http://cms-project-cmsinfo.web.cern.ch/cms-project-cmsinfo/Media/CMSeye/index.html
Title: Re: Has the LHC destroyed the world yet?
Post by: Deozaan on September 21, 2008, 05:37 PM
YES!