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Title: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 03, 2011, 09:22 AM

As a someone that considers anything Apple related as anathema, I have now digitally soiled myself by buying an iPad (version 1).

My excuse: I need it for website testing as I've found that trying to emulate how Safari works on these devices (and iPhone) isn't the same as really using Safari on them. (There must be some weird Safari and OS bugs going on.)

I've also told myself that, maybe, just maybe, my parents will stop being frightened by the internet and use the tablet rather than a netbook. Yeah, fat chance - but if they do then I'll consider it worth allowing the wretched Apple machine into the house.

Now, please excuse me whilst I go and flagellate myself for being such a hypocrite.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 03, 2011, 09:26 AM

Hahahahahaha~!

You are forgiven! We must do what we must do to get by! :)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: mouser on April 03, 2011, 09:30 AM

it's a beautiful looking gadget, you'll enjoy it -- don't be so hard on yourself.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: alivingspirit on April 03, 2011, 10:50 AM

I sympathize. I also am having apple-buyers guilt. I think it helps if you don't think of the ipad as a computer, rather just a new toy that you can play with. Gain comfort with the idea that productive computing still remains mostly in a non-apple world. Don't get me wrong, the ipad is useful, but I would never use it a productivity tool. I don't consider checking email a productive activity either so don't pull that on me later.
It seems like that is Apple's philosophy as well, being that you still have to tether the ipad to an actual computer and the lack of any kind of file access ability.
I bought the ipad as a fun new toy. That is an excuse enough for me.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 03, 2011, 11:20 AM

That sounds like a perfect description; I shall persuade my parents it is nothing more than a toy and "fun" to use. I'm just concerned that as soon as they have to type something on it the fun will quickly disappear.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 03, 2011, 11:56 AM

it's a beautiful looking gadget, you'll enjoy it -- don't be so hard on yourself.

-mouser (April 03, 2011, 09:30 AM)

+1 w/mouser. :Thmbsup:

"If there's something you really want to do - then just do it. Because even if you live to regret it for the rest of your life, that won't be half as long as you might regret not doing it once you're dead." - attributed to Sammy Davis Jr.

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Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: cranioscopical on April 03, 2011, 12:11 PM

I have now digitally soiled myself by buying an iPad

-nudone (April 03, 2011, 09:22 AM)

Rotten to the core!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: f0dder on April 03, 2011, 12:13 PM

Poisoned to his rotten core - too Apple'd up to care anymore!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 03, 2011, 12:14 PM

Poisoned to his rotten core - too Apple'd up to care anymore!

-f0dder (April 03, 2011, 12:13 PM)

C'mon! Give him a break!

He's going to spend the rest of eternity in torment for that. Let's let him enjoy his remaining time~! :D :P

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: rgdot on April 03, 2011, 02:25 PM

How could you?  :P

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 03, 2011, 02:41 PM

As a someone that considers anything Apple related as anathema, I have now digitally soiled myself by buying an iPad (version 1).

-nudone (April 03, 2011, 09:22 AM)

How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 03, 2011, 04:42 PM

Personally I am not in the least surprised with you penchant for buying all sorts of crap off eBay - let's hope this toy at least works ;)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Josh on April 03, 2011, 04:46 PM

I say it again...

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Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: cranioscopical on April 03, 2011, 04:52 PM

buying an iPad

-Nudone

This one? I think this was a prototype…

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Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Josh on April 03, 2011, 04:53 PM

Where is the like button. haha

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 03, 2011, 05:05 PM

Oh ye of little faith. It will be in "immaculate condition" just as described. I know it will. And the $2000 I wired as security to ensure a speedy delivery will definitely be returned to me like the seller agreed. I wasn't sure about sending him my PayPal account login and password but it seemed perfectly reasonable when he explained it would increase my "trust" rating on eBay. It's nice to know there are some good, honest, people out there.


Serious mode: it cost £288 (including 10 quid packaging) and the item is about four months old and in "immaculate condition".

I was watching other iPads being sold on eBay over the past few days and it seemed they were going for £380 so I don't think I've done too bad.

(I've seen that Argos, and maybe other UK outlets, are selling iPads (v1) for around £320 or £330 - but the whole country appears to be out of stock with no chance of that changing soon.)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 03, 2011, 05:17 PM

Oh ye of little faith. It will be in "immaculate condition" just as described. I know it will. And the $2000 I wired as security to ensure a speedy delivery will definitely be returned to me like the seller agreed. I wasn't sure about sending him my PayPal account login and password but it seemed perfectly reasonable when he explained it would increase my "trust" rating on eBay. It's nice to know there are some good, honest, people out there.


Serious mode: it cost £288 (including 10 quid packaging) and the item is about four months old and in "immaculate condition".

I was watching other iPads being sold on eBay over the past few days and it seemed they were going for £380 so I don't think I've done too bad.

(I've seen that Argos, and maybe other UK outlets, are selling iPads (v1) for around £320 or £330 - but the whole country appears to be out of stock with no chance of that changing soon.)

-nudone (April 03, 2011, 05:05 PM)

Can you buy from the Apple store?  Refurbs are USD 349 on there, which is the reason that I've really been astonished how much people are getting on eBay...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 03, 2011, 05:38 PM

I had no idea that they had a refurbs section, though, I've just checked it and it's completely empty, i.e. no UK refurbished Apple products at all.

It seems that iPads are the price they are on eBay as they are probably the quickest way of obtaining one at the moment.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 03, 2011, 05:46 PM

And of course once you have an idea it has to be done yesterday  ;)

Why not wait 6 months? There will be at least three more generations to choose from by then and iPad version 1  will be down to 50p as the white box brigade scrabble and queue for version 5. Version 5 will come in an even whiter box that is so minimal you have to send it back to Apple to open it for you (only $99 for service plus packaging and VAT). It will have a prettier picture of an Apple on the back with an audible subliminal message to send all your money to Jobo. One of the newest features will be that it doesn't work at all unless you hold it 143 cm from the ground and titled to 27.3 degrees to the horizontal - unless you fit an expensive gel jacket to it - but then you can't touch the screen, a new security feature).

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Deozaan on April 03, 2011, 05:55 PM

That's really funny, Carol. ;D :Thmbsup:

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 03, 2011, 06:57 PM

I had no idea that they had a refurbs section, though, I've just checked it and it's completely empty, i.e. no UK refurbished Apple products at all.

It seems that iPads are the price they are on eBay as they are probably the quickest way of obtaining one at the moment.

-nudone (April 03, 2011, 05:38 PM)

I guess the stores are different. (and this is just a few... no 16GB WiFi left right now...)
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Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: mahesh2k on April 03, 2011, 08:15 PM

Version 5 will come in an even whiter box that is so minimal you have to send it back to Apple to open it for you

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: superboyac on April 03, 2011, 09:13 PM

Don't fight it buddy!  It's a beautiful device.  We don't have to be so black and white with this stuff.  if the ipad fits your needs, get it.  if a desktop klunker fits your needs, get it.  We don't have to act so crazy about it!  I've been very happy with the ipad.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 03, 2011, 09:31 PM

Don't fight it buddy!  It's a beautiful device.  We don't have to be so black and white with this stuff.  if the ipad fits your needs, get it.  if a desktop klunker fits your needs, get it.  We don't have to act so crazy about it!  I've been very happy with the ipad.

-superboyac (April 03, 2011, 09:13 PM)

My thoughts exactly.  With the iPad 2 coming out, I've been able to get some pretty good deals on accessories too.  My latest toy... the ClamCase (http://www.clamcase.com).  That along with my BookBook (http://www.twelvesouth.com/products/bookbook_ipad/) I already had  and my Compass stand (http://twelvesouth.com/products/compass/) has me covered for all situations.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: zridling on April 03, 2011, 11:44 PM

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Nudone's new avatar?
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Sorry guys, I understand the need to program for as many platforms as possible to maximize your skills and make a living. But I can't share the Apple love. I don't like the company, what it represents through strict control, lawsuits, and proprietary everything; how it does business, how it treats its employees as suspects, or how their gadgets are made.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/08/foxconn.study.leak.shows.major.internal.violence/

Still, we love you Nudone. Just don't be surprised if 30 of us show up in your kitchen for an intervention!  ;D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 04, 2011, 12:12 AM

(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=26285.msg244132#msg244132))Nudone's new avatar?
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Sorry guys, I understand the need to program for as many platforms as possible to maximize your skills and make a living. But I can't share the Apple love. I don't like the company, what it represents through strict control, lawsuits, and proprietary everything; how it does business, how it treats its employees as suspects, or how their gadgets are made.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/08/foxconn.study.leak.shows.major.internal.violence/

Still, we love you Nudone. Just don't be surprised if 30 of us show up in your kitchen for an intervention!  ;D

-zridling (April 03, 2011, 11:44 PM)

Hahahaha~!

You'd think that Apple would give developer hardware for free to ease the pain of the humiliation~! :D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: f0dder on April 04, 2011, 01:00 AM

Don't fight it buddy!  It's a beautiful device.  We don't have to be so black and white with this stuff.

-superboyac (April 03, 2011, 09:13 PM)

With Apple, isn't it Whites Only?

In seriousness, the iPad is a pretty nice device to use - it feels very well, even if it's slightly on the heavy side for use as, say, an eBook reader. If it wasn't for the ridiculous pricetag and the apple lock-in (oh, and for the 3G version which I'd definitely like, cell provider lock-in as well), I would probably have gotten one.

I've got a fair amount of eBooks, and a fair amount of situations where I don't need a fully-fledged laptop but could do with a tablet. I've considered an eBook reader, especially since eInk is nicer on the eyes... but they're so limited in what they can do, and eInk updating is slow, which would be a limitation if you need to flip back&forth or do a lot of searching.

But the pricetag... and it's not like the competition is much better. I can get a freaking full laptop for what an Ipad costs in .dk!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 04, 2011, 01:08 AM

Don't fight it buddy!  It's a beautiful device.  We don't have to be so black and white with this stuff.

-superboyac (April 03, 2011, 09:13 PM)

With Apple, isn't it Whites Only?

-f0dder (April 04, 2011, 01:00 AM)

Well, for the iPhone 4 it was black only because producing a white iPhone was just so much more complex~! :P

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 04, 2011, 02:22 AM

I like how this thread has provided an outlet for more Apple hatred (that was worth me paying the price tag alone) - and a few justifications for the iPad itself.

Three days ago I had no intention of ever buying an iPad (which is one reason I've not bought an iPad 2). I've still no personal desire to use it myself - I just have a client that is complaining that their website doesn't look right on their own iPad, which means I now need to find out why - it's not a simple Safari issue as the site looks fine on non mobile Apple devices (another reason for me to hate Apple so much - their "perfectly designed and beautiful" devices don't actually display websites consistently).

That said, I will try it as an ebook reader, maybe a quick browser and email checker. The ergonomics of the device lead me to think that I won't use it much - so, I'll still by using my netbook when typing is involved.

If I do find that the iPad is genuinely useful - I'll buy an Android based tablet to replace it with when there is something decent to get.

In the meantime I'll just put the iPad in a brown paper bag when I'm using it so that no one sees me. If anyone asks what I'm doing I'll just say I'm stroking a deceased rat or something.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: JavaJones on April 04, 2011, 02:29 AM

In the meantime I'll just put the iPad in a brown paper bag when I'm using it so that no one sees me. If anyone asks what I'm doing I'll just say I'm stroking a deceased rat or something.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 02:22 AM)

;D Priceless.

- Oshyan

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: f0dder on April 04, 2011, 03:02 AM

In the meantime I'll just put the iPad in a brown paper bag when I'm using it so that no one sees me. If anyone asks what I'm doing I'll just say I'm stroking a deceased rat or something.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 02:22 AM)

/me pats nudone on the back.

As long as you don't drink latté while using the iPad, I don't think people will mistake you for an apple devotee - so don't worry too much about it :)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 04, 2011, 03:43 AM

In the meantime I'll just put the iPad in a brown paper bag when I'm using it so that no one sees me. If anyone asks what I'm doing I'll just say I'm stroking a deceased rat or something.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 02:22 AM)

Why not go one stage further ... spray the case black and put a Linux sticker over the Apple - then everyone will think you are cool!

Seriously - the comparison between Apple and its products and the explosion in coffee based drinks is very good. Call something latte and you can charge 3 times the price for it as a coffee with milk ... call someting an iThing and ...

You only have to look at other brands such as the BBC in the UK who think it is cool to have iPlayer ... I'm amazed Apple haven't sued them yet.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 04, 2011, 04:03 AM

I thought Apple had tried to stop the BBC using iPlayer - I could have just imagined it though.

I've already thought about putting stickers over the Apple branding, Carol. Using Linux would only make me look cool in places I don't frequent. The only people that will see me using the iPad will assume I'm playing with an Etch A Sketch, such is their amazing grasp of technology.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: app103 on April 04, 2011, 04:10 AM

The only people that will see me using the iPad will assume I'm playing with an Etch A Sketch, such is their amazing grasp of technology.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 04:03 AM)

They make iPad cases like that.

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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/09/etch-a-sketch-ipad-case/

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 04, 2011, 04:28 AM

I love it - now I'll have to get an iPad - just to turn it into an Etch-a-Sketch.

Now all we need is someone to get the dials to work the way they did on the e-a-s  :-*

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 04, 2011, 05:04 AM

Damn. Is nothing original these days.

I see the case is available on eBay for £30. No, I'm not buying one. I've thought of a better idea. I'm going to put my Etch A Sketch (received as a Christmas present) inside the iPad case...

...now that IS COOOOOOOOOOL.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 04, 2011, 07:02 AM

*Sigh* ...At least I am still pure.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 04, 2011, 10:08 AM

Damn. Is nothing original these days.

I see the case is available on eBay for £30. No, I'm not buying one. I've thought of a better idea. I'm going to put my Etch A Sketch (received as a Christmas present) inside the iPad case...

...now that IS COOOOOOOOOOL.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 05:04 AM)

I guess you also support the notion that true freedom of speech consists of the right to yell "Theater!!!" in the middle of a busy fire?
 ;D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 04, 2011, 10:47 AM

I guess you also support the notion that true freedom of speech consists of the right to yell "Theater!!!" in the middle of a busy fire?

-40hz (April 04, 2011, 10:08 AM)

heheheheheh, now that I do like.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 04, 2011, 11:59 AM

That said, I will try it as an ebook reader, maybe a quick browser and email checker. The ergonomics of the device lead me to think that I won't use it much - so, I'll still by using my netbook when typing is involved.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 02:22 AM)

It works well with the clamcase I mentioned earlier.  I use it with that instead of a netbook; the weight with the keyboard is comparable, while the screen is larger and the form factor easier to heft.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 04, 2011, 12:08 PM

Thanks, wraith. I'll keep the clamcase in mind - it might be something to use if I find I use the iPad regularly and need to type; otherwise, I'm not keen on the price.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 04, 2011, 01:34 PM

Thanks, wraith. I'll keep the clamcase in mind - it might be something to use if I find I use the iPad regularly and need to type; otherwise, I'm not keen on the price.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 12:08 PM)

I wasn't either... I got it off ebay for 60, which I thought was much more reasonable.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 04, 2011, 02:56 PM

Is that 60 dollars? I had a look on eBay and they were over £120 - which makes me assume they aren't that easy to get in the UK.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 04, 2011, 03:59 PM

Why not buy one from the US eBay then? They can't be charging over $100 for postage and most sellers will mark it as a gift.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 04, 2011, 04:01 PM

Is that 60 dollars? I had a look on eBay and they were over £120 - which makes me assume they aren't that easy to get in the UK.

-nudone (April 04, 2011, 02:56 PM)

Yes, that was $60 on the US ebay.  I think the price might be creeping up, since some people are spreading that they're unavailable with the iPad 2 out.  But it didn't seem like they were unavailable from the site...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Tuxman on April 04, 2011, 04:24 PM

An iPad?

INTO THE SEA! INTO THE SEA WITH AN ANCHOR AROUND THE NECK!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 04, 2011, 05:15 PM

Every time someone buys a Fruit Pad Cthulhu eats a kitten.

 :(

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 04, 2011, 06:52 PM

^ OOOOH!  I.MUST.BUY.MORE!  ;D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 05, 2011, 05:49 AM

right. iPad has arrived, it works. that's good.

the problems outlined by my client that said her page didn't display correctly on her iPad are not actually true. that's good and bad.

i've just pulled the muscles in my back by reaching to plug the iPad into the mains power. that's very bad and another reason for me to justifiably hate Apple.

at the moment, i'm not sure what to make of the device. i like the screen.

might look for a clamcase again - if there's one at a good price.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 05, 2011, 11:31 AM

i've just pulled the muscles in my back by reaching to plug the iPad into the mains power.

-nudone (April 05, 2011, 05:49 AM)

I should start a class action quick - obviously the iPad is not designed properly!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 05, 2011, 11:48 AM

Every time someone buys a Fruit Pad Cthulhu eats a kitten.

 :(

-Stoic Joker (April 04, 2011, 05:15 PM)

And another Shoggoth springs into existence in our dimension.

(If we don't knock it off, we're gonna be up to our asses in Shoggoths pretty soon...) :-\

@Stoic:

Eated Kittehs?

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Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 05, 2011, 12:47 PM

Every time someone buys a Fruit Pad Cthulhu eats a kitten.

 :(

-Stoic Joker (April 04, 2011, 05:15 PM)

And another Shoggoth springs into existence in our dimension.

(If we don't knock it off, we're gonna be up to our asses in Shoggoths pretty soon...) :-\

-40hz (April 05, 2011, 11:48 AM)

Just wear a black trash bag, and keep chanting Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li! ... Se we can blend in when they take over... ;)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: cranioscopical on April 05, 2011, 01:53 PM

i've just pulled the muscles in my back by reaching to plug the iPad into the mains power.

-nudone (April 05, 2011, 05:49 AM)

There you go! Proof positive that all of its detractors are wrong; they all say that it's a pain in the arse.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 05, 2011, 01:59 PM

Just wear a black trash bag, and keep chanting Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li! ... Se we can blend in when they take over...

-Stoic Joker (April 05, 2011, 12:47 PM)

Ah yes! Tekeli-li...The Chant of the Elder Penguins - creators of Linux!

(Have to get a white apron to complete the ensemble however...)

 ;D

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Little Cthullu. Not dead. Not dreaming. Just sleepy!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 06, 2011, 02:54 AM

I'm sorry to say, that I am completely underwhelmed by the iPad experience so far.

The only really satisfying thing about it is that it makes me feel absolutely justified in despising all things Apple.

I was originally going to say "let's be honest, it's a bit rubbish, isn't it", as I thought it had a few good points. Now I'm just sick of all the flaws and the iTunes and iPhone nonsense - I say "iPhone" as that is all it is, but in a bigger box.

Navigation is crap, Safari is crap, iTunes is crap, the "intelligent" keyboard is crap, it's all crap. I know it's all crap because a team of designers, developers and engineers at Apple spent a long time on this device, but eventually made a machine that has so many flaws it resembles a first time project that a 16 year old design student would create - something their Lecturer would quickly browse over and then highlight all the fundamental flaws on its first use. Honestly, how can such a machine come to market that contradicts all the expectations of what a tablet should do.

Is "Apple" a religion or cult? Definitely. There is no other way people would be so determined to excuse all of Apple's terrible design and user experience if it weren't all down to "faith". Reason and first hand experience are overruled in the desire to believe in the Apple Gospels; for the belief in the divine truth of Steve Jobs, is the route to digital everlasting smugness.

(I won't bother listing all the things wrong with the iPad, you'll either know them already from first hand experience, or there'll be hundreds of blogs that say it all already.)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 06, 2011, 06:43 AM

...Having survived the encounter with Satan, nudon's exorcism has been canceled.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 06, 2011, 06:54 AM

I'm sorry to say, that I am completely underwhelmed by the iPad experience so far.

The only really satisfying thing about it is that it makes me feel absolutely justified in despising all things Apple.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 02:54 AM)

Well if you sell, I'd say sell fast.  I think the prices are up only because the iPad 2 isn't actually in hands yet.  That's the only way I could see someone paying $400USD+ for something that costs $499 new for the next gen.

And if you still haven't sold in a month or so and are interested, in doing so, let me know... I'm planning on buying my wife one about then.  I know I enjoy it, and she does too... and it is uniquely suited for her business needs as a photographer (displaying some of the RAW images to her clients to let them choose which ones they want printed on the spot).  The netbook she purchased for that reason is a bit too much in the wrong form factor, but the iPad works for that brilliantly.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2011, 07:20 AM

Navigation is crap, Safari is crap, iTunes is crap, the "intelligent" keyboard is crap, it's all crap. I know it's all crap because a team of designers, developers and engineers at Apple spent a long time on this device, but eventually made a machine that has so many flaws it resembles a first time project that a 16 year old design student would create - something their Lecturer would quickly browse over and then highlight all the fundamental flaws on its first use.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 02:54 AM)

So you don't like it? More like pie in the sky pad?

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Carol Haynes on April 06, 2011, 07:37 AM

nudone on form as usual - you must have a contract for reselling your unwanted eBay purchases ;)

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 06, 2011, 09:41 AM

heheheheh, all very amusing comments. And a perfect way to sum it up; it really is Satan's SkyPad. If only there could be a holy war against Apple, I would march towards Armageddon with a smile on my face.

But!..

I will be keeping the iPad - for the moment. Wraith is right that it has it's uses. Horses for courses and all that. I don't really need to keep it for testing websites as I've now worked out and resolved the issues I was having with a client's website. (For anyone interested, mobile Safari displays text at one zoom level in, but not on all text. I don't see any good reasons for this but you can prevent it with "-webkit-text-size-adjust: none;" and other stuff to avoid targetting Chrome. Mobile Safari also appears to be tempremental about background images - which is a case of just trying other background sizes, etc.)

I *think* my parents do find using the iPad easier than a netbook. They still accidentally hit the wrong things on screen but the use of gestures seems more intuitive for them than using a mouse/pad. I just need to get one of the better iPad browsers that do really work how you'd expect on an tablet - mobile Safari is pretty rubbish, i.e. where's the gesture for "back/forward"; pathetic.

Personally, I don't have a good use for a tablet device. I will use it, because the instant-on/off is cool. The portability is cool. Erm, that's about it. I could test mobile Safari websites on an iPod Touch 1st gen (I think), so I could sell the iPad and get an iPod for a fraction of the price. If the experiment with my parents using the iPad fails then I'll get rid of it - but may well replace it with a tablet that works how I expect a tablet to work (if there is such a thing, maybe in a few months there will be).

I've still a lot to try out with it. Maybe jailbreaking is the way to go. Or just find the right Apps that make it work like a proper tablet and not just an inflated iPhone.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: superboyac on April 06, 2011, 09:52 AM

If you're thinking of doing "work" with the ipad, forget it.  It's just a casual, portable device to have with you.  Check time, check email (not necessarily write email), browse the web, watch some videos, go on facebook.  Anything more than this sort of thing will be frustrating.

There are no workhorse tablets yet.  It's not the fault of Apple or Android, it's just that nobody is doing that yet.  I'm guessing once Microsoft starts going with this (Windows 8?), then we'll be really able to use tablets to do hardcore work.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 06, 2011, 09:56 AM

I will be keeping the iPad - for the moment. Wraith is right that it has it's uses. Horses for courses and all that. I don't really need to keep it for testing websites as I've now worked out and resolved the issues I was having with a client's website. (For anyone interested, mobile Safari displays text at one zoom level in, but not on all text. I don't see any good reasons for this but you can prevent it with "-webkit-text-size-adjust: none;" and other stuff to avoid targetting Chrome. Mobile Safari also appears to be tempremental about background images - which is a case of just trying other background sizes, etc.)

I *think* my parents do find using the iPad easier than a netbook. They still accidentally hit the wrong things on screen but the use of gestures seems more intuitive for them than using a mouse/pad. I just need to get one of the better iPad browsers that do really work how you'd expect on an tablet - mobile Safari is pretty rubbish, i.e. where's the gesture for "back/forward"; pathetic.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 09:41 AM)

Try iCab Mobile.  That makes the browsing a lot better.  I also use Desktop at times (it allows a browser/app split screen... really cool), but iCab Mobile is my browser of choice (really wish it would allow you to change the default browser).

I like it for media consumption - I use it to read books and browse the web (and in my RPG game), but since I've purchased the clamcase, I also use it when writing my book.  The biggest pluses to me over other devices I have are battery life, single responsibility apps, and portability.  

I don't have to worry about charging it.  I've only had the charge run out once, and I charge it maybe once a week.  Bluetooth runs it out faster, which is why I found out that my clamcase makes me have to charge once every couple of days if I leave it on.

When I use an app, I'm using that app, and not shuffling windows.  It has made a big difference in my productivity when writing.

I carry it pretty much everywhere, either in the clamcase or just the device itself.  It's light enough that I don't worry about it, but large enough that I can actually use it.  I use it in addition to my desktop to view things that I would have had on paper or a book next to me.  Basically as a reference.

Placed in the right expectations, it's a home run for me.  The iPhone/iPod would be too small for what I'm using it for; this is the perfect form factor.  And I rarely use iTunes, so I experience that irritation only minimally.  I only use it to back up what's on my iPad.  Purchasing and everything else I do from the iPad itself.

I was as big a nay sayer as anyone else in the beginning.  But to me, it's been worth it.

If you're thinking of doing "work" with the ipad, forget it.  It's just a casual, portable device to have with you.  Check time, check email (not necessarily write email), browse the web, watch some videos, go on facebook.  Anything more than this sort of thing will be frustrating.

There are no workhorse tablets yet.  It's not the fault of Apple or Android, it's just that nobody is doing that yet.  I'm guessing once Microsoft starts going with this (Windows 8?), then we'll be really able to use tablets to do hardcore work.

-superboyac (April 06, 2011, 09:52 AM)

The iPad by itself I'd agree.  But with the clamcase, it becomes a whole different story.  That's why I had such high hopes for the atrix.  But the reviews have said that it's not there.  But I love that idea- the ability to have one small device that has different 'personalities' based on desired usage would be great!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 06, 2011, 10:15 AM

Good tips, thanks. I know there will be ways to make it work - just would have been nice for Apple to have done something better with Safari, at the very least.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 06, 2011, 10:20 AM

Good tips, thanks. I know there will be ways to make it work - just would have been nice for Apple to have done something better with Safari, at the very least.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 10:15 AM)

Oh, I'd agree.  I'd also agree that there are definite issues- the word completion really drives me nuts at times.  But it's a well designed device IMO, that's limited to a large part by the closed minded nature of the parent company.  Most of the limitations of the device could be overcome by 3rd parties.  But even though I've jailbroken my iphone, I haven't done the same for the ipad, because in the end, it becomes more trouble than it's worth IMO with the whole jailbreak thing (and that's a large part because of the idiocy of Apple, also).

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Kamel on April 06, 2011, 10:49 AM

The ipad, for once, actually offers something not pre-existing. the small form factor of this tablet and fact that it's completely keyboardless was unique to the market. now there have been many ebook readers which try to emulate it but nothing of value so far. i'm still not buying with a $500 price tag though, give me a netbook for less than half that price any day.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 06, 2011, 11:27 AM

It's just a casual, portable device to have with you.  Check time, check email (not necessarily write email), browse the web, watch some videos, go on facebook.

-superboyac (April 06, 2011, 09:52 AM)

 :huh: A portable device to check the time with?!?  :wallbash: Yeah, if you're in the habbit of buying wrist watches from Flavor Flav...
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Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 06, 2011, 11:33 AM

heheheh, perfect.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 06, 2011, 01:03 PM

I've just installed the app for ReadItLater. I've been using ReatItLater across my main pc and netbook for quite a while now, so I've managed to colled a few hundred links to "read later", i.e. never.

I must say the iPad version seems very polished - makes the whole exercise of trawling through all these old links quite pleasurable. I think the penny is starting to drop with how nice a tablet can be - when you find the right thing to do on it. Using this "app" on the tablet does seem to be a lot better than doing it a desktop or netbook. It even automatically downloads all the page content to read offline.

Here's a linke if anyone is interested: http://readitlaterlist.com/blog/2010/06/introducing-read-it-later-for-ipad/

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 06, 2011, 01:11 PM

Think maybe you'd like to get yourself one of these?

It sorta looks like an iPad  ;)

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Kidding...just kidding... (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/1Small/WHISTLE.GIF)


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+1 on ReadItLater. Terrific tool. I'd be lost without it. Liked it so much I sprung for the Digest option too.  :Thmbsup:

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 06, 2011, 01:24 PM

heheh, ooh, that old slate board and chalk would be an even better case to have than the Etch A Sketch one.

I must say, I'm really liking the speed of flicking through content (that's cached). I can see how this would be a pretty good "productive" tool when you're demonstrating things to people at close hand.

Hmm. I think I can feel the presence of the Lord of the I's (as in "I"pod/player/phone/tunes) slowly corrupting my soul.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 06, 2011, 01:36 PM

Hmm. I think I can feel the presence of the Dark Lord of the I's (as in "I"pod/player/phone/tunes) slowly corrupting my soul.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 01:24 PM)

FTFY

Beware the Dark Side - Use the force Luke!

I've got a Dell Inspiron Duo (Netbook/Tablet Convertible) here for one of our users. It's actually quite nice from working with it so far.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 06, 2011, 01:47 PM

+1 for ReadItLater... I have it too :)

heheh, ooh, that old slate board and chalk would be an even better case to have than the Etch A Sketch one.

I must say, I'm really liking the speed of flicking through content (that's cached). I can see how this would be a pretty good "productive" tool when you're demonstrating things to people at close hand.

Hmm. I think I can feel the presence of the Lord of the I's (as in "I"pod/player/phone/tunes) slowly corrupting my soul.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 01:24 PM)

For further corrupting influences...

General Purpose
DropBox, 1Password, Quickoffice, GoodReader, Evernote, iAnnotate PDF, Wunderlist, Save2PDF, XMarks, ICabMobile, Desktop, Amazon Windowshop, 2XClient, Reeder, Penultimate, Noterize

Hobbies/Entertainment
Netflix, Pandora, Classical Guitar, Rebirth, Adobe Ideas

Games
Carcassone, Infinity Blade, LOTR:Defense, Brothers in Arms 2, Splintercell, BoardBox, NY Times Crosswords, Kingdoms, High Society, Money, Samurai, Build-A-Lot 2

I've got a Dell Inspiron Duo (Netbook/Tablet Convertible) here for one of our users. It's actually quite nice from working with it so far.

-Stoic Joker (April 06, 2011, 01:36 PM)

I'd heard it was pretty lackluster.  And the android 1.6 was the sticking point for me.  How is the weight in tablet mode?  And how is the responsiveness?

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: cranioscopical on April 06, 2011, 02:20 PM

but the use of gestures seems more intuitive for them than using a mouse/pad.

-nudone (April 06, 2011, 09:41 AM)

I hate to be the one who breaks this to you, but their shaking their fists at it doesn't mean progress.

Also, I think you should begin a new topic and take us all on a guided tour of your toy box. You probably have better stuff in your reject pile than I can afford to buy new.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 06, 2011, 02:51 PM

I've got a Dell Inspiron Duo (Netbook/Tablet Convertible) here for one of our users. It's actually quite nice from working with it so far.

-Stoic Joker (April 06, 2011, 01:36 PM)

I'd heard it was pretty lackluster.

-wraith808 (April 06, 2011, 01:47 PM)

Me too, although it was mainly a the screen isn't as cutting edge breath taking as it could have (thoretically) been issue iirc. But after playing with it for a bit, it's really quite good. It is a bit dim on battery - to conserve said battery - but as I understand it, it will learn your behavior and dim the screen less often with use.

And the android 1.6 was the sticking point for me.

-wraith808 (April 06, 2011, 01:47 PM)

I'm not much of a "consumer"...So I like having an "full" OS to play with. My favorite toy is the command line.  *Shrug* :)

How is the weight in tablet mode?

-wraith808 (April 06, 2011, 01:47 PM)

Shit, were you under the impression it (came apart) made a difference too?!? ...I almost broke the friggin thing. It's heavy.

And how is the responsiveness?

-wraith808 (April 06, 2011, 01:47 PM)

It go zoom. I just installed Office 2010 std on it; install only took a few minutes ... and word etc pops right open in seconds (1 or 2-ish)

Being that I don't have a ton of experiance with touch screens (most piss me off) I'd say it's quite good. I managed to do the entire OOBE & setup via the touch screen without swearing.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 06, 2011, 03:34 PM

And the android 1.6 was the sticking point for me.

-wraith808 (April 06, 2011, 01:47 PM)

I'm not much of a "consumer"...So I like having an "full" OS to play with. My favorite toy is the command line.  *Shrug* :)

-Stoic Joker (April 06, 2011, 02:51 PM)

Oops.  I'd thought that this one had the whole win7/android thing going too.  There's one tablet device that has both win7 and android on it- android for quick boot/longer battery life, and win7 for power. (ViewSonic ViewPad 10 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/08/viewsonics-dual-booting-android-windows-7-viewpad-10-tablet-n/)).  I was mixing my devices! LOL

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nudone on April 07, 2011, 03:41 AM

I've been trying a variety of browsers and a few other apps for the iPad. Things definitely start to make sense when you've got some decent software installed. It's still not perfect, and it's still Apple, so I may just jump ship to another device quite soon.

It strikes me that the iPad is best used as a Reader - I suppose that is all it's meant to be (without extra peripheral keyboards). So, I thought I better have a look at the Kindle - I didn't know it had free 3G browsing. I think that is enough for me to try one - I'll post a new topic elsewhere on the forum about it...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: nosh on April 20, 2011, 05:12 AM

wraith808 -> Change The Default Browser On Your iPad | TCGeeks (http://www.tcgeeks.com/change-the-default-browser-on-your-ipad/)

Haven't tried it yet. It just applies to Google Maps and Youtube... bit of a letdown really. :/

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Deozaan on April 23, 2011, 03:16 PM

Is this how you feel after having the iPad placed in front of you?

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: JavaJones on April 23, 2011, 03:23 PM

More like chameleon was taunted with iPhone, but whatever. :D

- Oshyan

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 23, 2011, 11:35 PM

Is this how you feel after having the iPad placed in front of you?

-Deozaan (April 23, 2011, 03:16 PM)

Well, they say animals can sense evil...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Stoic Joker on April 24, 2011, 09:39 AM

Is this how you feel after having the iPad placed in front of you?

-Deozaan (April 23, 2011, 03:16 PM)

Well, they say animals can sense evil...

-Renegade (April 23, 2011, 11:35 PM)

Indeed they can - and quite accurately too. I react much the same way when approached with iWare.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 24, 2011, 11:55 AM

Minor point: Shouldn't torment a lizard pet too much. Most don't cope with stressful situations all that well.

First they get nasty...

Then, a little later on, they'll often become ill.

Vet time.

$$$$$

(Meanwhile you've taught your lizard it's ok to get nasty when it's around people.)

Bad move.  :)


 

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Darwin on April 24, 2011, 12:01 PM

The ipad, for once, actually offers something not pre-existing. the small form factor of this tablet and fact that it's completely keyboardless was unique to the market.

-Kamel (April 06, 2011, 10:49 AM)

Er, no. My Archos 5IT was doing this in September 2009 and it was the SECOND generation of Archos Internet Tablets (the first, from about September 2008 was almost identical but ran an Archos version of Linux while the version I have runs Android 1.6 (Donut). Archos also offered a 7" version of the original tablet in September '08...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Darwin on April 24, 2011, 12:03 PM

Monor point

-40hz (April 24, 2011, 11:55 AM)

Do you mean a single point or a minor point? I'm confused  ;D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: 40hz on April 24, 2011, 12:12 PM

Monor point

-40hz (April 24, 2011, 11:55 AM)

Do you mean a single point or a minor point? I'm confused  ;D

-Darwin (April 24, 2011, 12:03 PM)

Minor. Fixed it. Thx.

Feel free to ignore too. Just my 2¢ on videos where they're deliberately pissing off an animal.

I'm a bit of a choirboy when it comes to that. But I am that way without going off the deep end (ala PETA) about it. Don't worry. No soapbox or lecture. I promise.  ;D

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 24, 2011, 12:42 PM

No soapbox or lecture. I promise.  ;D

-40hz (April 24, 2011, 12:12 PM)

I'd sure as Hell hope there's no soapbox~! You know how they make soap, right?

SOAP IS MURDER~! SOAP IS MURDER~! SOAP IS MURDER~!

:D


(Sorry - just couldn't resist that one either~! :D )

But it makes me wonder... Just how clean are these PETA people? :P

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 24, 2011, 12:44 PM

Come to think of it, dirty PETA people is a bit disgustipating^w...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Darwin on April 24, 2011, 12:59 PM

Monor point

-40hz (April 24, 2011, 11:55 AM)

Do you mean a single point or a minor point? I'm confused  ;D

-Darwin (April 24, 2011, 12:03 PM)

Minor. Fixed it. Thx.

Feel free to ignore too. Just my 2¢ on videos where they're deliberately pissing off an animal.

I'm a bit of a choirboy when it comes to that. But I am that way without going off the deep end (ala PETA) about it. Don't worry. No soapbox or lecture. I promise.  ;D

-40hz (April 24, 2011, 12:12 PM)

No worries - I'm not at PETA levels by any stretch (I'm more of a PITA), but I object to mistreating animals for "fun", as well...

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: wraith808 on April 24, 2011, 01:14 PM

Come to think of it, dirty PETA people is a bit disgustipating^w...

-Renegade (April 24, 2011, 12:44 PM)

You don't need to put the whole link in a wiki link - then it doesn't point to the right location.

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: f0dder on April 24, 2011, 01:43 PM

PETA? It's fscking AWESOME (http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Cut-Meat---LASER-STYLE!/), man!

Title: Re: Please kill me now - just bought an iPad off of eBay
Post by: Renegade on April 24, 2011, 02:45 PM

PETA? It's fscking AWESOME (http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Cut-Meat---LASER-STYLE!/), man!

-f0dder (April 24, 2011, 01:43 PM)

That was funny! :)