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Title: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Paul Keith on December 22, 2011, 09:58 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nmnie/godaddy_supports_sopa_im_transferring_51_domains/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/godaddy-faces-december-29-boycott-over-sopa-support.ars

Hmm...I guess title says it all. Some notable comments are discussions regarding elephant hunting by the GoDaddy CEO.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20049362-71.html

One commentor said:

Upon some basic investigation, the elephant hunting in the way it was done in the Youtube video appears to be done in favour of the villagers. The issue seems to be that the elephants will come in and crush the crops of the villagers, so it's a practice there to selectively cull an elephant, and this activity is open to visitors.

I'm not suggesting this guy is not a douchebag of the highest order, but it does look like there's two sides that story in whether he was in the wrong to shoot the elephant.

And at the same time, I guess Jobs and Gates are a bit more selective in their choice of philanthropic activity.

Also Namecheap is the popular alternative and they have codes including the old BYEBYEGD and the new SOPASucks + another one called XMASJOY.

Another user also posted this big set of links:

Namecheap is just a reseller of Enom so I'm not sure why you might want to go there. You could go with a registar directly, here is a list of good ones:

www.pairnic.com - Pair.com's domain registrar, excellent company. Supports OSS and the environment.
www.dynadot.com - Excellent company with an amazing interface.
www.name.com - Good comany out of colorado.
www.gandi.net - French company, support is ho-hum.
www.hover.com - Candian registrar of tucows/opensrs
www.dyndns.com - Yes dyndns can register domains
www.internet.bs - Cheap, off-shore (bahamas) domain registration.

Wow didn't expect this to get popular, let me add a few others:
www.easydns.com - Canadian, great support. Even the owner Mark works on support cases.
www.dd24.net - Germany, good selection of domains and registrar for TPB
www.joker.com - Have heard some good things and some bad.
www.domainnameshop.com - Out of Norway, very friendly support.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 22, 2011, 10:06 PM
Thanks.

I think I'll be switching from GoDaddy as soon as I'm able to/have time. I've been with them for years, and they've been very good, but I'm simply not down with police states, censorship, suppression of free speech, or any of that nonsense.

Can some other people please chime in with personal recommendations for different registrars?

I have a large number of domains, and would like to transfer them as painlessly as possible. I don't want to have to redo DNS for every domain if I don't have to, so that's probably my #1 technical concern.



Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 22, 2011, 10:18 PM
I've been with DomainDirect (now Hover.com) for years, and have always gotten great service. The DNS thing is unavoidable, but Hover gives you complete and easy access to all the DNS records. They also push to root in realtime...So propagation=Zoom!
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 22, 2011, 10:29 PM
Thanks SJ.

I've just emailed a fellow I know there to ask about their policies regarding SOPA and whatnot. I suppose I'd feel safer being registered in Canada, but god knows that Ottawa takes one up the poop-chute every now and then from Washington D.C.

It's at the point now that I'm thinking about ditching SoftLayer for no other reason than that they are in the US. (I don't want to derail this discussion, but if anyone can recommend an excellent host that is OUTSIDE the US, I'd appreciate it.) I'm simply sick and tired of the downward spiral into the police state there. I already don't voice what I really think about some things, but I'd at least like to be able to post those rants if I wanted to. At the moment, I don't think that I could.





Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: rgdot on December 22, 2011, 10:38 PM
Canada, believe me I live here, is traveling down similar path. I have heard good things about gandi but have to admit 90% of my stuff are at namecheap.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 22, 2011, 10:49 PM
Canada, believe me I live here, is traveling down similar path. I have heard good things about gandi but have to admit 90% of my stuff are at namecheap.

Sigh... :(

Can I say that I'm proud to be Canadian? Well...



:P

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: app103 on December 22, 2011, 10:53 PM
I have been using idotz.net (http://idotz.net) for a long time and I am very happy with them. They are owned by BRS Media, a San Fransisco company that is very friendly and supportive to independent internet radio. They also accept Paypal.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: rgdot on December 22, 2011, 11:14 PM
Sigh... :(

Can I say that I'm proud to be Canadian? Well...


Good old 80s  :D
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 22, 2011, 11:15 PM
I have been using idotz.net (http://idotz.net) for a long time and I am very happy with them. They are owned by BRS Media, a San Fransisco company that is very friendly and supportive to independent internet radio. They also accept Paypal.

Thanks for the recommendation there. I think that I'm just going to completely get out of the US as much as possible though.

Maybe if Ron Paul wins next year, then I'd want to return as I think he can sort out the nuttiness and return to sanity.


Sigh... :(

Can I say that I'm proud to be Canadian? Well...


Good old 80s  :D

They're still my favourite band! :D

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: mahesh2k on December 23, 2011, 01:06 AM
India is going to follow the same footsteps and opting for a bill that protects religious sentiments. So it's okay for religious people to say "infidels should burn in hell" but you as a non-believer have no rights to lift a finger on them,It's a word of god ofcourse to create non-believer product and then asking believer product to save that  lost soul from going into dustbin, makes sense. This is no different than SOPA, as we already have politicians controlling RIM, Google and Facebook to control any random content going from india to pakistan or iraq.


@Renegade, I'm searching for european hosts as of now so I'll update thread for alternative to US hosts.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 23, 2011, 03:03 AM
India is going to follow the same footsteps and opting for a bill that protects religious sentiments. So it's okay for religious people to say "infidels should burn in hell" but you as a non-believer have no rights to lift a finger on them,It's a word of god ofcourse to create non-believer product and then asking believer product to save that  lost soul from going into dustbin, makes sense. This is no different than SOPA, as we already have politicians controlling RIM, Google and Facebook to control any random content going from india to pakistan or iraq.


It infuriates me how bad policy in the US seems to get exported... Monkey see... monkey do...


@Renegade, I'm searching for european hosts as of now so I'll update thread for alternative to US hosts.


Thanks! Do post back. :D

Please note that I am not interested in any services hosted by any UK company though. I don't see the UK as significantly different from the US. They're turning into a police state the same way the US is. Heck, they've labeled students as terrorists... Like WTF?

I don't know much about continental Europe though... My gut is telling me that anywhere in the "west" is likely to be suspect though... The news there about India is very disconcerting though... It seems the disease is widespread.



Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: nosh on December 23, 2011, 03:54 AM
It infuriates me how bad policy in the US seems to get exported... Monkey see... monkey do...

I'm offended, man! You don't give Indian politicians enough credit to be assholes all by themselves.

BTW Mahesh, I hope you aren't buying the "religious sentiments" line. It's a way to get a toehold into the machinery for future political censorship, pure & simple.

Disclaimer: 3 shots down.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: mahesh2k on December 23, 2011, 05:29 AM
@Renegade, I'm not going to opt for UK host because they have their own version of ACTA which is foster sister of SOPA. So I'm searching for hosts in other parts of EU.

@Nosh, I'm buying everything these days that indian politicians throw at us. This "anti-religious" bill is pending for quite sometime for unknown reason. You do know that all the parties are against passing bill that says "Legal action against superstitious beliefs". In MH, that bill is already on hold. As for suppressing political censorship, I agree that was the motive behind for lefties but righties are supporting this bill for their own agenda. If SOPA gets passed in US, It'll not take time for indians to pass our very own version of it.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: 40hz on December 23, 2011, 06:24 AM
Please note that I am not interested in any services hosted by any UK company though. I don't see the UK as significantly different from the US. They're turning into a police state the same way the US is.

@Ren - Don't mean to rain on your parade, but most of the world is turning into a police state if it hasn't already. We've entered the Age of Expedience. And our data links go everywhere. So geographic boundaries and national borders are no longer meaningful when it comes to political policies and agendas.

But maybe that's because all the corporations with real clout are multinationals?

"Global Village." (Fear it!) 8)

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: iphigenie on December 23, 2011, 06:35 AM
Most of my domains moved from godaddy years ago except for a few ones. I must say though that their admin tools are pretty good.

I ran an agency for years we interfaced directly with nominet and opensrs and even back then domains' cost price to us was cheap. So charging $19.99 like some do (or $35 like nominet does) is a tad silly unless there is a lot of added value (dyndns might have added value)

I currently have many domains in the UK with daily (http://www.daily.co.uk) which has reasonable prices, reasonably good interface, and actually has support people that come across as people.
I also have a bunch on gandi and I have had no problems with them. Haven't used their hosting or any other services, but domain name registration comes with included minimal blog hosting, kind of cute :). And they are clued up.

If you are moving domains that have active services, be very careful that everything is set up right to avoid loss of access

- godaddy does allow you to have dns set up for domains that arent registered with them, which should allow you to keep the DNS set up there for a while after the transfer. (I am not sure if it needs a hosting account for this to work, but it is probably worth buying 1 month at 4.99 to prevent issues). That way you keep your NS records pointing to godaddy until everything has transfered and you have configured your new DNS

- some transfers are capable of copying the DNS setup automatically but this depends on a lot of factors (your existing DNS allowing the info to be accessed for zone transfers, for one)

- use a third party DNS service to be independent of registrar. For example I use fastmail for email and they can act as DNS for domains. I also use xname.org (with donation!).
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 23, 2011, 07:32 AM
Please note that I am not interested in any services hosted by any UK company though. I don't see the UK as significantly different from the US. They're turning into a police state the same way the US is.

@Ren - Don't mean to rain on your parade, but most of the world is turning into a police state if it hasn't already. We've entered the Age of Expedience. And our data links go everywhere. So geographic boundaries and national borders are no longer meaningful when it comes to political policies and agendas.

But maybe that's because all the corporations with real clout are multinationals?

"Global Village." (Fear it!) 8)




Yeah... I know... But I'd like to find some place that's less "policey" and less douchey than the US.

Politically charged with pro love

I've lived in places where rights were restricted, but everyone knew it. There were clear laws. There was no illusion of absolute free speech. I don't mind that. I'm OK with most of that. I know where I stand there. I know what I can/cannot do. I know the limits.

With the US? It's a free for all. You don't know what is illegal anymore. You can be arrested for any reason at all. You can be executed for any reason. Tortured. God knows what. I'm not OK with that.

One time I was approached because one of my faculty had accessed a web site that was illegal for political reasons and that had come to the attention of the national intelligence agency. I smoothed things over and brought it up with the faculty, but it was still very chilling.

I used to sit around and drink with spooks. They were some very nice people. Tight lipped about a lot of things, but open about many others.



Really, I just want to move to somewhere that I can publish without fear.


BELLIGERENT.ME Announcement

Oh, perhaps this is a good time to announce...

I bought BELLIGERENT.ME for the sole purpose of being belligerent against tyrrany. e.g. SOPA, etc. etc.

I'm currently (slowly) trying to recruit a few people to help out with the site. There are some very simple conditions:

* Pro freedom
* Pro liberty
* Pro free speech
* Pro not killing people
* Pro tolerance
* Anti war
* Anti hate (except for hating obvious things like hating tyrrany/the police state/etc.)
* Anti bigotry

If anyone is interested, PM me or email me (my email address is very easy to find).

I'm in the planning stages now. I've got 2 people on board now. 1 is from here on DC - someone that I have a great amount of respect for.




Peace, love, and eternal groovieness~! :D

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: nosh on December 23, 2011, 07:52 AM
I used to sit around and drink with spooks. They were some very nice people. Tight lipped about a lot of things, but open about many others.


You've led an interesting life. :)
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: wraith808 on December 23, 2011, 10:15 AM
Spoiler
I used to sit around and drink with spooks. They were some very nice people. Tight lipped about a lot of things, but open about many others.

You can't blame them though; they still are some very nice people.  It's just that the rules have changed- part of the reason is the nature of terrorism, but the other part is the pressure for nothing else to happen while someone is shining a light and taking you to task on every tactic.  Not all of them use the same tactics, and most of them respect the rule of law.  It's the same thing as everywhere else- it's the bureaucrats.  And until the citizens are willing to take the government to task for everything that is happening, the citizens won't make a difference, no matter who is in office.  Voting is like any other tool- it only matters if it is used correctly.  And because of the two party system, our media, and our lobby system, that's been broken for a while.  It's just becoming more obvious.


Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: berry on December 23, 2011, 07:47 PM
Victory! Boycott forces GoDaddy to drop its support for SOPA
By Timothy B. Lee | Published about 4 hours ago

Under intense pressure from an Internet-wide boycott, domain registrar GoDaddy has given the open Internet an early Christmas present: it's dropping its support for the Stop Online Piracy Act. The change was announced in a statement sent to Ars Technica:

    Go Daddy is no longer supporting SOPA, the "Stop Online Piracy Act" currently working its way through U.S. Congress.

    "Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance, which is why Go Daddy has been working to help craft revisions to this legislation—but we can clearly do better," Warren Adelman, Go Daddy's newly appointed CEO, said. "It's very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it."
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 23, 2011, 07:56 PM
Victory! Boycott forces GoDaddy to drop its support for SOPA
By Timothy B. Lee | Published about 4 hours ago

Under intense pressure from an Internet-wide boycott, domain registrar GoDaddy has given the open Internet an early Christmas present: it's dropping its support for the Stop Online Piracy Act. The change was announced in a statement sent to Ars Technica:

    Go Daddy is no longer supporting SOPA, the "Stop Online Piracy Act" currently working its way through U.S. Congress.

    "Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance, which is why Go Daddy has been working to help craft revisions to this legislation—but we can clearly do better," Warren Adelman, Go Daddy's newly appointed CEO, said. "It's very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it."

Woohoo~! ;D

A win for sanity~! :D

At Techcrunch:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/23/godaddy-no-longer-supports-sopa/

For those who somehow missed it: after GoDaddy publicly stated their support for SOPA yesterday morning, a colossal chunk of the Internet (read: the chunk that understands how the Internet works) began to rally. There were no torches or pitchforks here; the only weapons here were wallets, all being carried off in another direction.

;D

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 23, 2011, 08:14 PM
Just got an answer from TuCows. They pointed me here:

https://twitter.com/#!/tucows/status/136637887608397824 (https://twitter.com/#!/tucows/status/136637887608397824)

Short version - They're some of the good guys. :D
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 23, 2011, 08:29 PM
Among the other good guys, the people over at YouPorn:

Copy & paste as I'm not linking to porn here --> blog.youporn.com/stop-sopa-stop-internet-censorship/

What it really comes down to is: Are you willing to put absolute control of the Internet into the hands of the US Government and a select few entertainment industry corporations? I know I’m not, YouPorn sure as hell isn’t, the entire PornHub Network isn’t, and the hundreds of thousands of companies and people that have joined the cause? You can bet your ass they don’t.

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: nosh on December 24, 2011, 02:09 AM
Please keep the boycott going
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nokde/it_sounds_obvious_but_godaddys_sopa_flipflop_is_a/
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: iphigenie on December 24, 2011, 02:46 AM
The list of companies who support SOPA is a long list to boycott - all the IP and counterfeight crowds but also a lot of strange bedfellows there

PS: moving domains that have live, active services is as much risk and inconvenience as changing one's phone - don't rush it (see my links in previous posts for pointers how to keep the DNS settings while transfering)
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 24, 2011, 05:39 AM
Please keep the boycott going
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nokde/it_sounds_obvious_but_godaddys_sopa_flipflop_is_a/

Hmmm... I'm waffling... I like forgiveness and redemption... Not sure if it's just PR whoredom on GoDaddy's part or not... If they're genuine, then that's one thing... Not sure yet...

But like why would they ever get behind something that insane to begin with? Baffled...  :huh:


Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: 40hz on December 24, 2011, 08:15 AM
The more serious (as in: with financial ramifications) push-back may finally be starting to kick in. This bit from OSNews. (http://www.osnews.com/story/25454/Facing_Boycott_GoDaddy_Rescinds_SOPA_Support?_m=3n%252e002k%252e336%252eer0ao011l2%252ebxr)

Paul Graham, YCombinator founder and investor, banned employees who work for a company on the official list of SOPA supporters from attending the YC Demo Day. "Several of those companies [on the list] send people to Demo Day, and when I saw the list I thought: we should stop inviting them. So yes, we'll remove anyone from those companies from the Demo Day invite list," he stated.

"If these companies are so clueless about technology that they think SOPA is a good idea, how could they be good investors?" he quipped.

Can't wait to see the insane pro-SOPA comments bound to follow in the wake of that announcement.

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 08:44 AM
Please keep the boycott going
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nokde/it_sounds_obvious_but_godaddys_sopa_flipflop_is_a/

Hmmm... I'm waffling...

Don't.

I like forgiveness and redemption...

Most people do, but it doesn't apply here.

Not sure if it's just PR whoredom on GoDaddy's part or not...

Total whore-age to the N'th power.

But like why would they ever get behind something that insane to begin with? Baffled...  :huh:

Hello! This ain't a mistake what got learned from. Unless of course the "lesson" was don't get caught. It's a pure and simple evil corporate money grab attempt at backing-the-winning-pony. They recoiled because they got $panked ... Not because they learned anything/had a change of "heart"/realized it was wrong...

I say boil them in oil as an example to the rest.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 24, 2011, 08:50 AM
Yeah... I suppose that was the lazy part in me not wanting to deal with moving domains and redoing DNS and all that crap... sigh...  :-[

Cripes... This is going to take forever... :(
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: 40hz on December 24, 2011, 08:59 AM
This ain't a mistake what got learned from. Unless of course the "lesson" was don't get caught. It's a pure and simple evil corporate money grab attempt at backing-the-winning-pony. They recoiled because they got $panked ... Not because they learned anything/had a change of "heart"/realized it was wrong...

I'm afraid Stoic is 100% correct in his analysis.  :(

GoDaddy talks a good game. But they're a big sprawling corporation. And many who have used GD soon discover there's often serious disconnects between what's being said and what's being done.

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 09:20 AM
Cripes... This is going to take forever...

It might not actually be that bad. When I transfered the company domain name from Network Solutions over to Hover.com they gave temporary access to the domain name control panel so I could preconfigure the DNS info while the transfer was being finalized. So the switchover was completely seamless.

Hover is owned by TuCows btw.  ;)
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: wraith808 on December 24, 2011, 10:16 AM
This ain't a mistake what got learned from. Unless of course the "lesson" was don't get caught. It's a pure and simple evil corporate money grab attempt at backing-the-winning-pony. They recoiled because they got $panked ... Not because they learned anything/had a change of "heart"/realized it was wrong...

I'm afraid Stoic is 100% correct in his analysis.  :(

GoDaddy talks a good game. But they're a big sprawling corporation. And many who have used GD soon discover there's often serious disconnects between what's being said and what's being done.



The thing that people often forget, is that corporations are not entities.  They are made up of people, and the larger the corporation, the more stratified the people are.  Maybe there is a disconnect in management, but there so often is.  There probably wasn't at the lower levels (and perhaps even at the higher levels- the people who couldn't convince the policy makers not to do this).  And perhaps those same people, in the face of the internet screaming, used that as leverage to get things done.  Perhaps the outcry by itself did nothing.  We don't know.

But what we do know is that those people are still employed there, and boycotting after a reversal will hurt them, and make the case less clear cut for people trying to work from the inside in the future.

The thing is, is there a history of negative actions.  Not that I've seen... and that history would bear out the boil them in oil attitude.  Not one incident.  At least IMO.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 24, 2011, 10:47 AM
The thing that people often forget, is that corporations are not entities.  They are made up of people, and the larger the corporation, the more stratified the people are.  Maybe there is a disconnect in management, but there so often is.  There probably wasn't at the lower levels (and perhaps even at the higher levels- the people who couldn't convince the policy makers not to do this).  And perhaps those same people, in the face of the internet screaming, used that as leverage to get things done.  Perhaps the outcry by itself did nothing.  We don't know.

But what we do know is that those people are still employed there, and boycotting after a reversal will hurt them, and make the case less clear cut for people trying to work from the inside in the future.

The thing is, is there a history of negative actions.  Not that I've seen... and that history would bear out the boil them in oil attitude.  Not one incident.  At least IMO.

Grrr...  >:(

Now I'm conflicted again...

Pulling out says that there is no forgiveness... But, it also says to other companies that they had better not go down that path to start with...

Sigh... :(


Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 10:55 AM
But what we do know is that those people are still employed there, and boycotting after a reversal will hurt them, and make the case less clear cut for people trying to work from the inside in the future.

I'm sure there are many good (albeit horrible misguided...) people that work for the RIAA, but that's not an excuse to cut-them-a-break. The SOPA is an incredible dangerous piece of legislation that requires a crystal clear message. We The People, will not tolerate the further weakening (and destruction) of the Constitution.

A bad idea is just that. A bad idea. And the SOPA is a bad idea. Any mercy shown will only give rise to the perception that maybe it just needs a better spin, or a more subtle pitch/insertion. The corporations need to be fearful of the people ... Not the other way around, which is where it's headed. An example must be made.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 24, 2011, 11:03 AM
But what we do know is that those people are still employed there, and boycotting after a reversal will hurt them, and make the case less clear cut for people trying to work from the inside in the future.

I'm sure there are many good (albeit horrible misguided...) people that work for the RIAA, but that's not an excuse to cut-them-a-break. The SOPA is an incredible dangerous piece of legislation that requires a crystal clear message. We The People, will not tolerate the further weakening (and destruction) of the Constitution.

A bad idea is just that. A bad idea. And the SOPA is a bad idea. Any mercy shown will only give rise to the perception that maybe it just needs a better spin, or a more subtle pitch/insertion. The corporations need to be fearful of the people ... Not the other way around, which is where it's headed. An example must be made.

Dammit... You just make too much sense...

In light of recent legislation that has turned the US into a police state (NDAA 2012), I think that you're right. A message needs to be sent. "You can't walk down the path of evil and hope to get away with it, and when you don't, fake some crocodile tears. You need to behave ethically to start with."

Incidentally, I just posted on the topic of right/wrong here (http://cynic.me/2011/12/25/sources-of-morality/). It's remotely related to this discussion in a very abstract way.


Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 11:06 AM
Pulling out says that there is no forgiveness... But, it also says to other companies that they had better not go down that path to start with...

Spoiler
so some people are on a traditional tour of the irish countryside. their driver, seamus, is more than happy to explain to them the involvement he had in creating each of the stops they visit.

"ya see that wall over there?" he says..
"built it with me own two hands...but do they call me seamus the wall builder? noooo"

they drive down the road a bit....

"ya see that house over there?"
"built it with me own two hands...but do they call me seamus the house builder?"
"noooo"

a little further down.....

"ya see that castle over there?"
"built it with me own two hands...but do they call me seamus the castle builder?"
"noooo"



"but you fuck one little sheep..."

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 24, 2011, 11:08 AM
@SJ - Bwahahahahahaha~! ;D

You know that you're sending mixed signals now, eh?
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 11:11 AM
You know that you're sending mixed signals now, eh?

That was a calculated risk, but I thought the joke fit rather nicely. Moral being that some things just cannot be overlooked regardless of previous good behavior.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: wraith808 on December 24, 2011, 11:40 AM
The SOPA is an incredible dangerous piece of legislation that requires a crystal clear message. We The People, will not tolerate the further weakening (and destruction) of the Constitution.

So then make the point where it should be made.  Anyone that even thought about voting for this shouldn't be in office come their next term.  But the voting is so dissociated from the actions of the politicians, that I doubt even the most frothing at the mouth anti-SOPA voter will even think about it come next election.  Because other things matter more.  Like... frothing at the mouth over party divisions.  Or something.  I'm not sure what... but there's something!

You know that you're sending mixed signals now, eh?

That was a calculated risk, but I thought the joke fit rather nicely. Moral being that some things just cannot be overlooked regardless of previous good behavior.

I think that with the quick reversal, and the prior history of good behaviour, this isn't one of those things.  If they dragged their feet in the mud and had to be pulled screaming, then I'd say so.  But not in this case.  The RIAA - yeah, I can see that.  The MPAA - yeah, I can see that too.  But this...?

I won't be pulling out at this time.  They've gone out of their way to help me at times, and not just to correct the problem, but to help me understand.  But that's just my opinion and my experience.  Let each person's wallet speak for them.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 12:22 PM
The SOPA is an incredible dangerous piece of legislation that requires a crystal clear message. We The People, will not tolerate the further weakening (and destruction) of the Constitution.

So then make the point where it should be made.  Anyone that even thought about voting for this shouldn't be in office come their next term.  But the voting is so dissociated from the actions of the politicians, that I doubt even the most frothing at the mouth anti-SOPA voter will even think about it come next election.  Because other things matter more.  Like... frothing at the mouth over party divisions.  Or something.  I'm not sure what... but there's something!

Congress was bought and paid for years ago, at this point we might as well just go after the (corporations directly) ones that are paying for their answers. Sure it's a bit like shooting the messenger - GD isn't one of the really big (problem) fish - But nothing says hell no better that a head on a stick.


You know that you're sending mixed signals now, eh?

That was a calculated risk, but I thought the joke fit rather nicely. Moral being that some things just cannot be overlooked regardless of previous good behavior.

I think that with the quick reversal, and the prior history of good behavior, this isn't one of those things.  If they dragged their feet in the mud and had to be pulled screaming, then I'd say so.  But not in this case.  The RIAA - yeah, I can see that.  The MPAA - yeah, I can see that too.  But this...?

I won't be pulling out at this time.  They've gone out of their way to help me at times, and not just to correct the problem, but to help me understand.  But that's just my opinion and my experience.  Let each person's wallet speak for them.

I've met a lot of really nice people in outlaw motorcycle gangs ... But I'm still disinclined to join one.  :D

^^Them I trust^^, they have honor, The SOPA crowd... Not so much.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: TaoPhoenix on December 24, 2011, 12:45 PM

I think that with the quick reversal, and the prior history of good behaviour, this isn't one of those things.  If they dragged their feet in the mud and had to be pulled screaming, then I'd say so.  But not in this case.  The RIAA - yeah, I can see that.  The MPAA - yeah, I can see that too.  But this...?


I'm not so sure. The quick reversal bothers me. It feels like the New Hotness way of doing things. "Let's announce a position! Ooh, we're getting boycotted! Okay, let's announce the opposite position!"

Trouble is, it's far from clear that the *second (and good)* position will stick any better!

In my opinion, we're seeing a new breed of politics. "Announce something, and if the public is too exhausted to shout loud enough, do it. If they do shout loudly then:  reverse it, wait until it becomes Old News, then slide a weaker form of it in later."

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Stoic Joker on December 24, 2011, 12:49 PM

I think that with the quick reversal, and the prior history of good behaviour, this isn't one of those things.  If they dragged their feet in the mud and had to be pulled screaming, then I'd say so.  But not in this case.  The RIAA - yeah, I can see that.  The MPAA - yeah, I can see that too.  But this...?


I'm not so sure. The quick reversal bothers me. It feels like the New Hotness way of doing things. "Let's announce a position! Ooh, we're getting boycotted! Okay, let's announce the opposite position!"

Trouble is, it's far from clear that the *second (and good)* position will stick any better!

In my opinion, we're seeing a new breed of politics. "Announce something, and if the public is too exhausted to shout loud enough, do it. If they do shout loudly then:  reverse it, wait until it becomes Old News, then slide a weaker form of it in later."

+1 Nailed it!  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: TaoPhoenix on December 24, 2011, 01:09 PM
Heh Thanks Joker!

And now for something a little different.

(To the tune of Lola, but borrowing some inspiration from Weird Al)

A bill was introduced in the House the other day,
Where they wheel & deal over Scotch & Soda, S-o-d-a Soda,
I found a congressman looking at a strange new bill
I asked him it's name and in a Wheezing Voice the Rep' said it's
SOPA - SO-SO-SO-SOPA...

The geeks are laughing a bit saying it's never been done,
A bill that breaks the net for every corporation,
oh yes it's SOPA - SO SO SO SOPA

Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand how they can
pull down any website they please and label it Banned,
SO-SO-SO-SOPA.



Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: mahesh2k on December 24, 2011, 11:36 PM
Here is good news for india as per CNN IBN... after 6th Feb Supreme Court ordered indian ISP's and social networks to censor following type of content - nsfw, non-religious content, content that makes fun of religion, content that makes fun of politicians and any other protest worthy content. Total 31 social network from around the world got this order from court. Good bye freedom. Welcome medieval age, lets respect idiots.  :down:
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 25, 2011, 12:56 AM
Here is good news for india as per CNN IBN... after 6th Feb Supreme Court ordered indian ISP's and social networks to censor following type of content - nsfw, non-religious content, content that makes fun of religion, content that makes fun of politicians and any other protest worthy content. Total 31 social network from around the world got this order from court. Good bye freedom. Welcome medieval age, lets respect idiots.  :down:

Hold on... Am I reading you right:

nsfw -- self explanatory
>>
non-religious content -- Anything that isn't religious???? This doesn't make any sense. Not even remotely. The entire Indian Internet must be religious?
>>
content that makes fun of religion -- Self explanatory
content that makes fun of politicians and any other protest worthy content -- self explanatory

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: mahesh2k on December 25, 2011, 01:14 AM
non-religious content -- Anything that isn't religious???? This doesn't make any sense. Not even remotely. The entire Indian Internet must be religious?
Minority faiths like pagan are considered as superstitious beliefs and they'll be taken care of under anti-superstitious belief bill. Atheism has negative impact on people as per indian thinking. Bombing in the name of religion is considered as atheist act, not religious as per these spiritually religious folks. You can't beat their logic. This whole stuff is actually to get control of the internet just like SOPA. This is to stop some of the protests against politicians and movements against corruption that are shaking government here. As 95% or more indians think that spying on people for ads or getting manipulated by government or religion is good, so it's hard to educate this country.

6th feb, end of free internet here.

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/npyuc/end_of_atheism_and_free_thinking_in_india/
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: nosh on December 25, 2011, 01:28 AM
A Delhi Court on Saturday ordered 22 social networking sites, including Facebook, Google, Yahoo and Microsoft, to remove all "anti-religious" or "anti-social" contents in the next one-and-a-half-month and file compliance reports by February 6, 2012.


A Google spokesperson told HT: "We comply with valid court orders wherever possible, consistent with our long standing policy. We're yet to receive the details of this order and can't comment on this specific case."


http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/socialmedia-updates/Delete-anti-religious-posts-Court-to-networking-sites/Article1-786483.aspx

If CNN-IBN (I'd be surprised, they're a responsible channel AFAIK) is reporting the rest of it, they're jumping the gun.

The court's order is against an obscene depiction of prophets and other forms of blasphemy, which the politicians fear will cause riots.
The last time we has major (country-wide) riots break out was when the leading opposition party led a pseudo-army to a mosque and demolished it. The government watched this happen. Of course, there's no telling how the Twitter/Facebook crowd (a fringe of the population, the so called "educated elite") may react if they see their favorite religious figure being bashed on FB, they just might burn this little country down. :)

The worrying aspect for me is that the judge used the term "anti-social", it could potentially be used for political censorship in the future.

BTW, the minister who sparked off this controversy has also tried to up the anti-piracy law. His son, also a lawyer, co-incidentally represents a leading company in the music industry.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111221/jsp/nation/story_14908906.jsp


 
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: TaoPhoenix on December 25, 2011, 01:40 AM

Looping back a bit, some folks over at Slashdot say GoDaddy actually still supports the SOPA bill, they're just reversing their PR advocacy. Not sure of the details, I'll leave that to my betters.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: mahesh2k on December 25, 2011, 02:00 AM
If CNN-IBN (I'd be surprised, they're a responsible channel AFAIK) is reporting the rest of it, they're jumping the gun.

I don't think there is anything left not to conclude. DOT this year made many changes that are are already in implementation e.g. almost every hollywood movie channel is moderated before broadcast. Watching movie like SAW or hostel is like watching teaser softcore porn in dark with absence of actors. Wait till they block youporn or any other porn site to prove the rest.

Of course, there's no telling how the Twitter/Facebook crowd (a fringe of the population, the so called "educated elite") may react if they see their favorite religious figure being bashed on FB, they just might burn this little country down.
I'm sure you're aware of Miraj Riot(2009) during ganesh festival? It wasn't that big and there was no chance for burning the country. I'm sure even religious folks here will not think social network add more fuel to this.

The worrying aspect for me is that the judge used the term "anti-social", it could potentially be used for political censorship in the future.

Yup. That's to stop protest from groups led by anna hazare, medha patkar and roy. This is basically a mix of political+entertainment+religious censorship. Mediafire was blocked by reliance last week and they do plan to take down torrent sharing too in next few months. So linux users are going to suffer in this mess.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: wraith808 on December 25, 2011, 12:01 PM
Looping back a bit, some folks over at Slashdot say GoDaddy actually still supports the SOPA bill, they're just reversing their PR advocacy. Not sure of the details, I'll leave that to my betters.

This (http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378&isc=smtwsup) specifically says they do not.  If they take any SOPA related actions/support SOPA at all, that would be the smoking gun after this explicit reversal.
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: JavaJones on December 25, 2011, 09:03 PM
I'm still pulling my 15 or so domains from Godaddy. I've always felt like they were kind of a scummy company and don't really like the way they do and have done business. The SOPA fiasco is just the straw breaking the camel's back for me, and I honestly don't trust that their quick change of public stance carries any actual weight internally, nor do I trust them not to support SOPA in other ways "behind the scenes" if it serves their interests. I mostly just like their prices and (some parts of) their control panel(s).

Looks like I'll be jumping over to Dynadot or Idotz. With ~15 domains, price is a factor. $5 more/yr/domain means $75 more/yr for me, which I can't really justify at this point. So Gandi.net and the many other suggested options that charge $15/yr or more for .com, etc. are not options for me, unfortunately.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: mahesh2k on December 26, 2011, 01:30 AM
Domain prices are increased last two years and now price of any domain fluctuates in between 12.95$-15$.

Xidomains.com  - 12.95$+ service tax (Enom)
Gossimer.com  - 13$+80 cents+ tax (enom)
Gandi.net  -15$
namecheap.com  - 11$+ TLD (enom)

There's one twist here that most of us need to know; godaddy has many resellers so make sure you check if the reseller is using GD services or not.

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: nosh on December 27, 2011, 06:29 AM
Godaddy! Actually, please don't!

Specifically, GoDaddy appears to be returning incomplete WHOIS information to Namecheap, delaying the transfer process. This practice is against ICANN rules.

***Update 12:45 PT – GoDaddy has confirmed they have finally unblocked our queries. The transfer queue is being cleared and all transfers should go smoothly from here on. Many thanks to our customers and supporters for bringing this issue the attention it deserved!

http://community.namecheap.com/blog/2011/12/26/godaddy-transfer-update/

Title: Re: Reddit Leaving GoDaddy because of SOPA Support
Post by: Renegade on December 27, 2011, 08:27 AM
Godaddy! Actually, please don't!

Specifically, GoDaddy appears to be returning incomplete WHOIS information to Namecheap, delaying the transfer process. This practice is against ICANN rules.

***Update 12:45 PT – GoDaddy has confirmed they have finally unblocked our queries. The transfer queue is being cleared and all transfers should go smoothly from here on. Many thanks to our customers and supporters for bringing this issue the attention it deserved!

http://community.namecheap.com/blog/2011/12/26/godaddy-transfer-update/



And.... The first sentence in the comments...

Thanks for the update and transparency guys!

Says worlds about the company there.

That's just so douchey on GoDaddy's end...