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There are about ten basic fonts that people tend to use with browsers, which makes me curious: What is your font preference for (1) screen/browser and (2) print?
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For readability, I like Neue Frutiger (http://www.linotype.com/610683/neuefrutiger-family.html?utm_source=LinoLetter-0907&utm_medium=email&utm_term=EN&utm_content=shop&utm_campaign=Neue+Frutiger+Shoplink#), since it looks great on both Linux and Windows machines.
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i guess my frequently-used fonts would be Calibri, Consolas, Lucida, Terminal and Dina. will post a screenie if i've got the time later.
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Tahoma 15...
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My preferred fonts include:
Development: ProFontWindows 8pt.
Mono-width: 東風明朝 / 東風ゴシック (Kochi Mincho / Kochi Gothic) 8pt.
Proportional: Verdana 7pt, Tahoma 8pt.
I'm not a fan at all of ClearType or ClearType fonts such as Calibri or Consolas.
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Dina while coding, Courier New for xplorer^2, not much preference for anything else. I do tend to prefer serif fonts for both screen and print, though.
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Verdana and some Tahoma for the UI.
Verdana for reading text in the Firefox.
Courier New 12pt for email and for any text I'm typing myself. I've tried a number of monospaced replacements of Courier, but none feels as good. The free Courier substitutes are often a little narrower (denser), hence less legible. If I can't type in Courier New for whatever reason, I settle for Arial.
Courier New for printouts as well, but I only fire up the printer a dozen times a year or so.
(Not too original, I suppose, except perhaps for my fondness for monospaced text)
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- For general screen use: Verdana or Tahoma.
Bland and functional. Nothing much to like or dislike about either. Both fonts are easy to read.
- For technical screen use: Dina
Finally a san serif font where it's easy to tell the difference between the number one and the lower case L!
- For print (everyday): Day Roman by Apostrophic Labs
www.fontspace.com/apostrophic-lab/day-roman
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A very clear, beautifully designed serif. And the price is right too. It's free!
- For print (publication): the Minion font family from Linotype :-* :-* :-*
www.linotype.com/1236/minion-family.html
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Learned about this font back in the days when I was very heavily involved in graphic design and publishing. Minion is easily one of the most complete, elegant, and readable designs ever created. Not cheap by any stretch. Especially if you opt for the entire family of 93 fonts ($275). But IMHO, Minion is still worth every penny. Individual fonts within the family are available at a very reasonable $26 each.
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Consolas (http://www.veign.com/blog/2006/05/consolas-font-hits-homerun-with-me.html) - This is my preferred font for development IDE's
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Screen: Verdana, Tahoma, Calibri.
Print: Constantia mainly (very nice). Actually I think most of the fonts MS introduced in their Office 2007 pack are good, solid fonts. But Constantia is the gem.
Monospace: Courier New is superb on screen, but horrible in print -- thin and spindly. Decent Courier print fonts are harder to find. You will find that this is discussed in exhaustive detail on screenwriting forums, as scripts are still always printed in 12pt Courier. I have a few different Courier versions on my system to use for monospace printing. For anyone who is interested, there's an "all you ever wanted to know" essay on Courier fonts for printing (including a comparison of different fonts) here (http://www.rolandstroud.com/downloads/).
These days, whenever I start using a new text editor, I make sure it has an option to use different fonts for screen and print.
Another monospace font worth mentioning is Inconsolata (http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html), an interesting print font for programmers. Consolas is good on screen for code.
EDIT: Forgot to mention another wonderfully elegant print font I use regularly: Adobe's Garamond Premier Pro (http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/landing/garamond/garamond.html). Beautiful, and excellent "readability".
I seem to remember getting this as a freebie when I bought Photoshop. It's one of the best freebies I've ever received. I received the entire set, which I see has a retail price of $200...
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- For print (everyday): Day Roman by Apostrophic Labs
- For print (publication): the Minion font family from Linotype
www.linotype.com/1236/minion-family.html-40hz
Wow, nice tastes. Never heard of either. Love how they designed the numbers.
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Wow, nice tastes. Never heard of either. Love how they designed the numbers.
-zridling
Glad you liked it. Everyone I've shown Day Roman to loves those old-style descenders on the numbers. It's probably DR's biggest 'selling' point.
BTW: If you liked Minion, also check out a font family from Linotype called Fairfield. This one is a little less fleshy with 'only' 20 fonts in the collection.
http://www.linotype.com/420/fairfield-family.html
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Yet another drop-dead gorgeous serif font. Keeps the best of traditional serif designs, but also adds a slightly more modern set of improvements. One of the better choices for text when you're setting type for a book. Fairfield was specifically designed to be highly legible. My tired eyes appreciate seeing Fairfield every time I come across it in a book or magazine article. Also a little $$$, but again, still worth it. My second favorite after Minion - with my old flame Garamond coming in a close third.
Fairfield was designed by Rudolf Ruzicka, a gentleman who created another beautiful font called Lake Informal which is also published by Linotype.
http://www.linotype.com/207/lakeinformal.html
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Lake Informal is an excellent choice for giving text a handwritten look. It also mixes well with more formal typefaces and plays quite nicely with Minion.
and...I'm gonna stop now. I can go on and on about fonts for hours....
But you probably already figured that out didn't you? ;D
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Hm, Day Roman... what's with 6 and 8 floating above the rest? Also, 0 looks way too much like an o, and 1 like I.
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As a non-expert on fonts, I always get a headache when switching fonts but everytime I was put in a position where I just want to rip everything apart, I always settled on Arial as lame as that probably is for font enthusiasts.
I'm not kidding. Sure I can tolerate alot of these fonts and I currently have Verdana in Opera and of course Times New Roman is default in MS Word but when you put a gun to my head, I always default to Arial. It just seems like the font that gives me the least headache regardless of text size, text zoom and text formatting.
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As a non-expert on fonts, I always get a headache when switching fonts but everytime I was put in a position where I just want to rip everything apart, I always settled on Arial as lame as that probably is for font enthusiasts.
-Paul Keith
I have received my share of criticism for my love of Arial. I tend to change the font to Arial in anything and everything that lets me change the default font. (The only exception would be in my IDE, where I use Dina.)
I just find that Arial is a very comfortable font to look at for long periods of time. Other fonts tend to make my eyes tired, rather quickly.
When creating something where I want a bit of a fancier more script-like font (graphics), I tend to choose either Adorable (http://www.dafont.com/adorable.font) or Harrington (http://www.abstractfonts.com/font/11869) more than any other.
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I don't really print much so I can't really say what my preference would be for that.
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Hm, Day Roman... what's with 6 and 8 floating above the rest?
-f0dder
That's a typographic style element called an ascender. It's cousin to the descender which is the exact opposite.
http://www.fonts.com/AboutFonts/Glossary/_glossary_A.htm
ascender
The part of a lowercase letter that extends above the x-height, usually continuous with a main stroke. The letters b, d, f, h, k, and l have ascenders; i and j do not. (The letter t, which has a shorter projection above the x-height, is often not classified with other ascending letters.) The old-style numerals 6 and 8 also have ascenders because they extend above 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9.
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I always get a headache when switching fonts but everytime I was put in a position where I just want to rip everything apart, I always settled on Arial as lame as that probably is for font enthusiasts.
-Paul Keith
I have received my share of criticism for my love of Arial.
-app103
Sod the snobs and enthusiasts. I sometimes think of myself as a connoisseur of fine typography. (So much so that I had to look up the spelling of the word connoisseur :mrgreen:) But I'll never diss anyone for liking Ariel. Especially since there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's a very workmanlike font - and one of the better screen fonts for web use.
I think it's also important to distinguish between what works well on screen as opposed to what works well in print. They're two completely different things. And the overall design and optical considerations should reflect that. Screen resolution is usually 96-dpi. Print resolution can range anywhere from 1200 dpi on up to the absolute resolution of the output device and media.
Ariel was primarily designed to be a screen font. As a result, it's metrics and kerning are optimized for screen resolutions. IMHO, it doesn't look that great when you print it out at 1200 dpi (especially when you compare it to 'printer fonts' such as Helvetica or Univers), but that's just a matter of personal taste. If you grew up on TrueType fonts and laser printers, I doubt you'd have the issues the old typesetting crowd has with Ariel. Again, it's just a matter of taste - and what you've been taught to look for in a font. Neither is intrinsically better. They're just different.
And besides, it's all about readability. At least in my book. One of the biggest complaints I have (with a lot of what passes for 'graphic design') is the tendency of many designers to treat text as just another graphic element. Text is not a graphic. Text is meant to be read. And anything that interferes with that is poor design.
So when people say things like:
I just find that Arial is a very comfortable font to look at for long periods of time. Other fonts tend to make my eyes tired, rather quickly.
-app103
and...
I'm not kidding. Sure I can tolerate alot of these fonts and I currently have Verdana in Opera and of course Times New Roman is default in MS Word but when you put a gun to my head, I always default to Arial. It just seems like the font that gives me the least headache regardless of text size, text zoom and text formatting.
-Paul Keith
...it just makes me wonder what possible argument anybody can really make against a font like Ariel?
Fonts are like wine. What's the best? Answer: the one you like.
:)
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Okay, it's the third time in a row I added wow to something I posted in the internet but @40hz, wow... :Thmbsup:
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For me it's usually Calibri for Windows Interface. Size 8 primarily as it increases the amount of screen real estate available. Candara is not without it's charm for the same purpose and I do switch to it from time to time. I find both are very easy on the eyes.
For printed text I use Calibri a lot again, it's the default in Word 2007 anyway. Serifs are nice too of course but most things I print are articles or documents just that bit too long of screen reading and invariably I tend to use sans-serifs almost all the time.
For programming I use either Consolas or more often MS Reference Sans. It comes with Office 2007 and for C++ coding in VS it can't be beaten. And yes, it is variable width (I can hear cries of blasphemy already).
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Eóin: how on earth can you live with a variable width font for coding? BLASPHEMER! Hell, for coding, anything else than Dina is blasphemy in my eyes.
PS: that memcpy()ing code looks somewhat dirty to me :)
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Not my code actually, I think it's from a WTL header :)
I find a variable width font very pleasant to work with. You can still use tabs for indentation and other alignment but as I read somewhere online when contemplating the switch- once things stop lining up you stop wanting them to line up.
Choosing the font was hard though. Most don't have enough space around punctuation, symbols and brackets which is really needed for coding where these thing occur in high densities. After a lenghty online search it turned out the perfect font was already on my PC, MS Reference Sans Serif (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1273) comes with Office 2007.
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That Day Roman is pretty, but the "1" I could never live with. It's just too much like a capital "I".
If you like the descending numbers, take a look at Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28typeface%29). That's the font I use for reading ebooks on my PocketPC (I've gone through minor headaches to ensure that I've always had this font on whatever I do reading on).
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For a proportional on-screen font, I like either Arial or Verdana, both of which are better optimized for the screen than any of the better looking print typefaces.. Arial is tighter spaced than Verdana, so the choice depends on the application, e.g., Arial for writing, Verdana for reading web pages.
For a mono-spaced font, my choice has long been Andale Mono, which I find far easier on the eyes than any Courier variant, and which also makes it easy to distinguish between O (Oh) and 0 (Zero), and between 1 (one) and l (lower-case L).
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Some of my fav are :
Corbel, Callibri, Verdana, Lucida Grande
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Ariel was primarily designed to be a screen font.
-40hz
I always thought Arial was a fairly straight rip-off of Helvetica,
but I see Wikipedia agrees with you:-
Though nearly identical to Linotype Helvetica in both proportion and weight (see figure), the design of Arial is in fact a variation of Monotype Grotesque,[3] and was designed for IBM's laserxerographic printer.[2] Subtle changes and variations were made to both the letterforms and the spacing between characters, in order to make it more readable on screen and at various resolutions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arial
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For those of you who want to begin exploring the world of typography, here are some links to collections of free fonts to get you started:
http://apostrophiclab.pedroreina.net
www.dafont.com
www.urbanfonts.com
www.1001freefonts.com
www.fontsquirrel.com
www.fontspace.com
There many other font sites up on the web, but these links get repeatedly mentioned in various design articles. Worth a look.
I'd also suggest checking out www.deviantart.com Although not a 'font site' per sce, many of the contributing artists have taken a crack at font design. Browse around while you're there. Some of the creative works on display at DeiviantArt are quite amazing.
Caution: constantly searching for 'the ideal font' can be habit forming. 8)
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I always thought Arial was a fairly straight rip-off of Helvetica,
but I see Wikipedia agrees with you:-
-tomos
Glad to hear that. ;D
There's a lot of things I'm not too knowledgeable about. But one thing I actually do know something about is type.
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Since Recently: Tahoma 12 everywhere, including the OS, Coding, Applications etc. I use MS Word in Calibri, since that is the default there in Office 2007.
Until Recently: Arial on the OS everywhere and Times New Roman (TNR) on word. I still use TNR for resumes and such.
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Just bumped into this in HackerNews:
Fonts for web design: a primer
...Modern CSS provides web designers with an unprecedented level of control over online typography. Restrictions are still imposed however by the limited number of “common” fonts—those typefaces that are generally available cross-platform. This article looks at the fonts web designers have available to them, and also considers their suitability for various tasks.
Along with exploring Microsoft’s “Core fonts for the Web” pack, which includes the most common online fonts, the article also looks at more recent typefaces that can work well online, along with briefly noting the new screen fonts created for Vista.
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/fonts-for-web-design-a-primer/
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The next step is to embed fonts in browser code. I think between Java and HTML5, this can be done. I've no idea how, though!
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The next step is to embed fonts in browser code. I think between Java and HTML5, this can be done. I've no idea how, though!-zridling
Please, don't.
Rely on the fonts you know will exist on normal systems, and keep fancy fonts for publishing. There's already enough presentation-over-content faggery going on with flash >_<
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My favourite monospaced font is definitely Monaco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaco_(typeface)). It's a TrueType font, works well both with and without ClearType, and is great for writing code because there's no way to mistake I,l and 1, as well as 0 and O.
As for the rest, I use the default fonts :)
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None for print as I don't print. If I would, I can imagine buying a nice legible serif like Bembo (http://www.linotype.com/128/bembo-family.html) or Plantin (http://www.linotype.com/1345/plantin-family.html).
For screen I use Segoe UI, primarily for things like file listings, menus and the like. Anything I used to use Tahoma for in the past really.
Consolas is nice for coding (after years of switching from one font to another: Sheldon, Monaco, Lucida console, Proggy variants, Speedy, Triskweline, Andale mono, etc, etc. No Couriers for me, thank you).
Calibri for pretty much everything else.
After some finetuning using the ClearType Tuner I've become a ClearType convert.
BTW This (lengthy) Cleartype Team 2005 (http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/scobleizer/Cleartype-Team-Typography-in-Windows-Vista/) video from the past might still be interesting.
There's an explanation from appx 12:19 about Couriers typewriter origins. Also some info on hinting and from 32:18 on the effect the ClearType technology can have.
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For screen I use Segoe UI, primarily for things like file listings, menus and the like. Anything I used to use Tahoma for in the past really. Consolas is nice for coding (after years of switching from one font to another: Sheldon, Monaco, Lucida console, Proggy variants, Speedy, Triskweline, Andale mono, etc, etc. No Couriers for me, thank you). Calibri for pretty much everything else. After some finetuning using the ClearType Tuner I've become a ClearType convert.
-sjokotof
I think Microsoft isn't given enough credit for its font development and readability via ClearType. Fontographers cost many millions of Euros and very few companies can afford this kind of technology.
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For a couple of years I have preferred Franklin Gothic medium, for writing in PageFour
- but I have not yet printed it, so I don't really know what it will look like on paper!
Everything else just follows whatever may be the default setting.
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The next step is to embed fonts in browser code. I think between Java and HTML5, this can be done. I've no idea how, though!-zridling
Please, don't.
Rely on the fonts you know will exist on normal systems, and keep fancy fonts for publishing.
-f0dder
+1 with f0dder on that.
Take a tip from the 'good old days' before CSS and the advent of all these nifty new HTML features and Think GIF.
If you really need to use an oddball font for a piece of text on a web page, compose it in a real composition tool that allows you to adjust tracking and kerning; get everything just right; export the result as a simple GIF - and use that instead. People with slow links and/or not a lot of RAM will thank you for it.
Here's an exceptionally fine example of how good a professionally done piece of text can look while only taking up 11K:
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If you have an extensive amount of text that needs to be set in a font not designed for the screen, do it up as a PDF and put a link to it on your page. It will load faster and look a whole lot nicer.
Just my 2¢
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For coding: Dina.
For most other things: Whatever the default font is.
Though when I do select a specific font for things, I tend to go with Trebuchet.
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40hz: ...and prefer not to do the gif/png thing unless it's bigtime necessary.
For coding: Dina.-Deozaan
Deozaan has gained +1 love.
Again: print != online. Respect the user's choice. Heck, even for print, restrict yourself. At school we have a couple of java books that... oh, how can I put this mildly? are so FSCKING JAVA!!!. Fancy typefaces, stupid clip-art, multi-cultural "wow this program rocks" (etc) that you end up having a hard time taking the course seriously. Pick two or (if you're really frisky three fonts and stick to that, please.
I'll take GangOfFour over HeadFirstDesignPatterns any day... based on style (of course based on content there would be no arguing :) :) :) )
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To my surprise, verdana was actually listed. This is my favorite.
I am just surprised since it is a microsoft font.
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40hz: ...and prefer not to do the gif/png thing unless it's bigtime necessary.
-f0dder
My point exactly, hence my saying: "If you really need to use an oddball font for a piece of text on a web page..." with due emphasis on the word really. ;D
Overall rules and design guidelines are all well and good. But it also helps to remember that not all websites are technical websites - or solely interested in conveying raw information. Some are designed and intended to be experienced.
For websites such as those I feel it should really be the designer's call as to how to do it; and for the viewers to decide if it worked :up: - or didn't :down:.
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For spreadsheet work and also for general desktop (for WinXP), I really love Ayita, from Ascender.
http://www.ascenderfonts.com/store/search.aspx?q=ayita
Their Droid fonts, Droid Sans, Droid Serif, Droid Sans Mono, are also available in the Google Android development kit (free) and are great subs for any of the web browsing fonts.
You can also purchase commercial versions.
http://www.ascenderfonts.com/store/search.aspx?q=droid
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Verdana for screen use, and TNR for general print work. That Day Roman that 40hz mentioned looks really nice, thanks! I also write poetry and use Colonna MT for that text.
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Arial. Helvetica, Eurostile
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my favourite is Comic sans MS
I am told it is what was used in comics
Maybe I am in my second childhood!!!
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my favourite is Comic sans MS
I am told it is what was used in comics
Maybe I am in my second childhood!!!
-jshelagh
http://bancomicsans.com/home.html :P
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For the web I either use Verdana, Tahoma or Century Gothic.
For print I tend to use some Helvetica variant or it's free brother Vegur (http://www.fontspace.com/arro/vegur)
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my favourite is Comic sans MS
I am told it is what was used in comics
Maybe I am in my second childhood!!!
-jshelagh
http://bancomicsans.com/home.html :P
-f0dder
Thx f0dder! LMAO when I browsed that site! ;D
Nice to see some of the Old Dragons are still alive, their voices crying out in the wilderness...
Of course why a collective of people who seem to be mostly involved in grundge-style urban art and bumper stickers would be so offended by Comic Sans is anybody's guess...
(These folks seem like the spiritual kindred of the people I learned print design from. That was the crowd that went around saying PageMaker was a fad, and that people would eventually realize "what a joke desktop publishing is" and go back to using real type.)
Now if they said they wanted to ban Times Roman, I just might sign up. ;)
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You guys sure know a lot about fonts.
For a long time I defaulted everything to Arial. Windows and browser is still set that way, and I always use it for a business letter. However, my long-time favorite and what I default everything else to is Maiandra GD (size 10). Easy on the eyes in every way and printouts are as nice as the onscreen experience. I do use other fonts for headers, depending on the kind of document, Harrington or Lucida Calligraphy for Headers in writer's programs.
On the rare occasion that I need a monospace font, I opt for Lucida Console.
No ClearTypes please - or anything that looks like them.
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Of course why a collective of people who seem to be mostly involved in grundge-style urban art and bumper stickers would be so offended by Comic Sans is anybody's guess...
-40hz
see the Ban Comic Sans (http://www.flickr.com/groups/comicsans) Flicker group - looks like a (barely supressed) love fest to me
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L O V E H A T E
:D
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For printing I like Spranq Ecofont Spranq Ecofont (http://www.ecofont.nl/look_at_ecofont_en.html), which has holes in each character and thereby saves toner/ink.
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I normally use standard fonts provided by Microsoft. I think Arial and Times Roman are quite readable, very common and thus perfect for web design. No hassles with strange results on your page.
But once in a while I want to print out something personal, something "valuable" with a touch of class. After discovering the font some 15 years ago in "the BIG Word for Windows 6.0" book I fell in love with Korinna BT. Great to read, even on long text passages and simply elegant and ... something else without being "too much".
Here is a preview I snipped from some internet site. Korinna is free, I think, at least you find a lot of download locations.
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my favourite is Comic sans MS
I am told it is what was used in comics
Maybe I am in my second childhood!!!
-jshelagh
I use it to - in my emails! ;)
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Thread Not for me, Better I leave, Not much on Fonts but when I design Magazine Pages sometimes, then I like Fancy Callipgraphy Fonts in the header... That's the only time when I need to select fonts otherwise I go with default fonts in browsers, in OS explorer and yes I do like Callibri, Arial and Times New Roman... But again I like Segoe Print & Brush Script MT
I search fonts in Font Navigator by seeing the samples and not by names.. (sorry Dumb of me I don't remember them)
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I really like a font called "Beyond Wonderland" for fancy work. Google search should find it for you.
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I really like a font called "Beyond Wonderland" for fancy work. Google search should find it for you.
-crossesfour
Very nice find! :Thmbsup:
It has distinct possibilities.
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Link: www.dafont.com/beyond-wonderland.font
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I like calibri.
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I really like a font called "Beyond Wonderland" for fancy work. Google search should find it for you.-crossesfour
Very nice find! :Thmbsup:
It has distinct possibilities.
Link: www.dafont.com/beyond-wonderland.font
-40hz
Beyond Wonderland really is good looking. But because of the very low number of characters, I'd say the 'possibilities' are actual quite limited! Sorry!
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But because of the very low number of characters, I'd say the 'possibilities' are actual quite limited! Sorry!
-Curt
How so? :) It has upper and lowercase letters, numbers, and a basic set of punctuation characters. Everything needed to compose text is there. Since Beyond Wonderland is a decorative or calligraphic typeface it won't have separate fonts for italics or varying letter weighs. Are you referring to ligatures, Unicode support, or what?
I could see Beyond Wonderland being used very effectively for poetry; picture book text; menus; greeting cards; headlines and call-outs in books, magazines, and newsletters; decorative "quote artwork"; monograms, logos, comic book captions and dialog balloons; love letters... and it's also the perfect font for drafting creepy-looking crackpot missives!
Consider: A rambling and vaguely angry-sounding 30-page letter that uses this font. Send one off to your favorite public figure, and it will almost certainly garner you some very serious attention indeed! (Most likely in the form of a 'visit' from the FBI... but so what?)
At least you know somebody actually read the damn thing! :P
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... Are you referring to ligatures, Unicode support, or what?-40hz
Sorry, I forgot I was talking to an American; they tend to think that 5% is all the world.
But yes, Unicode is the word.
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Sorry, I forgot I was talking to an American; they tend to think that 5% is all the world.
-Curt
Well, not quite the whole world:
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Sorry, I forgot I was talking to an American; they tend to think that 5% is all the world.
-Curt
Nice. Thank you.
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- oops, SORRY, 40Hz! I was not aware how bad my wording came out. Not intended! :-[
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- oops, SORRY, 40Hz! I was not aware how bad my wording came out. Not intended! :-[
-Curt
Sorry I misunderstood you. My apologies in return. :-[ :)
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- oops, SORRY, 40Hz! I was not aware how bad my wording came out. Not intended! :-[
-Curt
Sorry I misunderstood you. My apologies in return. :-[ :)
-40hz
Thanks guys..
* jgpaiva loves DC spirit
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Here's your chance to discover just how font (or cheese) savvy you are.
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Link: http://cheeseorfont.mogrify.org/
You'll be presented with a list of names.
It's up to you to determine whether it's the name of a font - or a cheese!
Awesome! 8) ;D
w/Thanks to Illiad over at UserFriendly (http://ars.userfriendly.org) for finding this gem. :Thmbsup:
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268 questions are quite a lot of questions, I think! :o
- but a wonderful idea :D
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268 questions are quite a lot of questions, I think! :o
-Curt
Agree. I'd stick to the practice mode. ;D
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Old thread but last couple of days I've been looking through the free True Type Fonts on Softpedia.
So far I like Angleterre Book the best for plain text. I think, unlike some fonts, it actually looks better
in real-life usage than in the "quick brown fox" screen caps they include. Here's Angleterre Book 12
regular in TreePad:
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But the e's and c's are the same :o
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It's user selectable. I like it. Others may not.
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I have always preferred Tahoma or Verdana.
Plain and simple. Shows well on screen and in print.
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I like Tahoma for subtitles. It's funny though, I downloaded 16 True Type Fonts that looked interesting enough to try. Out of those probably only 3 are readable enough for every day use in text editors. Maybe 4.
@Eóin I did notice that the lower case 'e' didn't seem to have the crossbar. It's such a nice font though. I have to chalk it up to Persian rug making philosophy. It has to be a thing of only God can make something perfect. I figure the (is there a specific name for font creator people?) author of the font had to do it deliberately for that reason. In English how could you not notice what an 'e' looked like? It's the most common letter. :)
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I figure the (is there a specific name for font creator people?) author of the font ..-MilesAhead
-mostly, a designer.
MyFonts also like to call them "lettering artists and illustrators".
http://www.myfonts.com/newsletters/rs/201005.html
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Eóin: how on earth can you live with a variable width font for coding? BLASPHEMER! Hell, for coding, anything else than Dina is blasphemy in my eyes.
-f0dder
Funny you should say that. I always thought so, but now I wonder if that's just a habit learned from the days of 80 column screens. And recently, messing around with an Autoit3 script in SCite, I was struck by how much easier the proportional fonts are to read than the monospaced ones are at similar sizes (trying both Consolas and Dina). (I wear bifocals if that matters.) Although the spaces are too narrow for my preferred 4 space indent. I should probably continue this experiment with other text editors.
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I often prefer to uses tabs rather than spaces for indenting, previously I had set VS to use a tab width equivalent to 10 spaces specifically because the space width in MS Reference Sans was so small.
However recently I've been toying with F# which requires 4 space indentation. So I fired up a font editor and changed the space width in MS Ref. Sans to match the width of a number. So now the font is, in my opinion, also perfect for '4 space' indentation.
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F# which requires 4 space indentation
-Eóin
There's a language that has a specific number of spaces as a requirement for indentation? Lordy! That's almost like going back to RPG-II.
I figure the (is there a specific name for font creator people?) author of the font ..-MilesAhead
-mostly, a designer.
MyFonts also like to call them "lettering artists and illustrators".
http://www.myfonts.com/newsletters/rs/201005.html
-Curt
+1 with Curt. :Thmbsup:
AFAIK, the closest thing to an official designation is "type designer" or "typeface designer."
At least that's what they're called in university level graphic design courses and most books on type design.
You'll may also see them (incorrectly) called typographers. It's a common error.
Like Mark Twain said: The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter—it’s the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.
:)
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It's because like Python, F# uses indentation to control scope.
To be honest though, I'd take curly brackets over the alternatives any day
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Eóin: how on earth can you live with a variable width font for coding? BLASPHEMER! Hell, for coding, anything else than Dina is blasphemy in my eyes.
-f0dder
Funny you should say that. I always thought so, but now I wonder if that's just a habit learned from the days of 80 column screens. And recently, messing around with an Autoit3 script in SCite, I was struck by how much easier the proportional fonts are to read than the monospaced ones are at similar sizes (trying both Consolas and Dina).-daddydave
I personally find monospaced fonts a lot easier to read when dealing with code - can't put my finger on what exactly makes it that way, but it's not exclusively being able to line things up.
To be honest though, I'd take curly brackets over the alternatives any day-Eóin
Indeed - it's amazing that people designing languages these days make such fscked up decisions as using indentation (and specific indentation requirements) to control scope O_o
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I personally find monospaced fonts a lot easier to read when dealing with code - can't put my finger on what exactly makes it that way, but it's not exclusively being able to line things up.
-f0dder
Funny. I always thought that too. (It's definitely not just about lining things up.)
I used to suspect it was from coding "to card" and (later on) to either a CRT terminal or a standardized input form. But there's lots of people who (mercifully) never had to deal with that nonsense that have said much the same thing.
Maybe it's some sort of gestalt or perceptual psych thing where:
monospace font = machine code and
proportional font = human language?
Dunno... :tellme:
Interestingly enough, many editors will tell you that a lot more typos get caught when a manuscript uses a monospaced font like Courier than they do when it uses a proportional font like Times.
Apparently there's something going on that your brain mentally fills in, glosses over, or corrects more when it's reading proportional fonts.
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It's user selectable. I like it. Others may not.
-MilesAhead
MilesAhead - how does that work?
I'm looking at the font and I don't see the lowercase-e minus the crossbar character.
(And how are you selecting it? A user-selectable character within a font? That's a new one for me.)
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it's user-selectable if you like it or not. For some reason Miles does.
select if you like it...:
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I don't. How can you possibly LIKE this, Miles???! :P
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Actually I downloaded the font, that only happens at the smaller sizes. So I suspect it's a bug, possibly the font is only really intended for print.
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it's user-selectable if you like it or not. For some reason Miles does.
select if you like it...:
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=19797.msg205358#msg205358))
I don't. How can you possibly LIKE this, Miles???! :P
-Curt
I think it's very smooth.
Just look through the list of fonts Windows puts on your machine by default, click them in an editor, and add up how many you can't even read. I bet it's at least half.
edit: one thing I do like about it, for readme files and that type of stuff, you can read it clearly without making it so large the editor window has to take up 80% of the screen. It's less likely to kick in word wrap if it's enabled in an editor.
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afa the 'c' and 'e' if you look closely you can see the hint of a crossbar. But yeah your mind would probably go from context to figure what what it should be. I'd feel better if it was fixed. But I think it's worth fixing.. unlike a lot of stuff in my fonts folder.
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And recently, messing around with an Autoit3 script in SCite, I was struck by how much easier the proportional fonts are to read than the monospaced ones are at similar sizes (trying both Consolas and Dina).
-daddydave
One thing I noticed about the SciTEforAutoit3 defaults is that they use an awful lot of boldface and italic. Turned all that off, and Dina looks 100% better and I think I'll stick with it for a while.
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I tried the Dina ttf. Seemed very hard to read. For now I went back to default courier new. Just for chuckles I tried the Book font. Really weird to look at code with a handwriting style font.
Semi-off topic but since you mention Scite, one thing that drives me nuts is editors that make it difficult to find navigation keys in the help. So many now it's trial and error how to delete a line other than selecting and deleting. Seems like if the programmer comes from Delphi it's Control-Y but if he's grounded in MS languages it's Control-L. Just seems like the last thing documented, if at all, is the actual hotkeys to use the thing.
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Tried Dina, didn't like it for some reason.
I remember the capital 'M' being really out-of place looking because the middle appears to go lower than the baseline.
For standard user interface stuff (desktop icons, menus, etc.), I've gotten real cozy with Eurostile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurostile). The square-ish look is easy to read while retaining the monospace techy vibe.
For everything else, there's DejaVu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts) and ArtWiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwiz_fonts)
:Thmbsup:
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For everything else, there's .... ArtWiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwiz_fonts)
-Edvard
Are you serious, or is it some far out kind of joke?
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Tried Dina, didn't like it for some reason.
I remember the capital 'M' being really out-of place looking because the middle appears to go lower than the baseline.
For standard user interface stuff (desktop icons, menus, etc.), I've gotten real cozy with Eurostile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurostile). The square-ish look is easy to read while retaining the monospace techy vibe.
For everything else, there's DejaVu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts) and ArtWiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwiz_fonts)
:Thmbsup:
-Edvard
Eurostile does look nice for plain text. Even the smaller sizes are very legible. :)
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For everything else, there's .... ArtWiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwiz_fonts)
-Edvard
Are you serious, or is it some far out kind of joke?
-Curt
Hehe, there's a time and place for pixel fonts, and ArtWiz fonts are some of the best.
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What do you think about this font dedicated to celebrities, having famous people with each letter? Celeb Faces Font (http://download.famouswhy.com/celeb_faces/)
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... There are no Reviews for 'Celeb Faces' yet.-famouswhy.com
It may be interesting for very short period of time only. Let's say, in ten years from now, only a minority will know who characters like X-Zibit, Kim Kardashian, Halle Bery, Paris Hilton, Usher, ever were.
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Unless they have Ed Grimley I don't even want to look don't you know!
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... There are no Reviews for 'Celeb Faces' yet.-famouswhy.com
It may be interesting for very short period of time only. Let's say, in ten years from now, only a minority will know who characters like X-Zibit, Kim Kardashian, Halle Bery, Paris Hilton, Usher, ever were.
-Curt
... maybe things like this font keeps their fame forever even after 10-20 years from now. ;D
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... There are no Reviews for 'Celeb Faces' yet.-famouswhy.com
It may be interesting for very short period of time only. Let's say, in ten years from now, only a minority will know who characters like X-Zibit, Kim Kardashian, Halle Bery, Paris Hilton, Usher, ever were.
-Curt
... maybe things like this font keeps their fame forever even after 10-20 years from now. ;D
-adi_barb
Speaking of fame, one of the strangest jazz sessions I ever attended was Nat Adderley. Before the music started they had these Post Office guys and a jazz DJ make this speech about these other jazz musicians whose images were being used for new postage stamps. Like, the guy who was about to play was just as famous. He just wasn't dead yet!!! Weird.
(http://www.smilchat.net/smileys/moyens3d5/3dpeur.gif)
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@MilesAhead:
Allow me correct myself.
I just checked, and I'm using Euromode, not Eurostile.
Euromode (http://www.truetype-font.com/E-EURON.TTF-Euromode.html) is a similar font made by Corel that has shown up on many of the free font download sites, so I'm unsure about any license details.
Eurostile (http://urwpp.de/cgi-bin1/dalcgi/source/fontliste0.htd?sprache=english&auswahl=-1&fontnummer=e004003t&yhpb-id=wdc6c6b0df27ed19849987dbeae12bccd5a861fbdec) is a commercial font with quite a history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurostile) and some folks like it just a little too much (http://www.iloveeurostile.com/). :o
EDIT:
Aha! I found an open-license alternative.
The League of Movable Type (http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/)'s Orbitron:
http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/fonts/12-orbitron
Orbitron was designed so that graphic designers in the future will have some alternative to typefaces like Eurostile or Bank Gothic. If you’ve ever seen a futuristic sci-fi movie, you have may noticed that all other fonts have been lost or destroyed in the apocalypse that led humans to flee earth. Only those very few geometric typefaces have survived to be used on spaceship exteriors, spacestation signage, monopolistic corporate branding, uniforms featuring aerodynamic shoulder pads, etc.
:lol: :lol:
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The one I downloaded was a free font. If you look hard enough you can find it. I forget where I got it and don't want to spend the time. Already found it once.
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Here's an interesting one. Looks like there's no upper case characters. Still, it has kind of a cool look:
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/roundabout-Download-160055.html
One thing for sure, you don't need Bold with this!
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Aha! I found an open-license alternative.
The League of Movable Type (http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/)
[...]
-Edvard
wow, nice site :) with the motto "No more [BS]. Join the revolution"
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Here's an interesting one. Looks like there's no upper case characters. Still, it has kind of a cool look:
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/roundabout-Download-160055.html
One thing for sure, you don't need Bold with this!
-MilesAhead
It is hard for me to believe from the readme that the author is a Dane, since the font doesn't include any of the special Danish characters. Weird!
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Aha! I found an open-license alternative.
The League of Movable Type (http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/)
[...] -Edvard
wow, nice site :) with the motto "No more [BS]. Join the revolution"
-tomos
I agree; nice site!
Also some of the fonts are fine; I've kept almost half of them ;-)
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Here's an interesting one. Looks like there's no upper case characters. Still, it has kind of a cool look:
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/roundabout-Download-160055.html
One thing for sure, you don't need Bold with this!
-MilesAhead
It is hard for me to believe from the readme that the author is a Dane, since the font doesn't include any of the special Danish characters. Weird!
-Curt
Curt, are you familiar with Aller?
Dalton Maag design team designed a beautiful sans-serif Aller Sans, sponsored by Danish publishing company Aller (hence the name). The typeface was designed as part of the Danish School of Media and Journalisms new CI and is now available for free use and download
it's first on this list (http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/11/24/15-beautiful-high-quality-free-fonts/)
- it's lovely printed, probably not a display font though (but I'm no expert in these things)
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-I guess most of our little kingdom is 'familiar' with at least one member of the Allers'. The woman in head of the dynasty is well-known for her visit to the northern Greenland and the North-pole on a sledge, for climbing Mt Everest, for being the first white person to ever visit certain man-eating Guinea tribes (and survive the meetings, that is), among other hobbies!
The Aller font is okay, but I don't like "Q" and "f".
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Now here's a cool looking font:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Others/Font-Utils/Royal-Acidbath-Regular.shtml
(http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/Royal-Acidbath-Regular_1.png)
It also comes with an outline font counterpart.
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-yeah, Royal Acidbath is really good looking, Miles
But it's not Unicode :(
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Well, there is a piece of software promoted lately that enhances the rendering of fonts. Whatever font tickles you, it looks better when using this open source renderer, gdipp (http://code.google.com/p/gdipp/).
The link leads to a descriptive page with screenshots that show the differences between the results of the Windows rendering software and gdipp rendering software.
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Well, there is a piece of software promoted lately that enhances the rendering of fonts. Whatever font tickles you, it looks better when using this open source renderer, gdipp (http://code.google.com/p/gdipp/).
The link leads to a descriptive page with screenshots that show the differences between the results of the Windows rendering software and gdipp rendering software.
-Shades
I remember seeing a write-up on gdipp recently.
Looks to be a promising bit of technology that I hope makes it all the way since I was never overly impressed by Microsoft's text rendering capabilities. I split my time equally with Linux and I can't help but notice how much better screen text looks in that environment - and on the exact same hardware.
ClearType used to just mildly annoy me. But now that I've gone over to non-CRT monitors, the overall poor quality of the text often drives me right up the wall.
Definitely going to have to give gdipp a try soon. :Thmbsup:
Has anybody here tried it yet?
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ClearType used to just mildly annoy me. But now that I've gone over to non-CRT monitors, the overall poor quality of the text often drives me right up the wall.-40hz
Personally I can't stand Linux font rendering. But I guess I'm just used to the Windows approach. I couldn't live without ClearType though. Even on CRTs I turn it on.
gdipp looks very interesting, I may try it out. Though from the screenshots it looks a lot like they just made the font strokes thicker. Whereas I do like thinner weights by defaults.
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Personally I can't stand Linux font rendering. But I guess I'm just used to the Windows approach.
-Eóin
Thank goodness there are choices! ;D
I couldn't live without ClearType though. Even on CRTs I turn it on.
-Eóin
+1. It makes things slightly more bearable. But again, it's what looks best to each individual. :Thmbsup:
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... give gdipp a try soon. :Thmbsup:
Has anybody here tried it yet?
-40hz
I installed it as a service, and re-booted, but don't see much difference.
The biggest difference is in details' view in Explorer where the file names' characters now have a thinner line. All in all, this is very little to go for. However, I already have ClearType installed. The combination may diminish the effect?
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I just installed gdipp. I can't tell the difference. It's a service, so I stopped it and restarted and I didn't see anything change. but maybe I don't have an eye for these things. What should I be looking for?
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should we start a new thread >> My Least Favourite Font << ?? :)
Does ghacks have the most ugly font display on the Internet?
in my Firefox 3.6:
((https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22876.0;attach=49085;image))
-Curt
Anyone know what font it is? Something narrow. I find it difficult to read (@ 1680 x 1050) but I like it at about 300% of that ... FWIW ;)
[edit] oups :-[ forgot the link to the lifehacker page http://www.ghacks.net/2010/05/27/switch-default-computer-printers-automatically/ where you can actually see the font [/edit]
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should we start a new thread >> My Least Favourite Font << ?? :)
Does ghacks have the most ugly font display on the Internet?
in my Firefox 3.6:
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-Curt
... the link to the lifehacker page http://www.ghacks.net/2010/05/27/switch-default-computer-printers-automatically/ where you can actually see the font [/edit]
-tomos
[hint] It would be interesting to see what that page (http://www.ghacks.net/2010/05/27/switch-default-computer-printers-automatically) looks like in other peoples' browser [/hint]
Wold you people care to take a similar screenshot and upload it, please?
:tellme:
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here you go!
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hmm looks a lot better in mine Curt !! (also FF - 3.6.3)
the spacing between the letters on your shot can only be described as, eh, very bad :)
I think it's a different font - they look similar but yours is definitely narrower
What's your default font in Options>>Content ?
(Verdana here but I dont have time to check if that Verdana in my screenshot..)
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Normally I have it set for Times New Roman 16
With Verdana 16 as default it looks like this:
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-but that doesn't look at all like Verdana.
Nor did my first screenshot look anything like Times New Roman.
I don't understand this subject.
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I just installed gdipp. I can't tell the difference. It's a service, so I stopped it and restarted and I didn't see anything change. but maybe I don't have an eye for these things. What should I be looking for?
-superboyac
Actually, i rebooted, and there is quite a bit of difference. Wow.
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- I also have re-booted but still don't see any difference worth mentioning. So now I am the one asking, what should I be looking for?
And, do you have ClearType as well?
Edited:
Looking inside some text files has made me see one of the improvements:
Courier New 10 is A LOT nicer now!
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I think gdipp initially screws up some stuff on your computer. there's a lot of flickering, errors, weird problems. But then they go away. Almost like it's rendering for the first time, and once it does it, things are ok.
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This site is supposed to help you roll your own:
http://www.freedownloadaday.com/2010/05/28/build-your-own-fonts-for-free/
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Curt, is it working for you yet? I had to manually start the services on my Win7 x64 before the new rendering engine kicked in.
For anyone else curious I'm attaching a screenshot from Iron, other programs all look similar.
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Sure does feel like I'm on Linux all of a sudden :D. Needless to say I'll be uninstalling it ASAP. I can appreciate it may just be that I'm too accustomed to the Windows style of font rendering, but all the dodgy spacing/kerning that can be seen in the screenshot just looks very inelegant to me.
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-as far as I can(not) understand, any effect of gdipp also has to do with what type of monitor I am using? Mine is a LCD screen from the previous century, named Eizo FlexScan L360, (a TFT type, I am told). Very hype back then, but now just very old.
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I think gdipp initially screws up some stuff on your computer. there's a lot of flickering, errors, weird problems. But then they go away. Almost like it's rendering for the first time, and once it does it, things are ok.
-superboyac
I suspect that's probably caused by some sort of initial background font rendering and caching of all the fonts on your machine. Once the metrics and outlines got cached the problem would go away if that is the case.
Man, I gotta get this little ogre up on something so I can check it out!
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OK it's installed (XP-SP3), and as others have already noted, there are some subtle but big differences in text appearance. Looks like they optimized letter appearance at the expense of spacing whenever push came to shove.
Kerning is a little dodgy at times. Primarily in web browsers (FF and IE).
But for everything else I'm looking at, I think I like gdipp's rendering more.
Verdana's lowercase M likes to 'crash' into most following characters, but it doesn't pose a problem for reading purposes.
Text rendering, like most things, is a series of trade-offs. I guess it all comes down to what looks best to you.
8)
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[hint] It would be interesting to see what that page (http://www.ghacks.net/2010/05/27/switch-default-computer-printers-automatically) looks like in other peoples' browser [/hint]
Wold you people care to take a similar screenshot and upload it, please?
:tellme:
-Curt
This is on a Vista laptop with ClearType enabled:
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Though I can't say it's the nicest font, the rendering looks fine to me...
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mwb1100; your's are fine.
But what font do you have for default in that browser?
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mwb1100; your's are fine.
But what font do you have for default in that browser?
-Curt
I dont think the default font makes any difference with that site - maybe I thought the font in your screenshot was different to mine because the kerning is so bad on yours: it makes the font look a lot narrower
zoomed in a little on your screenshot:
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definitely something odd going on there - was it after you installed that gdippy thingy for the type?
I see 40hz says:
Kerning is a little dodgy at times. Primarily in web browsers (FF and IE). -40hz
Curt's screenshot is more than a *little* dodgy though imo...
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mwb1100; your's are fine.
But what font do you have for default in that browser?
-Curt
My screenshot was from FireFox 3.6.3. The Default font is "Times New Roman", size 16. In the 'Advanced' font dialog, the following options are set:
- Proportional: Serif
- Serif: Times New Roman
- Sans-serif: Arial
- Monospace: Courier New
And "Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my selections above" is checked.
I think that the page is choosing its own font - browsers typically use the font specified by the web page, unless that font isn't installed on the system. Actually, web pages can specify a set of acceptable fonts or font-families, and the browser will choose the first match (if possible). Only if no match is found will it end up using the default.
My CSS skills are pretty sketchy, but from what I can tell, it looks like that webpage is specifying that one of the following fonts be used (in order of preference):
- Helvetica, Arial, "Liberation Sans", "Bitstream Vera Sans", sans-serif
My Vista system doesn't have a "Helvetica" font, but all Windows systems do (or should) have "Arial". Maybe your system has a font named "Helvetica" installed that doesn't work as well as Arial for this page?
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-my font settings are just like yours. And Yes, I have a family named Helvetica. But the family is so big that the father was named Helvetica-Normal, just to stand out! Though, whether it really is normal, I am not qualified to tell:
click for large:
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click for large:
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Great, now I "must" also purchase myself a font manager! :-\
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My Vista system doesn't have a "Helvetica" font, but all Windows systems do (or should) have "Arial". Maybe your system has a font named "Helvetica" installed that doesn't work as well as Arial for this page?
-mwb1100
I have seen (and not fully understood) in some programme that listed fonts in a file I created, that Arials 'Postscript name' is actually Helvetica - this was with the Arial font that came with XP (SP2) which is some sort of mongrel TrueType/OpenType
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Curt,
you dont need to buy a font manager (unless you have big plans!) there's a bunch of free ones out there - Veign has a free/donationware one - Cfontpro
http://www.cfontpro.com/
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I am impressed how much Veign has done to Cfont Pro since the last time I tried it some years ago. I will certainly test it for some time. Thanks, Tom!
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I am impressed how much Veign has done to Cfont Pro since the last time I tried it some years ago. I will certainly test it for some time. Thanks, Tom!
-Curt
there's probably a bunch of other free ones too - I have a paid one (MainType) - but that cause I won it here on dc :D
I'm sure there's a thread here on the subject too ... Font managers reviews and opinions (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=14780.0)
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I have seen (and not fully understood) in some programme that listed fonts in a file I created, that Arials 'Postscript name' is actually Helvetica - this was with the Arial font that came with XP (SP2) which is some sort of mongrel TrueType/OpenType
-tomos
I don't understand much of it either, but Wikipedia says this:
Similar typefaces
Comparison of Helvetica and Arial.
Generic versions of Helvetica have been made by various vendors, including Monotype Imaging (CG Triumvirate), ParaType (Pragmatica), Bitstream (Swiss 721), URW (Nimbus Sans).
Monotype's Arial, designed in 1982, while different from Helvetica in some few details, has identical character widths, and is indistinguishable by most non-specialists. The capital letters C, G, and R, as well as the lowercase letters a, e, r, and t, are useful for quickly distinguishing Arial and Helvetica.[13] Differences include:
* Helvetica's strokes are typically cut either horizontally or vertically. This is especially visible in the t, r, f, and C. Arial employs slanted stroke cuts.
* Helvetica's G has a well-defined spur; Arial does not.
* The tails of the R glyphs and the a glyphs are different.
"Helv", later known as "MS Sans Serif", is a sans-serif typeface that shares many key characteristics to Helvetica, including the horizontally and vertically aligned stroke terminators and more uniformed stroke widths within a glyph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica-Wikipedia, about Helvetica
and more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_family_%28HTML%29
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MainType... cause I won it here on dc :D
I'm sure there's a thread here on the subject too ... Font managers reviews and opinions (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=14780.0)
-tomos
From time to time I have purchased some cheap font managers, only to find they later (or already) were abandoned. I guess one of my prime reasons for buying "cheap" have been the price of the recommended ones. $49 and $59 may be okay prices for MainType 3 (http://www.high-logic.com/maintype.html) and FontExpert 2010 (http://www.proximasoftware.com/fontexpert/), if they were to keep for life. But they are not lifetime licenses, and the upgrade prices are $29 and $39 - making especially FontExpert much too expensive, I think. Changes are not that big, it seems, but major versions come quick (*ALMOST* as often as Ashampoo!)!
Did you stick with your gratis version 2, tomos, or have you paid the $29 fee?
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From time to time I have purchased some cheap font managers, only to find they later (or already) were abandoned. I guess one of my prime reasons for buying "cheap" have been the price of the recommended ones. $49 and $59 may be okay prices for MainType 3 (http://www.high-logic.com/maintype.html) and FontExpert 2010 (http://www.proximasoftware.com/fontexpert/), if they were to keep for life. But they are not lifetime licenses, and the upgrade prices are $29 and $39 - making especially FontExpert much too expensive, I think. Changes are not that big, it seems, but major versions come quick (*ALMOST* as often as Ashampoo!)!
Did you stick with your gratis version 2, tomos, or have you paid the $29 fee?
-Curt
I moved my response to the Font Managers thread
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=14780.msg207300#msg207300
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I uninstalled gdipp from my work computer. It made just about every program running on it give errors of some sort. I took it off and everything works well again. but I liked what it did with the fonts.
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I also removed it, but only because the difference before/after made me ehh... indifferent...
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Yesterday SoftMaker launched a new font family, Ballantines:
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/softmaker/ballantines-serial/
All 7 fonts: only $29.99
click for large (723x585 pixels):
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Only the fat (bold) font is part of SoftMaker's infiniType 3 http://www.infinitype.com/samp/BallantinesSerial-Bold.htm , the rest is so new it isn't even on SoftMaker's site, yet.
Edited:
The word processor will merely display these seven fonts as six fonts because bold of course is regular plus the bold button, (I searched for a long time before understanding this).
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Whew, now I tried to live without gdipp for some hours and noticed that I don't like it anymore. (Running 0.8.2 here.)
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Whew, now I tried to live without gdipp for some hours and noticed that I don't like it anymore. (Running 0.8.2 here.)
-Tuxman
I did really like what gdipp did to the fonts. But it was causing almost all of the computer's programs to have errors.
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None of mine! The 0.7.x versions had some problems, but all of them are solved in 0.8 AFAICS. At least for me... :-[
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Comic Sans, Trebuchet, and others, have been updated with new features like Ligatures, and Swash and Stylistic Alternates (for Microsoft Publisher).
Add "2010" to the font name.
Payware.
Ascender 2010 Font Pack: http://www.fontmarketplace.com/font/ascender-2010-pack.aspx
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Bitstream hosts a very informative website for people interested in type.
It was recently redesigned, and IMHO is better than ever.
Link here: http://new.myfonts.com
They also do a great monthly newsletter where they interview a type designer each issue. Good source for insights into the artistic and technical design process of type. Very well written so it's also a "good read."
You can view current and back issues at the website, or subscibe and have it come to your mailbox. This is one of the very few newsletters I do subscribe to.
Recommended. 8)
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This is pretty scary youtube video in lots of ways - but I found it very funny too - and I like the font :p
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Neutraface (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCu28bfxSI&feature=channel)
via Fast Company (http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/your-personality-summarized-typeface)
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I finally found a good use for the RayGun font. It looks good as idx/sub subtitles made by AviAddXSubs. After experimentation I found out that my WD HD TV for USB set top box will show the subtitle border if YUV option is checked on Configuration 2 page.
Unfortunately I have 1st gen WD player and it does not display colors for external idx/sub subtitles. But at least this scheme stands out even over a white background. With YUV option checked it shows a funky color on the PC which deterred me from trying the setting earlier. But on the WD box it looks like the standard white characters with black border.
I think the RayGun font looks much better than Tahoma or Ariel for subs. It doesn't have the puffy periphery I dislike.
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I finally found a good use for the RayGun font. It looks good as idx/sub subtitles made by AviAddXSubs. After experimentation I found out that my WD HD TV for USB set top box will show the subtitle border if YUV option is checked on Configuration 2 page.
Unfortunately I have 1st gen WD player and it does not display colors for external idx/sub subtitles. But at least this scheme stands out even over a white background. With YUV option checked it shows a funky color on the PC which deterred me from trying the setting earlier. But on the WD box it looks like the standard white characters with black border.
I think the RayGun font looks much better than Tahoma or Ariel for subs. It doesn't have the puffy periphery I dislike.
-MilesAhead
Can you show a screenshot? It sounds cool!
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Here's how it looks in the preview, but on the WD player it looks a bit different. I little more angular probably because the anti-alias isn't as good as on the PC.
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edit: I also just ran across a mono-spaced font, Crystal, that may be better for subs. I'll have to experiment with it for a bit.
You can get Crystal free here:
http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Crystal.htm
edit2: RayGun is available at urban fonts and Softpedia. I ran md5 and RayGun downloads from both locations are exactly the same files.
edit3: here's a preview with the Crystal mono font:
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That IS cool. I like that. Gives it almost a comic book feel to it.
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That IS cool. I like that. Gives it almost a comic book feel to it.
-superboyac
I'm glad I got the borders to show black because I kept moving my head when the subs were over a white background, as if that would help me read them. Drove me nuts. :)
This WD box ain't so bad. Main thing is 1st gen doesn't automatically down sample DTS. I have to convert the audio track to AC3. Still, it handles just about any format. .mp4 .mkv .m2ts and HD .avi all look great.
The other downside, if you have a DVD image or VIDEO_TS folder with a main movie it's ok. But if it's an episodic DVD like from a TV show you can't get by the first title set. No menu support. For $100 it ain't bad though.
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I found a free PC TTF implementation of Fontin font that looks even better as subtitles. They say it's designed for smaller sizes. Very easy to read on the TV.
http://www.exljbris.com/fontin.html
Here's a screen shot. This is font size 18 with border width of 3 for a 720P video
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I think the RayGun font looks much better ...-MilesAhead
Yeah, it is really good looking!
Sadly, it isn't Unicode. Not even close. Is it old? (no €) :(
click to enlarge to 735x1506 pixels:
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Sadly, it isn't Unicode. Not even close. Is it old? (no €) :(
-Curt
I use AviAddXSubs for .srt to idx/sub conversion. It only likes Ansi .srt anyway.
edit: I'm finding some very nice fonts here:
http://www.urbanfonts.com/
but I don't think they categorize by unicode compliance. I searched unicode and only got 3 hits. I suspect it only searches name/description. Found some nice monospaced that don't look lame. Nice site.