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(Mentioned elsewhere on the forum) I've been using a Logitech MX Revolution for about 2 years. I would still be using it but the left mouse button has decided to misbehave - which means I drag files into the wrong place, select things I didn't want to, etc. I've tried making one of the other 11 (or is it 13) buttons a Left Click but it just doesn't feel right. I've also tried cleaning the inside and sprayed some dw40 into the switch - which may have made it worse.
So, I've decided I'm not going to buy another super-duper mouse with loads of buttons - they've lost my trust.
Instead I'm going to use StrokeIt for all the extra mouse commands and just use a cheap, simple 3 button mouse instead. One cheap enough to not care if the buttons start acting randomly - I'll just throw it away and get another cheap replacement.
The question is: does anyone have an opinion on the best "cheap" mouse. I'm currently using a 3 button Logitech, it doesn't even have scroll left/right on the wheel. This would be fine but I can't seem to stop accidently hitting the right mouse button - I blame the shape of the mouse and the flimsy spring under the mouse buttons.
Are there any "good" cheap mice. Something "ergonomic" perhaps. Or just something that doesn't have flimsy mouse buttons.
Thanks.
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Just a quick note:
i will never go back to using a mouse without 2 buttons on the side. i use them for Back and Forward when browsing the web and i could never do without them. and of course only the certifiably insane would use a mouse without a scroll wheel.
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Someone mentioned the Logitech MX518 (M518?) in another thread as a good mouse. I think it's about $40 or so. Not really cheap, but it comes recommended. I would have gone with that but I wanted a wireless mouse this time around.
I picked up my Logitech Performance MX (or M950) for $89, which again isn't cheap, but it's far from the most expensive out there. So far I'm quite happy with it. Mind you, I need to recharge it often as it gets a bit sluggish/wonky when the battery is low -- selections become difficult or drop, etc.
I've always liked and used Logitech and Microsoft mice. No-name mice I've used have been thrown out after they didn't work.
Not sure if that helps any.
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True, I think I'd want to stick with Logitech (or Microsoft).
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Another vote for the Logitech MX518 as being very good cheapish mouse.
Admittedly I no longer use mine because the scroll wheel went flakey and I also wanted a new mouse that would keep button profiles in the mouse and not have to load a driver.
You're lucky, StaticIce (http://www.staticice.co.uk/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=logitech+mx518&spos=3) is now in the UK :)
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i thought i better check out the MX518. it appears to be the mouse i had before the MX Revolution (well, mine was the 500 to be precise). I also destroyed the left mouse button on that one now that i remember it. So, it seems that logitech left mouse buttons and my index finger eventually fall out of love with each other. i haven't played any games for about 2 years either; i'd understand the buttons failing if i was running around in a shoot-em-up everyday.
At the moment, I'm still thinking of sticking with this cheap Logitech mouse. Maybe I can stick a bit of plastic inside it to strengthen the right button.
One thing I notice with the cheaper mice, they are a lot less bulky and don't require great wrist movements. Instead you can move them just with your fingers keeping your wrist stationary. I'd forgotten how I prefer this kind of mouse movement - feels a lot more precise.
And, StrokeIt quickly takes over from all the mouse buttons I was using - doing even more actions than the buttons ever did.
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Well...mouse buttons wear out over time - all the mice I have ever owned have eventually failed, mostly it's the left button that goes (it's the most used, after all).
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I had a Microsoft ball mouse that I used for almost 10 years. It was a trooper. Used, abused, and still worked.
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Usually I've found that it's not the switch that fails but the mechanics of actuating it. The plastic tab on the bottom of the button or the plastic actuator on the switch itself end up wearing grooves against each other requiring you to exert more force on the button to keep the switch actuated.
It gets to the point where you're actually pushing against the body of the switch rather than actuating it via those two small pieces of plastic.
I have bodged mice back to life by attaching small plastic shims to either the button or switch actuator but you really need to have fallen in love with the mouse or are just plain desperate to be bothered doing it.
Also, I've had to fix some really cheap mice like this because the plastic tab on the bottom of the button wasn't long enough in the first place.
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Well...mouse buttons wear out over time - all the mice I have ever owned have eventually failed, mostly it's the left button that goes (it's the most used, after all).
-Darwin
True. But...
I've ditched the Logitech I was using - can't deal with the accidental right clicks.
I'm now using a cheap, cheap mouse I've had for about 10 years (well, I bought it when the optical mouse was still considered futuristic). This mouse has been used for years, thrown into drawers, lent to other people, etc., etc. The plastic finish has worn off it's so old. But it has firm mouse buttons, the right click being perferctly firm. It even feels good under my palm, better than the Logitechs. Why did I ever stop using it I have to ask myself.
It's perfect.
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I've been using cheapo, reliable Microsoft optical mice for years. Mine have two buttons and a scroll wheel. I just bought a new one from MWave, on sale for three bucks. Currently ten dollars, shipped ( http://www.mwave.com/mwave/subcategory.asp?CatID=55&parent=2&pagetitle=Input%20/Keyboard%20/Mice )
Can you live without that third button? :)
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Yes, I think I can. Two is definitely the minimum though.
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Microsoft mice have a better feel and responsiveness to me then Logitech.
I use a MS Explorer 3.0. It has the two side buttons.
$25 I think I paid for it.
With IntelliPoint 8.0 there is tons of options.
http://www.filehippo.com/download_intellipoint/
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Yes, I think I can. Two is definitely the minimum though.
-nudone
Don't forget that the scroll wheel acts as the third button (if clumsily).
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I've always been a fan of Microsoft's IntelliMouse line for a long time. They're pretty cheap, feel good in the hand, have a decent amount of buttons, and last a good while. Logitechs have IMO succumbed to "style over substance", at least at times. But they do make good hardware generally...
- Oshyan
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i'm with JJ -- intellimouse explorer 2.0 wireless here (2nd one).
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Here in Paraguay there are not that many places that sell computer hardware. Here in the main capital everything is priced more or less like in Europe. But at the border with Brazil (6 hour drive) there is a city where you can buy computer gear for a lot less. But not the big names, only budget brands.
Now I found out that the top of these budget brands: Satellite (http://www.satellite-computer.com/) have a cheap and remarkably durable mouse (A-21 (http://www.satellite-computer.com/product/Wired%20Mouse_I.asp?id=A-21)). Here these mouses cost around 6 dollar brand new. That particular mouse feels extremely comfortable to my (European sized) hand.
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If your country imports Chinese goods (which country doesn't anyway?) you must try to get one made-in-China mouse. It usually has left, middle, and right buttons as well as scroll wheel. In my country the cheapest ones are sold at 15,000 IDR (less than 1.7 USD)! No lie! And I have one that still works after 4 years ;)
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i will never go back to using a mouse without 2 buttons on the side. i use them for Back and Forward when browsing the web and i could never do without them. and of course only the certifiably insane would use a mouse without a scroll wheel.
-mouser
I used to think the same, but have found that setting the side scroll functions to page forward and back works just as well, if not better than dedicated buttons. I use a variety of Logitech mice, all of which have tilt wheels, and this works well on all of them. I find it more intuitive than dedicated buttons, and it makes all my mice work the same for browsing.
Along the same lines, the cursor pads on ThinkPad notebooks have dedicated back & forward keys (filling the upper corners of the standard inverted T layout). I find these to be just as invaluable since I often cannot use a mouse when browsing on a notebook.
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I was doing the same, using the side scroll action to go forward/back in browsers (and explorer type windows). Somehow, the "dedicated" navigation buttons on the side of the mouse seemed better used for other functions. All academic now that I've only 3 buttons total...
...and, I say again, StrokeIt just feels better than having any extra buttons. Mouse gestures are well accepted in browsers nowadays - using something like StrokeIt means you can have those gestures throughout all your programs.
(Of course, should I buy another mouse with loads of extra buttons, I'll be telling myself how much better they are than using StrokeIt.)
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...StrokeIt just feels better...
...using something like StrokeIt means you can have those gestures...
-nudone
Selective editing. :P
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True to form, I've gone and done another 180 and have reverted back to using the dodgy Logitech MX Revolution. The cheapo corded mouse I mentioned that was "perfect" started moving my cursor around in a random manner; so I just had to get the MX mouse working again.
And, for the moment, it is working. Maybe there was a micron of dust inside the switch causing all the trouble - who knows.
To be on the safe side I've ordered what looks like an decent mouse, a Logitech M500 - main thing is that it's corded, so will be light and means I won't forget to charge it.
After it arrives, I'll post my opinion on it.
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Oh, another thing, it's a refurbished mouse, so only £20 (about $30). Can't really grumble at that.
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I really like the Microsoft Wireless Mobile Mouse 4000. Solid yet lightweight with a quality "feel" to it. It uses laser optics, a nano-sized receiver, and has great battery life.
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Although primarily designed for laptops, I use it for most of my desktops too. Priced about $35 list. Widely discounted if you shop. Staples and OfficeMax often have it on sale for $19.99. (Last time they, did I bought five!)
Note: for day-to-day web use I still prefer this (http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html) trackball. Takes a little getting used to at first. However, once you've acclimated, you can absolutely fly with this thing. Not cheap ($99.99 list! - and seldom discounted) but still well worth its asking price IMHO. :)
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Note: for day-to-day web use I still prefer this (http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html) trackball. Takes a little getting used to at first. However, once you've acclimated, you can absolutely fly with this thing. Not cheap ($99.99 list! - and seldom discounted) but still well worth its asking price IMHO. :)
-40hz
Sigh... You've set my gear lust into high gear again...
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@Renegade - Sorry man! I got mine (as a gift) ages ago. Probably the only reason why I didn't get a full blown carpal tunnel injury before we all learned about CTS, and how to avoid it.
If you can live without the scroll ring and have an extra $29, there's a newer, sleeker, even more hi-rez version now available from the K-people.
Check it out:
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"I want it, I want it, I want it..."
Specs here (http://us.kensington.com/html/16632.html).
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has anyone noticed that nudone is making an art out of doing 720 degree turns? :P
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Note: for day-to-day web use I still prefer this (http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html) trackball. Takes a little getting used to at first. However, once you've acclimated, you can absolutely fly with this thing. Not cheap ($99.99 list! - and seldom discounted) but still well worth its asking price IMHO. :)
-40hz
40, could you explain a little the specific advantages of using a trackball like you mentioned? i tried it out a while back, but I couldn't understand how it made anything faster or easier or anything. What am I missing?
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Note: for day-to-day web use I still prefer this (http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html) trackball. Takes a little getting used to at first. However, once you've acclimated, you can absolutely fly with this thing. Not cheap ($99.99 list! - and seldom discounted) but still well worth its asking price IMHO. :)
-40hz
40, could you explain a little the specific advantages of using a trackball like you mentioned? i tried it out a while back, but I couldn't understand how it made anything faster or easier or anything. What am I missing?
-superboyac
I use a trackball too from time to time. The advantages I find are that I use 'finer' movements to flick the mouse round the screen (fingertip control rather than arm/wrist); they can be great when you have a cluttered desk like I do (you don't bump into cups, books, pens, pot plants) and... they just make a change sometimes!
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40, could you explain a little the specific advantages of using a trackball like you mentioned? i tried it out a while back, but I couldn't understand how it made anything faster or easier or anything. What am I missing?
-superboyac
Probably just some practice. It does take getting used to.
The psychology is also a bit different. With a mouse, you have a 1-1 physical relationship between moving the mouse on the desk, and seeing it move on the screen. Spatial movement equates pretty closely to cursor movement.
With the trackball it's more like you're scrolling the screen under you by rolling it from a fixed point. Hard to describe, but think about spinning a globe as opposed to crawling over a map to get some idea of the difference between the two
As BethUK pointed out, it's also more of a finger-tip thing as opposed to moving your forearm and/or wrist. And "flicking" is a skill you'll soon pick up. Old school console game players from the Pac-Man era used to develop similar abilities back when some games had track ball controllers along with buttons. Inside a familiar game, they could flick the ball and get their focus to land exactly where they wanted it to without even looking. On side-scrolling games, many of them could avoid obstacles and switch several screens worth of distance quite accurately with a single well executed flick of the fingers. It's all about the "feel." Almost like driving and then putting in the ball on a golf green.
Advantages? Less arm and wrist movement so less wear & tear on you. For some reason, our fingers don't seem to mind constant use as much as the rest of us does. In fact, not using our fingers regularly seems to be a major cause of lost dexterity, flex, and strength in our hands.
Also better posture since you tend not to lean forward or shift around as much as when you use a mouse - unless you have a really well set up ergo desk and chair. Most of us don't. Or at least don't get to sit at it as often as we're using a computer.
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Thanks...I'll experiment with it in 2011.
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I used to have a Trackball mouse. Liked it a lot.
You don't have to keep it on a flat surface is one benefit.
Could hold it in your lap, which is easier then the table sometimes.
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You don't have to keep it on a flat surface is one benefit.
I find that the padded arm of my easy chair, or even the side of my leg, works just fine as a mousing surface.
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has anyone noticed that nudone is making an art out of doing 720 degree turns? :P
-mouser
Is that sort of like how two wrongs don't make a right; but three lefts do? ;)
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You don't have to keep it on a flat surface is one benefit.
I find that the padded arm of my easy chair, or even the side of my leg, works just fine as a mousing surface.
-mrainey
Yeah, not as precise for me though. When precession is needed.
I'd like to try a laser mouse next.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4914872&CatId=2390
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You don't have to keep it on a flat surface is one benefit.
I find that the padded arm of my easy chair, or even the side of my leg, works just fine as a mousing surface.
-mrainey
Check out the MX Air (http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/mice-pointers/mice/devices/3443). Looks like it was made for you. :D
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I think I'd like that mouse, a bit high priced for me.
But if it works for 10+ years it would be worth it.
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all these 180 and 720 rotations are sending my head into a spin. :)
hmm, now we have trackballs to contend with. and. i like the idea.
can you trackball guys mention what it's like to "draw" with a trackball. is it impossible or maybe it's very intuitive - i can't really imagine.
i can see how advantageous a trackball would be - travelling across screen distance easily, so i'm tempted to get one for that. but if they are terrible to draw with, then i have to rule them out.
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can you trackball guys mention what it's like to "draw" with a trackball. is it impossible or maybe it's very intuitive - i can't really imagine.
-nudone
also curious:-
I did buy one of the logitech ones years ago, but they didnt make a left hander version at the time (I dont know if they do now) so I just used it for non-drawing stuff.
I liked it a lot for everyday stuff ... but I not able to draw with my right hand
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kball guys mention what it's like to "draw" with a trackball. is it impossible or maybe it's very intuitive - i can't really imagine.-nudone
Imagine yourself trying to draw a detailed portrait, on a window, with a bar of soap, while standing on an icy sidewalk. ;D
i can see how advantageous a trackball would be - travelling across screen distance easily, so i'm tempted to get one for that. but if they are terrible to draw with, then i have to rule them out.
Better rule them out then. A quality drawing tablet is best for that. (And I'll bet you have one too! ;D)
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Note: there's nothing to say you can't have more than one pointing device. I'll use a trackball for some things. But I still keep a regular mouse attached for everything else - which is S.O.P. for all but the most rabid trackball aficionados.
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right. that's trackballs crossed off my list then. i don't really want to have to swap between devices all the time.
(i find drawing with a wacom about as enjoyable as using a bar of soap on a window, so i'm definitely not going to attempt it drawing with a trackball.)
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(i find drawing with a wacom about as enjoyable as using a bar of soap on a window, so i'm definitely not going to attempt it drawing with a trackball.)
I hear you.
I'm not much of an artist. But whatever microscopic trace of it I may have is definitely of the "ink sketch & scan" school when it comes to "digital" drawing. ;D
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Imagine yourself trying to draw a detailed portrait, on a window, with a bar of soap, while standing on an icy sidewalk.
hahahahah! i was going to say it's probably not very accurate but i think 40hz's answer has a bit more flavor to it.
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40, could you explain a little the specific advantages of using a trackball like you mentioned? i tried it out a while back, but I couldn't understand how it made anything faster or easier or anything. What am I missing?
-superboyac
The ultimate justification for a trackball:
Doing this with a mouse just doesn't $#@!ing cut it, man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZPPL3hX3Kk
8) 8) 8)
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i've got one of those inexpensive logitech trackman "marble" jobbies on my desk and i really like it. it's especially nice for me because it's symmetrical and i'm a lefty. i mostly use a mouse but have found i greatly prefer the trackball when i'm working on a spreadsheet. haven't been able to get comfortable browsing with it however.
in our server area it's all trackball since there's no room to roll a mouse over by the main operator remote console. the keyboards that connect to our kvm switches all have integrated trackballs too.
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I've been through seven MX Revolution Mice. All eventually fail due to very poor microswitch position design in the left button. Sure, mouse buttons do wear out over time but the MX Revolution has a much worse track record than any other mouse on the market. Check the Logitech forums and you will see that.
There is a way to repair the microswitch but it is not easy. It is very tiny and it doesn’t go back together as easily as it comes out! Kinda spring loaded. Here's a link to the repair instructions:
http://www.overclockers.com/mouse-clicking-troubles-diy-repair/ (http://www.overclockers.com/mouse-clicking-troubles-diy-repair/)
Also, Rich Owens, the developer of UberOptions, an advanced configuration utility for Logitech mice (add-on for SetPoint) has a page with info about Logitech's oft-failing microswitches here:
http://uberoptions.net/logitech-microswitch (http://uberoptions.net/logitech-microswitch)
Jim
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I've been through seven MX Revolution Mice. All eventually fail due to very poor microswitch position design in the left button. Sure, mouse buttons do wear out over time but the MX Revolution has a much worse track record than any other mouse on the market. Check the Logitech forums and you will see that.
There is a way to repair the microswitch but it is not easy. It is very tiny and it doesn’t go back together as easily as it comes out! Kinda spring loaded. Here's a link to the repair instructions:
http://www.overclockers.com/mouse-clicking-troubles-diy-repair/ (http://www.overclockers.com/mouse-clicking-troubles-diy-repair/)
Also, Rich Owens, the developer of UberOptions, an advanced configuration utility for Logitech mice (add-on for SetPoint) has a page with info about Logitech's oft-failing microswitches here:
http://uberoptions.net/logitech-microswitch (http://uberoptions.net/logitech-microswitch)
Jim
-J-Mac
Thanks for posting that.
click-dragging releases before button is released
That was the major problem on my old Logitech mouse, and the main reason to get a new one. Mind you, the mouse was pretty old -- from like 2004 or 2006 or so. It had a lot of miles on it.
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Most Revo's only lasted me ~6 months; one only worked for a little more than three months. I returned three but the replacements eventually failed also. I repaired three at different times. Two worked but one of those only worked for another two months and failed again. The third repair attempt failed. Great mice to use, but too darned fragile IMO!
Jim
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(as Renegade said) thanks for the info, J-Mac.
the odd thing is that i was sure the left button had failed on this MX Revolution. for several days it had behaved randomly, but now it seems perfectly fine. honestly, it WAS unusable and if it was anything like that now, i'd have hit it with a hammer out of frustration.
so, for all the tips on repairing the micro-switch, maybe all you really need is a very small amount of oil dripped over the button - i mean, inside the mouse, just over the white trigger on the micro-switch.
This MX Revolution is just over two years old and is used all day, everyday. it was also a refurbished product so maybe it had quite a bit of use before me. so, you'd expect the buttons to be playing up by now. maybe.
next time there's a failing micro-switch maybe it's worth risking a tiny drop of oil (WD-40). it made it worse at first but after a couple of days leaving the mouse to one side it has magically fixed it.
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(as Renegade said) thanks for the info, J-Mac.
the odd thing is that i was sure the left button had failed on this MX Revolution. for several days it had behaved randomly, but now it seems perfectly fine. honestly, it WAS unusable and if it was anything like that now, i'd have hit it with a hammer out of frustration.
so, for all the tips on repairing the micro-switch, maybe all you really need is a very small amount of oil dripped over the button - i mean, inside the mouse, just over the white trigger on the micro-switch.
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next time there's a failing micro-switch maybe it's worth risking a tiny drop of oil (WD-40). it made it worse at first but after a couple of days leaving the mouse to one side it has magically fixed it.
-nudone
It probably worked because while the WD40 did dissolve whatever gunk was affecting the proper operation of the switch, it left behind enough of itself that a good electrical contact couldn't be made.
You're a lot better off buying a can of foaming contact cleaner, available in lubricating and non-lubricating formulas. (For switches. get lubricating.) The key word to look for is foaming. It's designed for use in electronic service applications, so it will clean and evaporate quickly and completely. The lubricant they use is formulated to be electrically conductive and the solvent is known to be safe around electronics. WD40 isn't really intended to be used that way. With WD40 there's a small chance it might dissolve something you don't want it to. It can also damage certain plastics. And because it leaves a residue (and continues working) it may take some time before that type of damage becomes apparent.
Note: Sometimes the lubricating versions are called "tuner cleaner." It's the same thing. Grab it at any RadioShack. One can will last you forever.
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ah, good advice, 40hz. i really didn't know what i was doing with the wd40, it was just an act of desperation. but it worked - for now, at least.
next time i'll try proper contact cleaner or something.
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ah, good advice, 40hz.
-nudone
+1 -- Thanks for the tip.
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The compleat respondent — WD40hz!
What don't you know?
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The compleat respondent — WD40hz!
What don't you know?
-cranioscopical
Hahahah~!
The tag in the logo at my Renegade Minds (http://renegademinds.com/) site is "Tell me something you don't know..."
A newfie friend of mine shouted that at his brother (also a friend) once when he was really pissed at him. We all laughed our butts off.
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ah, good advice, 40hz. i really didn't know what i was doing with the wd40, it was just an act of desperation. but it worked - for now, at least.
next time i'll try proper contact cleaner or something.
-nudone
No shame in that. I've used WD40 for just about everything short of a salad dressing. It's great stuff. Cheap, readily available, and works as advertised.
How many things can you say that about? ;D
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The compleat respondent — WD40hz! -cranioscopical
*Groan!* pwned again! ;D :Thmbsup:
What don't you know?
Lots of things actually. Mostly important things, unfortunately. :-[
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Seriously, 40hz is like a lifeline on the millionaire show.
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Seriously, 40hz is like a lifeline on the millionaire show.
-superboyac
Been one three times. None of them cleared that elimination round that comes just before you get to sit with Regis or Meredith. :)
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Seriously, 40hz is like a lifeline on the millionaire show.
-superboyac
Been one three times. None of them cleared that elimination round that comes just before you get to sit with Regis or Meredith. :)
-40hz
Haha, no way! Sweet. you'd be like the guy who called his dad just to tell him he won a million.
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Earlier, I said I'd post back with my thoughts on the Logitech M500 "corded" mouse.
I've been using the m500 for a few days (on a secondary pc), nothing really standing out as exceptional or unusual with it. It's only a mouse after all. The cord didn't get in the way, I didn't accidentally keep hitting the right button, no real complaints anywhere.
So, it didn't have me doing cartwheels around the room with excitement. But...
I've just come back to my main machine that uses a wireless Logitech MX Revolution which now feels horrible in comparison to the m500. It's like using a brick. The weight difference is immediately noticeable, so much so that I've ordered another m500 to take over the mouse duties with my main/work pc.
Admittedly, I lose a few mouse buttons with the m500 but I think the truth is that I never used them all on the MX Revolution.
My advice, if you don't need wireless - stick with (or go back to) a corded mouse. I never really bought into the wireless idea; I just had to accept it to get the mouse I wanted. Now I can go back to a lovely long cable, no more flat battery delays and no more pushing a brick around the table.
The Logitech M500 was the perfect choice for me, as it closely resembles the shape of the MX Revolution. The button layout is pretty much the same, so it's like using the same mouse - except for when you lift them off the mouse pad.
(If you never lift the mouse of the pad then I appreciate that a heavy wireless mouse won't be an issue. I seem to constantly lift the mouse with almost every movement.)
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(If you never lift the mouse of the pad then I appreciate that a heavy wireless mouse won't be an issue. I seem to constantly lift the mouse with almost every movement.)
-nudone
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Wow.
Never met anybody who did that.
Forgive my curiosity, but are you feathering your digital brushstrokes or something? :huh:
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Okay, I exaggerated (a little). I don't lift the mouse every time I move it; just a lot of times.
This can't be that uncommon? My wrist tends to stay fixed, acting as the pivot for my hand. So that means lifting the mouse a lot to get the cursor to travel plenty of distance. This just feels a lot less trouble than moving my whole arm to get the same cursor movement.
Oh, and another thing I've not realised. This MX Revolutions "thumb" button thing is really annoying and in the way. No wonder that they've removed on the updated Logitech Performance mouse.
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Okay, I exaggerated (a little). I don't lift the mouse every time I move it; just a lot of times.
This can't be that uncommon? My wrist tends to stay fixed, acting as the pivot for my hand. So that means lifting the mouse a lot to get the cursor to travel plenty of distance. This just feels a lot less trouble than moving my whole arm to get the same cursor movement.
-nudone
funny, I hadn't noticed it before but I do the same (luckily I never did go for a wireless mouse)
I have the MX310 as my main mouse - because it's symmetrical - so can be used left & right. It's lasting well, but unfortunately not made any more - so good to get a few tips here
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This can't be that uncommon? My wrist tends to stay fixed, acting as the pivot for my hand. So that means lifting the mouse a lot to get the cursor to travel plenty of distance. This just feels a lot less trouble than moving my whole arm to get the same cursor movement.-nudone
Especially with multiple monitors (and/or some wide ones) it's basically mandatory (i think). I do it most frequently when jumping between windows that are on opposite sides of the desktop.
Move cursor to new work-area center position, then lift mouse and set back down on center of pad where your (unmoved) wrist is most comfortable. I'll be willing to bet most people do this - but unconsciously.
Right? :)
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I have the MX310 as my main mouse - because it's symmetrical - so can be used left & right.
-tomos
I mothballed my MS v6000 wireless mouse in favour of an HP Elite Desktop (wireless) mouse for this reason. It's also a LOT lighter and easier to push around than the MS unit and, finally, the scroll wheel "clicks" properly (ie functions as a middle button) whereas the last two MS mice that I have used have been really flaky. Pity, really, because the v6000 is only a few months old and I really liked the programmable buttons... However, I rarely used them beyond the occasional "gee whiz, neato, I can do this with my mouse" moment.
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I (almost) can't believe I'm saying this. It's enough to make me think I should never post on a forum ever again...
I've now got the MX Revolution and the M500 side-by-side so I can really, really, REALLY, notice the differences. And, I prefer the Revolution. It's the heaviest but other than that it feels the best. It glides better and fits under my hand better as it's slightly higher and shorter.
So, it looks like I'm sticking with the MX Revolution after all (the second M500 that arrived this morning can sit on the desk reminding me not to order things that I don't need, just like the three tablet pcs that I've yet to use). I really shouldn't be allowed to buy things online.
The question is. Do I now hunt for a second used MX Revolution on eBay (to use on my secondary pc), pay more than it's worth, and then decide I don't like it - again, and finally end up getting a trackball or something else I'll worry about.
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You could always hack your PC to accept input from a Kinect... ;D
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You could always hack your PC to accept input from a Kinect... ;D
-Darwin
oh dear. you've just described the future (not for me, of course, but someone has got to do it - if they haven't done so already).
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It's enough to make me think I should never post on a forum ever again...
-nudone
You're not alone in that ;D
I take it you know already about the aMbidextrouse…
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You mean this...
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How many people on DC are ambidextrous, I wonder? Random curiosity...
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How many people on DC are ambidextrous, I wonder? Random curiosity...
-Darwin
depends on your definition -
I use the mouse in both hands but if I have to do fine work it's much easier with my left.
I only started cause I totally screwed up my main hand (for a good while too) when I began using computers (drawing). I was working on a high table with the hard right-angled edge sticking into my wrist....
I used my right hand almost exclusively as training (& to give my left a rest). Brushing teeth with the wrong hand is actually very challenging if you havent done it before!
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I used my right hand almost exclusively as training (& to give my left a rest). Brushing teeth with the wrong hand is actually very challenging if you havent done it before!
-tomos
When I was in college and playing a lot of basketball, I wanted to work on my left hand so I started doing a lot of things with it to get used to it. Brushing teeth was one of them. Now, I'm so used to it, I feel more comfortable with it than the right. Two days ago, I tried out that P90x (don't laugh), and I got so sore, I couldn't move my left arm, so I had to brush my teeth with my right, and I was surprised by how awkward it felt. First time I can say I do something better with my left hand than the right. By the way, it's too early for me to tell, but I think that P90x is as good of a home workout system as you can hope for. I'm in relatively good shape and am very athletic, and it kicked my ass. I'm so busy now, i don't get to excercise regularly so I wanted something I can do at home for an hour that would not only be effective, but also not boring. Most home workout gimmicks will either be super boring, or not work you hard enough. I've seen people do the easy ones for like two years and not see results, and I'm thinking, man, it's just not intense enough, can't you tell after two years?? Then, the other ones may be intense, but inconvenient with equipment or just a little too weird (think of all the weird doo-dads, thighmaster, etc.). Anyway, there's nothing really that unique about P90x. It's not like it's a revolutionary machine or anything. It's all just normal stuff: pushups, pullups, things with dumbbells, stretching, etc. What's great about it is the pacing of the video, it's like having a personal instructor on video, and it seems to be effective.
I don't know why I just went off on that, it's because my arm is so sore.
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Brushing teeth with the wrong hand is actually very challenging if you havent done it before!
-tomos
Have to agree with that. When I decided to try for cross-dominance I created a new meaning for the toothbrush moustache.
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You mean this...
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=25009.msg230306#msg230306))
-nudone
Well, if you're not using those it really does confirm that you've lost your marbles!
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The question is. Do I now hunt for a second used MX Revolution on eBay (to use on my secondary pc), pay more than it's worth, and then decide I don't like it - again, and finally end up getting a trackball or something else I'll worry about.
-nudone
Although I don’t use the MX Revo anymore - too damned many have failed on me - I always had a few on hand at my house. I used Web Site Watcher to keep an eye on pricing at Amazon, Newegg, and a couple other sites and only purchased one when the price went below $50. This was back when it was fairly new and very popular and sold normally for ~$90 new. Every once in a while one shop or another would have a sale and I would pick up one or two, depending on how low the price was.
Thanks!
Jim
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I'm ambidextrous though I admit I have developed a preference for the right hand. I actually used both hands somewhat equally when I was very young. When I started school I would practice my printing with one hand and then switch to the other when the first got tired! However the Sisters of St. Joseph were convinced that left-handedness was devilish, and so they would use a belt to strap my left hand to my thigh, thus forcing use of my right hand.
(This is why I laugh derisively ;D ;D ;D when "waterboarding" is called "torture"; had the Gitmo detainees been subjected to "discipline-by-nun" I would have been much more sympathetic...)
Thanks!
Jim
EDIT: Duhhh... that was my LEFT hand they strapped down.... (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/esmileys/gen3/1Small/doh.gif)
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The question is. Do I now hunt for a second used MX Revolution on eBay (to use on my secondary pc), pay more than it's worth, and then decide I don't like it - again, and finally end up getting a trackball or something else I'll worry about.
-nudone
Although I don’t use the MX Revo anymore - too damned many have failed on me - I always had a few on hand at my house. I used Web Site Watcher to keep an eye on pricing at Amazon, Newegg, and a couple other sites and only purchased one when the price went below $50. This was back when it was fairly new and very popular and sold normally for ~$90 new. Every once in a while one shop or another would have a sale and I would pick up one or two, depending on how low the price was.
Thanks!
Jim
-J-Mac
That's a very good idea, J-Mac. Maybe I'll try something similar, hunting for a cheap(er) Logitech MX Performance mouse.
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While primarily a lefty/south paw/evil one (according to J-Mac's nuns), I am ambidextrous which was quite handy back when I was a mechanic. I can do just about anything with either hand, however I am faster with my left on everything except using a mouse. I always use a mouse with my right hand.
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I'm right handed, but to eat, always use a fork in my right hand, knife in my left. Living in the UK this makes me some kind of vulgar freak. I say "living in the UK" as I assume other countries don't expect every right handed person to eat using a fork in their left hand.
I've never understood this bizarre tradition. Let's teach everyone to use a fork in their left hand if they are right handed - what lunatic decided that was the right thing to do.
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I've never understood this bizarre tradition. Let's teach everyone to use a fork in their left hand if they are right handed - what lunatic decided that was the right thing to do.
So... I guess this wouldn't be the best time to ask you what you think about the "pinky in the left ear and haughty giggle" thing either. :P
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I've never understood this bizarre tradition. Let's teach everyone to use a fork in their left hand if they are right handed - what lunatic decided that was the right thing to do.-nudone
Fork vs. knife - Fork creates smaller lacerations on error... (win)
:D
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Fork? Knife? Just make everything "finger food"!
Jim
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Fork? Knife? Just make everything "finger food"!
Jim
-J-Mac
As apposed to food fingers..?