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Is Firefox 3.0 the "Fat Elvis?"

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nontroppo:
It's wrong saying that "internet explorer is preloaded when windows starts", because (at least from my experience), large parts of it isn't. And the parts that are preloaded is stuff I consider to be part of the core windows, even if it was originally introduced with IE.
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But if, as you say, any bit of explorer uses a HTML view then surely the DLL is loaded? I forget now if webview is the default, but if it is then I suspect the HTML components will get loaded shortly after the machine boots and the users starts using explorer.

I'd love Opera if it didn't crash on me all the time, didn't include silly things like chat and torrent in the core product, and had plugin/extension support. But as it is now, it's just not enjoyable for me to use.
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Just to say, Opera is modular, so chat and torrent are not "in" the core product. They are linked, but will be flushed out of memory when not in use IIUC. If Opera didn't compress its DLL they would not even hit memory.

And if you can reproduce a crash, I'd be happy to submit a bug for you with a crashlog. Opera even have a specialised assembler program to catch crashlogs: http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/432/

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Firefox 3: I think this is the least bloated version they've released. The feature set is refined, they cut a lot of UI bloat with Places, which is more elegant and unified than the old system. The rendering engine is much more optimised CPU wise, and they've done a great job of nailing the memory loss. Firefox <3 was the real Elvis. I used to use Phoenix and Firebird all those version numbers ago, and they made Las Vegas Elvis look like Jet Li... 8) I couldn't be bothered to read the article, it sounded too much like linkbait to me...

f0dder:
But if, as you say, any bit of explorer uses a HTML view then surely the DLL is loaded? I forget now if webview is the default, but if it is then I suspect the HTML components will get loaded shortly after the machine boots and the users starts using explorer.-nontroppo (April 15, 2008, 08:51 AM)
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I believe it's the default, yes... but I'm not sure when the html component would be loaded. Presumably not until the user navigates to a folder that actually has html components? :)

Just to say, Opera is modular, so chat and torrent are not "in" the core product. They are linked, but will be flushed out of memory when not in use IIUC. If Opera didn't compress its DLL they would not even hit memory.-nontroppo (April 15, 2008, 08:51 AM)
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It's windows default to discard unused memory pages, whether they're in DLLs or not... I just don't like features like this being included with a web browser, and would rather see them moved out to separate projects, and have the Opera developers focus on their browser instead.

And if you can reproduce a crash, I'd be happy to submit a bug for you with a crashlog. Opera even have a specialised assembler program to catch crashlogs: http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/432/-nontroppo (April 15, 2008, 08:51 AM)
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It's usually been on pages with java (not javascript) or flash... so you might say "it's not an Opera problem", but I've had far less crashes on the same sites with IE and FF. There's also been some pretty random crashes, but those are hard to reproduce.

I'm not saying that Opera comes off as unstable, but it's just crashed a bit more on me than FF has - which is probably an oddity once or twice as month. But I guess I should test-drive a more recent Opera version to be fair.

I couldn't be bothered to read the article, it sounded too much like linkbait to me...-nontroppo (April 15, 2008, 08:51 AM)
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If you're talking about this article, it's not linkbait and definitely worth a read.

cmpm:
I think firefox people are listening to the feedback.

And yes IE^ was good and customizable.
That's why I like Firefox with Google toolbar.
You can put icons anywhere, even up with the menu bar.
Like IE6.

Carol, you may want to use Minimize to Tray add on to keep Firefox running. Check 'minimize on close' option.
It pops up instantly.

Minimize to Tray enhancer doesn't do much more.
It allows 'start with windows'.
But that can be done by putting a shortcut in the Start folder.

I'd like an add on that auto sets Firefox to the home page when hitting the close button.
I sometimes find that I've left a page open that I meant to reset to my home page.

Opera was to much for me to learn new things imo.
It seems to be a very different setup.
Though it's still on my computer, I prefer firefox.

IE7 is history except when needed.
Who came up with that design anyway?
I guess simple was the idea.

Dormouse:
It's usually been on pages with java (not javascript) or flash... so you might say "it's not an Opera problem"-f0dder (April 15, 2008, 09:32 AM)
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I think Opera is head and shoulders above FF & ie for usability, but I have used it for years. I still use FF & ie because some sites only seem to work on FF/ie and others on ie alone. I find Opera pretty stable (usually have about 30 tabs open, +/- 10 or so), but there are sites that freeze it. Only solution I have found to that is to guess the site and to close that tab quickly when restarting Opera before it loads whatever is giving the problem.

It's the most annoying thing about Opera, but Opera is pretty standards compliant and I don't know what more they can do other than become much more popular so those sites test their functioning with it as well as ie and the others.

Babis:

One of the big problems in all Windows systems is that EVERYTHING gets slower over time - even when you make the effort to keep your house clean and tidy. The only reason I can think this might happen is the registry as you can clean off all crap from your system and defragment, clear out unused apps etc. but after a while it just doesn't seem to make any difference.

-Carol Haynes (April 15, 2008, 04:14 AM)
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That's the reason I use FirstDefense-ISR. I create an initial snapshot after a clean installation with windows fully updated at that time and only basic apps (without MS Office, AntiVirus, Firewalls, Image processing etc) and at any time I reboot to clean Windows, to start messing with registry and software installations again.

Now as for firefox it is definitely possible to do a clean installation at any time. The delay at launch is definitely due to some add-ons and you can test it by running a clean profile. High memory utilization add-ons include these that remember closed tabs, like Tab Mix Plus, but these add-ons are making firefox so customizable and my first choice.

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