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Author Topic: Shoe Bomber  (Read 5720 times)

randiroo76073

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Shoe Bomber
« on: August 17, 2005, 10:47:53 AM »
This was posted in another forum, thats the only way I heard about it.

I had to pass this on as I and many other people never heard the trial results or even the fact
there was a trial. It speaks for itself.

Subject: THE SHOE BOMBER
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it?
Did you know his trial is over? Did you know he was sentenced? Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio? Didn't think so.

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say. Ruling by Judge WilliamYoung, US District Court.
Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response:
After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his "allegiance to
Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I will not apologize
for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country." Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.
Judge Young: "Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.
On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States
Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on
each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other. That's 80 years.
On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years
 just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the
aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to
American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment. The Court imposes
upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are
real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes.
It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid.
We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here
and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are
a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.
Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think
you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists.
We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down
one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big.
You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of
multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first
were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the
TV crews were, and he said:"You're no big deal."

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and
what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific.
What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you have
to say.  And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you
to do  what you  are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom.
Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose,
to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom.
It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much
that you are  here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake  that your lawyers are striving
so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before
other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden;
pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not
going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this,
however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American
people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact
being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into
courtrooms and  lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens
will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long
after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets? We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home.
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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2005, 05:03:27 PM »
politico bullshit
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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2005, 06:31:12 PM »
anyone who knows me knows i like talking politics, but this forum is probably not the place for it (except when it comes to the politics of selling software).

since we've have point and counter point here i'm going to ask that we not get into political debate here.  i'll leave the thread open in case people feel need to vent, but i suggest we keep politics off this board.

if anyone wants to post some links to forums where political debate is welcome, please do.


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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2005, 08:34:57 PM »
JPFX, what is political about court records? are you upset because they didn't ask your permission or something. I'm not after a flame war & I didn't post this for political reasons, it's just news, so take a chill pill!
Mouser if you feel this Thread will cause controversy in the forum just yank it, I don't mind.
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« Last Edit: August 17, 2005, 08:38:17 PM by randiroo76073 »

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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2005, 09:19:08 PM »
hi randiroo - fair enough - in fact the post does not take an overt political position.
the words of the judge do seem to echo some of the reasoning that the bush administation has been using for a long time "We Americans are all about freedom - you hate our freedom", which many people think is a dangerous simplification of the problem.
but then i've seen people on the left using this trial as an example of the fact that our legal system can handle terrorism trials and does not need extra-judicial system for dealing with terrorists.

in the current climate its probably not possible to post anything even remotely political or about war or terrorism and not stir up a hornets nest of partisan arguments..

i don't think we have to be so paranoid on this forum as to avoid all controversy, as long as everyone knows that this is not going to be a place for frequent political arguments.

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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2005, 09:20:49 PM »
the real question we need to ask is what word processor did the judge use to write his speech on?

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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2005, 05:02:13 AM »
Probably a laptop w/ OpenOffice word processor ;)

PS: Ya, some will make a political statement out of a fart
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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2005, 05:16:51 AM »
Trouble is news like this will provoke a political reaction.

I saw the original post and thought "don't think this is the place for then potential firestorm that could follow", but you are quite correct you simply quoted the news.

I have had to bite my fingers to stop knocking out a poitical response from the other side of the pond ....

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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2005, 09:45:16 AM »
well, in all fairness the original post does seem to have a political intention. the last line (which is probably not from randiroo i'm guessing, but from the original poster) says "So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets? We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home." so clearly the point of highlighting this judges comments was not to spread the news about the trial but about the judges speech at the trial.

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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2005, 09:55:34 AM »
 :( Ya, I just did copy/paste, probably should have done some edit, oh well, life goes on :) If anybody is really offended or it causes to much mayhem, feel free to edit mouser :up:
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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2005, 10:19:47 AM »
no worries - everyone is behaving well here :)

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Re: Shoe Bomber
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2005, 03:48:35 PM »
you removed the 'send this to at least 10 people not including myself and you'll receive a miracle today'bit.
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