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« on: August 08, 2005, 11:28:23 PM »

ok guys, this is not for the faint herted -
it's an early alpha.  most of the pieces are there and ive been working out the kinks for a long time,
but there's still lot's to do.

only install this if you want to help shape the direction of the program.
if you are looking for a finished product, you've got a little while longer to wait.

http://www.donationcoder....ClipboardHelpAndSpell.zip

I'll try to have an install-less version up in the near future.

sorry, quick pasting and quick add note doesnt work yet.


v1.04.04 - 8/8/05 - EARLY ALPHA
complete redesign
  • add option to save current node configs and current group node
  • view menu which saves: docks, columns, sorting
  • band config
  • double click clip to copy to clipboard
  • save/load config (option for load last)
  • docking
  • add window watching for better paste target identification
  • improve target app pasting
  • auto copy on select in internal memos
  • catch exceptions on sql filtering that user could specify
  • modifying virtual folders
  • fix empty recycle bin closes all groups
  • status bar info (click on group, click on item)
  • virtual folders
  • save expanded states on exit/restart
  • color virtual clips differently
  • hierarchical clip groups
  • note/clip moving
  • clip listview
  • fix startup/db bugs
  • auto purging of old clips
  • backup functions
  • Delete into recycle bin
  • add scheduled moving from new -> old and cleaning of recycle bin
  • fix closing on clean recycle
  • avoid capture from aux. dialogs


ToDo List

quick addnote w/ add to specific group with comment
quick paste form
better built-in icons for groups/items
spellchecking external windows gdi objects
re-order clips
new name
make some default configs
special group field for column custom naming and hiding
show user custom grid filter string
add log section
grab application name not just title string
Option for auto-copy on mouse select outside of app
capture html/images/sound/etc
encrypted groups
advanced search
export and import
better rich text editor?
user configurable icon images
add manual screenshot capturing, multimedia clip recording (audio+video)
email clips
add ability to specify that all captures from a specific app go to a specific group, and ability to add exclusions
add clip merging
text grabbing from unselectable dialogs
add ability to use different independent data folders

[edited: changed .exe to .zip (optional setup program in the zip)]
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2005, 06:40:12 AM »

Wow, it will take awhile to fully test this!  Two things I've noticed however:

- The Windows Spell object crashes Keynote (gives a "handle" msgbox, then crashes before the spell check box comes up).  Havent tried enough different programs to find out if this happens elsewhere.

- The windows spell object creates a handle window (possibly for debugging purposes?? necessary??), but this window comes up in the background requiring the user to click on the taskbar to give it focus.

Will report as I find other things.  That "no install" version is much looked forward to!

Kevin
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2005, 07:57:37 AM »

ah the windows spell object functions are not implemented yet, i was testing it; i will disable those.
non-install version with some fixes will be uploaded today.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2005, 08:15:44 AM »

Well, the windows spell thing brings up a spellcheck window and does actually spellcheck in Word.  I havent tried replacing the text, though if it's not working I wont now!  Another thing that is probably the result of alpha-ness but something to keep in mind; will the final version copy and paste from excel keeping tables? 

Other than that... still getting used to it!  Great job so far though,

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2005, 08:49:05 AM »

right now its still just using plain text;
support for other formats is coming.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2005, 09:18:31 AM »

Hey mouser, given the scope of this program, do you have any areas you are concerned about and want tested?  I'm going to continue testing general use, but in my general use I probably wont use certain aspects of the program for many days.  If you have certain areas you want checked, I may be able to force-use them.  Just let me know,

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 09:48:36 AM »

Any way to reset the filter?  I typed a filter, it limited the results to 3 clips.  Is there any way to restore that to all clips again?  Perhaps I should also ask, is this request something that people would use in actual usage?  It may just be me misunderstanding the purpose of that view.

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 10:03:15 AM »

there is some bug in the filter edit
type a space in it by itself to clear it.

the filter is a super fast search thing - so yeah i expect it will be very useful.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 10:04:47 AM »

right now i don't have particular areas to test, but i will soon, once i get the stuff implemented that i have in mind,
then i'll make a long post about the feedback i'd like on certain aspects of the program.

i know its a little overwhelming now, and not exactly the most intuitive thing.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 11:09:23 AM »

ok, due to popular demand, this is being provided as a zip download
you can either run the program after unzipping manuall, or overwrite existing files manually, OR just unzip somewhere and run the setup program inside to install the files officially.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2005, 11:10:41 AM »

v1.04.05
bugfix - excerpts were storing full data (wasting space)
bugfix - formatting command wasn't showing effects
added a "don't add spaces" option to linetrimming
bugfix - added CRLF fixing to format modifier, without it some text couldnt be trimmed properly
minor change - wordwrap dropdown to toggle button
new feature - save and load formatting presets (new menus too)
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 12:34:46 PM »

Heh heh, sorry, I didnt mean to sound like I was questioning the filter search... that is extremely useful.  I was questioning whether people would be clearing it if the clips were shown in the tree.  Since they arent right now, clearing the search is useful.  I'll try the space.

- Rearranging the panes is an awesome thing... just a little confusing.  I grabbed one of them but there is no real intuitive way to tell what all the options are.  I was trying to move them around, but the "zones" for different views are so small, it was hard to place them where I wanted.  The other thing was, I tried to line all panes side by side vertically but I couldnt seem to line them up on the right side of each other.  I had to start from the end and work my way left.  If you need more info let me know... I probably confused you there!

- Memory usage.  I noticed that on startup CHS uses ~2 meg of memory.  After playing around and then minimizing again, it used 12 meg.  What's the sudden increase?  When it goes back to the tray shouldnt it drop again?  If not, that's fine, I just get scared because it seems like it's not clearing something out of memory.

Will keep looking...

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 12:42:38 PM »

i think i'll add a "clear search" little eraser button to the right of the filter, to make it easier to clear.

rearranging the panels is confusing - the panels sometimes seem to need to be undocked completely before they can be redocked properly.  but they do seem to work pretty well.  i dont know if you noticed but you can rich click on the caption bar and change the "alignment" which affect how the panels resize when you expand form.  ie you can make them resize proportionally or align left and thus not resize.

the nicest thing i think is how you can save both panel arrangements and column customization (click tiny button on far left of columns), as presets, and then reload presets from the menu.  so the idea will be to make some nice presets and then save them and easily switch between them. i will be adding more columns to the database as well.

memory usage im going to have to investigate - basically it uses a database backend and there are tons of options to customize memory usage and stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 06:51:33 PM »

actually the #1 think i want is any reports of database errors.
like if you can get the program to say something about a record not being in edit state,etc.

my main concern is making sure that there is never data loss.
that's why i spent so much effort on providing backup functionality.

so the main thing i would like is any reports on stress testing where you can trigger a database error
(im not counting deleting files and stuff, i mean through normal use).
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2005, 08:20:24 AM »

v1.04.07
bugfix - scheduled recyclebin maintenance was asking for confirmation from user
minor change - consolidated clipboard options on one tab of options
minor new feature - added "clear filter/search" button

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2005, 09:13:58 AM »

Speaking of database errors, I got an access violation from CHS last night when I shut down my laptop.  I didnt close CHS first, I just shutdown.  Beyond that, I have no other information.  Let me know if you need more... I can try and look.

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2005, 09:27:25 AM »

could be another restart bug like my other program had because of failure to respond properly to restart events; i'll look into it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2005, 10:33:20 AM »

indeed that was it - failure to respond to system shutdown request gracefully.
new version uploaded with fix.  same url as before: http://www.donationcoder....ClipboardHelpAndSpell.zip
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2005, 01:00:35 PM »

v1.04.09
grabs application/company/product name not just title string
more options for custom titles
saves application info with clips (new Application column)
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2005, 04:57:26 PM »

I just got an error:

DBISAM Engine Error # 11013 Access denied to table 'ClipHistory'


But it was with an old version.  I went to download the new version using the link from the Alpha thread but it appears to be broken.  Any suggestions?

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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2005, 06:14:48 PM »

the latest download is on member download page:
http://donationcoder.com/...ClipboardHelpAndSpell.zip

i got one of those errors myself while working with the "banded" customization mode.

i also found that when i select a large number of clips and delete, the program exits!

clearly some bugs to fix.
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