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Bear Bottoms Freeware: A very nice high-quality software site
cranioscopical:
People are getting pretty antagonistic on this thread -- can i remind the DC regulars that the way we demonstrate tolerance and good manors here, is by acting respectful and showing by example how we expect people to behave, not by going on attack.
-mouser (December 14, 2008, 10:55 PM)
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Very true.
Nevertheless...
-40hz (December 15, 2008, 12:11 AM)
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Come on chaps, let go of it!
So, how about those Rays? Good on the ice, or what!
Josh:
Yes, let's all listen to cranioscopical
Silverstein:
People are getting pretty antagonistic on this thread -- can i remind the DC regulars that the way we demonstrate tolerance and good manors here, is by acting respectful and showing by example how we expect people to behave, not by going on attack.
-mouser (December 14, 2008, 10:55 PM)
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Very true.
Nevertheless the following does sound like a threat, doesn't it?-40hz (December 15, 2008, 12:11 AM)
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Those like me who have Googled "Bear Bottoms' to find the truth of who he is will be directed here. If the association with an admitted drug thugger is an acceptable one to you, then so be that association, and its consequences, as they lay on your head.
Let's not stop there. Not only is William "Bear Bottoms" a self-confessed criminal, he is also part of a vicious, massive US Governement conspiracy. I speak of Iran-Contra.
Bottoms not only drug-infested our country, he was directly responsible for the smuggling of weapons and of illegal cash payments. Oliver North and Rear Admiral John Poindexter were both, as others, convicted and sentenced for these crimes which have been dubbed by the press as Iran Contra. For those who do not know...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande08.html
Millions of dollars for weaponry, directly funded by the contributions of William "Bear" Bottoms by his own admissions. Keen guy, eh?
I own several companies that use contract coders, all of us are familiar with DC, it's fine reputation. I hate seeing it besmirched by association with slime.
-Silverstein (December 14, 2008, 06:56 PM)
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I find that statement to be rather interesting. In order for DC to be besmirched, somebody would need to do the besmirching.
Is Silvertein implying that there will be "consequences" for DC because one of its members posted a link and comment about Bear Bottoms Freeware?
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Asked and answered.
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A few thoughts:
First, I think it would be nice if somebody who came in making accusations like Silverstein would give us all a little more background on who he/she is? How about a real name and verifiable e-mail address for openers? Since Silverstein has stated he is a long time poster on ACF under his real name, it would do no harm to post it here.
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Answered.
Second, this is DC - not ACF. If Silvertein wants to provide supporting information to backup comments or allegations, he should provide them in the posting. DC forum readers should not have to go searching ACF or browsing unverifiable web alias URLs to find that information.
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Done, several times.
Third (last time I checked) this is a country based on laws - not opinions, feelings, or secret knowledge. If Silverstein actually "knows" what Mr. Bottoms did or didn't do, then he should be talking to the relevant authorities, and not flaming about it like an adolescent blogger.
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This country is based on laws, opinions, facts and, in Bear Bottoms case, his self-admission to criminality. I don't need anymore than that, you may wish more, that is your decision, you have mine.
And FWIW, being "thoroughly investigated by the ACF" isn't really relevant. The ACF is not a court, nor is it police agency.
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It is highly relevant, are you not doing the same here? Making dispersions and calling into question my large amount of evidences? Of course you are as is your right...to be wrong, in this case.
This country has recognized legal mechanisms and agencies for dealing with criminal and civil infractions. These mechanisms are based on law and derive their authority from legislation passed by elected representatives. The agencies that investigate infractions and enforce compliance with said laws, are also bound by the same laws, and subject to regulation and oversight. Anything outside of that is merely vigilantism.
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Bollocks. I have no idea what world you live in but it has little to do with legal realities. I would have thought the recent spate of GOP and Donkey Presidents would have driven that kernel of untruth from any reasonably informed and thinking persons mind.
Fourth, it may come as a surprise, but there are laws against defamation.
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Correct, if I am inaccurate, then Bottoms can have his day in court. if not, then he has nothing to do but hand his head in his self-admitted isgrace.
From Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
Slander per se
The four (4) categories of slander per se are (i) accusing someone of a crime; (ii) alleging that someone has a foul or loathsome disease; (iii) adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct her business or trade; and (iv) imputing serious sexual misconduct (especially the chastity of a woman). Once again, all you would have to prove is that someone had published the statement to a third party. No proof of special damages is required.
I don't know how it works in Louisiana, but up here in Connecticut, most of the statements Silvertein has posted would be considered legally actionable. And in the absence of any criminal or civil convictions against Mr. Bottoms, it wouldn't take long to get a judgment against Silvertein.
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Again, correct.
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In the end, it all comes down to "put up or shut up" as the saying goes. But considering the seriousness of Silverstein's accusations, DC is hardly the place for that.
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Would you have preferred that this fine forum be continually associated with such as Bear Bottoms? Why? Is DC not better off having this openly discussed as you have done at such great length?You spared no space in defaming me, did you? Why is it that of the sides you have chosen you choose to defend a self-admitted cocaine smuggler. Why? I have to ask, why?
I have answered all your questions, met you squarely, I ask that you now answer mine.
P.S. Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others. Libel generally refers to statements or visual depictions in written or other permanent form, while slander refers to verbal statements and gestures. In Lousiana or Conneticut.
Silverstein:
It's nothing new for even the computer software greats to engage in socially-unacceptable behavior. The great Alan Turing was arrested for his then-illegal sexual proclivities, and later killed himself because he couldn't stand to bear his deviance. That in no way detracts from the awesome contributions that he made to the field of computing, and indeed to mankind as a whole.-CWuestefeld (December 15, 2008, 06:54 AM)
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Are you intimating that Bear Bottoms is even remotely on the equal level of Turing?
I point this out not to absolve anyone of anything. It's to show that one's personal life is entirely distinct from the contributions one makes. Go ahead and crucify Turing and anyone else whose behavior you disdain, but do it elsewhere. The topic of discussion here is computer software.
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Then please, take your own advice.
I believe the topic of discussion is twofold. Does DC support the orignal posters contentions regarding the quality of Bear Bottoms website? Does DC do so in light of all evidences that DC, and I wll assume the OP, have been sorrily mislead?
Over to you.
Silverstein:
Only request I would have is that he implement a "What's New" or "New Additions" page for easier perusal.
As for the rest of it. Let this Bear guy come speak for himself.-y0himba (December 15, 2008, 06:21 AM)
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y0himba, that is an excellent idea. I will have a post made requesting he do exactly that and will return with the link to assure the same.
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