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Interesting tad bit - MS Windows Genuine Advantage Phones Home Every day
nudone:
I understand everything you are saying however, being I only use my PC for Graphic art
http://thunder7.deviantart.com/
http://www.artwanted.com/artist.cfm?ArtID=24645&SetBG=Yes
http://www.artuproar.com/?profile=thunder7
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you've got some great looking fractals going on there, thunder7. :Thmbsup:
(and i love ms windows, just for the record.)
app103:
The NT kernel is far more stable and far more secure than the 9x kernel, that has been proven time and time again. I remember having to reinstall win98 every 3-4 months due to some driver or rogue app that would crash it. In XP and 2k, I have driver rollback, I have system restore,
-Josh (June 10, 2006, 04:25 PM)
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I didn't have much luck with Win98 either, but ...
I installed WinME about 3+ years ago on my P1...and exposed it to heavy daily around the clock use. (we work in shifts in my house and a computer doesn't get a chance to be idle for longer than it takes for someone to get up and use the bathroom and someone else to jump in the seat) I still haven't formatted it since that install. And WinME also has System Restore, just like XP does....it was the first version of Windows to have it. Win2k does NOT have System Restore, as you implied. Microsoft didn't give 2k users that luxury. Not sure what I would need driver rollback for since I won't be updating them and I have them backed up with Driver Magician any way.
IE6 (GOLD RELEASE) support for win9x will cease after July of this year ( http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/ ). So no, they wont receive patches, only win2k/xp will. This is good because the old 9x code bases need to be retired since the XP codebase is proven to be far more stable.
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Updates should continue for IE 6 on all versions of Windows till they retire IE6 for all Windows versions.
If they had no intention on doing this then there shouldn't have been an IE 6 for 9x to begin with.
The WMF bug, was patched immediately by microsoft. All of these exploits you list have all been patched by microsoft. And I ask, were you affected by the WMF bug?
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That isn't true. This bug was uncovered back in the beginning of January and I am still waiting for Microsoft to release the patch for my WinME, which is affected. And yes, I have been affected by the bug because I installed a 3rd party patch while waiting for an official one and unregistered the required .dll file. Same patch I put on my XP system while I waited. And I am getting tired of not being able to see thumbnails in Explorer and not being able to open .png files any more while I wait for an official patch that will fix this and let me go back to getting full use of my operating system. Like I said in an earlier post...WinME users keep getting the short end of the stick.
While there are more exploits, how many have you been hit by? The only one I was hit by was blaster, and that was an easy patch.
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None. I never have been a victim of any type of exploit while running 9x.
I must be some sort of magician. I have run 9x for years without falling victim to an exploit, without ever being infected with a virus, without any major spyware issues. And my system has been quite stable, not needing a format or reinstall in quite a few years. The last format was to upgrade the OS to WinME. And the only time I reboot is to reset the modem.
And I have used it for EVERYTHING...programming, graphics work, running a web server, hosting a chatroom with 30+ active chatters even. Some have accused me of abusing that poor old pc....pushing it to its limits, constantly....running software I should never have even thought of installing on it. I treated that P1 like it was a P4.
And every day that system gets better & better...more & more stable.
I can't say the same for my XP machine's stability.
Uptime record on 9x was in excess of 65 days straight, online with heavy use. (a major power failure in my neighborhood broke that streak)
Uptime record for XP has been about 3 days...and if you compare system specs between the 2 machines, the XP one hasn't been worked nearly as hard.
Josh:
IE6 Gold release wont receive updates as of the date I posted, however, microsoft considers each update a "new release" of IE. Hence, IE6 SP1 will be a new release, IE6 SP2 (XP) will be a new release. Microsoft will be cutting off security updates for XP GOLD sooner than they will for XP SP2 or SP1 (As you can verify by checking update.microsoft.com where they have a box that says only SP1 and SP2 receive new updates).
While your luck with XP hasnt been as good, I have seen (including my pc) uptimes of over 3 months. My PC uptime record is 2 months, 1 week and 3 days a couple of months back on my old PC before the power supply failed. I've also seen win9x stay up for months at a time, we have pc's at work that have been up for 2 years on win95.
Driver rollback is a very useful feature that lets you rollback to a previously installed driver if an upgrade goes afoul. Its saved me numerous times and I havent had to rely on a third party app.
I didnt intend to imply that 2k had system restore, I retract that implication.
With your saying that you were affected by the WMF bug, I dont consider being affected having to install a 3rd party app (THIS IS JUST MY OWN OPINION, Not saying its everyones), I consider being affected meaning that you have had an exploit hit through the vulnerability that was associated with said filetype. Yes, it impacted your system usage as you had to unregister the wmf shell dll, but I dont consider it as you being "hit" by the vuln.
Anyways, glad to see you are having a good time with WinME, but I must say you are in the minority as I've seen and troubleshot many systems in my previous jobs (as well as the 10 years I've been on irc in efnet's #help) where people have had windows ME installed.
Anyways, I await your reply!
f0dder:
thunder7: did you ever use EMF/WMF graphics format? Probably not, as it's largely a (obsolete) print format. The bug was fixed rapidly. It was pretty serious, yes, but a hidden backdoor? Nah.
And google for "Windows Microsoft Backdoors" gives 129,000 hits? "os x exploits" gives 10,300,000. Which is of course ludicruous, but serves to demonstrate that simple google searches don't show the real problems.
App, since you don't have anything negative to say, you're one of the lucky users of WinMe :). People generally either think "it worked just fine" or "it's the worst system Microsoft ever designed". Win98 2nd Ed. worked pretty well (in the mediocre and crashing easily) way across all systems - WinMe either worked okay, or crashed like hell. At my old hischool, we had to roll back ~50 machines to win98se (trading WinMe licenses to win98 licenses) - not fun.
Updates should continue for IE 6 on all versions of Windows till they retire IE6 for all Windows versions.
If they had no intention on doing this then there shouldn't have been an IE 6 for 9x to begin with.
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Ho humm. NT and 9x versions of an application have a lot of codebase in common, there's still some differences, and applications have to be extensively tested before release (you might not think they do this, but they do ;)). I can quite understand why 9x support is being dropped.
And yes, I have been affected by the bug because I installed a 3rd party patch while waiting for an official one and unregistered the required .dll file.
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You haven't been affected by the patch then, but by unsupported 3rd-party software ;). In reality, an in-memory patch could have been done that would just remove the problem, since the details are well-known. But nutjobs like Steve Gibson don't have the skills to write something like that.
Interesting that you've had 65 days uptime, considering the ~50-day timestamp counter wraparound thing :)
Funny thing with XP is that *a few* people are having really hellish problems with it too. It's not at the scale of the WinMe problems, though, and I think it can generally be attributed to hardware failure or bad drivers - NT does put more strain on the system, and makes bad stuff break easier.
I've never bothered with long uptimes on windows myself, as I (unless something important is running) turn off my box every night for sleep and power reasons. I know that people using hibernate have had insane uptimes, and I've had 14 days easily (with 12 times hard abuse and 12 times "only downloads and computations").
I've always disabled driver rollback and the likes. If I've shafted my system, I reinstall it to get a decent state. That's probably just me that tends to royally shaft my system when it finally happens :)
thunder7:
I like Windows to, I just wish it was not so buggy.
It is like you go to buy a car, they ok you bought the car!. You go to drive it home they tell, aaah,... the say you have to get it towed to your house, the engine,trasmission, wheels, bracks we will have to send you when there finished.
If that was so none of us would buy with these conditions.
That just about how Windows is.
But you really do not Own Windows that is on the CD, your renting it. Or so they make it sound.
I was going to buy this awesome graphics program, until I saw this:
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Army huh? Josh.
Well first off I want to Thank you for serving our country
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And second Like I said my girlfriend for a living she is a computer Tech.
I just got thru asking am I accurate here? She said yes Windows has too many back doors.
And third: I do not know everything nor will I claim I do.
There is a lot I do not know, I have been using Windows for 12 years now, I know all the little lovely problems I have had, and the fun I have had, and wonderful friends I have made.
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