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IainB

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #900 on: November 11, 2016, 11:37:09 PM »
@Arizona Hot: Eh? What elections?
You being in New Zealand, I can see why you're in denial about Clinton losing in the elections here. What other reason could you have for denying knowledge about someone as loud and blatant as Donald Trump.
Hahaha, not quite. Obviously I was merely joking about your assumption that readers would know about the elections, in what I wrote above. I am (as usual) at a loss to comprehend American politics, but with the news feeds chokka with "US elections!" news items, and, though I have not been following the elections per se, how could one possibly not know that the elections were "on"?    :D

As it happens, I have in fact been rather well-informed about the progress and outcome of this particular US election process - not through the news media (which I pay little attention to anyway) but because my 15 y/o daughter is currently keenly interested in philosophy and political philosophy in particular - especially where the latter reflects democracy and freedom of thought and action (or the lack of those things) in a society. She has kept me regularly updated, whether I wanted to be or not!    :D

Actually, she was very concerned yesterday because there was reportedly a backlash of sometimes vitriolic hate from a vociferous section of the Clinton (I'm not sure whether that's Democrat or Republican) followers, after they had learned that they were in a minority as far as the election outcome went. Apparently some of them couldn't accept this and some biased news media outlets were in outright denial/rejection and a news video showed some supporters calling for Trump voters to be outed and killed, or something, and some Trump supporters had already been beaten up for their sins, with a black American mother even posting a video online where she psychologically torments her 9 y/o son for voting for Trump in his school's dummy election.

She had been discussing this situation with her classmates at school yesterday, and came home with two complex and interesting questions:
  • (a) If they were prepared to consider committing violence towards those who disagree with them, did I think the Clinton supporters might try to get/incite someone to assassinate Trump, thereby frustrating his being President?

  • (b) This minority - the Clinton supporters - are "liberal progressives". That is (so she informed me), people who proclaim the most loudly that there is no reality, no objective truth, and that we all must respect our different realities and perspectives. Yet they now apparently seem to have nothing left in place of argumentation, persuasion and reason except shouts, screams, insults, pouts, tears, threats and even death threats. Did they perhaps only accept the democratic process whilst it presented a means of imposing their will/ideology onto others and do they now reject the democratic process because it has failed them in this?

You can imagine we had an interesting discussion, and I was most impressed with - and learned something from - my daughter's rather penetrating questions. (Proud father.)

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #901 on: November 12, 2016, 05:46:51 AM »
eh, is that Windows 10 or was it without any Windows?

While I'm here: @ proud IainB, I agree with your daughter, and I have been very disappointed with all these democrats not behaving democratic. The guy has been democratic elected; Now go and support your president = now go and support your democracy = be a democrat!

Also: I am very pleased with Blackbird ("Windows 10 - Collection of Hacks, Tweaks, Improvements" http://www.donationc...opic=43183.msg403836 ); now updated for the newest 1607 Win 10, I am positive my Windows laptop now is starting faster and running smoother.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #902 on: November 12, 2016, 07:28:52 AM »
...Also: I am very pleased with Blackbird ("Windows 10 - Collection of Hacks, Tweaks, Improvements" http://www.donationc...opic=43183.msg403836 ); now updated for the newest 1607 Win 10, I am positive my Windows laptop now is starting faster and running smoother.
I thought that Blackbird looked pretty good, but I when it came time to use it I decided it was a bit too risky a "black box", so in the end did not use it. I consider that it needs a reliable "Undo" feature for each thing that it does.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #903 on: November 12, 2016, 11:10:59 AM »
While I'm here: @ proud IainB, I agree with your daughter, and I have been very disappointed with all these democrats not behaving democratic. The guy has been democratic elected; Now go and support your president = now go and support your democracy = be a democrat!

It's not that simplistic.  But this isn't the place for that discussion.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #905 on: November 20, 2016, 04:17:07 PM »
it needs a reliable "Undo" feature for each thing that it does.

-yes, it only has for all of it in one go: CMD blackbird -r = Recovery Mode. Restores all values changed by Blackbird to default Microsoft values.
but as you said, not for each thing.

http://www.getblackbird.net/documentation/readme/

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #906 on: November 20, 2016, 10:23:00 PM »
@Curt: That's the trouble with any "black box" approach - one does not know what the heck it is up to nor have an easy way of testing it to verify whether it correctly does what it's supposed to do, or whether it does something else - e.g., they may have irreversible errors, or be used deliberately or unwittingly as a container for distributing (say) a trojan virus or PUP. Adobe Reader, the ASK and Yahoo! toolbars and various so-called "Registry Cleaners" are typical examples. Trustworthiness comes into this somewhere.


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #907 on: November 21, 2016, 01:00:53 AM »
Blackbird is just a command file (~1MB), you can view and edit it if you want.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #908 on: December 05, 2016, 11:55:38 PM »

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #909 on: December 09, 2016, 11:45:36 PM »
Window Update 12-09-16.jpgWindows 10 Announced

Looks like Microsoft is getting ready for Christmas.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #910 on: December 13, 2016, 05:20:18 PM »
Win 10 update 12-13-16.jpgWindows 10 Announced

Surprise! A second update this month. The Microsoft article doesn't say anything about fixing the previous Update.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 05:26:10 PM by Arizona Hot »

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #911 on: December 13, 2016, 06:08:30 PM »
Yep. I let the 1st one through and after it had finished, to my great surprise there was a 2nd big one waiting in the queue to hog bandwidth.
Looks like a bad case of OS update constipation.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #912 on: December 13, 2016, 06:21:04 PM »
Before, after updates and so often in between windows modules installer worker keeps eating resources, despite its own shortcomings glad I am spending most of time on linux

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #913 on: December 14, 2016, 07:02:51 PM »
The good news is that Microsoft is working on an update mechanism that will just update directly to the latest version instead of having to download an outdated update before being able to download the most recent one.


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #914 on: December 15, 2016, 08:18:41 AM »
The good news is that Microsoft is working on an update mechanism that will just update directly to the latest version instead of having to download an outdated update before being able to download the most recent one.

Device users may be comfortable with the mechanism.  But for Desktop/Laptop machines it is too prone to breaking working systems.  There should be a "service pack only" setting to only update when bunches of fixes have been tested together after applying to a system running the last service pack.  If they want to call them "cumulative updates" that's fine.  But I cannot think of a more band aid approach than patching your OS as every vulnerability is found.  There are just too many side effects in coding to get all that stuff right.  Often it takes awhile for a regression to turn up especially if it causes only intermittent problems.

Basically it is a hack that has become institutionalized along with the side effect that MS now controls your system rather than you.  As I say, this may be fine for phone or tablet.  But not a great way to service desktop type environments.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #915 on: December 15, 2016, 07:35:59 PM »
Basically it is a hack that has become institutionalized along with the side effect that MS now controls your system rather than you.
Sometime in 2017 I may be able to get a new modestly priced pc, and it's got me to wondering about all the rag-chewing when this thread first began airing 37 pages ago about wild reports that Windows 10 abuses the update function and self-installs onto Windows 8 & 7, it regularly searches for and sends copies of all text and pix files to MS without your awareness, knowledge, or permission, and reserves the privilege of monitoring and deleting anything deemed 'infringing', and I forget what else. So what's the score with Windows 10 now? I admit to being so disconnected from this scene, that once I'm finally ready to get a new machine, my current preferred option is to swap my Windows XP Home onto a SSD to install in the new box; or maybe purchase and install Windows XP Professional and rebuild something as close as possible to my current WinXP Home OS. IOW to stick with some form of WinXP. For one thing, I've got some really nice but exclusively WinXP-compatible programs I would hate to sacrifice just for the sake of upgrading to Windows 10 (especially what with all the bad rumors I just named).
"This is the best bad idea we have, sir. By far." (cf. 'Argo'.)

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #916 on: December 15, 2016, 09:25:04 PM »
Basically it is a hack that has become institutionalized along with the side effect that MS now controls your system rather than you.
Sometime in 2017 I may be able to get a new modestly priced pc, and it's got me to wondering about all the rag-chewing when this thread first began airing 37 pages ago about wild reports that Windows 10 abuses the update function and self-installs onto Windows 8 & 7, it regularly searches for and sends copies of all text and pix files to MS without your awareness, knowledge, or permission, and reserves the privilege of monitoring and deleting anything deemed 'infringing', and I forget what else. So what's the score with Windows 10 now? I admit to being so disconnected from this scene, that once I'm finally ready to get a new machine, my current preferred option is to swap my Windows XP Home onto a SSD to install in the new box; or maybe purchase and install Windows XP Professional and rebuild something as close as possible to my current WinXP Home OS. IOW to stick with some form of WinXP. For one thing, I've got some really nice but exclusively WinXP-compatible programs I would hate to sacrifice just for the sake of upgrading to Windows 10 (especially what with all the bad rumors I just named).

My wife still uses XP SP3 + updates to when they stopped. Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz. Contrary to some "authorities" comments, WinXP will run, and run, and run until the music stops.  I'ts still a viable option.

However, you WILL find issues with newer hardware and limited or no driver support for XP.  In fact for new hardware, think there will be NO drivers available for XP.  That's where your main trouble will be - not in "nasties" or so-called "security leaks" if you're careful about using firewalls etc.

What will happen in 2017-20 who knows, but anticipate more of the same from MS.  You will have to take the step to WinXYX sometime, hardware will outgrow XP within a few years, and you will find it difficult to buy compatible bits and pieces.  But all the best, and may the force be with you.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #917 on: December 15, 2016, 09:50:23 PM »
Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.
Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture.  8)
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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #918 on: December 16, 2016, 01:28:15 AM »
Win 10 Update 12-15-16.jpgWindows 10 Announced

3 Updates in one month! Do they want Christmas bonuses (or time off after Christmas)? Will we get 5 Updates this month?

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #919 on: December 16, 2016, 03:35:26 PM »
Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.
Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture.  8)

Mine's a Core 2Duo 3ghz, ran well with XP, also W10 runs faster, no lags unless I'm processing big photos.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #920 on: December 17, 2016, 08:09:30 AM »
Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.
Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture.  8)

Mine's a Core 2Duo 3ghz, ran well with XP, also W10 runs faster, no lags unless I'm processing big photos.
Win10 cannot arbitrarily upgrade WinXP, or sift through XP's pix and word files to see if anything needs to be arbitrarily deleted because it 'infringes' or qualifies as slanderous or libelous 'fake news' thought crime.
"This is the best bad idea we have, sir. By far." (cf. 'Argo'.)
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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #921 on: December 17, 2016, 01:56:58 PM »
Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.
Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture.  8)

Mine's a Core 2Duo 3ghz, ran well with XP, also W10 runs faster, no lags unless I'm processing big photos.
Win10 cannot arbitrarily upgrade WinXP, or sift through XP's pix and word files to see if anything needs to be arbitrarily deleted because it 'infringes' or qualifies as slanderous or libelous 'fake news' thought crime.

Eeesh!  True, but a bit tough for a Sunday morning.