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Problem:1 cable modem 150/20 mbps & 1 fiber line 5/5mbps how to distribute best
questorfla:
WOW! Looks like I opened a can of worms. Here is as much detail as I have this time of night because right in the MIDDLE of all this... God Help us...
they decided to jump on that Godaddy /Microsoft combo hosted 365 exchange !!:(
I can say this . IF???>>> they ever get ther bugs worked out, This is one amazing commo package. I am not a "frills tech". I only care a bout reliability and speed.
I can give you some Honest triple checked times that border on the impossible.
You can open Your email app on computer. Send a TEXT as a email to a cellphone in another state. Have the other party one the phone when you do this.
If possible, have the volume set to high so both partied can hear the "ding" on each others phones.
As soon as you hit send. and I mean as SOON AS, like maybe 2 seconds. the party receiving the email in their cell phone as TEXT even (ie: sent to their phone number.txt.att.net (if using at&t) or similar for others. Total time from you hit send to they get test. 3 seconds! Maybe 5 if a bad time of day. we have never seen more then 5 seconds.
Same test email to email. Same results. Same test phone to phone, same results. This is the FASTEST linking I have ever seen and if someone out there knows how they do it I sure would like to find out. In theory... sure, Speed of light and all that, But in FACT there is no straight path and the routing and overhead make this totally impossible.
It would make a great magic trick in Vegas!
WE tested against normal simple IM phone to phone and this beat it by a fair amount.
I still have not figured out the Go Daddy+ Microsoft Partnership it was the most out of the blue link I could imagine.
Anyway. The Router layout was explained to me like this:
The COX modem supplies a full duplex signal which cannot be handled by "ANY" modern unmanaged switch. He said the switch would only allow the single sided connection which would drop the speed to 100Mbit. Those were HIS terms exactly.
He suggested i try a "better switch/ Fortunately, I already had. Not just one but several.
ASUS, DLINK, CISCO, NETGEAR, and a few White label that are ALL marked as gigabit "self-managed" leaving any one port to be input with the rest as out put.
Not only did NOT of them work, they ALL has the exact same symptom. The GREEN h-speed connect on the COX modem would ALWAYS be orange reflecting (to him at least0 that it was out "bad switches"
I have used ALL of these on mhy Mediacom Modem and never had one what forced the modem into a low speed state.
He the replaced whatever we had with a Motorola Surfboard and it was no different.
Right now, i order to give the office the speed it needs, I have the min office router running direct off the modem
I can then daisy-chain ALL the switches if i want to. I tried out of modem to #1,oput of #1 to #2, then to #3, then to #4, THGEN finally to a system., Speed test: 139down+20 up. Even with 15 other system plugged into various ports.
These are all 16 port switches. the one at the END was feeding the one i ran the test on.
So.. i am baffled. I have had a similar setup running for years on bonded T1's but I admit we were always getting the BENEFIT from wide open Intranet, this moving of our largest database to the cloud is what is doing all this. When I hosted the database in out office, NO problems (of course) since all equipment rated GB speeds.
We wont be getting GB on any kind of cloud connect but...
The REASON for the CLOUD is another post I had a while back about port 445. This is blocked by the ISP's for outbound from their user on HOME internet service, NOT blocked on Business service, The reason id listed as being done to protect the uneducated masses from various "worms". Apparently they don't care if businesses are protracted or not and besides it is OUTBOUND they block anyway, Sounds backward to me.
But: no port 445 both ways, no drive mapping, SAMBA requires it. Server 2008 (both R1 and R2) as well as any newer Ines all need that port to be open to map. If I could map the drives direct for users outside the building, we never had a problem. in all the years we ran it. IF the users PAY for Business they are unblocked and they can map from home just as before.
I have researched everywhere I know to find an alternative but.. No luck VPN's wont help because the blocking is done in the users home cable modem. They can connect perfect with the VPN and even run the SQL database program (which is on a higher port). If I could somehow squeeze in access to allow a mapped drive on another port, we would be fine.
Only alternative is CLOUD, cloud requires ALL use it (office and home) or else i have to keep literally hundreds of files per hour in syncing two way in a 50,000 file folder, THAT is why we need all that bandwidth.
I am wide open to any suggestions and have tried some suggested by others but nothing holds a candle to direct mapped drives on a vpn. WEBDAV wont do it, the ZCLOUD services are one more complexity and one more app to fail.
I will keep my eye on this thread and hope someone has found a loophole to get past this port block.
Stoic Joker:
The COX modem supplies a full duplex signal which cannot be handled by "ANY" modern unmanaged switch. He said the switch would only allow the single sided connection which would drop the speed to 100Mbit. Those were HIS terms exactly.-questorfla (May 22, 2014, 02:29 AM)
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:wallbash: I can't even make words to respond to this with. :wallbash:
Right now, i order to give the office the speed it needs, I have the min office router running direct off the modem
I can then daisy-chain ALL the switches if i want to. I tried out of modem to #1,oput of #1 to #2, then to #3, then to #4, THGEN finally to a system., Speed test: 139down+20 up. Even with 15 other system plugged into various ports.-questorfla (May 22, 2014, 02:29 AM)
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hub and spoke would probably be safer performance wise than a linear daisy chain to avoid cascading the traffic through a series of choke points across the switches, because the backbone speed of a switch will be faster than going port to port to port..
But - I should mention we also have Cox here (Not. My. Idea...) - my preferred configuration especially with cable companies is to bridge their device to an internal main router that can actually be controlled properly. So if that part of the configuration is working for you I'd stick with it (just make sure their box is bridged).
So our config (with Gb link all the way through) is Web-->Bridged Cox Box-->WatchGuard XTM26-->DMZ with public access servers in a CIDR /16-->WatchGuard XTM26-->LAN with users and stuff ;)
Now if you Cox box isn't bridged...that could easily be half the problem.
Did I mention bridging?
:D
40hz:
The COX modem supplies a full duplex signal which cannot be handled by "ANY" modern unmanaged switch. He said the switch would only allow the single sided connection which would drop the speed to 100Mbit. Those were HIS terms exactly.-questorfla (May 22, 2014, 02:29 AM)
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:wallbash: I can't even make words to respond to this with. :wallbash:
-Stoic Joker (May 22, 2014, 07:08 AM)
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Man! When it comes to that cable 'tech', the problem's not how much he doesn't know. The problem's how much of what he DOES 'know' is completely wrong. :huh:
40hz:
they decided to jump on that Godaddy /Microsoft combo hosted 365 exchange !!:(
I can say this . IF???>>> they ever get ther bugs worked out, This is one amazing commo package. I am not a "frills tech". I only care a bout reliability and speed.
-questorfla (May 22, 2014, 02:29 AM)
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Can't speak for GoDaddy's offering, but I have clients that subscribed directly to the full MS Office365 package which they're accessing through a "business grade" AT&T DSL connection, and the results are exceptionally impressive. At least to my eyes.
The critical factor is having a fast and reliable web connection - and a properly set up LAN. Since it's cloud, success is all in the plumbing. So it behoves you to pay extra for a higher bandwidth data plan and get some decent quality (i.e. non-consumer grade) networking hardware in place. You definitely want decent routers and switches if you're committing to a cloud solution for your business.
That said, one of my clients is using the usual Linksys cruft you can pick up at any Staples or OfficeMax - and it works just fine for their three person office. YMMV.
About the only hassle I ran into getting them set up was handling the cut-over for e-mail and DNS. That can get a little tricky if you don't understand what goes down when you do that. However, even if you don't, you can still manage to transition them very nicely provided you read the caveats and carefully follow the recommendations and instructions Microsoft provides.
In some respects. it's potentially more confusing for people who have been handling this stuff for years. Because the usual tools used to do it don't apply to Office365. You have learn (and use) the O365 admin interface. Microsoft has made it as simple as possible for a non-IT person to use. So much so that we "pros" sometimes get a little tripped up and confused because...well...it really can't be that easy, right?
Well guess what? It is. ;D
40hz:
But - I should mention we also have Cox here (Not. My. Idea...) - my preferred configuration especially with cable companies is to bridge their device to an internal main router that can actually be controlled properly.
-Stoic Joker (May 22, 2014, 07:08 AM)
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Now that suggestion is worth it's weight in gold. :Thmbsup: Even if you have to argue with your supplier to let you do it.
I almost got into a fistfight with a cable service to get them to turn off the friggin' DHCP and NAT on their router, supplied to my client who was paying for a /29 fixed IP service. They had wanted me to use "sticky" IP assignments for our fixed addresses because it somehow magically made the cable company's "ability to remotely test and maintain the client's router easier." (Which really doesn't make any sense at all. This hokey techno-BSing must be a cable thing!)
It took about twenty minutes and conversations with three separate idiots before I finally got a grownup on the line who reluctantly put the router in bridge mode and left the rest of the driving to us.
Sometimes you just have to stand your ground to get the job done right. :Thmbsup:
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