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IainB:
@Renegade: Oh, sorry. I see what you meant, now. I wonder whether just swapping one religio-political ideology and system - one of government - for another - one of general anarchy - would be likely to generate much the same result as the above revolutions?
It would be interesting to find out. You'd probably need to architect the thing with everyone's agreement though, otherwise a lot of innocent people will probably have to die in the revolutionary process.
A new kind of "new world order"?
Hmm...
Renegade:
@Renegade: Oh, sorry. I see what you meant, now. I wonder whether just swapping one religio-political ideology and system - one of government - for another - one of general anarchy - would be likely to generate much the same result as the above revolutions?
It would be interesting to find out. You'd probably need to architect the thing with everyone's agreement though, otherwise a lot of innocent people will probably have to die in the revolutionary process.
A new kind of "new world order"?
Hmm...
-IainB (June 21, 2014, 11:18 PM)
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I think you're missing the point I've tried to make in a few places - that the initiation of aggression is never acceptable. If we actually held that principle, we would have anarchy, which is apolitical.
http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Principle_of_non-aggression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
More on that topic all over the place.
Renegade:
Looks like Protonmail just got hosed by Paypal:
https://protonmail.ch/blog/paypal-freezes-protonmail-campaign-funds/
Paypal Freezes ProtonMail Campaign Funds
July 1, 2014 Andy Yen News & Articles
This morning, we received an email and telephone call from PayPal notifying us that our account has been restricted pending further review. At this time, it is not possible for ProtonMail to receive or send funds through PayPal. No attempt was made by PayPal to contact us before freezing our account, and no notice was given.
2014-06-30_202409
Like many others, we have all heard the PayPal horror stories, but didn’t actually think it would happen to us on our campaign since PayPal promised, very recently, to improve their policies. Unfortunately, it seems those were hollow promises as ProtonMail is now the latest in a long string of crowdfunding campaigns to be hit with account freezes. (For examples, just look here, here, and here).
While the $275,000 ProtonMail has raised in the past 2 weeks is a large amount, it pales in comparison to many other crowdfunding campaigns that have raised sums in excess of $1,000,000 so we can’t help but wonder why ProtonMail was singled out. When we pressed the PayPal representative on the phone for further details, he questioned whether ProtonMail is legal and if we have government approval to encrypt emails. We are not sure which government PayPal is referring to, but even the 4th Amendment of the US constitution guarantees:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures….”
It seems PayPal is trying to come up with ANY excuse they can to prevent us from receiving funds.
2014-06-30_205105
As a result, we have disabled PayPal as a payment option on our campaign page, but it is still possible contribute with credit card and Bitcoin. Please help us get the word out there as by bringing attention to this issue, we may be able to convince PayPal to do the right thing. And if anybody from PayPal is listening, we’ve emailed and called today, please get in touch with us as soon as possible.
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Lots of outrage from people:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/duplicates/29it54/after_raising_275000_in_2_weeks_paypal_freezes/
Privacy requires government approval? Seriously?
Edvard:
Wellllll... now we know of at least one more company that is securely in the spook's pocket. I mean, they wouldn't ask if it weren't a concern, right?. And it wouldn't be a concern unless... :tellme:
I'll let you flip on that light bulb yourself. ;)
IainB:
@Renegade: Oh, sorry. I see what you meant, now. I wonder whether just swapping one religio-political ideology and system - one of government - for another - one of general anarchy - would be likely to generate much the same result as the above revolutions?
It would be interesting to find out. You'd probably need to architect the thing with everyone's agreement though, otherwise a lot of innocent people will probably have to die in the revolutionary process.
A new kind of "new world order"?
Hmm...
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-IainB (June 21, 2014, 11:18 PM)
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I think you're missing the point I've tried to make in a few places - that the initiation of aggression is never acceptable. If we actually held that principle, we would have anarchy, which is apolitical.
http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Principle_of_non-aggression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
More on that topic all over the place.
-Renegade (June 30, 2014, 11:12 PM)
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I did understand the point. The definition of anarchy that you are using apparently includes the principle of non-agression.
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