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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2014, 09:04:41 AM »
 eliminated for bad composed
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« Last Edit: January 21, 2014, 09:15:37 AM by Contro »

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2014, 09:13:50 AM »
 :P
Remember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And remembering the problem I have :

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2014, 09:17:24 AM »
Perhaps with the new version from dbase.com i solve my problem with the code page
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2014, 10:07:45 AM »
Yes I remember dBase III Plus, Rick Spence Clipper and many other books along with Mastering VB 6.

I saw the Spanish program screen shot, it is using, most probably Expand or Grep Library type of codes for the drop-box etc.

dbDOS is, most likely, like DosBox which allows to run 16 bit DOS programs in 64 bit Windows OS. I use DosBox to check some of the old applications we made for our clients who wants them in Windows version.

Like I said, no matter what, you can not take a DOS code and make in Windows one. The GUI is huge difference as per the code goes. XBase++, which we use, will compile and make it run in hybrid mode in Windows 64 bit, but is very very costly.

You can wait for dBase.com if they come up with some easy solution.

Regards,

Anand

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2014, 10:35:04 AM »
Yes I remember dBase III Plus, Rick Spence Clipper and many other books along with Mastering VB 6.

I saw the Spanish program screen shot, it is using, most probably Expand or Grep Library type of codes for the drop-box etc.

dbDOS is, most likely, like DosBox which allows to run 16 bit DOS programs in 64 bit Windows OS. I use DosBox to check some of the old applications we made for our clients who wants them in Windows version.

Like I said, no matter what, you can not take a DOS code and make in Windows one. The GUI is huge difference as per the code goes. XBase++, which we use, will compile and make it run in hybrid mode in Windows 64 bit, but is very very costly.

You can wait for dBase.com if they come up with some easy solution.

Regards,

Anand


But the exe of one of my programs goes well in windows.

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2014, 12:14:10 PM »
 :-*
I have found this.
http://vetusware.com/
I have one thing to try
I remembered bitter attempts with my borland dbase 5.0 para DOS (spanish version) and the handicap of the code page failure.
So I must try in english
I am trying too with DosBox

Thanks Anand  :-*

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2014, 12:18:59 PM »
Owww i am crying
I remember my Quattro Pro . I conserv the original disks. It's like excel
And wordperfecttttttttt

I will come back later....
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2014, 12:36:58 PM »
I "remember" four disks
In vetustaware are four disks
I have EIGHT disks. No I have four disks. perhaps the eights are a prior version in 720 kb....
 ;D
The photos

I search with everything my hard disks and find a folder where seems I have the disks in other format. Presumably I transformed the disks 3½ in other format long time ago.

But I don't "remember". Sure i have security copies....
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2014, 12:38:17 PM »
How can I execute the disks in a console under a guest virtual machine running windows xp pro sp3 ?
 :-\

I have dBASE 5.0 para DOS in a folder. Goes like a portable program once is installed from the original disks. I think so.

Time to search the vmware machine under w98SE......


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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2014, 01:01:37 PM »
The problem with the code page was 437 vs. 850 .
In windows 98 SE under virtual machine some things some things fails

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2014, 01:03:39 PM »
some screenshots are from my app under dBASE.
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If I can recover in an easay way I can make invoices, inventory and that sort of things
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2014, 01:07:24 PM »
I remember i adapted to open a cash with ESC codes and use a scanner for reading bar codes
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2014, 01:52:46 PM »
I've no experience with code, but do have a bit of experience with trying to export/convert files from one format to another. You often end up with so much work that you wonder if it would have been better to recreate the file from scratch.

Surely with code, you will need to be able to code anyway, in order to correct all the minor things that dont convert well (?)

Yeah, I'm with Tomos - I'm no coder, but I did used to do file/data conversion as a key part of my old job. One program wants to add extra header lines to stuff, so then if you dump it your line count is hopelessly ruined. Another program wants to fiddle with pagination so then Adobe's Acrobat X comparison tool bombs with false positives because the entire document is off by a paragraph, creating False Positives.

Yecch.

Or, to be funny, look at the "advertising" graphic on that site:
https://varycode.com...version_conveyor.png

The first two rows of a Rubik's Cube are a snap. "Anyone with twelve brain cells" (shout out to Ren!) can do the first two rows. It's the last row that's a killer. I'm no SpeedSolver, so the method I use is sloppy and slow, but it all boils down to two cubes at the very end. Wait for it ...

It takes a 36 move sequence to do it!

That's like (File) conversion: It looks good, yay this is a snap, ... until that last 20% chews up 80% of your time!

Code, to do actual stuff, has to be worse. Data is just data. Code has to actually Do Stuff. I will absolutely say I don't trust any program created solely by a "converter". I'm fine if a programmer wants to use tools, but code is for ... uh ... code-monkeys er, people!


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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2014, 01:58:54 PM »
My program don't run in windows 7 even compiled
The main menu.exe gives error.
So they are 16 bit
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2014, 02:08:20 PM »
I've no experience with code, but do have a bit of experience with trying to export/convert files from one format to another. You often end up with so much work that you wonder if it would have been better to recreate the file from scratch.

Surely with code, you will need to be able to code anyway, in order to correct all the minor things that dont convert well (?)

Yeah, I'm with Tomos - I'm no coder, but I did used to do file/data conversion as a key part of my old job. One program wants to add extra header lines to stuff, so then if you dump it your line count is hopelessly ruined. Another program wants to fiddle with pagination so then Adobe's Acrobat X comparison tool bombs with false positives because the entire document is off by a paragraph, creating False Positives.

Yecch.

Or, to be funny, look at the "advertising" graphic on that site:
https://varycode.com...version_conveyor.png

The first two rows of a Rubik's Cube are a snap. "Anyone with twelve brain cells" (shout out to Ren!) can do the first two rows. It's the last row that's a killer. I'm no SpeedSolver, so the method I use is sloppy and slow, but it all boils down to two cubes at the very end. Wait for it ...

It takes a 36 move sequence to do it!

That's like (File) conversion: It looks good, yay this is a snap, ... until that last 20% chews up 80% of your time!

Code, to do actual stuff, has to be worse. Data is just data. Code has to actually Do Stuff. I will absolutely say I don't trust any program created solely by a "converter". I'm fine if a programmer wants to use tools, but code is for ... uh ... code-monkeys er, people!



the conversion idea comes to understand under my "dBASE eyes".
I don't have any need to translate to 7 while exists virtual machines able to run the program. And that is my problem now. Because the spanish version seems more incompatible than the english one.

I use at the present moment goldmine 5.5 under seven. But when i need to interact with office i do in the virtual machine with office xp.

The borland DBE seems to be the same the last version I adquired from Borland Visual dBASE 7 para windows 95 y windows NT.
But I remember some sort of problem under xp sp3 too.
So I don't know what to do because my program i really do from dbase III plus, dbase IV and finally dbase 5.0 para DOS, but almost don't use the visual dBASE 7

 :-\

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2014, 02:11:49 PM »
I've no experience with code, but do have a bit of experience with trying to export/convert files from one format to another. You often end up with so much work that you wonder if it would have been better to recreate the file from scratch.

Surely with code, you will need to be able to code anyway, in order to correct all the minor things that dont convert well (?)

Yeah, I'm with Tomos -

Or, to be funny, look at the "advertising" graphic on that site:
https://varycode.com...version_conveyor.png

 >:(

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2014, 02:22:39 PM »
The Borland Visual dBASE 7 for windows NT

I think i have a problem under windows xp pro impossible to solve.
And I don't understand like the english version of borland dbase 5.0 for dos es for windows xp too.
According to dbase.com this version don't have problems under xp, because really is the original version.

I don't remember, but Visual dBASE 7 for windows NT spanish version had a problem with xp. I think was related with the compiling possibilities.

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2014, 03:12:59 PM »
I install the trial of dbase plus 8 from dbase.com
Really it's very similar to Visual dBASE 7 from Borland, but uses SQL databases. Initially reads my shared data disk Y: for affecting the BDE that uses Goldmine 5.5 . I try this not happen and even obtain a security copy before and a snapshot in the virtual machine.
Finally seems go well. I will study. The price is similar to the program Ananda owns.

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2014, 03:21:09 PM »
In the virtual machine under windows xp pro my menu.exe obtain the error code page.

So i would like to know what can i do for launch a clone with another code page.
I don't remember now, but seems a problem with 850 and 437 code pages.

How can I change the code page in a clean windows xp pro sp3 installation ?

All under the same pc. Now the conditions of license have changed and only one windows 7-64 may be installed......

Terrible indeed.
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2014, 03:25:34 PM »
 ;D

Incompatibillity in line 10 in the source of menu.prg

modi comm i think was the way to edit a prg

modi comm menu.prg from the prompt .......

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2014, 03:27:19 PM »
Yes I remember dBase III Plus, Rick Spence Clipper and many other books along with Mastering VB 6.

I saw the Spanish program screen shot, it is using, most probably Expand or Grep Library type of codes for the drop-box etc.

dbDOS is, most likely, like DosBox which allows to run 16 bit DOS programs in 64 bit Windows OS. I use DosBox to check some of the old applications we made for our clients who wants them in Windows version.

Like I said, no matter what, you can not take a DOS code and make in Windows one. The GUI is huge difference as per the code goes. XBase++, which we use, will compile and make it run in hybrid mode in Windows 64 bit, but is very very costly.

You can wait for dBase.com if they come up with some easy solution.

Regards,

Anand


Anand. Of course i can try anyway in dosbox.
But i need how to execute the disks from the vetusware site i have downloaded.

 :-[

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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2014, 03:32:51 PM »
 ;D

Set device to screen don't works in dbase plus anymore.....
And the program is not entirely mine of course.
I mention stephen kurasch  at the beginning of the script because was a menu example in one of my books. Why invent if someone does better than you ?.
But i was very proud of the method for controlling the holes or spaces in my old shop, and the tiny labels in my Epson LQ 1050, dot prints, 132 columns carriage.
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2014, 03:35:28 PM »
Perhaps the main problem I suspect is the printing capabilities because I remember that dBASE brings its own drivers or so, not the way now happen.
But if in any way may be possible for me obtain a pdf is enough.
Is what i am doing when work in the virtual machines.
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Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2014, 03:46:45 PM »
 ;D

I have a problem.
In my old pc i have a 3½ disk drive, but don't have the virtual machines.
So.
I have to remember how can I mount virtually like a virtual CD/DVD those high density disks 3½
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