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Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage.
tomos:
HA! We were all WRONG!
The NSA actually ARE the good guys!
They ARE spying on the terrorists! Here's the proof!
(Page 1) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-nsa-documents-show-how-the-us-spies-on-europe-and-the-un-a-918625.html
(Page 2) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-nsa-documents-show-how-the-us-spies-on-europe-and-the-un-a-918625-2.html-Renegade (August 27, 2013, 07:10 AM)
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more interesting details...
dr_andus:
Something doesn't add up... Earlier I wondered whether security agencies were just going through the motions in pursuing Snowden or he indeed had some incredibly important documents with him.
Details that emerged from the UK High Court today suggest (or at least the security agencies suggest) that Miranda had 58,000 encrypted documents on his hard drive, which they suspect contain the names of UK agents. If that was true (and presuming that names of US security agents are also on the list), then it would explain the fervour with which Snowden and everyone who is suspected to be related to him somehow (including Bolivia's El Presidente) is being pursued.
However, Greenwald said that Snowden gave him around 20,000 documents. So where did the rest come from? And how could a contractor like Snowden possibly get access to identities of UK and US agents? If he really did, then it would be a massive cock-up on somebody's part within the NSA, and the CIA, and MI6 etc. On the other hand, this could also be a white lie to justify the "going through the motions" in order to deter future whistleblowers.
Here is the quote:
In his statement, Robbins claimed the encrypted material included personal information of UK intelligence officers, any compromise of which would result in a risk to the lives of them and their families and the risk they would become recruitment targets for terrorists and hostile spy agencies. The hard drive seized from Miranda contained approximately 58,000 highly classified UK intelligence documents, the compromise of which "would do serious damage to UK national security and ultimately risk lives".
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dr_andus:
Or maybe it was just the secret budget they were after ;)
The CIA's budget is the most expensive, $14.7bn (£9.5bn) out of $52.6bn in total for 16 intelligence agencies...
...the CIA's budget has grown more than 50% since 2004.
The files also reportedly show the budget of the National Security Agency (NSA), America's electronic spying organisation - it apparently requested $10.8bn for 2013, making it second only to the CIA.
The CIA and the NSA have also launched "offensive cyber operations" to hack into or sabotage enemy computer networks, according to the files.
The documents reportedly refer to China, Russia, Iran, Cuba and Israel as "priority" counterintelligence targets. Israel is an American ally, though it has previously conducted espionage against the US.
The NSA is denying one part of Friday's report - that the agency planned to investigate up to 4,000 cases of possible internal security breaches before Mr Snowden made his disclosures to the media.
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Renegade:
Once again, my super-powers of not pissing myself laughing have come in quite handy! (Still working on the pooping powers...)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/edward-snowden-leaks-misguided-cyber-attacks
Edward Snowden's leaks are misguided – they risk exposing us to cyber-attacks
Journalists are not best placed to identify security risks; we have to trust those who oversee the intelligence-gathering
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BWAHAHAHAHA~! SERIOUSLY?
Yes - seriously. It's not an Onion article. It's real. This guy actually means that!
I really wonder what colour the sky is in some people's worlds.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds! :P
Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies.
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly;
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
Cellophane flowers of yellow and green
Towering over your head;
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she’s gone.
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Whatever view we take on where as a society we want the balance between our right to privacy against our right to live in security, we all need to have confidence that in the hands of our authorities these powerful tools of interception are not being abused.
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HAHAHAHA!
Yeah, if we all just believe hard enough, the magic will become real!
I also want a plaid pegasus pony with a polka-dot saddle so I can ride over the rainbow and go swimming in a leprechaun's pot of gold!
We have to have trust in those we ask to verify the activities of the state on our behalf:
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BWAHAHAHA!
Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain,
Where rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies.
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers
That grow so incredible high.
Newspaper taxis appear on the shore,
Waiting to take you away.
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds,
And you’re gone.
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Professor Sir David Omand is a former director of GCHQ and a former intelligence and security co-ordinator for the prime minister
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Ahhhhh!
Stay tuned... more hilarity will ensue! It always does! ;D 8)
tomos:
^from the Guardian link for Sir David Omand
David Omand is visiting professor in the War Studies Department of King's College London and a former director of GCHQ, permanent secretary of the Home Office and UK security and intelligence co-ordinator. He is author of Securing the State
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