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Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage.
wraith808:
PM 'told Heywood to warn Guardian'
Renegade:
PM 'told Heywood to warn Guardian'
-wraith808 (August 20, 2013, 11:47 PM)
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Holy deluded special ed classes, Batman!
That the Home Secretary is informed about a possible police action to begin with shows that there is something WRONG going on.
Should the MPs be informed if you take an axe to a telephone pole and then get arrested for vandalism? How about if you speed too fast? Beat your dog? Beat your spouse? Beat your PM? :P Well, you'd be a hero if you beat your PM, but that's another story. :P
She went on: "We have a very clear divide in this country, and I think that's absolutely right, between the operational independence of the police and the policy work of politicians. I as Home Secretary do not tell the police who they should or should not stop at ports or who they should or should not arrest. I think it's absolutely right that that is the case, that the police decide who they should stop or not and whether they should arrest somebody or not. That's their operational independence. I'm pleased that we live in a country where there is that separation."
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That is so incredibly disingenuous. Holy crap. Unreal.
Renegade:
Here's Falkvinge's take on the most recent criminality:
http://falkvinge.net/2013/08/20/we-said-vague-laws-against-terror-would-be-used-to-silence-journalism-on-the-path-to-totalitarianism-this-was-the-last-warning-bell-do-you-believe-us-now/
With Glenn Greenwald’s partner being harassed by security forces at Heathrow, the last warning bell for totalitarianism has chimed. For upwards of a decade, activists of the Pirate Party have been warning that laws that are marketed to the public as being “against terror” or “against child pornography” are so vague and so full of exceptions to due process that they don’t make sense if they’re not actually targeted at creating a totalitarian society. With family members of reporters taken away for detention and harassment, the last warning bell has gone off – there will not be another bell before they come for me and you.
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More at the link, and a VERY worthwhile read.
TaoPhoenix:
Haha!
We have the next move (sorta) from Snowden's side in this game!
"EFF Victory Results in Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding NSA Surveillance Unconstitutional
Update: In response to EFF's FOIA lawsuit, the government has released the 2011 FISA court opinion ruling some NSA surveillance unconstitutional."
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/eff-victory-results-expected-release-secret-court-opinion-finding-nsa-surveillance
So then the "U Word" is among the highest in the land. It's all blah-blah, then appeal-blah, then another-appeal-blah, and then when the U-Word shows up the Judiciary goes all sudo-don't-do-that.
Stating the obvious, one reason this is big news, (and a nice move - is this a Discovered Knight Fork?), is that not only is
A: the action (some of it) U-Word, but
B: the court actually had a shred of decency, but then the exec branch's secrecy tried to hide it.
C. your choice here
See, they've been wiggling around (hiding the opinion), but it's *reeeeaaaallly* hard to *overturn* the U-Word. (It DOES happen, but far from easily, and never this quick.)
So now we're at the dangerous part, of "So, the U-Word is here. But Nat-Sec blah blah, we'll ignore the ruling".
Comments? Countermoves from Gov?
Renegade:
Haha!
We have the next move (sorta) from Snowden's side in this game!
"EFF Victory Results in Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding NSA Surveillance Unconstitutional
Update: In response to EFF's FOIA lawsuit, the government has released the 2011 FISA court opinion ruling some NSA surveillance unconstitutional."
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/eff-victory-results-expected-release-secret-court-opinion-finding-nsa-surveillance
So then the "U Word" is among the highest in the land. It's all blah-blah, then appeal-blah, then another-appeal-blah, and then when the U-Word shows up the Judiciary goes all sudo-don't-do-that.
Stating the obvious, one reason this is big news, (and a nice move - is this a Discovered Knight Fork?), is that not only is
A: the action (some of it) U-Word, but
B: the court actually had a shred of decency, but then the exec branch's secrecy tried to hide it.
C. your choice here
See, they've been wiggling around (hiding the opinion), but it's *reeeeaaaallly* hard to *overturn* the U-Word. (It DOES happen, but far from easily, and never this quick.)
So now we're at the dangerous part, of "So, the U-Word is here. But Nat-Sec blah blah, we'll ignore the ruling".
Comments? Countermoves from Gov?-TaoPhoenix (August 22, 2013, 02:09 AM)
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WOW! THAT'S AWESOME! ;D :Thmbsup: :-*
I know this is just a deluded fantasy of mine, but I would love to see people tried for treason for this, including Obama and Bush, and Clinton if he knew about it. Probably George H. W. Bush as well - that prick goes way back to the OSS days - if ever there were a sinister fellow, he's the very embodiment of it. But, my bet is that everyone that knows where the skeletons are buried, are buried skeletons.
Blah. Just a fantasy of mine. My bigger fantasy is to see all the real criminals in "gummit" prosecuted in Canada... Sigh... that'll never happen though.
Still, I'm elated to see this EFF victory! Now, I'm just hoping that they don't redact everything except the title - which they've done before... crossing fingers...
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