Main Area and Open Discussion > Living Room
Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage.
dr_andus:
And if Snowden winds up someplace in South America, he'll be "extracted" sooner or later. Count on it.
Not that long ago, the United States went into an independent nation called Panama, hauled out it's freekin' president, shipped him back to the US to stand trial, and incarcerated him. So I doubt going in and grabbing one of its own citizens charged with espionage is going to give the US much pause or concern. It has the tools. It has the talent. And it wrote its own law that said it's legal for the good ol' USA to do things like that - even if they won't let anybody read it.
-40hz (July 08, 2013, 09:54 AM)
--- End quote ---
If this were true though, then why doesn't the US let Snowden leave Moscow, so he could be more easily apprehended in Latin America? Quite the opposite is happening. Everything the US has done so far had contributed to Snowden staying put in Moscow. So either a dilettante is directing this entire operation (whoever he or she may be) in the US, or it might not be that easy or convenient to seize him in Latin America after all.
dr_andus:
But this whole scandal is suggesting to me that perhaps the NSA is putting so much effort into online spying on everyone because it is a lot easier to do (from the comfort of your plush suburban office) than to get your sorry ass over to Yemen or Waziristan to find out what is really going on (and get all sweaty and dusty and in real danger 'n stuff) ;) So what we get then is a bunch of operatives who are really good at using Facebook ;)
wraith808:
But this whole scandal is suggesting to me that perhaps the NSA is putting so much effort into online spying on everyone because it is a lot easier to do (from the comfort of your plush suburban office) than to get your sorry ass over to Yemen or Waziristan to find out what is really going on (and get all sweaty and dusty and in real danger 'n stuff) ;) So what we get then is a bunch of operatives who are really good at using Facebook ;)
-dr_andus (July 09, 2013, 12:49 PM)
--- End quote ---
That's a very real discussion and divide. One side says that sigint is better because you remove the likelihood of some agent doing something stupid on the ground that you will have to later explain, and curtail corruption. The other side says that there is no replacement for human intuition and analysis on the ground. I think it's somewhere between... but that seems too much like common sense.
Tinman57:
And if Snowden winds up someplace in South America, he'll be "extracted" sooner or later. Count on it.
Not that long ago, the United States went into an independent nation called Panama, hauled out it's freekin' president, shipped him back to the US to stand trial, and incarcerated him. So I doubt going in and grabbing one of its own citizens charged with espionage is going to give the US much pause or concern. It has the tools. It has the talent. And it wrote its own law that said it's legal for the good ol' USA to do things like that - even if they won't let anybody read it.
-40hz (July 08, 2013, 09:54 AM)
--- End quote ---
If this were true though, then why doesn't the US let Snowden leave Moscow, so he could be more easily apprehended in Latin America? Quite the opposite is happening. Everything the US has done so far had contributed to Snowden staying put in Moscow. So either a dilettante is directing this entire operation (whoever he or she may be) in the US, or it might not be that easy or convenient to seize him in Latin America after all.
-dr_andus (July 09, 2013, 12:41 PM)
--- End quote ---
It would be better for the U.S. gov't if he did go to Latin America. He can be taken care of a lot easier there than he could in Russia or China. In S. America you can have someone killed for $50 or less..... For $100 they can guarantee the body would never be found. Those Caimans are pretty hungry critters....
dr_andus:
Everything the US has done so far had contributed to Snowden staying put in Moscow. So either a dilettante is directing this entire operation (whoever he or she may be) in the US, or it might not be that easy or convenient to seize him in Latin America after all.
-dr_andus (July 09, 2013, 12:41 PM)
--- End quote ---
An alternative interpretation would be that US action so far has been deliberately clumsy, to make it look like they are after him (as a deterrent to other potential whistle-blowers), while deliberately increasing his chances of getting asylum somewhere, to make sure they don't need to deal with him on US soil. Then one day we'll be reading about it in Obama's memoirs, how he had secretly aided the escape of a true American hero...
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version