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Last post Author Topic: Sci-fi novel now available from DC member kyrathaba!  (Read 183845 times)

Perry Mowbray

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #400 on: July 05, 2013, 07:40:49 AM »
Perry, have you set it up on Gdocs, and added us with the appropriate permissions? If so, shoot me a link and I'll start taking a look...

From the email that GDocs sends out you need to use the 'Open in new window' link, not the 'Show preview' link (as that seems to just open in GMail.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #401 on: July 05, 2013, 08:16:06 AM »
It depends on the settings on the document.  When being added, you have to be given the ability to comment.  It works very well, and versions.

Actually the settings are to allow:
  • Editing
  • Comments
  • Viewing

Everyone has edit rights...

Everyone has *view* rights.  Everyone doesn't have edit rights.  I've seen it in practice (we use google at work) where I can comment, but not edit.  Or view and do nothing.  If you have edit rights, you have all the others... but the others are more granular.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #402 on: July 05, 2013, 08:34:25 AM »
Everyone has *view* rights.  Everyone doesn't have edit rights.  I've seen it in practice (we use google at work) where I can comment, but not edit.  Or view and do nothing.  If you have edit rights, you have all the others... but the others are more granular.

Found the problem - you can't do anything if you have Revision History open, which, AFAIAC, is just plain stupid.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #403 on: July 05, 2013, 08:41:09 AM »
Everyone has edit rights...

I get it now... you were saying that everyone had been set up with edit rights.  d'oh.  I thought you were saying no matter what, everyone had edit rights.  :-[

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #404 on: July 05, 2013, 10:34:03 AM »
Everyone has edit rights...

I get it now... you were saying that everyone had been set up with edit rights.  d'oh.  I thought you were saying no matter what, everyone had edit rights.  :-[

Yep... sorry, should have been more explicit.

BTW: Just had a great couple of hours with kyrathaba & 4wd all playing at the same time :Thmbsup:

Other proofreaders always welcome... just let us know :)

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #405 on: July 05, 2013, 10:51:50 AM »
Thanks to Perry and 4wd for the donation of their time, energy, and talent! I've incorporated our revisions into the manuscript. Perry's sending me a FANTASTIC cover image, which I'll add, and then we'll send him an epub and see his impression. It's gonna look awesome!

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #406 on: July 05, 2013, 11:11:19 AM »
Other proofreaders always welcome... just let us know

Unfortunately, I find that when I read while writing in the early stages, it tends to affect what I write... perhaps once I get mine going I will join in! :)

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #407 on: July 05, 2013, 08:02:20 PM »
^ Sounds good wraith. And if you don't get aboard this go round, you can help with Book II :)

Report to beta-/proof-readers:

More refinement by me after implementing revisions we jointly made using GoogleDocs this morning (my time, anyway: I think it was after midnight where Perry lives).

Perry and 4wd, I've PMed you the download link to a zip archive containing both an EPUB and a MOBI version of the manuscript, to date.

Ch. 20: 3,577 words
Ch. 21: 3,206 words
Ch. 22: 2,710 words

Front Matter: 263 words
Back Matter: 702 words
Main body of book:  60,865 words (novel is 76.1% completed)

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #408 on: July 06, 2013, 06:58:22 PM »
Guys, I worked on the Google Doc, Prologue and Chapter 1. Quite a bit of modding. Lots of comments.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #409 on: July 07, 2013, 09:00:18 AM »
Perry, 4wd and I have worked on Prologue this morning. I think I've got it like I want it. He's downloading it to his phone to scrutinize. It's ready for your scrutiny as well. If it passes muster, we'll consider it locked-in, and I won't tweak it anymore before publishing.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #410 on: July 07, 2013, 09:11:19 AM »
I won't write further chapters until we've gone through existing ones thoroughly.

I figure the workflow on Google Docs will continue in this vein:

(1) I change something and make a comment explaining why I think the change was needed (corrects error, more readable, provides clarity, etc.)
(2) You guys either "Resolve" the comment, or "Reply" with counter-suggestions.

We loop Steps (1) and (2) until we three agree the particular chapter under scrutiny meets muster.

At that point, we'll consider it locked-in, and I won't touch it again prior to publication, unless one of you happens to revisit it and sees something that was missed before.

In this way, we can progress through the existing manuscript, which is roughly 3/4 done, and get what's already been written firmly locked-in before I write the concluding chapters.

A nice side-effect will be knowing that we're all on the same page, and have all three combed each section of text thoroughly.

What do you think?
« Last Edit: July 07, 2013, 12:33:15 PM by kyrathaba »

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #411 on: July 07, 2013, 03:37:40 PM »
^ Regarding the above workflow, I've finished my edits for the Prologue and Chapter 1, and am ready for your comments or for you to "Resolve" my comments on our mutual Google Docs document.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2013, 05:55:09 PM by kyrathaba »

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #412 on: July 07, 2013, 08:00:32 PM »
I have resolved some comments, that I think are straightforward. You guys can always re-open and review those comments. Other comments I've left for you guys to click to "Resolve".

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #413 on: July 07, 2013, 08:30:47 PM »
Works for me, I see we're all in there atm :)

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #414 on: July 07, 2013, 08:57:02 PM »
I've kept the window open in my browser, though I've not been constantly at my computer. Right now, I'm satisfied with Prologue and Ch. 1 if you guys are. I'm reading Ch. 2 on my tablet and making tweaks. While you guys scour Prologue and Chapter 1 and vote whether we lock those in for publication, I'll be tweaking/reviewing Chs. 2 and 3.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #415 on: July 07, 2013, 10:26:46 PM »
I'm satisfied now with Chapter 2. You two let me know if Prologue through end of Ch. 2 passes scrutiny. If so, we'll lock them in until publication time.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #416 on: July 08, 2013, 10:24:02 AM »
Ok, 4wd: Perry and I are done with Prologue through end of Ch.2, so awaiting your sign-off, then I will declare them locked-in and won't fool with them anymore until final proofreading by other people in their preferred ebook format.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #417 on: July 08, 2013, 03:59:55 PM »
Samples downloaded

From DC hosting: 209
From Scribd: 39 reads, 50 followers
From Issuu: 7 reads, 351 impressions, 1 Like




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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #418 on: July 08, 2013, 05:56:52 PM »
So are you done at this point?  Or are you just summarizing?

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #419 on: July 08, 2013, 09:07:05 PM »
Ok, 4wd: Perry and I are done with Prologue through end of Ch.2, so awaiting your sign-off

Just a couple of comments I've made but other than that, good to go.

So are you done at this point?  Or are you just summarizing?

K's decided to temporarily stop new material and fine tooth what's been done up to Ch 22.  Going through a couple at a time, when they're done they aren't looked at again unless some future chapter anomaly back references them, (or spelling mistake is picked up in casual read).  When it's complete we'll reread start to finish, (along with mouser), just to make sure.

So above is a summary of progress so far.

Just hope it won't put him off his stride for Ch 23+ :)

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #420 on: July 08, 2013, 10:24:12 PM »
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So above is a summary of progress so far.

Yep, just a summary.

Meanwhile, I'm writing brief outlines for the finishing chapters. Makes them much easier to write.

I hope to be done with the writing and the biggest chunk of the correcting by this time next month. Mouser wants to read the entire book, once in it's "this is what I'm gonna upload to Smashwords" format. So he'll be our final set of eyes. Him, and maybe Wraith (although Wraith has his own writing irons in the fire, currently).

In that last read before upload, we'll of course be looking for your overall reaction/enjoyment level, and will also be looking for things that all three of us (me, Perry, 4wd) missed, in terms of typos, misplaced commas and apostrophes, misplaced or missing quotation marks. There won't be very many errors, believe me: Perry and 4wd are thorough. What I do hope is to catch whatever few rough edges we three might have missed, and I'm looking for review blurbs from those who've read the book (anyone willing to write one -- doesn't have to be long or syrupy; short and honest is fine, though naturally I'll not include a blurb that says "You paid money for this?", or "Unadulterated rubbish"). Those blurbs will go into the upload to Smashwords, before the Title Page. It'd be nice to have at least two or three blurbs by people who've read the book.

There's a lot of dialogue; relatively less exposition (though there of course is some). I view exposition like table salt. A little bit can enhance flavor; too much makes for something unpalatable. I believe in showing rather than telling. Show the reader via the character's words and actions. Much more dynamic and satisfying.
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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #421 on: July 09, 2013, 05:50:28 PM »
Guys, I've responded to comments on Chapter 3 in Google Docs. Awaiting responses. Would like to get this chapter done before I look at Ch. 4.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #422 on: July 11, 2013, 01:29:17 PM »
Prologue and Chapters 1 through 3 are locked-in for final beta-reading. Currently, we're trying to get Ch. 4 resolved and move on to Ch. 5.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #423 on: July 11, 2013, 06:54:04 PM »
I wish to express my ongoing gratitude to Perry Mowbray and 4wd for their work on Google Docs to give the text a critical reading. Many improvements have resulted, not to mention many mistakes fixed. Thanks to you both.

A separate thank you to Perry for the beautiful book cover. Amazing! Wish I had that kind of talent.

For those following our progress, we're trying to get all Chapter 4 comments resolved on Google Docs, so that I can then begin addressing observations made about Ch. 5 text.

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Re: Sci-fi novel due on Amazon and B&N in August or September
« Reply #424 on: July 11, 2013, 09:26:23 PM »
^He's a slave driver, I had the whole thing wrapped up in chapter 4 with the death of Sethra indirectly through the effects of an overactive vagus nerve.

@K: 4's clear, I've left a couple of things in 5.