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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2013, 09:45:38 AM »
Blogger's been sort of iffy on its feeds (serving things in batches sometimes, making it less than timely), so I wonder if that was the first step...

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2013, 10:27:32 PM »
Sorry guys, but I've got to agree with Dave Winer on this one. By Google killing its own RSS, suddenly there's new competition for that software space again, and one less space that Google won't control or censor: "People will be well-served by a newly revitalized market for RSS products, now that the dominant product, the 800-pound gorilla, is withdrawing."
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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2013, 12:53:53 AM »
Huh? How did Google control the news flow? I'm the one who put the feeds I wanted to follow into Google Reader.


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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2013, 02:04:24 AM »
Huh? How did Google control the news flow? I'm the one who put the feeds I wanted to follow into Google Reader.

You set up the the feeds, but they controlled what came into them.  They could put a filter on it, and other than by someone else telling you there was something else on the site, you wouldn't know.  Sort of like their search now.  Unless you go somewhere else and search, you don't know that there's something missing.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2013, 02:15:01 AM »
Huh? How did Google control the news flow? I'm the one who put the feeds I wanted to follow into Google Reader.

Winer's talking about what he believes Google wants to do (and why Google Reader and RSS may not fit into Google's plans), not that they were doing it with Reader.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2013, 02:15:45 AM »
I found a laughable article on ZDNet, about why are you using RSS in 2013.  The replacement?  Twitter.

Please.  Twitter is barely useful unless you're in the always connected always checking universe.  And with people checking in to everywhere they go and posting up so much noise that the signal is strangled, I don't see how anyone could confuse Twitter with news aggregation.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2013, 02:16:47 AM »
Huh? How did Google control the news flow? I'm the one who put the feeds I wanted to follow into Google Reader.

Winer's talking about what he believes Google wants to do (and why Google Reader and RSS may not fit into Google's plans), not that they were doing it with Reader.

No, he's talking about what they could possibly do with Reader.

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"Never used the damn thing. Didn't trust the idea of a big company like Google's interests being so aligned with mine that I could trust them to get all my news."

This is about Reader.

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How Google believes the internet *should not be read*
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2013, 05:04:30 AM »
Obviously we shouldn't trust the official reasons Google offered for killing Reader. The demise of Reader is a massive statement on how Google believes the internet should not be read: [1] as a private, unmediated experience (as opposed to a "social" reading experience, say facebook, twitter or Plus) and [2] with an open standard (RSS) serving as a direct link between reader and content producer.

I use Reader A LOT - more than any other Google product, but I'm kind of grateful for the wake up call. It reminds me that Google won't hesitate before cancelling any other service, even one that feels as "natural" as, say, blogger. Blogging is declining in usage as much as Reader, I guess.

Sorry guys, but I've got to agree with Dave Winer on this one. By Google killing its own RSS, suddenly there's new competition for that software space again, and one less space that Google won't control or censor.

This guy I mentioned before is even more on the spot, I'd say:

Google, destroyer of ecosystems
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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2013, 05:22:34 AM »

This guy I mentioned before is even more on the spot, I'd say:

Google, destroyer of ecosystems


Thanks for the link... nice article!  And what he describes in Google's MO is startlingly familiar.  Quite similar to what MS used to do.

Hmmm...

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2013, 05:26:37 AM »
A German "journalist" ("ZEIT" magazine) wrote that this is the end of RSS and it means that "news are now only available via Facebook which isn't open".

Oh the humanity.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2013, 06:16:10 AM »
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Google, destroyer of ecosystems.. And what he describes in Google's MO is startlingly familiar.  Quite similar to what MS used to do.

Agreed.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2013, 09:18:00 AM »
They said July 1, 2013. But since today there doesn't seem to be a menu entry for Reader in the google menu bar any more >:( (and it already was under More anyway)

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 09:21:28 AM »
Well, the Reader is still there.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 09:22:51 AM »
Yes, I know. But they could just have left the menu entry until July 1 as well.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2013, 09:23:27 AM »
Maybe they need the space for their upcoming new dead project.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2013, 09:24:58 AM »
Maybe they need the space for their upcoming new dead project.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2013, 09:30:36 AM »
Also, if you go to the even more, it's not listed in their products, either.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2013, 05:08:04 PM »
English will never be my first language, it doesn't meter how hard I try.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2013, 05:07:51 PM »
Maybe they need the space for their upcoming new dead project.
Har-de-har-har. Very droll.
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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2013, 05:08:59 PM »
No joke intended.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2013, 01:19:02 AM »
Google Reader is going down.
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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2013, 04:16:47 AM »
Interesting and relevant post here: An Apology To My RSS Readers – But I Had To Do It. (Updated)

It shows that what I suggested (in an earlier post somewhere) is true - i.e., that using Google Reader (or other feed aggregator) meant you could get an idea of a news/post item without going to the web page and without creating any ad-clicks (monetisation). So it is a potential commercial loss - unless you get the user to visit the page - though it is probably great from the user's perspective, of course.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2013, 07:16:12 AM »
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Google, destroyer of ecosystems.. And what he describes in Google's MO is startlingly familiar.  Quite similar to what MS used to do.

+1 !!

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2013, 07:29:10 AM »
Interesting and relevant post here: An Apology To My RSS Readers – But I Had To Do It. (Updated)

It shows that what I suggested (in an earlier post somewhere) is true - i.e., that using Google Reader (or other feed aggregator) meant you could get an idea of a news/post item without going to the web page and without creating any ad-clicks (monetisation). So it is a potential commercial loss - unless you get the user to visit the page - though it is probably great from the user's perspective, of course.

I find it interesting how so many (who do know better) keep trying to refer to RSS as "creaky" and "outdated" when what they're really trying to do is justify abandoning something quite useful and easy to implement which thousands have found good use for.

I'm glad to see the article brought up the issue of unauthorized content scraping however. That is a serious issue which will eventually put much of what's worth reading on the web out of business if it continues. At least as far as the smaller self-supporting content providers, who try to provide their readers with an experience that goes a basic blog, are concerned. And unfortunately, full text RSS feeds do make it very easy to scrape. There are even horror stories of scrapers filing DMCA takedown notices against the original content creators as a preemptive strike when confronted.

A real problem with no easy solution I'm afraid.

But implying that RSS is "outdated" or "ancient" or somehow in need of abandonment because it "doesn't work" (as some are saying) is more than a little disingenuous. If RSS isn't practical or 'working' any more, it's not for technical reasons. It's for commercial ones.

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Re: Google Reader gone
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2013, 07:36:12 AM »
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