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email client. Opera's M2 vs. the Bat

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allen:
The honest truth, is at the moment I use M2 more than The Bat! myself -- I still proclaim, without question, that TB is -the- most powerful mail client out there, but I've become rather enamoured with gmail's search rather than organization based approach -- which M2 was doing before Gmail :) There are a lot of benefits to both, the bottom line is chosing the client that fits your personal needs.

After having spent a few years away from it, and now playing with TB again -- the power is there, but it's starting to show its age.  Somewhere, I swear it was here but I can't find it, I made a post about the fact that I think organization based mail clients are on the out, replaced by M2/Gmail type search-based clients.  Organizing things is just too much work -- I wish I had a search button in my house.

Edit: Here it is!
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2411.msg21340#msg21340

Harrie:
What I like about Opera mail is the built-in mail notifier.  I am trying The Bat now (also tried it several years ago), and the mail ticker is nice, but I don't like to keep the mail app open.  I've used MailWasher and PopTray in the past.  Was just wondering what mail notifier anyone might recommend for use with The Bat? 

nontroppo:
I had a paid licence for the Bat, and was the biggest fan of it for a long time (helping beta testing). It was, and is, an excellent piece of software.

I would spend time crafting complex filters to organise my folders.

However, then I tried M2, and at first hated the disorder (compared to the baroque control of the bat). But then I "got" it, use access-points and let it do the hard work. Mailing lists automatically fell into place, discussions with people all ordered without me having to lift a finger. Not having to maintain folders and decide where content had to go. Read RSS and allow access points to aggregate information into dynamic tagged collections no matter what its source (i.e. whether it is a mailing list, forwarded mail or a feed doesn't matter if it is about the same topic). Being a tweaker and lover of CSS - the fact I can style my mail display is great.

Opera has a fully configurable UI, so I can tweak if I want to (build my own mail buttons etc, change key bindings and use mouse gestures to perform actions on mails).

M2 is not perfect, there are areas where more spit and polish wouldn't go a miss. IMAP is getting a big overhaul for Opera 9, and the storage format has changed to make it more robust.


urlwolf: did you try the accounts selector? right click in mail panel toolbar and "Customize" > Buttons > Mail and drag the account selector to your toolbar. That filters views to specific accounts. And when you switch the account - the compose button composes from the active account. I think this solves your issue?

urlwolf:
Fantastic tip, non-troppo. It goes a long way to solve the problem. However, I don't want to be distracted by notifications to all the acc. I have, so I found an alternative (better than switching off the notifications at all):

I use M2 as standalone (mugin) to check all the acc. that are not urgent, and leave my primary account active in my main copy of opera. That works for me. Ideally, one should be able to activate notifications independently for each account (posted that on the wish list)

Guys, opera is THE application to look at in terms of GUI. As non-troppo demostrated, anything is ultra-configurable. It is very keyboard friendly too.

Problem solved. I think M2 is the best client out there, even though it still has issues.

Thanks a lot, non-troppo.

allen:
Opera is definitely powerful/configurable -- The Bat!'s new keyboard shortcut configuration system seems to be stepping backwards in intuitive application while Opera's would be difficult to further streamline than it is.

My biggest complaints with M2, is it has a tendency to drag down Opera when downloading a bunch of messages to an already large mailbase and the lack of ability to create aliases/additional senders without resorting to adding additional mail accounts.

What amazes me most is the speed of MW's search, though -- blink and I'll miss it, with 50k+ messages.

My experience was similar to nontroppo's -- I used TB from basically the beginning; 97 or 98 beta testing all along but have strayed from it in recent years.  Great application, but to really take advantage of it you sort of need to be willing to marry it :)

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