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Author Topic: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce  (Read 2437 times)

Tinman57

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Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« on: November 26, 2012, 05:52:42 PM »
Flu deaths reality check.  Credibility of flu models disputed
By Kelly Crowe, Nov 25, 2012 5:14 PM ET
Do thousands of Canadians really die every year from the flu? The flu folks keep saying so. I've already heard it repeated several times this year and flu season has just started. This is what the Public Health Agency of Canada said in a recent press release: "Every year, between 2,000 and 8,000 Canadians die of the flu and its complications."

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...lu-deaths-crowe.html

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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 06:35:06 PM »
Funny timing. I just read a few shill articles here in Oz. Yep. The vaxers are out in full force, predicting the end of civilisation unless everyone gets a jab.

I was recently talking with a friend that was in town overnight here, and he stopped getting flu shots because every time he got one, he got sick. That seems to be a common thing.

Some recent research came out showing that the 2008 flu vaccine in Canada caused more sickness than it prevented.

Considering the massive conflict of interest that the pharmaceutical companies have, how can anyone completely ignore it as a consideration in these matters? It baffles me.

They have been fined billions of dollars for criminal fraud over the past few years. They're not health organisations - they are criminal enterprises. A list of their criminal activities would simply be too long to post.

So, I'll just post a few that don't even begin to scratch the surface of the problem.

http://www.reuters.c...dUSBRE8610S720120702

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GlaxoSmithKline settles healthcare fraud case for $3 billion

GlaxoSmithKline Plc agreed to plead guilty to misdemeanor criminal charges and pay $3 billion to settle what government officials on Monday described as the largest case of healthcare fraud in U.S. history.

The agreement, which still needs court approval, would resolve allegations that the British drugmaker broke U.S. laws in the marketing and development of pharmaceuticals.

GSK targeted the antidepressant Paxil to patients under age 18 when it was approved for adults only, and it pushed the drug Wellbutrin for uses it was not approved for, including weight loss and treatment of sexual dysfunction, according to an investigation led by the U.S. Justice Department.

http://www.buenosair...at-killed-14--babies

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GSK fined over vaccine trials; 14 babies reported dead

GlaxoSmithKline Argentina Laboratories Company was fined 400,000 pesos by Judge Marcelo Aguinsky following a report issued by the National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology (ANMAT in Spanish) for irregularities during lab vaccine trials conducted between 2007 and 2008 that allegedly killed 14 babies.

http://en.mercopress...s-from-poor-families

http://www.naturalnews.com/019189.html

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The United States claims to be the world leader in medicine. But there's a dark side to western medicine that few want to acknowledge: The horrifying medical experiments performed on impoverished people and their children all in the name of scientific progress. Many of these medical experiments were conducted on people without their knowledge, and most were conducted as part of an effort to seek profits from newly approved drugs or medical technologies.

Today, the medical experiments continue on the U.S. population and its children. From the mass drugging of children diagnosed with fictitious behavioral disorders invented by psychiatry to the FDA's approval of mass-marketed drugs that have undergone no legitimate clinical trials, our population is right now being subjected to medical experiments on a staggering scale. Today, nearly 50% of Americans are on a least one prescription drug, and nearly 20% of schoolchildren are on mind-altering amphetamines like Ritalin or antidepressants like Prozac. This mass medication of our nation is, in every way, a grand medical experiment taking place right now.

But to truly understand how this mass experimentation on modern Americans came into being, you have to take a close look at the horrifying history of conventional medicine's exploitation of people for cruel medical experiments.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=474 (1845 to 2007 - human experimentation)

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Think U.S. health authorities have never conducted outrageous medical experiments on children, women, minorities, homosexuals and inmates? Think again: This timeline, originally put together by Dani Veracity (a NewsTarget reporter), has been edited and updated with recent vaccination experimentation programs in Maryland and New Jersey. Here’s what’s really happening in the United States when it comes to exploiting the public for medical experimentation:

That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.

And yet, we're still supposed to trust governments that are in bed with these criminals? And if you question them, you're a kook?

Well, yeah. I'm a kook because I don't trust psychopaths that are dedicated to profit derived from human misery.

How can any research from these companies or from the industry at large be trusted? Wasn't it Merck that was fined for fraud for its MMR vaccine "research"? Didn't Merck try to "fix" the research several times, then have such problems trying to illustrate the safety and efficacy of their MMR vaccine that they gave up and instead just fabricated numbers?

And we're supposed to trust these people?

Seriously?

They're caught lying time and time again, and yet... you're a kook if you don't swallow every word that comes out of their mouths as gospel truth?

I've spoken at length to several doctors about some of these issues. Things that the doctors *should* be able to answer. How many answers have I received? Zero. None. They ALWAYS avoid the question. They NEVER answer any questions. I've had doctors bold-faced lie to my face about hard facts. They either were lying or they believed a lie - one of the two.

But, I'm being pretty ranty here. This is just one of those things that tends to set me off. I would really like to see some actual evidence-based science done in the mainstream.
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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 07:15:01 PM »
I would really like to see some actual evidence-based science done in the mainstream.

Methinks that's a windmill, Don Quixote.  While I share your feelings, I don't - can't! - see that happening, in what's left of my lifetime, in any medico-governmental association <sigh/>.

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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 07:53:51 PM »
I would really like to see some actual evidence-based science done in the mainstream.

Methinks that's a windmill, Don Quixote.  While I share your feelings, I don't - can't! - see that happening, in what's left of my lifetime, in any medico-governmental association <sigh/>.

Sigh... I hope you're wrong. I would really like to think that enough people are realizing the corruptness inherent in the system, and that enough people are speaking out about it. Hopefully, we will see an end to the medical tyranny being imposed on people.

There are some good sites out there that do speak out, and that have better information. Here are a few:

http://naturalsociety.com/

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/

http://www.naturalnews.com/

There are more out there as well. Natural News is probably one of the most outspoken and direct.

They regularly link to and report on all the stuff you never see in the MSM.
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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 08:00:43 PM »
Sigh... I hope you're wrong. I would really like to think that enough people are realizing the corruptness inherent in the system, and that enough people are speaking out about it. Hopefully, we will see an end to the medical tyranny being imposed on people.

I sincerely hope your wish comes true.  I'd love to be wrong on this.  But when it comes to governments or medicine, I've been trained into pessimism  :'(.

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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 08:49:50 PM »
  One thing I learned serving in the USAF, there are two flu shots, one for the military and one for the civilians (wives, kids, etc)  The reason?  The military gets the LIVE VIRUS.  The idea is to get everyone on base sick at once so the base hospital can deal with it in one big swoop.  This way there won't be members passing on the flu to others all throughout the year.
  Scary stuff.  Most every time I got the military flu shot, the first thing I noticed was the injection site would get really hot, like a fever, and swell up to a baseball circumference welt.  Then the whole arm would get cramped.  That night I would start getting a tickle in my throat.  By the next day I would have a fever, sniffles, cough and overall weakness.  Sometimes it would take weeks to recover fully, and going to the base hospital didn't do any good, they would tell you to drink lots of fluids and take aspirin.  When I was in tech school I wound up with walking pneumonia a week after getting the flu shot and was hospitalized for 3 days.
  The really bad thing about it all is you CANNOT refuse a flu shot, under threat of Article 15 or court martial. 

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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 09:27:23 PM »
Yeah.  My medical mistrust started in the military, back in the sixties <groan />.

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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 09:40:52 PM »
It seems we're lucky that the following sort of situation is not extremely common (yet?):

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith%27s_experiment


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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 09:53:23 PM »
It seems we're lucky that the following sort of situation is not extremely common (yet?):

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith%27s_experiment

Interestingly enough, "transformation" happens with organisms engineered to produce the BT toxin (GMOs), and they infect the flora in your stomach, cause YOU to produce the BT toxin thereafter. So, after eating Monsatan's corn, you are effectively slowly killing yourself.
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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 07:04:20 AM »
It seems we're lucky that the following sort of situation is not extremely common (yet?):

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith%27s_experiment

do you mean along the lines of -
a vaccination (non-virulent) coming in contact with a mild virus producing a killer flu?
that would be hard ...

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Interestingly enough, "transformation" happens with organisms engineered to produce the BT toxin (GMOs), and they infect the flora in your stomach, cause YOU to produce the BT toxin thereafter. So, after eating Monsatan's corn, you are effectively slowly killing yourself.

do you have any more info or reference for that?
(not hassling you for links :p just curious)
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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 07:44:33 AM »
Interestingly enough, "transformation" happens with organisms engineered to produce the BT toxin (GMOs), and they infect the flora in your stomach, cause YOU to produce the BT toxin thereafter. So, after eating Monsatan's corn, you are effectively slowly killing yourself.

do you have any more info or reference for that?
(not hassling you for links :p just curious)

Well, I'm quite happy to oblige! If for no other reason than to illustrate that I'm not completely nuts and paranoid~! ;D

...a while later...

Hm. Trying to find the right reference, was, not all so easy... Had to wade through quite a bit, but found 1 (after skimming it, missing it, then re-reading later)! :D I'm sure you can find more out there.

http://www.nationofc...-monsanto-1338362046

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These shocking results raise the frightening possibility that eating Bt corn might actually turn your intestinal flora into a sort of "living pesticide factory"… essentially manufacturing Bt-toxin from within your digestive system on a continuing basis.

If this hypothesis is correct, is it then also possible that the Bt-toxin might damage the integrity of your digestive tract in the same way it damages insects? Remember, the toxin actually ruptures the stomach of insects, causing them to die. The biotech industry has insisted that the Bt-toxin doesn't bind or interact with the intestinal walls of mammals (which would include humans). But again, there are peer-reviewed published research showing that Bt-toxin does bind with mouse small intestines and with intestinal tissue from rhesus monkeys.


Bt-Toxin Linked to Allergies, Auto-Immune Disease, and More

If Bt genes are indeed capable of colonizing the bacteria living in the human digestive tract, scientists believe it could reasonably result in:

  • Gastrointestinal problems
  • Autoimmune diseases
  • Food allergies
  • Childhood learning disorders

And lo and behold, all of these health problems are indeed on the rise… The discovery of Bt-toxin in human blood is not proof positive of this link, but it certainly raises a warning flag. And there's plenty of other evidence showing that the Bt-toxin produced in GM corn and cotton plants is toxic to humans and mammals and triggers immune system responses. For example, in government-sponsored research in Italy , mice fed Monsanto's Bt corn showed a wide range of immune responses, such as:

Elevated IgE and IgG antibodies, which are typically associated with allergies and infections
An increase in cytokines, which are associated with allergic and inflammatory responses. The specific cytokines (interleukins) that were found to be elevated are also higher in humans who suffer from a wide range of disorders, from arthritis and inflammatory bowel disease, to MS and cancer
Elevated T cells (gamma delta), which are increased in people with asthma, and in children with food allergies, juvenile arthritis, and connective tissue diseases.
Rats fed another of Monsanto's Bt corn varieties called MON 863, also experienced an activation of their immune systems, showing higher numbers of basophils, lymphocytes, and white blood cells. These can indicate possible allergies, infections, toxins, and various disease states including cancer. There were also signs of liver- and kidney toxicity.

...

There are more about the BT toxin and just how bad it is. It's a non-stop horror story, and once you think it can't really get any worse, it does. Much worse. Hell... Even Rob Zombie would have a hard time coming up with anything sicker and more demented.

http://www.digitaljo...l.com/article/326208

http://www.naturalne...fied_food_detox.html

http://www.naturalne...nsecticide_GMOs.html

http://www.responsib...gy.org/posts/?p=1412

http://www.responsib...-health-risks/1notes

http://www.organicco...es/article_15588.cfm

http://articles.merc...erview-april-24.aspx

http://naturalsociet...ally-modified-foods/

http://articles.merc...-from-gmo-foods.aspx

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When the results of the study emerged, the funding from the pro-GMO UK government mysteriously dried up, so they were not able to see if the same type of gene transfer happens with Bt genes from, say, corn chips. If it does, it means that eating Bt corn might turn our intestinal flora into living pesticide factories—continually manufacturing Bt-toxin from within our digestive systems.

I don't know of a test that can confirm that this is happening, but the Canada study may be showing the results—where Bt-toxins are found in the blood of a very high percentage of people.

That was an older article there, but shows that the suspicions have been around a while.
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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2012, 08:16:39 AM »
Hm. Trying to find the right reference, was, not all so easy... Had to wade through quite a bit,

thanks Ren - I didnt mean to make you work so hard !
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Re: Oh Canada, your flu deaths are a farce
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2012, 07:47:03 PM »
It seems we're lucky that the following sort of situation is not extremely common (yet?):

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith%27s_experiment

do you mean along the lines of -
a vaccination (non-virulent) coming in contact with a mild virus producing a killer flu?
that would be hard ...

What I was referring to was:

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In this experiment, bacteria from the III-S strain were killed by heat, and their remains were added to II-R strain bacteria. While neither alone harmed the mice, the combination was able to kill its host.