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Stoic Joker:
Coke! Banned in Bolivia![/b]
Can you imagine the illegal Coke trade?
-Renegade (August 09, 2012, 09:45 AM)
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(Bolivia...as in Bolivian Marching Powder Bolivia?)
Don't you mean the bidirectional Coke trade? They'll be swapping 8balls for a 12-pack (and shit-can both economies) by the time it's over.
mahesh2k:
Kangaroo? :huh: You guys actually eat that cutie jumpy animal?
Y U NO Eat house lizards on my wall. :mad:
app103:
Fresh, raw milk has a far higher nutritional content, but is illegal in many places. (I wonder why that is...?)
-Renegade (July 17, 2012, 09:26 PM)
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Because Brucella, Campylobacter, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis (a cause of tuberculosis), Salmonella, E. coli, Giardia, Shigella, Streptococcus pyogenes, Yersinia enterocolitica, and norovirus are not nice things to end up infected with and steps should be taken to keep them out of our food supply. One way of doing this is the pasteurization of milk.
In the US, from 1998 through 2009, 1,837 people became sick from drinking raw milk, 195 became sick enough to require hospitalization, and 2 died. And that's just the cases that were recognized and reported to the CDC as being caused by raw milk consumption. There were probably many more cases that went unreported.
And raw milk does not have a "far higher" nutritional content. If you need the amount of additional nutrition provided by raw milk, just taking an extra sip of the pasteurized stuff should more than supply it. And if you want that "beneficial bacteria" then just eat a probiotic yogurt made from pasteurized milk...all the beneficial stuff without any of the harmful bacteria, viruses, or parasites.
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html#rawmilk
And historically speaking, Diphtheria was also something that could be acquired by drinking raw milk. And with the number of irresponsible parents that are shunning vaccination out of fear of autism, we could see a return of that disease if unvaccinated children start drinking raw milk.
barney:
Additionally, we lose our ability to process milk at a very early age. Our bodies simply do not process it, but pass it through. Adults get no benefit whatsoever from milk, raw or pasteurized. Calcium? Vitamin D? Not from milk. It has both, but our bodies cannot extract it. Folk who are lactose intolerant simply have a greater reaction to it, are more sensitive to it than most, but we all are lactose intolerant insofar as our bodies using milk is concerned. Just a very little research can validate this if you disbelieve :P. (Had to research this some time back - library stuff, pre-Web - because of remote family problems.)
Renegade:
In the US, from 1998 through 2009, 1,837 people became sick from drinking raw milk, 195 became sick enough to require hospitalization, and 2 died.
-app103 (August 09, 2012, 02:26 PM)
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Hehehehe~! We're in for some fun... ;D
1600 reported cases of Salmonella Enteritidis infections were associated with contaminated shell eggs in 136 days or 0.37 years. Compared to 11 years for the milk example above, that extrapolates (linearly) to 47,235. Outlaw eggs now? (Source: http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/types/eggs/index.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_poisoning#United_States_2
Each year in the U.S. 31 major food borne pathogens cause 9.4 million cases of food borne illness, 55,961 hospitalizations, and 2612 deaths.
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For 11 years, that's 615,571 hospitalizations and 31,344 deaths. Raw milk then accounts for 0.006% there.
30 deaths from eating cantaloupe in 3 months in 2011 in Colorado. Linear extrapolation: 669 times more than raw milk. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foodborne_illness_outbreaks_in_the_United_States)
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/5/5/99-0502_article.htm
In the United States, foodborne diseases have been estimated to cause 6 million to 81 million illnesses and up to 9,000 deaths each year.
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Extrapolating for 11 years, raw milk is responsible for 0.002% of that.
Above yielded 0.006%, and now 0.002%. Close - in the same order of magnitude at least.
http://www.australianfoodsafety.com.au/blog/food-poisoning-statistics/
In the United States, 1 in 3 or 76 million people contract food poisoning annually. That’s 1,461,538 cases per week, 208,219 per day, 8,675 per hour, 144 per minute, 2 per second.
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1,837 cases for raw milk is about 167 per year. That's 0.0002% of cases. i.e. For 1 incident of raw milk sickness (not hospitalization or death), there are over 455,000 incidents from other foods.
Some other deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_foodborne_illness_incidents
Which include sprouts, cold cuts, peanuts, spinach, meat, green onions, etc. etc.
http://www.cpsc.gov/library/playgrnd.pdf
From January 1990 through August 2000, CPSC received reports of 147 deaths to children younger than age 15 that involved playground equipment.
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Playground deaths are then about 14.7 per year, compared to raw milk at < 0.2 per year.
http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2007/11/killed_by_the_cops.html
About 9,500 people nationally were killed by police during the years 1980 to 2005–an average of nearly one fatal shooting per day.
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At about 1 per day, that's a lot more than 1 every 2,000 or so days. You're more likely to be killed by a cop than raw milk.
Automotive deaths in US from 1999 to 2009 for a direct year-range comparison: 494,056. i.e You are about 250,000 times more likely to die in/from a car. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year)
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/e/electrocution/stats.htm
0.63 per million people died from electrocutions in the US 2001 (US Consumer Product Safety)
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I'll compare those on 2 lines so that it's a bit easier to see - electrocutions first, then raw milk:
0.63
0.00000000058
That's 9 orders of magnitude. 9. Nine. Orders of magnitude. Wow. Thomas Edison was right! We should make electricity illegal right now~! :P Damn that Nicola Tesla for tricking us all~! :D
I can play this game forever~! :D :P
The case against raw milk is so utterly flimsy and entirely politically based, as to be so far beyond laughable that it's simply stunning.
Your risk of getting sick from raw milk is so infinitesimally small as to be of no significant consequence.
Outlawing raw milk and raiding farmers with goon-squads equiped with fully automatic weapons... Over the top. This is food fascism. The people that need to be arrested are those that trample on other people's freedoms.
The state has ZERO business in telling people what they can and cannot eat. None.
If I want to eat dog, then that's up to me. Not the state. Same for milk.
I could go on and address a lot of other things you mentioned, but have to get going. (I'd love to jump on the nutrition and vaccine thing, but... time... :( )
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