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Author Topic: Proposals for the UN ITU to govern/control the Internet being considered by US  (Read 2132 times)
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« on: June 08, 2012, 06:55:50 AM »

Since this is probably a subject likely to be of general interest, I have put a couple of info. links below.

House to examine plan for United Nations to regulate the Internet
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House to examine plan for United Nations to regulate the Internet
House lawmakers will consider an international proposal next week to give the United Nations more control over the Internet.
The proposal is backed by China, Russia, Brazil, India and other UN members, and would give the UN’s International Telecommunication Union (ITU) more control over the governance of the Internet.
It’s an unpopular idea with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle in Congress, and officials with the Obama administration have also criticized it.
“We're quite concerned,” Larry Strickling, the head of the Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration, said in an interview with The Hill earlier this year.
He said the measure would expose the Internet to “top-down regulation where it's really the governments that are at the table, but the rest of the stakeholders aren't.”
At a hearing earlier this month, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) also criticized the proposal. He said China and Russia are "not exactly bastions of Internet freedom."

There is an interesting TechDirt post 2012-06-07 about this: (copied in the spoiler below, minus any indirect http links, so refer to the link for full context):
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 07:07:31 AM »

This is probably a follow on to ACTA, SOPA etc., and the DCF blackout earlier this year in joint protest with other websites, regarding such measures (see separate discussion threads in the DC Forum on these).
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I have been watching this issue with interest since I first read about the ITU proposal.
One of the blogs I subscribe to is http://lauren.vortex.com/, where there is a good post about it: Saving the Internet, Ourselves, and the Future
It is copied in the spoiler below, without any embedded links:
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 07:44:23 AM »

Here is a possible set of reasons (including anti-Trust) why it could be a good idea for (say) the UN ITN to govern/control the Internet:
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WSJ (pay-walled): Google's Monopoly and Internet Freedom
2012-06-07
BY JEFFREY KATZ

It's a position all business leaders would love to find themselves in—a massive IPO, dominance in the marketplace, and a blank slate from policy makers to do practically anything they please.
Google has enjoyed this unrivaled position for nearly a decade. It is the most popular search engine in the world, controlling nearly 82% of the global search market and 98% of the mobile search market. Its annual revenue is larger than the economies of the world's 28 poorest countries combined. And its closest competitor, Bing, is so far behind in both market share and revenue that Google has become, ...
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 08:34:14 AM »

Then you get this idea:

U.N. could tax U.S.-based Web sites, leaked docs show

Global Internet tax suggested by European network operators, who want Apple, Google, and other Web companies to pay to deliver content, is proposed for debate at a U.N. agency in December.

http://news.cnet.com/8301...b-sites-leaked-docs-show/

Am I the only one seeing the bear trap setup? "Put it all in the cloud!" "Let's tax data!"

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 09:28:55 AM »

U.N. could tax U.S.-based Web sites, leaked docs show
Global Internet tax suggested by European network operators, who want Apple, Google, and other Web companies to pay to deliver content, is proposed for debate at a U.N. agency in December.
http://news.cnet.com/8301...b-sites-leaked-docs-show/
Am I the only one seeing the bear trap setup? "Put it all in the cloud!" "Let's tax data!"
No, I suspect that you would be far from alone in seeing this bear-trap.
The UN have already set a huge precedent for a strategy of taxing the wealthy economies to fund a socialist objective of wealth re-distribution and their dream of Global Government - via the UN IPCC, and its push for carbon-credit trading, a new Global Bank, etc. (see separate thread on Re: Thermageddon? Postponed!

But I don't think the cockeyed US approach to what seem to be State-subsidised or State-licenced/protected monopolies (or is it just corruption?) - e.g., including Google, Monsanto, RIAA/MAFIAA - is anything to be proud of. It could actually weaken the US case for leaving the status quo alone.
The responsibility is arguably not "all in good hands".
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 09:43:10 AM »

Then you get this idea:

U.N. could tax U.S.-based Web sites, leaked docs show

Global Internet tax suggested by European network operators, who want Apple, Google, and other Web companies to pay to deliver content, is proposed for debate at a U.N. agency in December.

http://news.cnet.com/8301...b-sites-leaked-docs-show/

Am I the only one seeing the bear trap setup? "Put it all in the cloud!" "Let's tax data!"

Taxing communications is pure, unmitigated, evil.

I would love to post what I think, but it's simply too violent. Go watch a Rob Zombie film, then turn it up a few orders of magnitude.  mad

Letting the Internet fall under the control of any 1 organization is utter insanity.

Letting it fall into the clutches of Satanically evil criminals like the UN/ITU is worse.

Taxing it? Way, way, way off the charts.  mad

Like seriously? WTF are these criminals thinking?
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 09:59:45 AM »


Here's a funny angle: Will they go after spammers for tax evasion?
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2012, 10:03:20 AM »

Here's a funny angle: Will they go after spammers for tax evasion?

Prolly...  undecided
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2012, 10:05:10 AM »

Taxing communications is pure, unmitigated, evil.
Taxing it? Way, way, way off the charts.  mad

Like seriously? WTF are these criminals thinking?

We have a fun little game going Renegade. You have all these great adjectives. Then they do even worse things. So what's worse than pure, unmitigated evil?
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2012, 10:16:55 AM »

Taxing communications is pure, unmitigated, evil.
Taxing it? Way, way, way off the charts.  mad

Like seriously? WTF are these criminals thinking?

We have a fun little game going Renegade. You have all these great adjectives. Then they do even worse things. So what's worse than pure, unmitigated evil?

Hahahahah~! Grin

Not sure.

The entire problem really revolves around these ****s raising evil to infinity, then somehow managing to go to infinity +1, then x2, then ^2, then... I just can't keep track of all these infinities anymore~! tongue

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2012, 07:04:32 AM »

So what's worse than pure, unmitigated evil?

The blind unmitigated desire to bring about "good" by any means necessary. (i.e. jihad, crusade, true faith, eugenics, ethnic 'cleansing', special military tribunals, college admissions exams, etc.)
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2012, 07:06:22 AM »

So what's worse than pure, unmitigated evil?

The blind unmitigated desire to bring about "good" by any means necessary. (i.e. jihad, crusade, true faith, eugenics, ethnic 'cleansing', special military tribunals, college admissions exams, etc.)
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There is nothing worse than "well meaning" people in the machine. Sad
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2012, 07:18:30 AM »

BTW, I don't see the US ceding anything to the UN without the US still remaining firmly in control once it got there.


The responsibility is arguably not "all in good hands".


Excellent point. But considering the dismal record of the UN in handling any crisis, large or small, within the last two decades, I don't really see where having them handle it will be any improvement.

Ditto for the EU with the way it's been behaving lately. Especially considering how many European nations are adopting legislation proposed by the US - but which the US government has been relatively unsuccessful getting adopted domestically. Funny isn't it how the US isn't currently blocking Pirate Bay on the ISP/search level? Or getting away with adopting laws like France and a few other places have regarding IP protection.

I personally think ALL of our current political frameworks are inadequate to the task at hand.

Too bad half the politicos that agree with me have decided some form of fascism is the answer.

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2012, 09:26:01 AM »

...BTW, I don't see the US ceding anything to the UN without the US still remaining firmly in control once it got there...
Yes, I would have thought that also, but not after reading this:LOST is Centralized Control of the World by the UN
I would have thought the LOST (Law of the Sea Treaty) was wanted by the US like a hole in the head, but apparently not so - according to other news reports on this.
Puzzling.
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