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« on: May 23, 2012, 04:05:55 PM »

hello!

I want to create an outline like this:

is there a program or a way to easily create a program that can do this?

in a file that can be transfered to another pc and be viewed/edited there without the need to install anything, would be perfect!

thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2012, 04:26:40 PM »

Do you mean like a "normal" outliner like this:



When you say "in a file that can be transfered to another pc and be viewed/edited there without the need to install anything" do you mean the database should include "File1" etc ?

I know InfoQube is portable - I'm not sure whether it stores files in a folder associated with the database, or if it just links to them wherever they are on the drive.
It's a commercial product but is in beta and probably will be for a while still. Has some quirks, some people seem to cope, some not Wink - the forum is very helpful.



(I attached a PDF file to the selected item - shows in the "HTML Pane" where you could also add: notes AND/OR web content OR files)
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 04:29:46 PM »

yes, I mean that screenshot you posted
I will check InfoQube out, thanks!
Has some quirks, some people seem to cope, some not Wink
since you gave me a good start, I will move forward, a good way of which is to search for "than infoqube"
this search method ocassionally returns diamonds
any other searching method you may use ? (a bit out of topic, I know  embarassed)
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 04:33:05 PM »

yes, I mean that screenshot you posted
I will check InfoQube out, thanks!

Forum is here. I'm Tom there -
I tend to help the beginners as I'm not a power user ;-)
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 05:06:24 PM »

>> When you say "in a file that can be transfered to another pc and be viewed/edited there without the need to install anything" do you mean the database should include "File1" etc ?

exactly
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 05:17:57 PM »

do you think an advanced xml creator/editor/viewer would be more powerful, handy, efficient, etc?
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 05:50:55 PM »

>> When you say "in a file that can be transfered to another pc and be viewed/edited there without the need to install anything" do you mean the database should include "File1" etc ?

exactly

IQ uses a database file and an associated folder (within the [portable] app folder) for the HTML/MHT content (notes/saved web pages). It looks like files are not automatically stored in the database or associated folder - you could manually copy the file to the relveant folder and then link to the database. You *can* make notes/saved-web-content be part of the database, but not files.

You may well find a better solution for that - I'm not familiar with other outliners. Ultrarecall used to be popular - not sure if it's fully alive (?) I'm sure there's other options out there.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 06:09:09 PM »

I want to create an outline like this:

For these types of things, I like to use Blumind.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2012, 06:37:24 PM »

ability to view/edit doc/pdf/xls/txt/jpg/etc inside the program (in a pane)
ability to flageach entry in the tree, via tickbox, coloring, etc
ability to save inserted files

are all must
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 08:23:08 PM »

ability to view/edit doc/pdf/xls/txt/jpg/etc inside the program (in a pane)
ability to flageach entry in the tree, via tickbox, coloring, etc
ability to save inserted files

are all must

view/edit *all* those filetypes "inside" the programme - I doubt that exists.
I'd be surprised (but interested) if you find anything that can even edit all those filetypes via an external editor... IQ will edit office files -via MS Office- if you have it installed. Note: currently some people are having a problem with displaying office filetypes in IQ due to a problem with IE (the current viewer engine), and MS deciding we cannot really mess around with filtype associations in Vista/Windows7.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 09:55:40 PM »

FYI http://www.bitsdujour.com...are/allmynotes-organizer/
I've not used the app, but it looks promising...  I expect it will be offered in the next day or two.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 01:36:25 AM »

ability to view/edit doc/pdf/xls/txt/jpg/etc inside the program (in a pane)
ability to flageach entry in the tree, via tickbox, coloring, etc
ability to save inserted files

are all must

view/edit *all* those filetypes "inside" the programme - I doubt that exists.

but programs like Universal Viewer can open all that kind of files inside a pane
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 04:18:10 AM »

ability to view/edit doc/pdf/xls/txt/jpg/etc inside the program (in a pane)
ability to flageach entry in the tree, via tickbox, coloring, etc
ability to save inserted files

are all must

view/edit *all* those filetypes "inside" the programme - I doubt that exists.

but programs like Universal Viewer can open all that kind of files inside a pane

and edit?
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2012, 04:49:27 AM »

ability to view/edit doc/pdf/xls/txt/jpg/etc inside the program (in a pane)
ability to flageach entry in the tree, via tickbox, coloring, etc
ability to save inserted files

are all must

view/edit *all* those filetypes "inside" the programme - I doubt that exists.

but programs like Universal Viewer can open all that kind of files inside a pane

and edit?

okay, I can accept lack of ability to edit :/

but I need to view the files in pane
and to mark the nodes (treeview entries) with a status (completed, filled, empty, etc)
 
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 05:11:16 AM »

but I need to view the files in pane
and to mark the nodes (treeview entries) with a status (completed, filled, empty, etc)

I would have thought that there's a lot of outliners there that can do that. Have you done a search on dc for pims/outliners?

InfoQube is incredibly flexible (which can make it challenging to learn). It's easy to try out as it's portable -but-
  • it might be a lot more than what you actually need
  • *some* people are having problems with the viewer at the moment (FWIW I'm having the same problems with XYplorer which also uses IE in it's viewer pane)
  • it is in beta

these might interest you:
What are some one-of-a-kind outlining tools? (Quora, includes a very good description of InfoQube)
web outliners (free)
but
what you're loking for is not rocket science, so what you need is not really a "one of a kind" undecided
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 05:43:28 AM »

you are right, but there is a problem with inserting files

most of outliners have an RTF editor, which is good ofcourse, but they allow me to insert pdf files only as in MS Word:

which results in a box, where either nothing of the pdf is shown, or at best, the first page of the pdf is shown
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2012, 09:04:06 AM »

Looking for a freeware portable PIM with advanced features
http://www.techsupportale...th-advanced-features.html
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 02:44:34 PM »

I still cant find a solution

there are various programs that display inserted files in a view pane, but they lack a treeview organizer/outliner and vice versa

I wonder if there is a way that I can easily and fast, create a program with those two features (and possibly others)

maybe create an xml file that can do all these, inside a web browser?
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 04:50:17 PM »

I still cant find a solution

there are various programs that display inserted files in a view pane, but they lack a treeview organizer/outliner and vice versa

what apps have you tried?
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 04:53:09 PM »

All the above mentioned, plus all outliners and PIMs listed in wikipedia
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2012, 05:01:28 PM »

You've been busy!

It seems with InfoQube that office files are only displayed if you have MS Office installed. (It currently uses IE for the viewer - which seems to require Office.)
So it will only fulfill your requirements if you have Office...
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2012, 10:53:50 PM »

What about pdf?
I work very often with pdf
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2012, 02:46:38 AM »

What about pdf?
I work very often with pdf

I thought you said you tried it tellme
PDF no problem here
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2012, 08:34:46 AM »

What about pdf?
I work very often with pdf

I thought you said you tried it tellme
PDF no problem here

you are right
but it's unacceptably slow to load :/
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2012, 01:30:17 PM »

I still havent find a software that can do what I want:

- organize treeview entries, where treeview entry can be a text, pdf, doc, jpg, xls, etc
- open the files inside the program, in a view pane
- be able to edit the files inside the program
- be able to add notes
- save all the above files and treeview data into a single file

I recently figured out that reference management software may have similar structure, but I didnt find any (the internal viewer part is the hardest)

any hint?
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