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Author Topic: New weapons in the file sharing war.  (Read 3791 times)
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« on: February 09, 2012, 08:51:54 AM »

Well...maybe not technically "new." But 'new' to most people.

May I present for your edification (courtesy of TorrentFreak )- Tribler.  tellme


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Tribler Makes BitTorrent Impossible to Shut Down
Ernesto February 8, 2012

While the file-sharing ecosystem is currently filled with uncertainty and doubt, researchers at Delft University of Technology continue to work on their decentralized BitTorrent network. Their Tribler client doesn’t require torrent sites to find or download content, as it is based on pure peer-to-peer communication. “The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down,” the lead researcher says.

Of course there's nothing to stop governments from shutting down the Internet and replacing it with something like the old AOL except on steroids. It would be inefficient. And not very cost effective. But it would give them a large amount of control back. All the major (i.e. ACTA signatories) could link up using it; and maybe provide a tightly controlled and monitored gateway out to the old Internet in order to keep up appearances. Which could work since the government is really only interested in protecting its own economic and social interests online. Once Google, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, commerce sites, and banking moves over to the NeoNet most of the general public will too. Especially if it becomes the only thing they're legally allowed to get access to.

That would be what I call the Escape from New York (after the movie) scenario.

In that movie, the government gave up on dealing with crime or terror. They just established a reservation for all the troublemakers, blew up the access roads into it, then tossed the inmates in it to do whatever they wanted and survive as best they could.

In the movie, they sacrificed Manhattan island to be the super-prison.

In the digital age they might do that with the Internet. Which in turn would lose a lot of its power without huge corporate and government financed backbones to run on. Not that it would be more than a big administrative headache for the network admins. The routers and other hardware are already virtualized up to the hilt. They'd just need to be reprogrammed. And maybe reflashed to handle a new protocol or two. All very doable.  

Hmm...maybe there might eventually come a time when the 'powers that be' could decide the only way to fix the Internet is to replace it?
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 09:15:35 AM »

Nice!

I don't really check into P2P stuff much, so it's new to me too!

And, it looks like a wonderful strategic nuke on the censors!

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 09:19:11 AM »

The only thing I could imagine them adding is some sort of decentralized 'index' of available torrents, which would remove the necessity for all the torrent listing sites. I bet that is what they did, in fact, as it is the only thing that could be changed, with that claim made.

If so, now, instead of going after sites, they will go after participants.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 09:20:42 AM »

@Ren- see my caveat that I was still typing in on my wonderful iPhone when you replied. (Must have hit the post button instead of preview at one point by mistake.) Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 09:21:32 AM »

Edited my post too, as the problem here is that if torrent 'listing' sites are removed, then they can only go after the users -- and you can bet they will, as they have before. Once you are on the torrent network, you aren't anonymous (unless you were to take great pains to route your connection through intermediaries), so anyone else on the network can know your IP, and know you as a participant.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 09:21:52 AM »

Eventually we will get back to sharing via snail mail. Someone has the download you want? he will burn a copy and mail it to you  Wink or better yet a whole new USB key 'protocol'   tongue
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 09:23:30 AM »

Ah! I see db90h is already thinking like I'm thinking! Cool Thmbsup

Wonder if our backgrounds are similar?  smiley

@db90h - Child of the 60/70s by any chance? Wink
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 09:25:34 AM »

I think at 39.9hz ;p. Just kidding, I'm in my mid-thirties. Dunno if that makes me a child of the 70s, as I was too young really ohmy
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 09:33:48 AM »

Eventually we will get back to sharing via snail mail. Someone has the download you want? he will burn a copy and mail it to you  Wink or better yet a whole new USB key 'protocol'   tongue

Or via old-style BBS technology using SSH/SFTP. And which is already happening BTW.  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 09:38:06 AM »

I think at 39.9hz ;p. Just kidding, I'm in my mid-thirties. Dunno if that makes me a child of the 70s, as I was too young really ohmy

Perhaps only "too young" in years. You have a capacity for insight into 'power politics' that Noam Chomsky would find admirable.

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 09:40:50 AM »

40Hz's recollection of the movie:

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That would be what I call the Escape from New York (after the movie) scenario.

In that movie, the government gave up on dealing with crime or terror. They just established a reservation for all the troublemakers, blew up the access roads into it, then tossed the inmates in it to do whatever they wanted and survive as best they could.

In the movie, they sacrificed Manhattan island to be the super-prison

vs.

My recollection of the movie:
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Differing brain-powers, I guess.  tongue

There's some interesting comments reg. Tribler on Reddit.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 09:47:54 AM »

@nosh-FWIW, my GF's recollection is much the same. Every time we watch that flick her eyes are glued on Snake Pliskin. Anytime he's offscreen she goes back to reading her book.

Usually sometime before the picture's over she says something like "Remember when you were playing bass in that band and used to wear skinny jeans and look like that?

I have no idea what she means. I've always been clean shaven. And I never once wore an eyepatch.  Grin

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 09:51:24 AM »

 Grin

You should try one sometime.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 09:55:48 AM »

Hmm...  Can't shut it down....  Methinks this is more reminiscent of another movie...
Skynet?
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 09:56:49 AM »

@nosh- I'll...uh...take that under advisement. Thanks for suggesting it! tongue
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 09:57:45 AM »

I think at 39.9hz ;p. Just kidding, I'm in my mid-thirties. Dunno if that makes me a child of the 70s, as I was too young really ohmy

Perhaps only "too young" in years. You have a capacity for insight into 'power politics' that Noam Chomsky would find admirable.

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Well, thanks, I think smiley. ... though maybe a bit scary that I've become so cynical so fast ;p.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2012, 10:07:08 AM »

I think at 39.9hz ;p. Just kidding, I'm in my mid-thirties. Dunno if that makes me a child of the 70s, as I was too young really ohmy

Perhaps only "too young" in years. You have a capacity for insight into 'power politics' that Noam Chomsky would find admirable.

 Grin


Well, thanks, I think smiley. ... though maybe a bit scary that I've become so cynical so fast ;p.

To my way of thinking, a cynic is someone who sees how bad things truly are and can see no alternative to it. A realist is someone who sees how bad things truly are and can see an alternative to it.

It's a subtle distinction.

I think we're both realists.  smiley
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2012, 11:00:18 AM »

@nosh-FWIW, my GF's recollection is much the same. Every time we watch that flick her eyes are glued on Snake Pliskin. Anytime he's offscreen she goes back to reading her book.

It's Snake Plissken. Love the movie... will try to put my hands on a (legal) copy and watch it again. Thanks for mentioning it  Kiss
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2012, 12:12:31 PM »

I think at 39.9hz ;p. Just kidding, I'm in my mid-thirties. Dunno if that makes me a child of the 70s, as I was too young really ohmy

Perhaps only "too young" in years. You have a capacity for insight into 'power politics' that Noam Chomsky would find admirable.

 Grin

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 12:02:31 AM »

Scary stuff, 40hz...

Where the hell is Ted Kaczynski when you need him?!   Cool

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2012, 12:24:50 AM »

Scary stuff, 40hz...

Where the hell is Ted Kaczynski when you need him?!   Cool

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If you want to find a new love for Ted and his ideas, look into "singularity" and the merging of man and machine. It will likely scare you half to death as you pray for Ted's return.


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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2012, 12:41:14 AM »

Are you guys crazy? Why would you want the Unabomber to return? What the heck is wrong with you? tellme
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2012, 01:07:07 AM »

Are you guys crazy? Why would you want the Unabomber to return? What the heck is wrong with you? tellme

It wasn't literal.

It's just that some of the stuff going on is so utterly bad, that by comparison, Ted looks pretty good. It's not a comment on actually wanting Ted running around bombing people -- it's a comment on recent events being completely insane and out of control.



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Ok, think of it this way, would you rather face Ted or an invasion by the Borg. Kind of like that.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2012, 08:17:55 AM »

Are you guys crazy? Why would you want the Unabomber to return? What the heck is wrong with you? tellme

Deozaan, now you're going to get all literal on us?

Besides, his theories weren't all that off.....  Except for the bombs.   tongue

C'mon - why so serious?!

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2012, 02:41:03 PM »

Are you guys crazy? Why would you want the Unabomber to return? What the heck is wrong with you? tellme

Deozaan, now you're going to get all literal on us?

Besides, his theories weren't all that off.....  Except for the bombs.   tongue

C'mon - why so serious?!

Jim





@Deo - Yeah, really... c'mon guy! This is DC. Look at what hangs out here. Gotta lighten up a little.  smiley
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