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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2012, 11:58:33 AM » |
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I've just seen some news on how reddit convinced a lot of people to call for their senators, donate money to them for future campaign, but the most pro-sopa senator are still determined to pass the law. I didn't realised how corrupted the system is, now I do, and I suppose it's probably only the tip of the iceberg. I don't say that about the US only actually, this as much as true for France.
This law basically gives the right to the media company to shut down any business, association, forums that use his website as a way to communicate. Why should a business have such a right on everything ? Google, Youtube, etc... would have been shutted down in their infancy if this law existed by then.
That's an absurdity. Especially since they are the same paranoid people who warn you that you shouldnt pirate the dvd you've paid. I suppose we'll see a warning that we shouldn't pirate every time we open a browser anytime soon for 2 minutes like on dvd.
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2012, 12:09:44 PM » |
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I suppose we'll see a warning that we shouldn't pirate every time we open a browser anytime soon for 2 minutes like on dvd. tbh, any website worth visiting right now, will be shut down within minutes of the bill passing. I can see Facebook, Google, Twitter, Bing, Mediafire, Imageshack, eBay, and many many more, (Including DonationCoder) being offline on the 1st Feb, if this new 'law' passes. |
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2012, 12:22:53 PM » |
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Maybe some heads should roll again while chanting 'Vive la revolucion!'. (in a good old fashioned French tradition...)
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2012, 12:29:20 PM » |
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No, the fido.net was not a mistuk.
It exists and, if you read the background and related material, you will probably see why it's called that. It doesn't appear to be a scam riding illegitimately on Fidonet's coattails, or anything similar.
Even if they were trying to ride on Fidonet's coattails there's nothing that could be done about it. IIRC Fidonet and Fido were never registered as trademarks (since there was no business) or set up as any sort of formal organization. It was just a peer maintained network of volunteers. Knowing Tom Jennings avowedly anarchist political leanings, I doubt he would have allowed any formalization of his creation - even though he probably couldn't have done anything about it if it had happened. Because copyright was generally not considered applicable to software code, and the USPTO was still intelligent enough not to be issuing patents for software or business methods back then. Simpler times...  And no lawyers.  No wonder so much got done so fast - and so well.   |
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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2012, 12:30:51 PM » |
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Maybe some heads should roll again while chanting 'Vive la revolucion!'. (in a good old fashioned French tradition...)
Not a bad idea. I'm getting a little behind with my knitting. And I could use an afternoon off.  Excuse me Mme. Defarge, but is this seat taken?  |
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2012, 01:21:34 PM » |
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@Renegade - Thx for that video. As someone who has also been ordered and escorted out of a municipal meeting for being out of order, I can appreciate what went down, and the outrage it caused. (I had asked the chairman if his board had the legal authority to do what they were doing since the issue clearly fell outside of the stated function of their department as defined by town ordinance - and likely outside their range of expertise and ability based on how badly it was being handled.) The cops were apologetic while escorting me out. And I knew them both personally, so I didn't push it. Besides, I have a rule about that.* Most of the people at the meeting got pretty pissed. Including the ones that disagreed with me. Thankfully there's still some New England Yankee left in the local mindset. We might want to punch you in the mouth for something you said. But we'd also just as readily punch out the first person who tried to keep you from saying it. -------------------- * 40hz's Rule for dealing with the police in a confrontational political situation - Keep the following in mind at all times: "Cops are just tools used by The Man. Don't get suckered into fighting the cops. Fight The Man." -anonymous 1967 rally speaker. |
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2012, 01:32:10 PM » |
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Can you say: 'backpedaling' and 'damage control'? If they felt that strongly why don't they promise to veto these bills? Dear Mr. President and all your hand-wringing White House Staff - please see #5 and #6 below: |
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2012, 07:01:21 PM » |
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No, the fido.net was not a mistuk.
It exists and, if you read the background and related material, you will probably see why it's called that. It doesn't appear to be a scam riding illegitimately on Fidonet's coattails, or anything similar.
I did read it- I didn't see anything that would lend it to being called that, other than the fact that its been in business for a while and the owner's former links to fidonet... not under about, testimonials, why choose, or any of the other links. I guess I missed it. |
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2012, 09:38:26 PM » |
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Maybe some heads should roll again while chanting 'Vive la revolucion!'. (in a good old fashioned French tradition...)
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2012, 09:45:09 PM » |
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Hey, here's a super easy way to redirect: http://jaywa.lk/stop-sopa/Code To Make Your Website Black Against SOPA Place this script on your Website between your two <head> </head> tags on Jan 18th. Then remove it on the 19th. It will jump your site to http://protestsopa.org/ Formatted for HTML with the GeSHI Syntax Highlighter [ copy or print] <script type=â€text/javascriptâ€> window.location = ‘http://protestsopa.org/ ‘;
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2012, 10:02:21 PM » |
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Is it my imagination, or is this company using the name fido.net to sell services that have nothing to do with fidonet? No, the fido.net was not a mistuk.
It exists and, if you read the background and related material, you will probably see why it's called that. It doesn't appear to be a scam riding illegitimately on Fidonet's coattails, or anything similar.
I did read it- I didn't see anything that would lend it to being called that, other than the fact that its been in business for a while and the owner's former links to fidonet... not under about, testimonials, why choose, or any of the other links. I guess I missed it.
@wraith808: Well then, you probably read all that I read so would maybe not have "missed" anything in that sense. I used the word "probably" above, for the simple reason that I wasn't sure whether it was certain that people would infer the same as I had from following the links. What you may have missed, therefore, is what I inferred from my reading:- IF: There seems to be no connection between fido.net and Fidonet (other than maybe the website owner might have had a past association with and fondness for Fidonet in earlier days), and;
- IF the Fido.net website does not appear to be selling anything related to what Fidonet was or offered (other than generic email services maybe), and;
- IF it seems improbable that using the "Fido..." would mean much (if anything) to the market decision for buying Fido.net's relatively conventional ISP/hosting offerings, and;
- IF the Fido.net domain had been available and snapped up because (say) it already had a fond or familar-sounding presence and would come up in searches, and;
- IF that all translated in fact to Fido.net's sales having no likely correlation or relationship with a notional "Fidonet brand" or perception in the marketplace;
THEN It would probably not be true that "this company [is] using the name fido.net to sell services that have nothing to do with fidonet". (I mean, how could it be true?) I apologise if this was obscure. I only intended to help to illuminate the gloom a bit. This could be a polite way of saying that it might be your imagination, I suppose - oops, or maybe it's mine!  |
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2012, 10:17:17 PM » |
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Here's perhaps an easier way to redirect a site to a protest site. It relies on using templates/skins though (as above). Just stick this script in your page template head: Formatted for Javascript with the GeSHI Syntax Highlighter [ copy or print] <script type="text/javascript"> <!-- var curDate = new Date(); if (curDate.getFullYear() == '2012' && curDate.getMonth() == '0' && curDate.getDate() == '18') { window.location = 'http://americancensorship.org/'; // Link to any protest site here. } //--> </script>
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2012, 10:30:41 PM » |
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Can you say: 'backpedaling' and 'damage control'? If they felt that strongly why don't they promise to veto these bills? Yes, well, when I read that about the "White House concerns" it looked to me like it was a potential classic, belated and cynical "Let's at least give the impression that we are serious about this - that we really mean it." "White House concerned over online piracy bills." ... Yeah, right.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2012, 10:46:26 PM » |
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Can you say: 'backpedaling' and 'damage control'? If they felt that strongly why don't they promise to veto these bills? Yes, well, when I read that about the "White House concerns" it looked to me like it was a potential classic, belated and cynical "Let's at least give the impression that we are serious about this - that we really mean it." "White House concerned over online piracy bills." ... Yeah, right.
My reading of it was that it politely said, "Buzz off. We know you're pissed, but we're going to pass it anyways. Go **** yourselves." Then again, that was what I read between the lines, and I could, just possibly, maybe, perhaps be a little, tiny bit cynical there. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2012, 10:07:42 PM » |
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If you use php as the page you can also use I am sure something like this for those who does not allow scripts it will still work... Formatted for PHP with the GeSHI Syntax Highlighter [ copy or print] <?php if (date("Ymd") == "20120118") { header("Location: http://www.americancensorship.org/"); } ?>
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2012, 10:14:08 PM » |
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Just a tiny comment... Redirecting to http://protestsopa.org/ might be better as the page is simpler and easier to understand for people. It links to other sites from there. |
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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2012, 02:38:28 AM » |
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Now that will have shown 'em!
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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2012, 03:08:04 AM » |
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Now that will have shown 'em!
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« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2012, 03:17:40 AM » |
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A friend recommended I check this: http://maddox.xmission.com/I would STRONGLY recommend everyone here read that. It's excellent. Here's an excerpt: SOPA is the "Stop Online Piracy Act." It's a shitty piece of legislation put together by puppetmaster lobbyists and politician puppets who don't know IP addresses from their assholes. My problem with this huge online protest against SOPA, and the reason I rarely take part in such protests, is because it doesn't address any problems, only the symptom. The problem isn't this shitty bill, it's the people who sponsored it. So we protest this bill today, bang enough pots and pans to shame a few backers into not letting this bill pass, then what? Those same dipshits who wrote this legislation still have jobs. They're going to try again, and again, and again until some mutation of this legislation passes. They'll sneak it into an appropriation bill while nobody's looking during recess, because there's too much lobbyist money at stake for them not to. We defeat SOPA today, only to face it again tomorrow. It's like trying to stop a cold by blowing your nose. It's time we go after the virus.
BOOM~! HE NAILS IT~!
Because that's exactly what we need to wake up from this slumbering, do-nothing, "occupy everything," stagnant, non-action slump we Americans are in.
"Protest schemes that don't cost the participants any inconvenience, hardship or money remain the most popular, despite their ineffectiveness."
-Snopes
We're a country where people think that...
Boycotting gas for a day makes a difference. It doesn't. Delaying when you buy gas by a day only broadcasts your intentions to oil speculators so they can profit. And the oil still gets purchased a day before or after anyway.
Painstakingly recycling every single shred of garbage in your home makes a difference. It doesn't. Even if you, your neighbors, and everyone you've ever met recycled everything and reduced your waste output to zero, it wouldn't even make an observable impact on overall waste production in the world. Household waste and garden residue account for less than 3% of all waste produced in the US. That's less than the average statistical margin of error, and most people don't even come close to producing zero waste.
Changing your profile picture on Facebook will get people to: A) stop abusing kids B) stop molesting kids C) stop killing kids and D) do anything.
Signing an online petition, or changing the front page of your website to protest SOPA will fix anything.
SOPA is the "Stop Online Piracy Act." It's a shitty piece of legislation put together by puppetmaster lobbyists and politician puppets who don't know IP addresses from their assholes. My problem with this huge online protest against SOPA, and the reason I rarely take part in such protests, is because it doesn't address any problems, only the symptom. The problem isn't this shitty bill, it's the people who sponsored it. So we protest this bill today, bang enough pots and pans to shame a few backers into not letting this bill pass, then what? Those same dipshits who wrote this legislation still have jobs. They're going to try again, and again, and again until some mutation of this legislation passes. They'll sneak it into an appropriation bill while nobody's looking during recess, because there's too much lobbyist money at stake for them not to. We defeat SOPA today, only to face it again tomorrow. It's like trying to stop a cold by blowing your nose. It's time we go after the virus.
There have been many bills attempted (and some passed) like SOPA before it. There's the DMCA act of 1998, PRO-IP Act of 2008, the 2011 Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, and now the PROTECT IP Act of 2012. Think this victory means anything? A new bill gets introduced every year or two like clockwork. Check back in a few years, and there'll be another SOPA or Protect IP Act being squeezed down the lower intestinal tracts of congress. And then what? We black out our websites again like a merry band of idiots?
Raising awareness is a great way of feeling good about yourself without actually doing anything. Be honest with yourself:
How much do you care about SOPA?
Would you be willing to:
Take time off work to go down to Washington DC?
Boycott companies that supported it?
Knock on this dickhead's door and ask him why he introduced such shitty legislation?
Make sure none of these losers get elected ever again?
Harry Reid (D-NV)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
Mary Bono Mack (R-CA)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
John Conyers (D-MI)
Ted Deutch (D-FL)
Elton Gallegly (R-CA)
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Timothy Griffin (R-AR)
Dennis A. Ross (R-FL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
Lee Terry (R-NE)
Because until or unless you do, all the loud clamoring isn't going to change shit. If you think it's too severe a punishment to fire these jackasses over this bill, then consider the fact that politicians who supported this piece of legislation either:
Supported it knowing its full implications, despite the fact that it would introduce security risks, hurt the economy, innovation and jobs and would lead to censorship.
Or that they supported the bill not knowing the full implications of this legislation, which means that they're ignorant, and they shouldn't have their jobs anyway.
As of this writing, enough of you whined and got your way. Great, you stopped SOPA.
It needs to get worse before it gets better. We need a really shitty piece of legislation like SOPA in this country to be the spark that ignites the lazy, idle tinders of protest. It's not uncommon or even controversial to say that Washington is corrupt. It doesn't cause anyone to bat an eye when you say it in public, with Republicans, Democrats or "other." That's a problem. We need SOPA to wake the sleeping giant in this country. It could have been our generation's Rodney King verdict. Instead of blacking out our websites, what we need to do is dismantle the system that created this bullshit. Enough is enough.
Instead of changing your Facebook icon to an anti-SOPA image for a day or two, here's something you can do that might make a real difference: boycott the companies that supported this legislation. There are too many to boycott all of them effectively, so I propose we pick two or three, hit them, and hit them hard. Punish them for putting their interests above ours. Hitting them in the wallet should send a message. I've highlighted the most difficult ones to boycott in red. The companies with the biggest return for our boycott are in yellow. The more we inconvenience ourselves, the more impact the boycott will have:
60 Plus Association
ABC
Actors. Equity Association (AEA)
Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies (ASOP)
American Bankers Association (ABA)
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)
American Federation of Musicians (AFM)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA)
American Guild of Musical Artists (AGMA)
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
Americans for Tax Reform
Association of American Publishe r s (AAP)
Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies
Beachbody, LLC
BMG Chrysalis
BMI
Building and Construction Trades Department
Capitol Records Nashville
CBS
Cengage Learning
Center for Individual Freedom (CFIF)
Christian Music Trade Association
Church Music Publishers. Association
Coalition Against Online Video Piracy (CAOVP)
Comcast/NBC Universal
Concerned Women for America (CWA)
Congressional Fire Services Institute
Copyhype
Copyright Alliance
Coty, Inc.
Council of Better Business Bureaus (CBBB)
Council of State Governments
Country Music Association
Country Music Television
Creative America
Deluxe
Department for Professional Employees, AFL-CIO
Directors Guild of America (DGA)
Disney Publishing Worldwide, Inc.
Elsevier
EMI Christian Music Group
EMI Music Publishing
Entertainment Software Association (ESA)
ESPN
EstéLauder Companies
Gospel Music Association
Graphic Artists Guild
Hachette Book Group
HarperCollins Publishers Worldwide, Inc.
Hyperion
Independent Film & Television Alliance (IFTA)
International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, Moving Picture Technicians,
Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States, Its Territories and Canada (IATSE)
International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF)
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)
International Trademark Association (INTA)
International Union of Police Associations
L'Oreal
Let Freedom Ring
Lost Highway Records
Macmillan
Major County Sheriffs
Major League Baseball
Majority City Chiefs
Marvel Entertainment, LLC
MasterCard Worldwide
MCA Records
McGraw- Hill Education
Mercury Nashville
Minor League Baseball (MiLB)
Minority Media & Telecom Council (MMTC)
Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)
MPA . The Association of Magazine Media
National Association of Fusion Center Directors
National Association of Manufacturers (NAM)
National Association of Prosecutor Coordinators
National Association of State Chief Information Officers
National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA)
National Center for Victims of Crime
National Criminal Justice Association
National District Attorneys Association
National Domestic Preparedness Coalition
National Football League
National Narcotics Off ic ers. Associations. Coalition
National Sheriffs . Association (NSA)
National Songwriters Association
National Troopers Coalition
News Corporation
Office and Professional Employees International Union (OPEIU)
Pearson Education
Penguin Group (USA), Inc.
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA)
Pfizer, Inc.
Provident Music Group
Random House
Republic Nashville
Revlon
Scholastic, Inc.
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
Showdog Universal Music
Simon & Schuster
Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Music Nashville
State International Development Organization (SIDO)
The Perseus Books Groups
The United States Conference of Mayors
Tiffany & Co.
Time Warner
True Religion Brand Jeans
Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC)
UMG Publishing Group Nashville
United States Chamber of Commerce
United States Olympic Committee
United States Tennis Association
Universal Music
Universal Music Publishing Group
Viacom
Visa Inc.
W.W. Norton & Company
Wallace Bajjali Development Partners, L.P.
Warner Music Group
Warner Music Nashville
Wolters Kluewer Health
Word Entertainment
Zumba Fitness, LLC
The companies in red aren't impossible to boycott, just a lot more difficult because of their size. For example, you'd probably have to spend an hour of research every week just to make sure you weren't supporting a Viacom property if you chose to boycott them, and a boycott fewer than a few million strong probably won't matter to a company as large as Viacom. The companies in yellow stand a chance of getting some significant fallout from a boycott. There are a number of publishers on this list, including my own. If the consensus I get from readers is that we should boycott publishers, I'll support the boycott even though it hurts me. However, publishing companies traditionally haven't gone after piracy as blindly and bone-headedly as the MPAA and RIAA, so there are more deserving companies.
Which companies do you think deserve the boycott for SOPA? How would you propose we solve the problem that doesn't involve changing your Facebook profile picture? Email me. I'll update this site with a list. Keep it to the list of supporters. Updates soon.
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Societies eventually crumble under the evil weight of their own decadent greed. Human history shows this to be true. Woe to our children's children if the good old US of A doesn't shape up.
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Societies eventually crumble under the evil weight of their own decadent greed. Human history shows this to be true. Woe to our children's children if the good old US of A doesn't shape up.
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^ It's not necessarily the elite that cause that spiral. In many cases, it's the little people that are co-enablers of the elite's ability to cause such damage, i.e. the US Political System.
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