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cranioscopical:
That works very nicely and hands stuff out for processing by an editor that has many years' worth of Rexx macros built into it.-cranioscopical (October 10, 2011, 05:39 PM)
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I'm not sure I follow you. I thought the point of this kind of tool was to avoid using the editor itself, while gaining extra benefit from scripts already written for it.  That is, instead of loading your editor, you'd run your scripts with a free-standing REXX interpreter via CHS.  Is that what you meant?-rjbull (October 13, 2011, 09:50 AM)
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Well a couple of things...

First, my comment was intended simply to say "it works". Mouser had just enabled the ability to do that very thing and I was trying it out.

Second, I fully understand and accept your point but, for me at least, the mechanism can be used either way. Calling Rexx directly is certainly an option. For new stuff I'd probably do that and use whatever is the most suitable scripting tool. It just so happens, however, that the editor I use most has as its language a native version of Rexx (KEXX) with internal functions that aren't in standard Rexx. I could re-invent the wheel but I've used the editor for the past 30 years or so and it's now jam packed with quirky stuff that suits my workflow. Execution time is of no consequence to me; I don't process vast files, today's machines are so fast, the tasks I perform now so trivial...

Basically I'm:

* set in my ways
* lazy
* uncaring these days about how something gets done, as long as it is done
 

rjbull:
Understood now, and +1 on the last three points  :)  That's more or less why I asked for the STDIN/STDOUT alternative.

cranioscopical:
That's more or less why I asked for the STDIN/STDOUT alternative.
-rjbull (October 13, 2011, 02:39 PM)
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The more access points the better  :Thmbsup:

capitalH:
Mouser: after playing with this formatting dialog I have some comments.

1) When I click Modify Format/Case in the Main dialog it would be more intuitive (for me) to be presented a list of saved presets and apply it to the clip (with a preview box of course). You can then have buttons to Rename, Edit, Delete or Create New presets - which will then take you to your formatting screen.

2) There is currently no way to Rename/Delete a preset (1 will solve this)

3) Once in the formatting screen it is not clear which preset is loaded - it will be nice to see this (maybe in the title)

4) There is Accept and Cancel buttons - but no save button. Once (3) is implemented I would expect to have  a button that saves the loaded preset (currently you have to save as). [off topic]This drove me insane until I realised "Accept" accepts the changes to the text - not the preset[/off topic]

5) In the preset editing tree (i.e. where introduction,  add stuff etc are written - figure 2 in first post) - it may be helpful to add a checkmark to show if anything is active in that tree/tab (or make the actives bold or red or anything visual)[off topic]I actually preferred the old screen (as I could see what is on and what is off at a glance) [/off topic]

6) I would like to create a custom order of the list in (1) and this custom order should be kept for the Quick Paste option as well - I use keyboard shortcuts

7) I would like a way to perform this on a clip from the quick paste menu - though I cannot think of anyway to do it intuitively

8) I would like to have the option for user tools NOT to paste the output (my AHK example for example does not require pasting) - maybe if %outfile% does not exist (currently it gives an error).

9) I second the STDIN/STDOUT method as an option - it just seems more natural and cleaner. I would have to try and figure out how to do it in AHK though - but I am sure the forums will have something.


10) Unrelated to the formatting presets: when I use quick paste and the main window exists - the main window is activated first. This is not a big problem but it bothers me as the behaviour differs from when the main window is minimised to tray

11) Unrelated to the formatting presets: When I am in a rename mode (for example in explorer or gbCodeLib9) activating quick paste deactivates the edit/rename mode and the paste gets lost (i.e. go to explorer, select a file, press F2, Quick Paste something - filename unchanged). If there is anyway to prevent this from happening I would be extremely grateful but somehow I think that the creation of the quick paste menu will always do this.

12) Unrelated to the formatting presets: I would be grateful for some way to paste a clip with original formatting (for example, pasting bold text in MS Word as bold text)

(The last few points may have ways to do this already - and I apologise in advance for my ignorance should it be so. Also if I should move it to another thread I will do so)

Although I have a lot of comments - this does not mean that I do not find CHS useful. I do not participate in forums for software that I do not find useful, so in a sense this is a big compliment. Only been using it for a week or so and already finding it a huge timesaver.

mouser:
It's fun to see some interest in the text modification features..

Let me try to answer some of the questions:

1) When I click Modify Format/Case in the Main dialog it would be more intuitive (for me) to be presented a list of saved presets and apply it to the clip (with a preview box of course). You can then have buttons to Rename, Edit, Delete or Create New presets - which will then take you to your formatting screen.

2) There is currently no way to Rename/Delete a preset (1 will solve this)

3) Once in the formatting screen it is not clear which preset is loaded - it will be nice to see this (maybe in the title)

4) There is Accept and Cancel buttons - but no save button. Once (3) is implemented I would expect to have  a button that saves the loaded preset (currently you have to save as). [off topic]This drove me insane until I realised "Accept" accepts the changes to the text - not the preset[/off topic]
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Ok all of these are related.. let me explain:

The modification dialog can be used for two things -- first to quickly apply some custom formatting to the current text (of the current clip item).  When you just press the modification button on main window this is what you invoke.  It does *NOT* load a preset when you invoke it this way, it just uses your last settings.

So.. you could live your whole live never using saved presets -- just invoking that dialog when you want to apply some formatting and then closing it.

You can also trigger this use from the quick paste menu by selecting the last entry on the formatting submenu.

Now the other use of the dialog is to load and save presets, which are remembered settings.

Unlike some other programs, CHS wont remind you to save the changes in a preset if you load one and change some settings.  That's perhaps something i should think about improving.  But basically if you want to change a preset you load it, modify it, and then save it again.

The saved presets are just files, so if you want to delete one, share one, rename one, you can do so in your file system.

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