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Author Topic: Steve Jobs is dead.  (Read 20639 times)
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« Reply #75 on: October 10, 2011, 09:20:23 PM »

Following up on the RMS post, here's one by Eric Raymond:
http://www.muktware.com/news/2623

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Its time to get out of the RDF (reality distortion field) created by Steve Jobs and admit the truth, which even if bitter is truth.

Nicely put.
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« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2011, 02:53:11 AM »

Obviously we are heading for Apple's version of the Rapture ... when all Apple device will be fused to their owners and a mere twitch of an eyelash will inform all of your friends of your exact location and which app they should buy next off the app store ...

Oh no - South Park is coming true ...
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« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2011, 01:32:51 PM »

Okay so we're well past the 3 day mark ... Shouldn't he be back by now??
Is that the third coming... Or the fourth Reich?
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« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2011, 05:06:16 PM »

Okay so we're well past the 3 day mark ... Shouldn't he be back by now??
Is that the third coming... Or the fourth Reich?

Yes... Wink
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« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2011, 06:11:36 PM »

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« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2011, 06:12:44 PM »

That's assuming the vertical orientation is correct ...
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« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2011, 06:15:07 PM »

That's assuming the vertical orientation is correct ...

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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2011, 06:17:01 PM »

That gives me an idea

iAfterlife  Wink
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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2011, 06:18:27 PM »

I'm looking at how moses is holding onto those tablets and I think I can see the problem...
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« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2011, 06:31:28 PM »

That gives me an idea

iAfterlife  Wink

Packaged as a gift set just-in-time for christmas with the iDied.
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« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2011, 06:34:59 PM »

The iDied is surgically implanted and remains dormant until you keel over. Then it automatically activates the iAfterLife and you're transported to an apple wonderland paradise.

The trick of course is you have to keel over before the battery does...
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« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2011, 06:54:46 PM »

And since it won't be user serviceable....
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« Reply #87 on: October 13, 2011, 06:13:23 AM »



Then it automatically activates the iAfterLife and you're transported to an apple wonderland paradise.

Shouldn't you mean the Garden of Eden where you can feast upon apples  Wink
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« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2011, 04:38:10 AM »



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« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2011, 09:25:05 AM »

From the blog post Snipers... about sums up my feelings on the subject...

Some NSFW language behind the cut
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« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2011, 09:53:23 AM »

Don't have to like the guy, but if you don't respect what he accomplished, you are missing a critical piece of your brain ...

Nothing's missing from my brain, truth is I don't respect what he accomplished because I don't respect how he accomplished it.
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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2011, 11:23:59 AM »

Don't have to like the guy, but if you don't respect what he accomplished, you are missing a critical piece of your brain ...

Nothing's missing from my brain, truth is I don't respect what he accomplished because I don't respect how he accomplished it.

I'm split. Part of me has to give him credit for a lot of what he did. Another part of me has to give him credit in the same way that I'd give Pol Pot credit for his "accomplishments".

As for respect, well... The first part there, sure. The second, not so much.
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« Reply #92 on: October 26, 2011, 11:26:52 AM »

For me the problem is the extremes: Jobs was very good at what he did and revolutionized tech... he's not perfect, and he's not evil.  I try to stay in the middle (which has it's own pitfalls).  I did find this CNN piece interesting though:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/26/short-takes-are-we-turning-steve-jobs-into-a-saint/?hpt=hp_c2
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« Reply #93 on: October 26, 2011, 11:57:12 AM »

Jobs was very good at what he did and revolutionized tech... marketing

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« Reply #94 on: October 26, 2011, 01:17:48 PM »

Nothing's missing from my brain, truth is I don't respect what he accomplished because I don't respect how he accomplished it.

There's a difference between the accomplishment and the business behind the accomplishment.  People seem to discard the one for the other.  I don't think we'd be where we are with smartphones, tablets, nor music players if not for these accomplishments.  It's not as if he was responsible for any of the innovations- but the design behind the implementations that Apple utilized pushed the market because they were able to see financial feasibility in the concepts.  To ignore that is to throw the baby out with the bathwater IMO.
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« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2011, 01:18:34 PM »

Jobs was very good at what he did and revolutionized tech... marketing

FTFY smiley

It wasn't just marketing- people say that all the time.  But look at it objectively, and one can see that it wasn't *just* the marketing.  At least IMO.
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« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2011, 02:07:22 PM »

True, he also robbed a lot of other people ideas and claimed they were his.

He was famous for taking all the credit.

Apple's famous designer, Jonathan Ive, was frustrated because Steve was constantly taking credit for his ideas.  It was a recurring problem, with incredibly talented executives complaining that Jobs took all the credit for Apple's game-changing innovations.  "I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas," Ive said.  "So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."
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« Reply #97 on: October 26, 2011, 02:19:22 PM »

True, he also robbed a lot of other people ideas and claimed they were his.

He was famous for taking all the credit.

Apple's famous designer, Jonathan Ive, was frustrated because Steve was constantly taking credit for his ideas.  It was a recurring problem, with incredibly talented executives complaining that Jobs took all the credit for Apple's game-changing innovations.  "I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas," Ive said.  "So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."

And again, this is baby/bathwater situation.  Not even taking into account that we are on the outside, and this is basically he said/she said kind of stuff (not saying if its true or not), the point is that the company under his leadership *was* responsible for the energizing of the tablet market that Microsoft had been trying to get mainstream for 10 years at the time the iPad came out, and similar things happened with the phone and the music player.  But I suppose that doesn't mean anything?
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« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2011, 02:22:39 PM »

Can somebody point at one device Apple has produced that wasn't based on an existing product or products?

Sorry his genius was repackaging, re-badging, marketing, stealing ideas and then suing the originator for patent infringement.

If there is one true achievement Jobs and his empire can claim it is the current state of patent laws.

Here are some examples:

  • Xerox/Wimp/Gem => MacOS
  • BSD => current MacOS foundation + skin to look like old MacOS
  • Hardware originally designed for Windows machines => 1/2 generation behind the times to avoid cutting edge issues = Mac PCs/Macbooks
  • A multitude of MP3 players and online MP3 download sites => iPod
  • A multitude of smart phones and handheld computers => iPhone => iPad
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« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2011, 03:10:31 PM »

Can somebody point at one device Apple has produced that wasn't based on an existing product or products?

No. There aren't any.

Sorry his genius was repackaging, re-badging, marketing, stealing ideas and then suing the originator for patent infringement.

If there is one true achievement Jobs and his empire can claim it is the current state of patent laws.

+1! Apple was the first business AFAICT that tried to get around the rule you couldn't patent an idea by creating the legal fiction that eventually came to be known as the "look & feel" argument when they accused Microsoft of copying an Apple 'innovation' (i.e. resizeable and moveable windows) which Apple had wholly lifted from Xerox PARC.

Years later, Jobs would claim to have paid Xerox $1 for the use of their desktop concept. But apparently no record survived of that deal. Or at least not enough of a record to prevent Xerox from suing Apple for stealing PARC's ideas several years after the Macintosh came out.

 So it goes...undecided
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