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NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo

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tranglos:
@tranglos, first congratulation on "Ethervane Echo" pledge.

Second I pledged "Paste Text Like", which works with clipboard too, so we are both in same boat now :)
-anandcoral (September 12, 2011, 06:26 AM)
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I've noticed! The more, the merrier. The clipboard seems to be a fairly simple concept on the surface, but when you start extending its capabilities, different people go in so many different directions. It's quite cool that way.

Without making "Ethervane Echo" any lesser than "ArsClip", I will like to say that you can open the ArsClip menu at cursor position (set hotkey in Configure) and can increase the number of item (Configure / Show Options). It does has search feature (N - Search, in menu). Permanent clip with script, edit clipboard, exclude program, paste method, form mode etc. are few others which I use occasionally.

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Yeah, I only remember testing a version of ArsClip a long time ago. I haven't looked recently. Excluding applications is already available in Echo, too - that's one of the things I was missing in Ditto.  Still, a menu cannot have multi-line items, for example, and if there is a special menu command to initiate search, it's probably not the kind of "instant search" that I am after. (OK, so I'm talking without seeing it again, never mind :-)

rjbull:
Yeah, I only remember testing a version of ArsClip a long time ago. [...] if there is a special menu command to initiate search, it's probably not the kind of "instant search" that I am after.-tranglos (September 12, 2011, 09:01 AM)
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You have to hit a key on the popup to invoke Search.  After that, it is what I think people mean by an "instant search" feature.  That is, press "d","o","n" and you get everything that includes those, add an "a", and you start to see only those entries with "donation coder" in them.  The more letters you add, the more you close in on your target, and removing letters widens it in real time, the list of possibles widens to match.

As for anandcoral's program, I think of it as in the (smaller) class of "clipboard manipulators" that includes Text Monkey, Clippy, and FDC.  I'm happy enough for them to remain a separate class of software, especially for the more specialised functions.

kurtyer:
First of all I must say that this has quickly become my favorite clipboard manager.
Since I was using Ditto before and read your intro I downloaded the program, and replaced Ditto with it the same day.

There seems to be some kind of problem with the search though.
Using this clip for example.
The clip was copied in its entirety, but searching for hello gave no results...
I also tried deleting all the clips and restarting.
If you try copying a smaller part of the clip at some point the search does yield results.

tranglos:
First of all I must say that this has quickly become my favorite clipboard manager.
Since I was using Ditto before and read your intro I downloaded the program, and replaced Ditto with it the same day.-kurtyer (September 20, 2011, 01:46 PM)
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Thank you! And welcome to DC!

There seems to be some kind of problem with the search though.
Using this clip for example.
The clip was copied in its entirety, but searching for hello gave no results...-kurtyer (September 20, 2011, 01:46 PM)
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I can tell this is going to be a FAQ :)

The word 'hello' in your clip is preceded by about 600 other characters. By default, Echo only searches the first 512 characters of any clip. This is important for performance reasons, since clips are not kept in memory, but in the database on disk. My justification for that decision is that a great majority of clips are not very large chunks of text, so that, um, 512 bytes should be enough for everybody :)

There is another reason: it is going to be very inconvenient (and slow) to browse really long pieces of text in the list of clips. So clips must be truncated for display.

Given these two practical limits, Echo uses the same setting to control two things: the max length of a clip that is displayed, and the max length of a clip that is searched.

You can find and increase the setting under Tools -> Preferences -> Database -> MaxDispTextSize.

Initially it is set to 512. You can increase it, but the larger the value, the slower your searches will be, if you do keep a lot of long clips. It's a trade-off, and you can experiment to find a good compromise.

Note also that changing this value only affects clips captured after the change. Clips already stored in the database will still be limited to the previous max value. This can be fixed (so that the change affects already stored clips as well), at a cost of re-writing the database, which may be a long operation (a few seconds to a minute or more, depending on your db size and hard disk speed).

(I should stress that the limit does not mean that clips are cut off at that length. Echo always stores and pastes back the complete clip, exactly as it was originally captured. The limit only determines how big a part of the clip is searched and displayed.

There is another setting that tells Echo to ignore (not even capture) clips that are larger than a certain length. This one is at Tools -> Preferences -> Capturing clips -> MaxTextSize, and it is initially set to 1 MB. The size refers to the length of plain text contained in the clip.)

Check out the "Limitations" and "Troubleshooting" topics in the help file as well. This issue is explained there, but perhaps not as clearly as it could be. ("Cannot find a clip, but you know it exists in the database", item 2 under Troubleshooting.)

kurtyer:
I'll have to try and play with the setting a bit.
Thanks.

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