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« on: August 03, 2014, 07:43:49 PM »

Must-read of the year:

Everything is branded. Even people. People are “personal brands”, despite the fact that, by and large, you can’t figure out what most of them are actually even good for. They just exist to be snarky and post selfies and demand that you buy something, anything, with their picture on it.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 08:45:34 PM »

Some real gems in there! smiley  Thmbsup

Here's one:

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I don’t believe anymore that the answer lies in more or better tech

Lots more in there.

It seems he's having a hard time looking at the bright side. There is one. But it's hard to see sometimes when you're buried in the carcasses of the disillusioned & discarded.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 04:58:52 AM »


It seems he's having a hard time looking at the bright side. There is one.

Yep. Now if somebody will switch on a flashlight, maybe we can find it. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 07:35:24 AM »

Some real gems in there! smiley  Thmbsup

Indeed, I thought this one was brilliant!
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You actually know who Kim Kardashian is. In an ideal world, you’d be as unaware of her existence as you are of the names of the Chinese kids who made the futurephone or featherweight laptop you’re almost certainly reading this on. In an ideal world, Kim Kardashian would have spent her life getting sport-fucked anonymously by hip-hop stars in some Bel Air mansion, ran a salon, and either died of a coke overdose or Botox poisoning. There is no reason that her face and her life and her tits and her deathless thoughts needed to be foisted upon the world outside of the 90210 ZIP code. Except that somebody figured out that you could make money off showing people the car accident in slow motion, that people would watch that. Sure they will. People love to watch stupid people do stupid things. It makes them feel less stupid.

Reality TV in a nutshell there.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2014, 08:20:35 AM »

I think the cause of the malaise is much simpler.  Think back to when you were a kid skipping down the street.  You were happy for no particular reason.  In fact it was your default state of mind.  Adults smiled to see you skipping along so care free.

Then one day as you skipped along you encountered a tall man in a gray suit with gray felt hat.  He gave you such a disgusted look.  You slow down in reaction.  Then the gray man says "You are tool old to be skipping" all mean and nasty.

From that day on your life sucked.  You worried about things that never bothered you before.  Well I'm here to tell you that was no accident.  The gray man is no ordinary person.  He's a time traveler and his mission is to conduct hostile psychological operations against the middle class people of The United States.

Being from the future he could see that it was only necessary to spoil the childhoods of the middle class kids to generate the impetus for all the wars, famines, depressions, inflationary periods etc that sapped the resources of the middle class.

The only way to turn back the clock on the downfall of the middle class is to go back in time and skip down the street no matter what anyone thinks or says about it!

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2014, 10:18:17 AM »

I think the cause of the malaise is much simpler.  Think back to when you were a kid skipping down the street.  You were happy for no particular reason.  In fact it was your default state of mind.  Adults smiled to see you skipping along so care free.

Then one day as you skipped along you encountered a tall man in a gray suit with gray felt hat.  He gave you such a disgusted look.  You slow down in reaction.  Then the gray man says "You are tool old to be skipping" all mean and nasty.

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The only way to turn back the clock on the downfall [...] is to go back in time and skip down the street no matter what anyone thinks or says about it!

sounds good to me thumbs up
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 10:33:12 AM »

Interesting post.
I'm a bit vague about who Kim Kardashian is. I mean, I've heard/seen the name, but have no real idea who/what she is known for - though I suppose I learned a little by reading this discussion thread just now. Nor would I care to know more, as she is apparently part of the sort of moronic TV pseudo-culture that I avoid spending my cognitive surplus on. It's by choice.
I just don't really "watch" TV. Oh, I sat up last night cuddling my daughter and watching the latest "Total Recall" movie with her. I hadn't realised they had made a newer version after Arnold S' one (which I thought was pretty good). I was able to describe some of the main differences to "We can remember it for you wholesale" by P.K.Dick, to my daughter, and we decided we would rent out the Arnie version video for comparison, as she is studying SF at the moment and was interested in the story.
I would not have watched it if my wife had not told me that there was a children's movie just about to begin that she thought I might like. She's usually right.
Whilst the adverts were on, my daughter was fiercely scrolling through the channels, so we were watching bits of hockey (at the Commonwealth Games), some NZ rugby match, and a nondescript movie that she rather liked (I mentally tuned out on the latter, going into my own thoughts where I was preoccupied trying to figure out a perplexing problem using Excel pivot tables, so don't recall the name of the movie or anything about it).
After she went to bed, I stayed up stuck in front of the TV watching a new (2nd?) sequel to Underworld that I hadn't known they'd made. I always rather liked Underworld 1 and 2, but this sequel was a bit of a disappointment. I guess they have almost exhausted its possibilities. Like all those Planet of The Apes sequels and TV serials.
After that there was a painfully slow sort of drama-horror movie called "The River" which was riveting enough to send me to sleep, so I missed the ending. When I looked it up on IMDB just now, I couldn't find anything about it, so maybe I got the name wrong. Anyway, it was about a mother and son and a TV crew going up an Amazon river in search of the husband/father, who had been a famous explorer and had disappeared seven years previously looking for "magic".
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 11:12:10 AM »

I'm a bit vague about who Kim Kardashian is. I mean, I've heard/seen the name, but have no real idea who/what she is known for

You just answered your own question. She is one of those people who is described as being famous for being famous ... Because they have exactly zero actual accomplishments. Kind of like Paris Hilton, who outside of the infamous video...never did a damn thing worth noticing. Yet she is (or was) in the news constantly for doing what exactly? Nothing. Oh look there is who-gives-a-shit doing who-gives-a-shit again!! ...Quick get a photo!!!

*Sigh*
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 12:20:14 PM »

I think the cause of the malaise is much simpler.  Think back to when you were a kid skipping down the street.  You were happy for no particular reason.  In fact it was your default state of mind.  Adults smiled to see you skipping along so care free.

Then one day as you skipped along you encountered a tall man in a gray suit with gray felt hat.  He gave you such a disgusted look.  You slow down in reaction.  Then the gray man says "You are tool old to be skipping" all mean and nasty.

From that day on your life sucked.  You worried about things that never bothered you before.  Well I'm here to tell you that was no accident.  The gray man is no ordinary person.  He's a time traveler and his mission is to conduct hostile psychological operations against the middle class people of The United States.

Being from the future he could see that it was only necessary to spoil the childhoods of the middle class kids to generate the impetus for all the wars, famines, depressions, inflationary periods etc that sapped the resources of the middle class.

The only way to turn back the clock on the downfall of the middle class is to go back in time and skip down the street no matter what anyone thinks or says about it!



Funny thing about skipping...

When I was in HS, we had to go from one school building to another for some of our classes. Since there were only 5 minutes between classes (and you got disciplined if you were late) most of us used to run.

There was a day when me and a buddy (a real character by the name of George) started out across this huge lawn between two of the buildings trying to make our Chem-II  class on the 4th floor of the hall we were heading towards, when I muttered something about "might as well skip." George looked at me for a second, linked his left arm in my right and said, "C'mon E-man - SKIP!).

We did.

Cleared the distance in record time. Not even breathing hard at the end of it. (Turns out skipping is very efficient form of locomotion for a biped.)

We had about 20 fellow classmates behind us. Their only comment was "You two were really bookin' it!"

Next day half of us skipped to Chem class.

The day after, we all did.

Then the practice of what came to be called "skip truckin'"spread to most of the other 600 or so students in the school.

Skipping became "most cool" because:

  • It actually got the job done efficiently
  • It looked truly stupid
  • It started to drive the faculty and administration crazy. (Especially when people started bringing it indoors - which resulted in a threatened detention penalty for anyone caught skipping in the halls.)

The first two points above made it a win.

But getting a reaction from "The Man" elevated it to being "epic." Grin



Not much more to say about skipping except:



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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 06:08:47 PM »

...She is one of those people who is described as being famous for being famous ... Because they have exactly zero actual accomplishments. Kind of like Paris Hilton...
Ah! Thanks. That also answers another Q I had - I never could figure out what P Hilton had done to warrant media attention.
It also reminded me of the joke about Hamish the house-builder, so I just posted it in the humour section.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 07:58:41 PM »

Then one day as you skipped along you encountered a tall man in a gray suit with gray felt hat.  He gave you such a disgusted look.  You slow down in reaction.  Then the gray man says "You are tool old to be skipping" all mean and nasty.

Yeah, well...I remember that tall man in a gray suit with a gray felt hat. I slowed my skipping enough to give him a hard kick in the shins and resumed my skipping.

All these year later I'm still skipping and he hasn't been foolhardy enough to show his face around me again.  smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 05:37:20 AM »

Then one day as you skipped along you encountered a tall man in a gray suit with gray felt hat.  He gave you such a disgusted look.  You slow down in reaction.  Then the gray man says "You are tool old to be skipping" all mean and nasty.

Yeah, well...I remember that tall man in a gray suit with a gray felt hat. I slowed my skipping enough to give him a hard kick in the shins and resumed my skipping.

All these year later I'm still skipping and he hasn't been foolhardy enough to show his face around me again.  smiley

Thanks for doing your bit.  All is not yet lost.  smiley



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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 01:40:15 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 02:01:32 PM »

Not sure whether to post or not, but...

I'm glad you did.  It was interesting.  Before Kindergarten my father's mother lived with us.  She was the only one who made any attempt to teach me to read.  She would point to the ads in the newspaper as I sat on her lap, and read them to me.

I remember my parents being very surprised when I pointed to the cigarette ad on the page my mother was reading and said "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should!" Perhaps it was just how it seemed to me as a kid but soon after that incident grandma' wasn't living with us anymore.  No, she wasn't fitted for cement overshoes.  But she did end up back in my father's home town in Ohio.   huh
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2014, 02:49:12 PM »

Not sure whether to post or not, but...

I'm glad you did.

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As adults, we're prepared to deal with these things much better (and continue skipping). We can reject that tall man. As kids, it's not so easy - he frames your reality in ways that you cannot understand or reject.

I think he/it** still frame most peoples' realities when they are grown up - without them even being conscious of it.

** whatever those experiences were.

It's a powerful image, the tall grey man...
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2014, 03:40:28 AM »

...It's a powerful image, the tall grey man...
Yes, perhaps it could be a powerful image - if you allowed it that - but it is still just a simple metaphor (a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable - a thing regarded as symbolic of something else), and thus it would seem irrational to enlarge the import of an imagined and intangible thing so far as to use it as a putative explanation for something somehow shaping mankind's perceptions throughout the course of our modern history.
I mean, next minute, one might start to imagine it as an invisible god of despair working to depress our lives and having a causal effect, somehow - and that could probably be taking things a tad too far.

It is an interesting post - the link in the opening post Everyone I know is brokenhearted. | Zenarchery - but I would suggest it be read with a skeptical mindset. For example, it seems to be quite good rhetoric - but rhetoric only - and could thus presumably be designed to increase traffic to the author's commercial site and increase sales of his book. Nothing wrong in that. A stream of high-sounding BS coming from someone immersed in the BS world of merchantilism.

It seems to be essentially one man's perception and rant, protesting about the far-from-ideal world in which he finds himself, and about his perception and personal general theory/thoughts as to how it might have got to be the way it is. We could all probably resonate with at least something of what he says, but that doesn't necessarily make any of it true, and thus it would not be correct to say that he speaks "truth". Truth needs substantiation and proof, and the only real truth we have as to how things got to where they are today comes from discovery in science, archaeology and recorded history - and even they cannot always be accepted uncritically, due to the many and several attempts to deliberately reconstruct them to align with some prevailing religio-political ideology or other, over time. We can see examples of this reconstruction in modern and ancient history - which would seem to suggest a dose of healthy skepticism as a prerequisite when, (say) listening to/viewing the Radio/TV news broadcasts, documentaries, and the History Channel.

From his published CV and his other blog posts, it seems apparent that this author of a rant about the BS world he finds himself in is a product of that BS world and he works assiduously in it, producing more BS - and with his personal brand on it all to boot. It could thus seem to be a cynically hypocritical rant. That doesn't mean to say that he might not actually believe in what he is saying, but if he did, then it could arguably be ahamkara.

That's why I picked on what looked like a complete irrelevancy (Kim Kardashian) rather than the actual post, and then posted about it with that banal comment about watching TV movies. It was a bit of a joke, you see.    Grin
The thing is, I would rather spend my cognitive surplus watching a well-structured work of fiction (a movie) intended as entertainment, than (say) discussing the merits of someone's emotionally-charged blog post of their perceptions and half-baked theories of reality, presumably designed to create traffic to a commercial website. It's his shop window, and I wasn't interested, thanks.
However, it was not a complete waste. I shall put it to good use as an example of good rhetoric, for my daughter to analyse for English studies.
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Having said that, let's turn anyway to some of the content of that rant. There are a couple of aspects about the rant that I regard as seriously muddled thinking and carrying an implicit and imputed assignment of blame to an external person or group - the preceding generations who stuffed things up.
From what he says, the author seems to have an external locus of control, which is generally considered to be an unhealthy psychological state as it can erode the individual's ability to accept responsibility for and take control of their own lives.
It's "them" as did all the bad things, you see. He didn't want any of this - he even apparently claims he did his bit and engaged in religio-political ideological protest, or something, about some of it, at least until it became unpopular to do so, it seems.
And then one morning he wakes up and sees the propaganda images on his Twitter feed are of children's dismembered bodies, or something and - they're killing children in Gaza, and before he's even had his breakfast too. This is simply too much to bear and he can only sit down sobbing and uttering epithets. Way to go.
But maybe he had overlooked or simply didn't know the history - including, for example:
  • 1. War: That there has been a continuing war on in that part of the Middle East for some years now, and this is just more of the continuation.

  • 2. Scale of War: That the war started after the Jews bought the land, occupied it, and then in 1948/50 the UN declared it as the sovereign state of Israel or something. Ever since then, Israel has been battling to keep itself intact, surrounded by remorseless enemies on all sides.

  • 3. Religious imperative: Though Israel is peaceful, it has enemies committed to destroying it. They mainly belong to an Islamist sect that has a fascinating bible (Koran - containing the actual, absolute and infallible word of Allah) describing the Jews as descendants of apes and pigs - refer Koran, sura (chapter) 5, verse 60 - and whom the members of the sect are ordered that it is their duty to exterminate.
    Why? A good question.
    Answer: It was the Jewish Pharisees who engineered Jesus Christ's crucifixion at the hands of the Romans - via Pontius Pilot (the fifth prefect of the Roman province of Judaea, from AD 26–36, who served under Emperor Tiberius, and is best known for presiding over the trial of Jesus and ordering his crucifixion).

  • 4. Crucifixion: That, when the last true prophet of Allah - Mohammed (pbuh) - came along about 600 years later and looked at the situation, he evidently saw Jesus as a holy man and a true prophet of Allah, and that the Pharisees had thus committed an unforgivable and unspeakable act of blasphemy against Allah.
    If you take the time to study the progressively horrific mistreatment and torture meted out to Jesus (which was well-recorded by witnesses and historians), from the point when he was captured in the Gardens of Gethsemene, including the scourging he was subjected to before and after his trial by Pilot, during the 9/7 stages of the cross, his crucifixion, and his eventual expiration on the cross, you would need to have a heart of stone not to pity him and could perhaps be forgiven if you felt like raging at the hateful and evil people who apparently so very badly wanted this devout proponent of peace and love  to go through that ordeal.

  • 5. Article 15: That, to ensure they retain their jihadist focus, the Palestinian National Charter (1968) has, amongst its 33 Articles, one article - number 15 - which states:
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    The liberation of Palestine, from an Arab viewpoint, is a national (qawmi) duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist and imperialist aggression against the Arab homeland, and aims at the elimination of Zionism in Palestine. Absolute responsibility for this falls upon the Arab nation- peoples and governments-with the Arab people of Palestine in the vanguard. Accordingly, the Arab nation must mobilize all its military, human, moral, and spiritual capabilities to participate actively with the Palestinian people in the liberation of Palestine. It must, particularly, in the phase of the armed Palestinian revolution, offer and furnish the Palestinian people with all possible help, and material and human support, and make available to them the means and opportunities that will enable them to continue to carry out their leading role in the armed revolution, until they liberate their homeland.


  • 6. Dar al-Harb: Islam draws a clear distinction between the world of Islam (Dar al-Islam) and the world of heresy (Dar al-Harb, which is "the rest of the world") - they are antithetical.
    So point 3 and this point 6 are a likely explanation of why in 1941, a prominent Arab representative, the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - Haj Amin el-Husseini - met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world. Haj Amin sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East.
    One draft called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore:
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    “...they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”
    A Mufti is an expert in the Islamic Shari'ah (law) who gives legal judgments called fatwas.
    Haj Amin el-Husseini was/is regarded as having being one of the greatest of modern Islamic leaders.

  • 7. Dissembling: That the Koran forbids dishonesty, but where it is in the pursuit of jihad (holy war) and/or the conversion of Dar Al-Harb to Dar Al-Islam, then dissembling and subterfuge are allowed. This is what is sometimes referred to as "stealth jihad", and it is regarded as being perfectly legitimate, and is also presumably the foundation of the 1991 documented Muslim Brotherhood strategic plan to Islamicise North America:
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    Covering memo and notes written in Arabic script ref. ISE-SW 1B10/0000413 to 427.
    Main document ref. Bate #ISE-SW/1B10/0000427.
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    That part of the legitimate subterfuge by Hamas apparently includes, for example:
    • Launching rocket attacks from within densely populated civilian areas (human shield).
    • Elaborately staged still photo and video shots being submitted to news media (subsequently and rather belatedly revealed by the news media).
    • Hamas representatives posing as hospital "spokesmen" and briefing news reporters on casualties.
    • Hamas representatives using hospitals as a base, even giving news reporters political briefings inside the hospital.
    • Hamas storing weapons/explosives inside UNRWA schools and other civilian areas.
    • Hamas using schools, children and civilians as a protective shield.
    • Hamas using media reporters effectively as a hostage shield, by arbitrarily closing the border exits, thus preventing them from leaving the scene of action and placing them in what they know will be the Israeli's line of retaliatory fire.
    • When Hamas rockets misfire and fall short of target, landing in Palestinian territory, causing Palestinian deaths, Hamas falsely claims it as Israeli rocket fire.
    • Etc.

So, though the foregoing is hardly comprehensive, it does provide some idea of the historical aspects of the continuing conflict, and why it won't go away and why a peaceful solution still seems a remote possibility - an apparently deliberate, insoluble man-made religio-political ideological problem. I don't expect that anyone really understands all sides of this conflict.
Essentially, it rather seems as though Hamas must not make peace, and Israel cannot afford not to defend itself or respond with real force when Hamas deliberately keeps targeting and lobbing rockets into Israeli civilian areas, with the express intention of killing, maiming and terrorising innocent civilians.

As a background to this, there are some rather pertinent statements made by some arguably great men:
  • On The religio-political ideology: The Victorian Prime Minister William Gladstone once brandished the Koran in the House of Commons, announcing with great authority and prescience “so long as there is this book, there will be no peace in the world”. On another occasion, Mr Gladstone referred to the Koran as “this accursed book”.

  • On the right to defend oneself: Per Huffington Post:
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    At the same time, Obama said the U.S. has been "very clear that Israel has the right to defend itself" against an onslaught of rockets being launched indiscriminately by Hamas militants into Israel.
    He later added:
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    "More broadly, the situation in Gaza reminds us, again, that the status quo is unsustainable," Obama said. "The only path to true security is a just and lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians."

  • On forgiveness:
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    Spoken by Jesus Christ, on the cross. It was the first of seven short sentences that are recorded as His last words. He spoke for forgiveness as He was looking down at the Roman soldiers throwing dice for His seamless garment, passing time as they waited for Him to die.

Quite frankly, from observed results/actions, it sometimes seems to me that no-one really gives a damn about the Palestinian children's or other civilians' deaths from this conflict, least of all Hamas and except insofar as it could be useful political ammunition against the Israelis - i.e., they are useful "collateral damage".
Some people (not me you understand) might say that there has to be something very sad about a people whose religio-political ideology allows them to wage a war in such a way as to apparently deliberately put their children and innocent civilians at real risk of death from military action, by using them as pawns in such an abhorrent manner, but I couldn't possibly comment.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2014, 02:04:46 AM »

...It's a powerful image, the tall grey man...
Yes, perhaps it could be a powerful image - if you allowed it that - but it is still just a simple metaphor (a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable - a thing regarded as symbolic of something else), and thus it would seem irrational to enlarge the import of an imagined and intangible thing so far as to use it as a putative explanation for something somehow shaping mankind's perceptions throughout the course of our modern history.

In this thread it was used as a symbol of what can/did happen to the individual during the growing-up process. In the 'did' case at least, it is not symbolic of anything 'imaginary' - but yes, I agree: it's not an "explanation for something somehow shaping mankind's perceptions throughout the course of our modern history".

The writer of the article definitely has an "external locus of control", he doesnt seem to realise that his problems (of being depressed/jaded with life) can only be solved within himself. Otherwise I think his article is a fairly brilliant rant against the dark sides of our society, and a good description/example of disillusionment with ideals. He comes across to me as completely genuine btw.

Re the history bit in your post Iain - and the in-depth sermon on religion:
  • 1) if I know the history, should I then not be personally affected by war and everything it involves?
  • 2) let's see, this will involve a few sub-items:
    • a) off-topic in this depth for this thread
    • b) off-topic for dc (religion and politics - even worse: the two combined)
    • c) are you trying to persuade us, or yourself, about Israel's can-do-no-wrong reputation? (the author doesnt even seem to be picking on Israel, so I'm not really sure why you're posting all this stuff)

(For the record, I am no fan of Hamas.)

See now what I mean about your man's article being brilliant: he even has aspects of my post covered:
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And, maybe most poisonous, maybe most soul-crushing: somebody said something I don’t like that makes me feel frightened and threatened! It’s time to put on my superhero costume and forward unto battle!

Except it doesn’t matter. Because you’re not really changing anybody’s mind. How often does that little skirmish end with anybody changing their mind at all, even a little bit?
- See more at: http://zenarchery.com/201...ted/#sthash.y4fzgYlF.dpuf
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2014, 04:15:09 AM »

From what he says, the author seems to have an external locus of control, which is generally considered to be an unhealthy psychological state as it can erode the individual's ability to accept responsibility for and take control of their own lives.

Which is why MilesAhead's metaphor is so good.

When you're very young, you have zero control.

Add in that when you're very young and try to exert any control, you often get beat/disciplined.

The metaphor works.

The problem grows as you get older. Adults have few excuses for abdicating control and blaming everyone/everything else. (I have a few choice words there, but they border on political.)
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2014, 10:51:50 AM »

@Tomos: Sorry, I did not intend to suggest that your perceptions of growing up were somehow "wrong", it was just that your statement suggesting "the tall grey man" was a powerful image was not substantiated. Well, it wasn't to me, but I could see that if one allowed it to have that power in one's perception, then it would probably seem so - to oneself - and it could even have subconsciously set one's paradigms at an early age.

Why do we need the metaphor of "a tall grey man"? It rather seems to be just more external locus of control.


If we now turn again to the content of the rant at that link:
It seems to be pretty good rhetoric (though I wouldn't call it brilliant, as you do) on a commercial website, and the rhetoric takes a scattergun approach to protesting about various things, including commerce. That could arguably seem to make it hypocritical. As though to prove how awful the world is, he proceeds to make capital out of, and an appeal to agreement and pity by invoking "the killing of children in Gaza". Up to that point, I had been smiling a lot at the rant, but I draw the line at cynical attempts to gain access to my agreement by invoking such things. If he had sung the song of the millions of children killed annually by (say) an avoidable disease, all because Western greenies say they must be, then I would have had some sympathy with what he was talking about:


But our author wasn't singing that song. He wasn't concerned with correcting any real and huge human injustice that is correctable. Malaria is an avoidable disease (QED) that kills upwards of (est.) at least 1.5 million children annually. Some estimates put the total accumulated deaths from Malaria to date at around 3 billion, since the use of DDT was banned/withdrawn by the West.
No, our author was sat on his backside looking at his stupid Twitter feed and mistaking it for reality whilst uttering epithets. As I said "Way to go".
Then he was generating empty, high-minded rhetoric - pontificating and protesting on matters he seemed to be clueless about, safe in his cosy, insular little worldview and demonstrating that he had no apparent understanding or perspective of the history of what seems to be an insoluble problem deliberately created by man and based on a clash of religio-political ideological beliefs.
This isn't an original thought. Some of the commenters to that post made similar points.
I felt a bit like saying what one of the commenters to that post said: "STFUP".

You tell me: Which is the greater human-caused humanitarian problem - Malaria or the Gaza standoff? - and which is immediately open to a solution? The answer should be starkly self-evident.
So why pick on Gaza then? Presumably either because he was being cynically manipulative, or (say) because he succumbed to the phenomenon of the availability heuristic - that is, always assuming he is not just an insular idiot.
 
I would take issue where you refer to my historical notes as giving "a sermon on religion" and the other points where you seem to be suggesting I am for one side or the other or promoting the "Israel can-do-no-wrong reputation". You thereby seem to have entirely missed the points I was trying to make, so I probably didn't do a very good job there. I shall try again.

First off, I think I made only statements of historical facts that are well-documented and independently verifiable. I gave links for references to substantiate some of these. Doing a Google search will bring up numerous information items - e.g., news reports and videos - on recent Israeli-Palestinian confrontations and the use of (say) dissembling as a tactic (e.g., human shield). It would thus be incorrect to call this a "sermon on religion".
I spoke of religio-political ideologies and beliefs, not of religion. The fact that these particular religio-political ideological beliefs might also be religious tenets is neither here nor there. They could, for example, have been part of communism or fascism. In fact the RC church in pre-Reformation times, and the Islamic faith can provide arguably excellent examples of fascism in the history of their structure and operational aspects, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I was laying out the construct of the artificial framework of reference that is incorporated in Islamism to show how Islamists act entirely consistently in accordance with their framework of reference. They have to, if they are devout Muslims, and I would suggest that the majority are, as some branches of it can be relatively very strict - e.g., Taliban, ISIS, Sunni (Wahabism). Generally speaking, anything that Muslims do within the hegemonic Caliphate is approved if not mandated. That's why I wrote that Hamas must not make peace - includes as per Article 15 of the Palestinian National Charter (1968).

I see no evidence that Palestinians or Muslims generally actually (say) wake up in the morning wanting to kill Jews or infidels, but it is their burden that they must, under specific conditions. One could point to similarities here in the wave of death perpetrated across the Middle East by the knights of old - the Christian Crusaders.
Nor do I expect that the Israelis want to risk killing innocent civilians in the act of defending themselves from the Hamas terrorism, but they must - are obliged to - defend themselves (as the POTUS referred to).

This type of situation is a bind that was accurately predicted by Gladstone (QED).

I had a LOL moment with your suggestion that the Israelis had a "can-do-no-wrong reputation". Very droll. I was aware of no such thing until you mentioned it. Quite the contrary, in fact. You could fill a book cataloguing what the Jews did wrong, the Palestinians not so much. It seems to me that history shows that the Jews probably couldn't have done much more that was so wrong or evil - no matter how hard they tried - than what they had already done, 2,000 years ago, and that they have been paying for it ever since.
You could argue that the whole world holds it against them, and that is why the Nazis were allowed to proceed with their genocidal activities undisturbed for so long - I mean, with the best will in the world, you can't readily exterminate 6 million Jews overnight. Like maturing a good cheese, these things take time, even with any improved technology available.
The bed that the Jews/Israelis are lying in today was arguably a bed made by their leaders who took them into exile from their homeland and by their Pharisees' murderous machinations 2,000 years ago.
Some people (not me, you understand) might say that what they are experiencing today is Karma, but I couldn't possibly comment.

But that most famous Jew of all - the one whom the Pharisees had caused to be so horribly tortured and murdered 2,000 years ago, said "Forgive them", and I would presume from the ideology implicit in His recorded teachings that He was talking about the Jews and not just the Roman soldiers He happened to be looking at, at the time.

At some stage, all this religio-political ideologically-fired compulsory hatred and killing has to stop, but it probably won't in my lifetime or until Israel is obliterated from the map, if that comes first.
My view is that cynical bloggers should not be allowed to get away with publishing posts that stand to make capital out of sniping at this eternal, insoluble human-created tragedy, or its innocent victims, or thereby risking potentially further inflaming world opinion in an already dangerously inflamed situation that threatens world peace.
(That is, STFU.)
If they really do wish and intend to make the world a better place, then they can get off their backsides and do something definite and positive about some far greater and readily solvable humanitarian problems - e.g., Malaria, or Z59.5 (QED).
But I'll not be holding my breath.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2014, 10:35:19 AM »

Relevant article in the Telegraph: 'Atrocity porn', and the online campaigners who use dead children to push political points – Telegraph Blogs
Makes some valid points.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 10:38:10 AM »

Not sure if media like the Telegraph should talk about that without any irony.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 11:22:57 AM »

Not sure if media like the Telegraph should talk about that without any irony.

If it bleeds, it leads.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2014, 02:47:53 PM »

^And people seldom change the channel at the commercial break as long as they're pissed off about something they just saw, according to a TV producer I know.

And the sad thing is, he hates playing that game as much as the rest of us.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2014, 05:11:15 PM »

Not sure if media like the Telegraph should talk about that without any irony.
Not sure if media like the Telegraph should talk about that without any irony.
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Oh absolutely. In fact, possibly not so much "irony" as hypocrisy, I would suggest, but that does not necessarily negate per se any valid points that might be made in the article.
I posted the link in here because of its relevance - it seemed to be another, better articulated and more in-depth view and reflection of my statement:
...Up to that point, I had been smiling a lot at the rant, but I draw the line at cynical attempts to gain access to my agreement by invoking such things.
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If one does that in a time of war - i.e., cynically, for commercial purposes, makes capital out of the idea of, or invokes images of dismembered children's bodies - then one is arguably not "brokenhearted" but broken in spirit, because the potential externalities and societal implications are altogether disregarded by the perpetrator.
That would be similar to (say) the externality of waterways being polluted by a carpet manufacturer's effluent (e.g., an environmental "footprint"), with the difference being in the subtlety of the effects on the mostly unseen/intangible environment of human perception and limbic response.
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