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Last post Author Topic: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...  (Read 13033 times)

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2011, 03:59:47 AM »
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They specifically say Adult Content is allowed but might require a warning
If i'm not wrong only child pornography and religious porno provocation is banned in some countries. Google follows USA's laws and so the rules applies as per that. But open tops/nudity is not usually banned on many hosting services, unless there is hardcore stuff. Okay not want to go into porn SEO. :D

About autoblog plugins there are many- wp robot (not free- used on site metroadvice. com) which is very popular from what i see on reviews. Also there are blogger.com autoblog plugins as well. By the way guys don't give backlinks to spammers, Doco is dofollow forum so this will help them for sure. :D

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2011, 08:34:29 AM »
Google better start hiring more people if this guy has found ways to auto blog worse/better than existing tools. Would be interesting to hear their opinion about such advertisement. I guess they don't like tools but accept output.

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2011, 09:31:49 AM »
 :D

By the way if you want to see such tools in action or want to chat with the tool's creator then you should definitely check out warriorforum.com and blackhatworld.com. These two forums are goldmine of SE manipulation.  Oh google already knows about them but can't do anything against them. As i said earlier, googleplex is loaded with bunch of phd noobs. ;)

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2011, 01:40:01 PM »
Yes I am sure Google know all this, some also mention auto blogs in comments on Matt Cutts announcement of new change, but I would like to hear official opinion. Most sites will have Google Ads so perhaps there is an opening for filtering that way. How come sites begging to get demoted are approved for Google Ads? Is that not an effective weapon Google has not used? 3rd party affiliate links they cannot control I guess. But since tool brags about being "Built for Google 2011" they must have an opinion about it. I would expect most of these accessories to web development to have Google references in some way. "Optimized for Google" "Guaranteed to work on Google" etc. Even if they can't do much about it there could be an effect in just showing how concerned and disgusted they are. Avoid some getting the idea that when Google say there is less spam than years ago it is because they have lowered standards, not because amount has decreased. They could avoid conspiracy logic by being more specific in what they approve of.

May be they are overpaid virgins of reality. I read all Google employees got a 10% raise per. January this year. They should be able to fix problems when algorithm fails.

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2011, 01:48:44 AM »
I have exactly opposite opinion, more and more people are moving to online writing and SEO earning so spam was less before 2009. We're seeing more spam after SEO-Boom and SE manipulation.

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2011, 06:15:15 AM »
There are many sites with no heart and soul but I don't think Google regard content based on lousy copywriting, SEO-tools (as a min. their own services) as spam. Apparently autoblogs are not even picked up as spam so your feeling of stats probably differ from Googles.

I don't run in to that many obvious spam blogs or websites. Am more hunted by crappy sites with a bit of original content but that overall are copycats, typically also big fans of ads and affiliate links. They might have read about copywriting but do not have the skills. 10 best ways of.., 5 most popular.., Apple/iphone, gossip sites and so on. Whatever topic is popular, whatever niche is dug up will get loads of useless sites circling around it. But not really what Google is fighting or regard as spam? As not to get lost in definitions I just use crap as a category. Also includes idiotic placement of ads and definitely any type of masking affiliate links. If I see that admin is not ranked much higher than the dude coming with new and improved autoblog setup next month. Intentions are related. This type of noise have increased dramatically, also via easy to use tools and ready to go super themes etc., any idiot can do it, but also a personal preference. Technically category is probably not spam by Googles definition.
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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2011, 07:31:31 AM »
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Apparently autoblogs are not even picked up as spam so your feeling of stats probably differ from Googles.
That is because many such sties run on google adsense or adwords and kicking them is loss of revenue.

10 best linux features that kicks windows type of rants are not about copywriting or something, they're just part of content which is natural in memblogs. Plagiarism is spam, stealing content to earn money(which is more than plagiarism) is also spam, content which is not readable by humans is also spam. But google fails to notice them, not they don't disagree with that opinion of ours. They're just tied with revenue on one side and inability execute on the other side.

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2011, 09:26:27 AM »
If Google fail to deal with autoblogs a group of people should start to research and make papers explaining problem. How much does content fill up in a top 100 result page for chosen keyword. Do 1000 searches. How many of the sites use Google ads and so on. Google ask for help so why wait for Bing or some click hungry high profile dude to do it? There is almost guarantee for headlines.

No, sites with no foundation or intentions other than desire to monetize via effective handling of popular topics, affiliate links, ads seems to be totally accepted in webdev circles. Not spammy at all, not if they are done right. My crap category do not care, noise is noise ;) Autoblogs are not really a standard to go by when evaluating what is spam or not since even the most marketing crazy sites will seem pretty good in comparison.

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2011, 11:05:31 AM »
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If Google fail to deal with autoblogs a group of people should start to research and make papers explaining problem.
Why ? google is paying anyone for such reasearch outside googleplex ? they already have bunch of phd noobs who failed to improve search quality. arent' those papers which failed enough as sign ?
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Autoblogs are not really a standard to go by when evaluating what is spam or not since even the most marketing crazy sites will seem pretty good in comparison.
autoblogs contain plagiarized content, which is no different than spam. spam on writing sites is rehashed content. So exactly why these autoblogs are more after 2009 ? because SEO boom was started after 2009 and autoblogs were marketed like that in this particular year if i remember warriorforum threads. what google think is autoblog is complete fail way of thinking. they let any tom-dick-harry's autoblog pass by and genuine content restricted in search engine. You can't judget google's way thinking based on their search results. Their search engine is broken to be honest.

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2011, 11:16:57 AM »
Well Google does not recognize there is a problem so they should receive help, from outsiders not anyone paid by MS or other interests. Regardless you think they instead of fighting autoblogs are making money with them content is still directly against any advise from Google them self. Content is king etc. So how to wiggle out of that one?


   

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2011, 11:34:44 AM »
I guess you have tried reporting and found out that it's not working to when it comes to reporting spammers. So google don't want to get help from their search users. Only way to work around with this is either use google's flaws against them or continue to do what you can do rank better in SE(ethically).

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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2011, 12:16:08 PM »
I am a tiny person so they politely go BAH! I don't get referenced in matt cutts articles where it make sense to talk specific queries to satisfy who? This is a meeting in the "club" I think. I imagine a group of (qualified) people from a website or a forum doing this. Warrior forum is probably a bad suggestion but there most be several dealing with seo, search engines in a less aggressive way. Some web credentials would be good to have but research could be done by people related to consumer rights as well, these sites are not live to make a mockery of Google ranking but to earn money. Generic presentation of result cannot be ignored but must be above and beyond the typical Google vs. Bing war would be great. I think Google latest findings of Bing copying them is answer to the "scholar" claiming Google promoted own services in results. You check us, we check you - lets rock! They and their fanboys should not get a chance to divert problem in to muddy chitchat. That will happen unless research is almost generic.

If you have not read comments to his post then check them out. There seem to be quite a few who were (are?) tired of seeing their content here and there. Autoblogs are mentioned too.
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Re: Google? Spam? Ads? No... No Conflict of Interest Here...
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2011, 12:36:05 PM »
There are few which matt cutts can't ignore like - seth godin, joel spoolsky and many others. Point is that you can't approach these guys and discuss this problem because the thing is that they hardly listen to the ground and usually communicate with people equal or above them. Another way, is creating meme on where google fails for users and share it with each other by adding their own bits. This way there will be noise (10 things google failed in 2010 type) but i'm sure atleast few things will get noticed.

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« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2011, 02:22:27 PM »
You mean set up autoblogs with content focused on Googles faults? :) With Google ads of course. I lack enough hate towards Google to be able to pull that off. I don't buy the idea Google is in bed with Warrior forum people, as long as they use Google, but will of course not be so stupid as to believe such a huge market share have not made them lazy and too focused on how much money a certain activity bring home. They probably have people hired to work out algorithms for that as well. If they are stupid it is same stupidity preventing Microsoft to innovate, what some say over and over. Why bother or change what works? But hard to understand that sites in full violation of everything they claim to stand for rank high. They are not even up for a few changes but simply deletion from index. Should be embarrassing for them. Critical minds will not think "Well index is not flooded with them, we can live with that, learn to avoid" but "So what else is messed up?"

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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2011, 04:05:01 AM »
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You mean set up autoblogs with content focused on Googles faults?

No. I mean 'meme' blogging. For example, some folks on technorati use such type of blogging and they divert traffic to each others post. One blogger writes on '10 things to do before death' then another blogger reblogs the stuff with his own input and linking to previous article. This type of chain blog posts are called meme blogging. There is more into meme blogging than this but as example for what i want to tell i'm modifying it. If these type of posts takes G's attention then chances are there that they'll pull something out with it.




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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2011, 04:25:53 AM »
Yeah I know what you meant but thought idea of anti-google autoblogs was fun. Spreading the word will also do but may be not that many will find it wise to complain loudly. Does not take much courage to comment on his blog since he kind of started the topic. Most with an interest in this area are partners with Google in one way or another.