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40hz:
Re: free markets

FWIW, they really don't exist.  :(

Many economists would even argue it's doubtful a truly free market has ever existed since every market has been subject to some form of regulation or other non-economic influence throughout human history.

And that applies just as equally to black markets. In some respects, illegal businesses are regulated much more thoroughly (and severely) than their lawful cousins.

Many times, the only thing that separates a legal business activity from an illegal one is the permit that authorizes it. (e.g. In most societies, the use of physical violence is a government monopoly. That's why we have armies and police agencies. When butts need kicking, it's the exclusive perogative of the government to do it.)

Governments, on the other hand, feel no need to debate this topic. They already know there's no 'free' market because they won't allow it.

This is one reason why so much free market thinking breaks down. There are no free markets to apply it to.

Apparently it's not in our nature to let things find their own path or balance.  :)

mahesh2k:
@rssapphire

It's still the duty of consumers in a free market to push the prices as low as possible (which means as close to free as they can get them).
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We're not in free market, we pay for our stuff be it food, medicine and other stuff. Free market doesn't exist in world where we pay for things. Point is about people who dream about free market shouldn't take down paid products or chase them to release it for free.

That's not stealing, that's the way a free market is supposed to work.
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Please read my earlier post again, i said 'stealing' is the only action that separates pirates and Free philosophy people. What common is between these two is both of these types force product creators to release stuff for free because either they are lazy, free-bie sucker or simply don't want to pay for someone's hard work, they have no respect.


If consumers aren't pressing for the lowest price they can get, the market is broken in favor of producers.
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And if consumers are only asking for free things in then there is no marketplace to exist to begin with, it';s just like some random tree with fruits hanging and anyone can come and pluck it type of world. Nobody cares for garden and gardener type of world. Such free thinking from consumers is breaking the marketplace.


And free is a price.
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No. Free is where price is divisible by 0. Which makes it just another concept of infinity where people don't care at all about price of someone's hardwork but more of their own GTD. Value, morals are reduced to 0 when anything is tagged as Free.

rssapphire:
We're not in free market, we pay for our stuff be it food, medicine and other stuff. Free market doesn't exist in world where we pay for things. Point is about people who dream about free market shouldn't take down paid products or chase them to release it for free.
-mahesh2k (January 09, 2011, 12:10 AM)
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A "free market" in economics has nothing to do with "all products being free."

40hz:
We're not in free market, we pay for our stuff be it food, medicine and other stuff. Free market doesn't exist in world where we pay for things. Point is about people who dream about free market shouldn't take down paid products or chase them to release it for free.
-mahesh2k (January 09, 2011, 12:10 AM)
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A "free market" in economics has nothing to do with "all products being free."
-rssapphire (January 09, 2011, 10:34 AM)
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+1!  :Thmbsup:

Deozaan:
I can't believe someone confused the meaning of free in a GNU/Linux thread! ;)

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