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Microsoft's dropped feature is Linux's gain
superboyac:
Who are these pinheads who make such idiotic decisions?
-timns (December 02, 2010, 03:48 PM)
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Ultimately?
This guy.
Any questions? :P
-40hz (December 02, 2010, 04:11 PM)
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Holy crap. That's pretty crazy.
40hz:
But Foundation Server 2008 is awfully cheap with entry level server hardware it's (approx) $600.
-Stoic Joker (December 02, 2010, 03:32 PM)
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Agree. But when you get right down to it, it's little more (more?) than a glorified NAS. (Hello! Can you say Linux?) ;D
You could also run WHS on comparable hardware (especially now that Vail requires 64-bit) and get a whole lot more bang for the buck unless you see a looming need for what active directory can provide. For most small offices, AD is overkill. (And if AD glitches, it won't be something they'll be able to fix for themselves.)
Then there's the issue of needing CALs, which comes as a nasty shock to most first-time business server owners...
40hz:
That's pretty crazy.
-superboyac (December 02, 2010, 04:22 PM)
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Yes. :o
zridling:
Losing such a feature would be rough on Linux boys like me who prefer to keep their own data on one drive and the OS and apps on a separate drive. Upgrade the OS all day, data still intact. I even did that with Windows since the 90s!
Stoic Joker:
But Foundation Server 2008 is awfully cheap with entry level server hardware it's (approx) $600.
-Stoic Joker (December 02, 2010, 03:32 PM)
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Agree. But when you get right down to it, it's little more (more?) than a glorified NAS. (Hello! Can you say Linux?) ;D-40hz (December 02, 2010, 04:29 PM)
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I think you're missing my point regarding the target market. 90% of the SOHO's run either a straight workgroup (no server), or play Russian Roulette with the Working Server configuration. I'm sure you've seen these train wrecks; the boss's workstation is referred to by everyone in the office as the "server" ... and you usually get called there because it went tits up (on a Monday morning). Their "networks" are a kludge of off the shelf media machines and other misc. junk from BestBuy.
For these people (a real server is a complete nightmare/impossibility, but..) to get WHS, is an easy (price-point as you mentioned) upsell. They won't be anywhere near getting a real server until business/staff size increases...or their first catastrophic disk failure.
You could also run WHS on comparable hardware (especially now that Vail requires 64-bit) and get a whole lot more bang for the buck unless you see a looming need for what active directory can provide. For most small offices, AD is overkill. (And if AD glitches, it won't be something they'll be able to fix for themselves.)-40hz (December 02, 2010, 04:29 PM)
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Absolutely, but that's the difference between SOHO and SMB. SMB's have gotten large and complex enough to need the more advanced services like AD, DFS, and a real hardware RAID array. That's where Foundation server shines because you can have a reasonably solid domain controller/file server on minimal (way less money) hardware. As opposed to SBS which must be 64-bit and comes with Exchange which is a world of issues (most folks don't need/can't handle), and therefore requires much more substantial hardware to not completely suck.
On a side note, on a small network, if DNS is configured properly, the chance of AD glitching is extremely close to zero.
Then there's the issue of needing CALs, which comes as a nasty shock to most first-time business server owners...-40hz (December 02, 2010, 04:29 PM)
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That issue has pretty much been killed in Server 2008. If someone forgets to get their extra CALs (they do all come with 5), they'll never know the difference (unless they're audited). The whole license service/install licenses/event logs filling with CAL deficiencies errors crap has been completely removed.
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